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Movie Couple Therapy: ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND 

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How do you handle challenges in your relationships? What role do memories play in our personal growth?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright take a look at Joel and Clementine's relationship in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. They talk about some of the things that went wrong in their relationship, how they could have handled their conflicts and differences better, the desire to hide from our painful memories, and the great filmmaking techniques, especially in the memory sequences. And of course the great performances from Kate Winslet and Jim Carrey.
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@CinemaTherapyShow
@CinemaTherapyShow Год назад
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@researcherchameleon4602
@researcherchameleon4602 Год назад
Please review “Wolfwalkers”
@thisperson9758
@thisperson9758 Год назад
Villain Therapy: Catra?
@researcherchameleon4602
@researcherchameleon4602 Год назад
@@thisperson9758 the one by Netflix, I presume, you may want to elaborate that incase they didn’t know there was a She-Ra reboot, and think that you are talking about the classic 1980s She-Ra
@donagorali5950
@donagorali5950 Год назад
Please review Cinderella (2015). I don't know why people hate it nor do I know why I love it.
@locomadman
@locomadman Год назад
Alan, Jono; challenge time. I implore you; nay, I dare you.. Howard the Duck, let’s go. Frankly, I just wanna see if you can do it; if there’s even enough there in the first place for you to get a decent episode out of it. If anyone can do it, I believe it’s you guys! Otherwise, keep up the fine work gentlemen. ✌🏽
@lindag.9069
@lindag.9069 Год назад
Something I didn't pick up on until I was much older: Joel is incredibly passive aggressive. He's judgemental toward Clementine throughout the memories he ends up erasing, and he continually baits her into reacting by very softly and quietly dropping comments he knows will hurt her deeply (the remark about her not being ready for kids, the jab about her "constantly talking") and then she takes the bait and he walks away while she reacts and, boom, we have a narrative about her being "volatile and reactive." But he constantly needles her. It isn't until they meet post-Lacuna that he's able to just accept her, and I think that's a big part of the significance of the final scene where he shrugs and says "okay." And, for her part, when she heard the jab in the tape (about her sleeping with people to get them to like her) she just quietly removed herself instead of rising to the bait of his hurtful comment. So, yes, growth! But I just wanted to throw that in as well -- it's a big dynamic of their relationship that's very subtle.
@jocelynfisher3174
@jocelynfisher3174 Год назад
Dude you're absolutely right... wow that is such toxic crap on Joel's part
@JS-dv9ji
@JS-dv9ji Год назад
I totally noticed that too!! Was surprised they didn't touch on it, but hey, this is a big film to review.
@MsCristina38
@MsCristina38 Год назад
Don’t agree Linda. I see it as him being honest about how he really feels. If he were my partner I wouldn’t see it as passive aggressive because he’s really open about giving his opinion. If my bf told me you’re not ready to be a mom I’d be like okay, why do you think that? Or I’d say you’re right lol.
@EmilynWood
@EmilynWood Год назад
@@MsCristina38 I see both points in the original comment and in yours--he might or might not consciously be trying to bait her through his comments, he's just trying to be honest. She could have taken a moment to calm herself and ask why he thought that way, what he meant by that, and thought about it more without getting loud and defensive, but also he could have said things in a nicer way too for her sake.
@pmatcha
@pmatcha Год назад
The bluntness of his comments and his general awkwardness make me think he might be on the autism spectrum, as I suspect I am. Like, he didn't pick the most eloquent things to say to Clem and it makes me mad too, but I don't think he had ill intent. "Clem, do you really think you could take care of a kid?" Better phrasing, "I'm worried about how that would work, really worried, and scared. I want to wait. I know you want this though. Please be patient with me." "Constantly talking isn't necessarily communicating." Better phrasing, "Sometimes it feels like we're not having a conversation, and besides, I don't have much to say and I don't even know _what_ to say. That's why I journal.... What do you want to know? Let's ask each other some things now while we're comfy and get to know each other." I don't think Joel is good at anticipating how his words will affect Clementine. I don't think this is on purpose, I think this is just how he is. Also, problems identifying how one feels and socializing are weak points for those on the spectrum. Joel says things to inform. I do this as well. The intent is not to hurt, but to communicate facts. Unintentionally, we offend others in ways we didn't anticipate until it's too late. But like anyone, we're learners, and I fully believe with time Joel and Clem can become better together.
@trinaq
@trinaq Год назад
I love how Clementine's hair colour corresponds with her relationship with Joel in terms of seasons. When they first meet, it's green, the colour of thawing, growth and springtime. It's red during their Summer of Love, their most passionate stage, and orange, an autumnal colour, when things start to "Fall" apart between them. In the present day, when they're broken up, it's blue to illustrate the freezing feelings and emotions, common with Winter.
@KokaKolaMusic
@KokaKolaMusic Год назад
Thaw is warming. Spring is a thaw. Winter is a freeze. Otherwise yes
@hannahpower3609
@hannahpower3609 Год назад
Didn't even catch this! Damn.
@shay7821
@shay7821 Год назад
Thank you! I was thinking this too! I wish they would have talked about it but it’s just one of those beautiful little details that you can discover about this movie. I love that it’s a film that you can spot something new each time.
@emilysragz
@emilysragz Год назад
Yes, this theory was discussed on the channel "The Take" here on RU-vid. I also love how that channel brought up how when they meet up again and Clementine's hair is dyed blue it also has strong roots coming in of what appears to be her natural, warm hair colour. It sort of symbolically shows how she's in a new phase of regrowth and becoming more authentic with herself and others. The whole movie is so good with the writing, visuals, acting, symbolism, etc. The movie is so good at showing how everyone has problems and as they said in this episode how relationship are hard and can be complicated. One thing that didn't get discussed was the stuff going on outside of the relationship between Clementine and Joel (and fair enough, the focus was on this specific couple) how Clementine became vulnerable to another toxic relationship when her memory was wiped. Everything she learned in that relationship with Joel, whether good or bad, was erased which made her almost open to getting pursued by Elijah Wood's character. Luckily her own natural skepticism kept him at arms length and she felt uncomfortable with him so it didn't go very far. Also with Kirsten Dunst's character going through this stuff herself being in love with the Doctor and having her own memory erased against her will, it just shows how complicated relationships can be, that even the people that are "helping" you with your problems have their own set of problems too which can also contribute to further problems. A really deep movie once you delve into the psychology of it. This movie is just so fantastic!
@tiananesbitt7156
@tiananesbitt7156 Год назад
My ALL TIME FAVORITE movie!
@kayleighthomas3233
@kayleighthomas3233 Год назад
A cool little detail is also on the tapes Joel says that Clem wasn’t well-educated and he can’t talk about books with her but in his memories you see her reading a book a couple of times and she works LITERALLY at a book store, which just highlights that he wasn’t really opening him up to talking to her and wasn’t really seeing her past his preconceived version of her
@rubyjulivre1136
@rubyjulivre1136 Год назад
Yeah you're right. I didn't catch on that Joel's behaviour. I was only like "she's being surrounded with books all the time, how could you say that to her?"
@sparrow845
@sparrow845 Год назад
I NEVER saw this until now. It's so true.
@claraestrada5080
@claraestrada5080 9 месяцев назад
@@rubyjulivre1136 to be fair, i know a couple of people who work at bookstores and it is just a job for them. They could be working at a clothing store and it would be the same. one of them is dumb as a brick too and wouldn't pick up a book, except for re-shelving it of course- if his life depended on it xD. love that guy tho. he shines in other areas
@Mel-lb3zo
@Mel-lb3zo 29 дней назад
​@@claraestrada5080this might be a stretch but from working at a store myself, even if you don't like the job, you still have to know roughly about the products and what they are used for like almost the background. So I'm assuming a bookstore will do a similar type of training and you might pick up things as you work. But I'm bias to Clem, of course.
@FATE522
@FATE522 Год назад
This movie always makes me think of the quote: "The truth is, everyone is going to hurt you. You just got to find the ones worth suffering for." -Bob Marley
@mymomcallsmeblake
@mymomcallsmeblake Год назад
“I was the only one who was actively looking for a wife in kindergarten” is a gem
@pmatcha
@pmatcha Год назад
I burst out laughing in a way where I actually related to someone over something extremely specific. I wanted to get married when I was about 5 too, I told my grandmother one night. Here I am nearly 30 watching Cinema Therapy about a movie I've watched over a dozen times still unmarried, but one day. Gotta heal up like Jonathan said at 18:11 and then we get the happy ending.
@anica7438
@anica7438 Год назад
ikr?😂
@TheManoloEpic
@TheManoloEpic Год назад
I really related to that statement and I’m not proud haha
@samanthasowala2412
@samanthasowala2412 Год назад
I'm glad he said that. I always thought I must have been crazy as a child but I guess not. I felt the same way.
@le_th_
@le_th_ Год назад
Isn't that the sweetest sentiment. It's so innocent.
@sarahcoleman5269
@sarahcoleman5269 Год назад
One thing I realized about Joel at the end when he was saying "Wait" was that some people need time to process, they need to process their thoughts, their feelings, and figure out what they want to do. I mean, I feel that myself. When a person like this meets a person like Clemintine who is just "this is what I have, this is who I am right now, it might change, but this is now", somebody who is just speaking every thought all the time, the Processor never gets a chance to process. They have to just keep storing the info the Informer is giving them until stuff just disappears because they never got a chance to process it. This whole movie is about Joel finally processing what Cleminitine said to him for all those years.
@opinionatedbat2959
@opinionatedbat2959 Год назад
This is me and my bf. I’m the talker, he always says he needs time to process and when I give him that time he’s much more able to connect and the intimacy grows.
@lycanthis9963
@lycanthis9963 Год назад
Same thing with info on the internet. While we get it pretty much instantly, we just go with a heat of the moment response without putting careful thought into whatever got posted. Kinda like how Game Theory reacted to FNAF 4 the first time around.
@superfoo8258
@superfoo8258 Год назад
@@lycanthis9963 true
@johnynoway9127
@johnynoway9127 Год назад
the issue is that most people dont want to wait unless absolutelly need to. For me i have a speech impairment so sometimes im not understood so its like "Yea yea" just to keep going instead of actually understanding me I sometimes cant be understood even on 10 times of repeating then even i get tired of it.
@KeitieKalopsia
@KeitieKalopsia Год назад
I picked up on that, too!
@pelinnable
@pelinnable Год назад
I remember Clementine was crying after she erased her memory and couldn't understand why she was upset. Actually, she was experiencing grief, but the real object that she lost was not there anymore. So why she still was in pain? I thought that was a robust idea of how our emotions and brains worked in real.
@galmanferguson
@galmanferguson 10 месяцев назад
She's confused. The feelings are still there, good, bad and everything in between. But the memories are already gone.
@BordrKing
@BordrKing 9 месяцев назад
This very specific trope which has been used in a couple of different media genres ALWAYS wrecks me. The "Huh?.... Why am I crying?..... Why can't I stop?!..." Just breaks me
@Rodrasroom
@Rodrasroom 6 месяцев назад
@@ACloudyDay22ooooo good observation here!
@smoothtruth
@smoothtruth 2 месяца назад
@FeliciaHopkins-hn7uo
@FeliciaHopkins-hn7uo 23 дня назад
It reminds me of PTSD or trauma triggers, too, in that the actual event that happened is no longer happening, but the emotions are still there. They pop up randomly from time to time and you’re left wondering, “Why am I crying like this?”
@dancingwoolf
@dancingwoolf Год назад
The thing to keep in mind about her being so defensive is that is what Joel remembers the clearest, fresh with rage and hurt and pain out of the break up. And then the deeper he goes, he remembers the softer, kinder bits of her. It’s more about his perception of her than of her actual objective character growth…
@dr.florence
@dr.florence Год назад
Love this qualification, thanks!
@gato_comunista3802
@gato_comunista3802 Год назад
I thought the same when I watched it! What we saw first is the "exaggerated" version of her, because that's how memories work. It's not the real her.
@marianawinandy4072
@marianawinandy4072 Год назад
Yeah, we see their (first) relationship in reverse chronological order, that's important!
@smileyface702
@smileyface702 5 месяцев назад
Yeah, I agree. I don't know if they objectively grew or not, but I do like their more hopeful reading of this film.
@kaitlyncramp3100
@kaitlyncramp3100 Год назад
"I was loveable for like the short term but that no one really wanted to spend their life with me" is a very relatable thought pattern for me.
@bekahswanson
@bekahswanson Год назад
Honestly same. I’ve never heard someone articulate it the way Jonathan did. Another reason why I’m so grateful I found Cinema Therapy, because these guys have helped me put things into words I couldn’t have put into words before
@cosa_oscura
@cosa_oscura Год назад
I just wanted to jump in here to say - that’s not a forever feeling (just in case you were feeling that way still). You are lovable for the long-term, everyone is, and someone amazing will see that when the time is right. I hope that’s not patronizing, I mean it earnestly with my whole chest. You, me, everyone - we are lovable long-term. We just have to try to work on ourselves and figure out our own happiness, find our healthiest mental state as best we can so we can be healthy when that lightning strikes.
@rayray80234
@rayray80234 3 месяца назад
I feel that. I've often said, only half-joking, "I'm awesome until you get to know me"
@viktorjaakkola200
@viktorjaakkola200 2 месяца назад
@@rayray80234 Wow ok you are making a good case for trying to get her back...
@trinaq
@trinaq Год назад
I liked the extra addition of Carrie and Rob, Joel's friends. They're clearly going through some relationship problems, and aren't the rosiest couple, but they opt to work through their problems, as opposed to running off to Lacuna to erase their memories of each other.
@unicornL
@unicornL Год назад
They're such a mess. I wanted them to have more of a backstory
@Amantducafe
@Amantducafe Год назад
They are not perfect either. Sadly the couple times we saw them they are arguing
@eurekamreum5458
@eurekamreum5458 Год назад
Well, they weren't technically "working" on their problems, they just argued lol I wish they would've showed them breaking up by the end of the movie, but doing so amicably, so that we could see the contrast between them and Clem/Joel.
@pmatcha
@pmatcha Год назад
"Give it a rest, Rob." "I am building a _birdhouse._ "
@jommysalami227
@jommysalami227 Год назад
Eternal sunshine has my favorite ending of any movie. "Okay 🤷‍♂️" "okay 🙂"
@frumiousalice
@frumiousalice Год назад
this is one of my absolute favorite relationship movies. Clementine turned the whole concept of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl on its head and threw it right in the trash where it belongs, and i positively adore her for it. 💕
@Jenny-vm3yu
@Jenny-vm3yu Год назад
Absolutely, I love how she deconstructs the trope! I think my ex completely missed the point of her character though. He idolised the movie relationship and looked to me to be a manic pixie. Most likely projection. The entire point of Clementine is not to do that though because she is her own unique person. 🧡
@frumiousalice
@frumiousalice Год назад
@@Jenny-vm3yu one of my exes did the exact same thing! 🤦‍♀️
@Jenny-vm3yu
@Jenny-vm3yu Год назад
@@frumiousalice Wow at least two people completely missing the point! 😂 I wish I had seen the movie before we dated, so I could see what was being romanticised.
@Amantducafe
@Amantducafe Год назад
I have to admit this was my first perspective but after watching it years later. I came to understand Clementine was not there to fix Joel or change his life for the better, she was there to share a life with him with its ups and downs sadly both were terrible at sitting down and talking to each other.
@nexus7512
@nexus7512 Год назад
My ex did the same thing except I was his Ramona Flowers 🙄😂
@AliAngelpie
@AliAngelpie Год назад
I remember explaining this movie to my dad and he was shocked by the procedure that erases peoples memories. He believed that we should remember at least some parts of others we were involved with, especially if they were toxic. Otherwise if we come across them in the street one day and can’t remember that they treated us like crap we’ll get back into the toxicity. It’s also nice to have fond memories of those we have loved and lost who we had healthy relationships with because they will always be a source of comfort to us when we need it.
@hannahpower3609
@hannahpower3609 Год назад
You learn so much from bad relationships! That's the only positive. I would never sacrifice that growth.
@Ichneumonxx
@Ichneumonxx Год назад
That's the whole point of the film, to have this discussion.
@Amantducafe
@Amantducafe Год назад
You father is wise, both positive and negative experiences is what shapes us.
@Cdre_Satori
@Cdre_Satori Год назад
Yeah, like if you learned nothing else at least you learn "ok, not THAT" from bad relationships. But also, its the easy way out of pain. sort of erase the spot where the holes after this person is and the mind will fill it in order to not go insane. Our minds constantly process incomplete data by filling in likely patterns so it would look like that most likely. You remember going down the street alone or you remember a ginger cat walking with you.
@littlemissevel3607
@littlemissevel3607 Год назад
In one scene in the waiting room there's an old woman balling, crying her eyes out with a dog collar and bowl. It's heart wrenching. How could you love them soo much you want to get rid of them?!?! 💔 Not something i could ever understand. The more it hurts, the more precious those memories are..
@Howl1998
@Howl1998 Год назад
Apparently Nicolas Cage was supposed to play Joel but was unavailable at the time, but I'm so glad Jim Carrey did this role, really shows that his acting range isn't limited to his animated comedic performances. This, and The Truman show are my favourite performances. He and Kate Winslet were absolutely pheneomenal, great video guys
@cc1k435
@cc1k435 5 месяцев назад
If this movie had been with Cage, I probably wouldn't have seen it. 😂
@mariamalzahem7512
@mariamalzahem7512 2 месяца назад
Wasn't Nick Cage in a semi-similar movie, Family Man I think it was? Only similar-ish because of the could-have-ended-up-together-but-for-alternative-choice type situation...
@smoothtruth
@smoothtruth 2 месяца назад
@desireea6289
@desireea6289 Год назад
Everything Joel went through as his memories were being erased, Clementine went through as well. I would have loved to see those same memories from her perspective. And I like to think she regretted her decision as well and that's why and how they found each other again.
@happybaby8346
@happybaby8346 Год назад
It's implied that she went through a similar experience he did and was drawn to Montauk. Even though she can't remember specific events, just like Joel, just like Mary, there is still an impression left. It's why Joel is comfortable with being alone with her. Why Clementine feels unnerved and anxious when Patrick is giving her gifts Joel gave her. Why Mary still kisses her boss, having no memory of their affair or any of the actual events that made her fall in love with him.
@beeweisberger7957
@beeweisberger7957 Год назад
They should make a movie of her experience
@scottfitzpatrick1939
@scottfitzpatrick1939 6 месяцев назад
That would be awesome if they did the movie again from that perspective.
@Rodrasroom
@Rodrasroom 6 месяцев назад
Call it spotless sunshine of the eternal mind.
@herrroy4963
@herrroy4963 Месяц назад
Totally agree. Would have been very interesting.
@smileytuna
@smileytuna Год назад
29:55 “every relationship requires a high level of tolerance and forgiveness” That’s the good stuff right there
@samiam2088
@samiam2088 Год назад
Honestly, I interpreted Clementines rebuke of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl trope as a key reason how Joel failed in their relationship. He just assigned this woman to give some type of purpose or meaning to his life and she had her own stuff going on and she was incredibly upfront about that, he just slotted her into this role anyway and it wasn't fair. Also, all of Clementine's character arc takes place in his head. Just because he made her a manic pixie dream girl in his head, does not mean that aligns with her real character.
@suzzanamorales7321
@suzzanamorales7321 Год назад
"I was the only person Who was actively looking for a wife in kindergarten" MAN I LAUGHED AND THEN I CRIED
@2degucitas
@2degucitas Год назад
I related way too hard
@pherenike8079
@pherenike8079 Год назад
I wanted to say my father said he was looking for a wife at the nursery, in the hospital. Looks like he is definitely not the only one!
@liriodendronlasianthus
@liriodendronlasianthus 7 месяцев назад
That was me too
@42percenthealth
@42percenthealth Год назад
Huh... interestingly, my wife is the "chatter" in our relationship who tells me everything she's feeling all the time; and I am a more quiet type who only speaks when I feel I have something important to say. This doesn't cause any conflict between us. Sometimes she apologizes for talking so much, and I usually reply "well, the alternative is awkward silence, so go ahead and talk!"
@GoddoDoggo
@GoddoDoggo Год назад
That's because you two accept each other. She is not trying to make you talk more, and you're not trying to make her shut up. You complement each other well, which is great.
@AgFalcon84
@AgFalcon84 Год назад
Yes I feel that, not with my husband, I'm the chattier of the two of us, but with my brother. He likes to talk and I just like to listen.
@fruzsimih7214
@fruzsimih7214 Год назад
There are tons of couples like that, often with the woman being the chattier one. I read somewhere that they are attracted to each other so often because she always has someone to listen to her and he is not required to do much talking....
@Coolleenc
@Coolleenc 4 месяца назад
I wish my partner was like that.. mine is more like Joel. He sees my constant talking as overwhelming and over bearing. 4 years in and he still feels like that at times. He hates how I interrupt him too (I don't do it intentionally. I'm just a fast talker and I get excited) I'd never purposely do it. Seeing these conversations makes me realize my partner is allot like Joel! Our favorite love story/movie has always been eternal sunshine. We both loved the movies years and years before we met. Only to find we are exactly like the two main characters. Flaws and all. And it's not romantic or quirky. It's something that one day will put us in the same shoes.
@vandergrad
@vandergrad Год назад
"When people feel unconditionally loved and safe, they are actually more likely to grow and change." --- Most profound statement ever!!! But yeah, I love this movie so much and I'm thrilled to see you two talk about it.
@MyWatchIsEnded
@MyWatchIsEnded Год назад
Speaking as a man who is extremely identical to Joel I can tell you something for matter fact which is Joel didn't trust anybody and it wasn't fair to Clementine because she trusted him even though most of the time he didn't even meet her needs or even want to understand her fundamentally. He never opened himself up to her because he never opened himself up to anybody and she started to internalize that separation which manifested itself as a negative view of Joel as a boring or uncaring man. As we can see in the conclusion it's the exact opposite of her own perspective. Joel would give up anything for her because he loves her he was just too afraid to let her know that. He wanted her to wait because he wasn't ready to heal and to open up to her and she said, "okay", and since she finally accepted him for who he was he felt he was able to finally accept her for who she was and also replied, "okay". This was extremely cathartic for me my dudes. Thanks for everything.
@Lola-ko4is
@Lola-ko4is 10 месяцев назад
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
@Ichneumonxx
@Ichneumonxx Год назад
I remember watching this film for the first time on a plane because I wanted something soft and easy, and ended up almost crying on a stupid ryanair flight because of how good this film is. All the characters are so well fleshed out, not only Joel and Clementine but the side characters as well. And it all feels so real, and leaves you with so many questions. It's one of my absolute favorites if not the favorite.
@pmatcha
@pmatcha Год назад
I know, I loved the dynamic between Mary and Stan, and the backstory of course with Mierzwiack and her. I really wished Mary gave Stan a real chance, but she needed to heal from her trauma with the doctor. Having her memory erased backfired because she just fell in love again without having healing. Now that she has her tape back and knows what happened, she can heal it all, but it'll take time. As for Patrick, man, love to hate him haha.
@fairoadiary
@fairoadiary Год назад
so funny cuz i watched movie on the plane too
@lisa_wistfulone7957
@lisa_wistfulone7957 Год назад
The manic pixie dream girl discussion is so relevant and Necessary! Movies still push this trope, and young men still look for it. Throughout my teens and 20’s, I took on that expectation and tried to live that role. I was a young undiagnosed Autistic woman. Trying to be the chameleon for the sake of others. A lot of MPDGs are modeled off of our stereotypes- and it rebounds off of how we understand the world in very complex ways…
@mgsanz410
@mgsanz410 Год назад
I am not autistic, but I also had to act as a chameleon so people would not reject me, and I see your point. Projecting on others what we have in our minds may be natural for many people, but it is definitely unfair. Yeah, other people may be unpredictable and crazy, but that's the way they are. If you want authenticity, you need to accept this and stop projecting your mental film on other people
@lisa_wistfulone7957
@lisa_wistfulone7957 Год назад
@@mgsanz410 “… projecting your mental film on other(s)…”. I like how you express that!
@mydogeatspuke
@mydogeatspuke Год назад
I was also not diagnosed, not until my mid 30s. I always felt like an outsider, but I never cared. I never tried to fit in or be what other people wanted me to be. I was always unapologetically myself, without ever realising that was "a thing." I attracted lost and lonely people, in miserable relationships or unsatisfying jobs, people who felt like something was missing in their lives, and who decided I was it. I didn't realise I was being used until many years later after a lot of conversations in therapy. I just didn't understand how people loved me so much when they first met me until they hated me, when I never changed. I was that MPDG for them, that "free spirit" who made them see life in a different way, in a less typical way. I think you've got it the wrong way around, I think is what I'm trying to say. You say that you were undiagnosed and a chameleon, trying to fit in, but that isn't a typical autistic experience. Not knowing why you don't fit in is, and even sometimes a strong need to understand why, but that desperate desire to fit in definitely isn't. And MPDGs don't fit in. That's their appeal. They're so wild and free and different, and it's exciting to the miserable people. So yes, I do think some of it could very well be modelled on an autistic experience (allowing for the fact that it's a spectrum and so no two experiences are ever really the same outside of a few very specific criteria), or maybe it's just that some people are actually like that without any neurodevelopmental issues and are not trying to please anyone and instead just trying to live their own lives for their own sake, but I don't think it's because of what you're trying to shoehorn yourself into with your explanation. You trying to fit in would exclude you as an MPDG. MPDGs don't try to be something they're not to make someone else happy, nor do autistic people. BPD women do, and that's sometimes misdiagnosed as autism, and vice versa. But they're two very different things.
@lisa_wistfulone7957
@lisa_wistfulone7957 Год назад
@@mydogeatspuke I appreciate the time and thought you put into your comment, and sharing your own experience as an undiagnosed autistic person. I am, indeed, autistic, with firm and clear late-diagnosis. I am not BPD. I also am Not a MPDG. My original comment was meant to indicate that I tried to behave like one when I was young, to please guys, based on movie tropes I saw and my impression of real life young women I wished I could be like. I was very playful and artistic, but far too anxious to be a true “free spirit.” I appreciate that your life experience, regarding the “desperate desire to fit in”, is different from mine. I did indeed also have that strong need to understand why I was different, and spent literally decades searching for the answers. But the fluidity and chameleon-like adaptations definitely *can* be part of how an autistic person moves through the world, especially undiagnosed and/or unsupported. As you said, there is a spectrum of autistic experiences, and like all humans, we have a broad variety of personality traits, life experiences, traumas, and coping mechanisms. Excessive adaptability was one of mine. Therapy, with a therapist who is actually autistic herself, has helped me a great deal in this and in many other areas. When you suggest that my experience cannot be autistic, and suggest BPD, it’s quite a leap based on very little knowledge of who I am. I believe it’s important that we try to support each other. Allowing everyone, even other autistic humans, to not have to defend their identities is important to healthy communication, even in an anonymous comment thread like this one. You are you, and I am me. I wish you all the best!
@mydogeatspuke
@mydogeatspuke Год назад
@@lisa_wistfulone7957 I'm not undiagnosed though. I was late diagnosed. Lol. What you said is markedly different from what you are now saying. All I can go on is what someone says. No conclusions were jumped to, and it certainly wasn't personal as like you say, I don't even know you. I never asked you to defend your "identity," but the dramatic language coupled with the passive aggressive tone really doesn't lend itself to your claims. I'm just saying.
@HannaMagdalena
@HannaMagdalena Год назад
Three years ago my Partner of (today) 8 years and I had an "Okay." - "Okay." moment, during an especially hard episode on both our mental health states and therefore ofc also very difficult state of our relationship. But after figuring out what our love is and what we want from the relationship and ourselves, we had an "okay". And it was the greatest okay of my life. Never been as understanding for each other as we are today.
@hannahpower3609
@hannahpower3609 Год назад
That's really great. I'm happy for you!
@HannaMagdalena
@HannaMagdalena Год назад
@@hannahpower3609 thank you so much Hannah :)
@YoshMaster
@YoshMaster Год назад
That’s beautiful! Relief and acceptance is such a powerful motor to move forward ironically (as it could sound like emotions that relates to “stopping”). I could feel the immense relief in that “okay” and I’m glad for you too that you could have such a powerful moment.
@potapotapotapotapotapota
@potapotapotapotapotapota Год назад
Love is not a feeling, it is a choice you make whether someone deserves it or not. For a relationship to work both people need to choose to accept the other person for who they are and not expect them to be any different. That doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement, but rather that improvement comes as a intrinsically motivated result of being accepted rather than being externally motivated by the need to please your partner for fear of them leaving you if you don't change.
@mgsanz410
@mgsanz410 Год назад
I love those Okay moments. Congratulations!
@aubreezily13
@aubreezily13 Год назад
Some movies that I would LOVE to see you do in the future: -When Harry Met Sally -The Truman Show -The Pursuit of Happyness
@trinaq
@trinaq Год назад
Yes, please, I'd love to see takes on all of the above, especially "The Truman Show", and how Truman's isolation is conveyed through the dialogue and visuals.
@ViolaComposer
@ViolaComposer Год назад
Since I love the way that Alan gets all tearful with some movies/ scenes, I would like to see them do Hachi: A Dog's Tale. (Just because I've cried from the first half of the movie)
@ravnos04
@ravnos04 Год назад
I think that doing something about Fatherhood in the Pursuit of Happyness would be great in this day & age.
@aubreezily13
@aubreezily13 Год назад
@@trinaq yes! And the closing sequence is still my favorite movie ending of all time. Such an amazing film... I want to rewatch it now 😂
@aubreezily13
@aubreezily13 Год назад
@@ViolaComposer poor Alan would be in tears the whole time 😭
@Kittykat5kits
@Kittykat5kits Год назад
I love when Alan gets to talk about all the film-making techniques. It’s a real pleasure to see him light up about his passion, plus I invariably learn something new!
@le_th_
@le_th_ Год назад
...and positively nauseating for him to say "it's so much fun to learn how I'm better than all these couples." Let me break this down for you... 1) it's so much fun 2) to lean I'm better than xyz That is how a narcissist thinks....a covert narcissist with a desperate need to believe they are superior to others.
@diegog.8635
@diegog.8635 10 месяцев назад
​@@le_th_ I believe that was a sarcastic comment, though Alan's been a very open, vulnerable person in this show so far, so I believe these snarky remarks are totally deserved
@EmilynWood
@EmilynWood Год назад
As a fellow INFP who is a woman who would get a crush on any guy who showed me the slightest bit of kindness, this gave me hope. It's really hard to make that transition from wanting to be saved by someone else to telling yourself that your needs, likes, dislikes, desires, wounds, matter even without outside validation. For me, all my crushes were unrequited, and that's also really hard. It's easy to believe the lie that you're unable to fill your own void simply because you've been looking to other people your whole life to do it for you. It was a game-changer when I realized there were people in the world who didn't look to other people to meet their needs, and were healthy people emotionally, which meant I could do the same thing too, and in many ways I already was. Still working on myself step by step and have come a long way in the last five years. Love your channel and this was the Perfect movie to add to your list of film commentary videos.
@maeo1612
@maeo1612 Год назад
I relate to this in so many levels! I'm a fellow INFP too and we just tend to idealize the idea of love so hard that we try to make it a reality, and its unhealthy. I'm rather young though, and I've never been in any relationship. I only recently realized that me wanting a relationship is, in some way, me wanting romantic validation. So I'm trying to accept myself more to change that. Cheers for INFPs who feel the same, may we all find love, from ourselves and hopefully when we accomplish that, may we find love from other people, either romantically or platonically.
@EmilynWood
@EmilynWood Год назад
@@maeo1612 This is sweet! I keep remembering and reminding myself it's so much better to be single than to be in an unhealthy relationship/with the wrong person. Also, another thing that helps is investing in my friendships/connecting with people in my life on a deeper level. I definitely have a good friend group! Learning friendship skills is also learning relationship skills in general too.
@RobinKannagi
@RobinKannagi Год назад
INFP-T dude here. Definitely relate. I’m in the baby stages of trying to self-improve, even though it’s been a good 3 years. I felt as if I plateaued and my progress was not showing results. I’ve recently decided to finally reach out for mental help and will be starting in the following month. I would hope that I can finally combat this self-loathing I constantly feel. I have finally come to grips that I’ll never truly be able to maintain a healthy relationship (no matter how much I long for one) with someone if I cannot accept myself. It’s not a requirement, but it is healthier in the long run, I would hope.
@EmilynWood
@EmilynWood Год назад
@@RobinKannagi That's so good you're doing that. I hope and pray you find the right therapist you can connect with who can help you. Recovering from self-loathing is a process, but understanding where it came from, how it started, and getting to the realization of, "Wait a minute, I don't have to hate myself??" is huge. Sometimes it's a process of learning and re-learning, layer by layer, as we let go of past hurts and work toward not letting those hurts define us anymore. There's going to be ups and downs but remind yourself that even when you feel like you're backsliding, you can learn from it and keep moving forward. Like in the movie Meet the Robinsons. I'm working toward getting EMDR therapy, as I've heard it can be especially helpful for mental health breakthroughs and processing past experiences so they don't keep us stuck anymore. For some people, it can be much more helpful than regular talk therapy. If you find that regular talk therapy doesn't help you, I definitely recommend looking into EMDR as I know several people who swear by it and say it's really helped them. Also if you don't journal yet, journaling can be helpful for getting everything out--I have to be careful to not merely ruminate on a problem but journal in a productive way, in terms of brainstorming possible helpful solutions. You're a valuable human being and I wish you all the best, fellow INFP.
@RobinKannagi
@RobinKannagi Год назад
@@EmilynWood I appreciate the advice and will definitely consider my options after a few months of trying out therapy. On terms of journaling, I’ve kept a journal, though I did end up recycling back to the problem, and finding myself writing about the same things in a constant loop, instead of journaling things to fix the situation bit by bit. That and when I was consistent, it helped for a good few months. I will see about picking it up again, now with a fresher perspective on what exactly I should do with a journal as opposed to write in it arbitrarily.
@zuzanamatisova112
@zuzanamatisova112 Год назад
Am I the only one who finds it so sweet how Jonathan is being so vulnerable, talking about his trauma without fear? Pure bravery to me!!
@Schmidteren
@Schmidteren 11 месяцев назад
24:45 he does EXACTLY the sad puppy eyes she complained about. I love this film.
@mailanibalentine2543
@mailanibalentine2543 Год назад
I love the way the memory loss is portrayed, it’s lovely, and disturbing… which is why it’s so LOVELY!
@emilysragz
@emilysragz Год назад
Good point. I think memory loss can come with being in a highly stressful environment whether a romantic relationship, family or other situations where your life can be turned upside down. We block a lot of memories if they're painful, or hard to understand and to be fair our brains can only remember and store a limited number of things in a day anyway. Some people remember trauma vividly, and some block it out. I think blocking trauma is our brain's way of protecting us from constant pain, it's why remembering things in therapy and reliving stuff is so hard to do for some people and why people just quit therapy so easily sometimes. It also brings up interesting notions about memory loss, specifically about being in a stressful relationship. If you had a chance to forget a particularly difficult relationship would you do it to reduce your emotional turmoil or would you learn to live with everything that happened if you were able to recall the good times you had and what you learned in the bad times to reach personal growth?
@uncertain_zee
@uncertain_zee Год назад
I like that you guys touched on how "you will never get all of your needs met from one single person" because i think this movie shows codependency pretty well - including the fact that they wanted to erase each other from their memories. It's hard to move on from that kind of relationship, and sometimes you want to just erase everything to be able to move on. I would never actually, because I've grown so much from my messy relationship, but i completely understand the urge.
@GentrifiedPotato
@GentrifiedPotato Год назад
I remember watching this with my father when it came out on DVD and he said something I'll always remember: the person Joel was at the beginning of the movie wouldn't have gone after Clementine, and the person Clementine was at the beginning of the film wouldn't have come back.
@samanthadrakos
@samanthadrakos Год назад
I watched this movie countless times and I NEVER noticed the pole that disappeared when Jim Carrey grabbed it. Jeepers...
@HannaMagdalena
@HannaMagdalena Год назад
YES YES YES I'VE BEEN WAAAAITING FOR THIS. Clementine and Summer from 500 days of summer are the anti manic pixie dream girls in the disguise of mpdgirls.
@hannahpower3609
@hannahpower3609 Год назад
I feel like there have been a ton of "anti" mpdg movies now... with varying levels of success. Ruby Sparks was an interesting one!
@HannaMagdalena
@HannaMagdalena Год назад
@@hannahpower3609 Gotta look into that one! :)
@GoddoDoggo
@GoddoDoggo Год назад
People seem to hold Ramona Flowers from Scott Pilgrim vs. The World up as the quintessential Manic Pixie Dream Girl because of her whole "cool girl" look and vibe, but within the actual film (and comics!) she's basically an anti-MPDG as well. She was the MPDG for all of her Evil Exes, and she doesn't want to be that anymore. She admits she's not a good person, she treats people poorly, and she rejects Scott when he yet again just sees her as the "cool and interesting girl" who is going to make his life better. Scott has to discover his self-respect and respect for others on his own, and that's the only way he can save the day. He loses when he tries to fight for Ramona, and he only wins when he fights for _himself._ At the end of the film, he doesn't start a relationship with Ramona as a boring guy who needs her to make his life better, they start a real relationship as two flawed people who go off on a journey of self-discovery together. Of course, this is all contained with a bunch of wacky cartoon fights, Edgar Wright comedy writing, and rad music, so the core message seems to have been lost on most people.
@MsMeGUka
@MsMeGUka Год назад
@@hannahpower3609 yeah ruby sparks is quite underrated
@Overseer2579
@Overseer2579 4 месяца назад
Sam from The Perks of Being a Wallflower is another great anti-MPDG
@hannahw90hw
@hannahw90hw Год назад
My view on Joel's "okay." is that even knowing it might lead to chaos and not work out... He still thinks it's worth it, to be with her and see where it goes. And I absolutely love that about this film. If they knew how it would end... They would still think it was worth it for the journey they get to share together
@jliller
@jliller Год назад
That's a leap I can't make. If I knew a relationship was unlikely to work, especially if I could see why it shouldn't work, I couldn't enjoy it. "This isn't a good idea" would always be nagging at me even if the relationship was seemingly healthy and otherwise happy in the present. Ever since I became old enough to want a relationship, I have only ever wanted a serious, lifelong relationship. Anything casual or that I know is temporary has always been unappealing.
@hannahw90hw
@hannahw90hw Год назад
@@jliller I guess that's the interesting thing about love. When you're on the other side, after it broke your heart, you sometimes still know that if you could change it, you wouldn't
@cmm5542
@cmm5542 Год назад
@@jliller I agree with you to a large extent. I'm okay with risking a relationship that might not work out and take a chance - because it also MIGHT just as possibly work out! But I would NEVER pursue a relationship already expecting it to be temporary for good reasons other than normal human life uncertainty. My first real crush -at fifteen - was on an slightly older co-worker at my after-school job (he was eighteen). I enjoyed my crush, but I KNEW we weren't meant to be. I loved his personality but we had different values: a long-term relationship could only have worked if one of us had changed, and obviously neither of us had the right to demand that of the other. So I never pursued it. I was so young, but I was able to say to myself 'okay, now you know what kind of personality attracts you. One day, you'll meet a guy with the same or better personality who shares your values too, and HE'LL be the right one.' I don't agree with the people who think you ACTUALLY have to get in a relationship you know won't last in order to learn from someone about what you value in a relationship, or to care about them as a person even though they're not for you. I think temporary relationships are a complete waste of time. (Obviously it's completely different if you get into a relationship having every reason to think it will be permanent and then something happens to break it up. That's nobody's fault and couldn't have been prevented; just one of life's tragedies. Which can still be LEARNED from, but shouldn't be marketed as necessary life experience.)
@user-uv3hc7zb6u
@user-uv3hc7zb6u 9 месяцев назад
09:11 - The crucial thing about Clementine's : I really want to have a baby- is that she said that To Joel. It's Joel whom she really likes. So actually she says- Joel I love you so much that I want to have a baby with you. It doesn't particularly mean she actually wants to be a mother NOW. But those are her huge feelings for Joel that she has and wants him to know. So the best way would be just accept her feelings and say something like, I love you Clem, it's wonderful. And probably fantasize about child's name or what it would be to have it with her. This wouldn't mean that you right away would have an actual baby. But this would mean for her that you appreciate her feelings and accept them. Not everything woman says needs to be rationalized, you know))
@TheHouseOffice
@TheHouseOffice 8 месяцев назад
Spot on
@enmunap
@enmunap 4 месяца назад
Fuck you're right and I'm horrified that I didn't notice earlier 😭😭😭 I'm guessing I saw some of myself in Joel and became completely invested and forgot to actually listen just as he did.
@EnnvYluv
@EnnvYluv Год назад
A question I have always pondered in this movie is that if we were able to remove painful and traumatic memories, wouldn’t the triggers and trauma still exist? And in that case how scary and confusing would it be not to know where those feelings come from? Or how to process?
@pmatcha
@pmatcha Год назад
YES. I had an abusive and neglectful childhood, and I cannot remember the sexual abuse, but I remember a childhood dream which as an adult I can decipher the meaning of which indicates I was violated. I had sex with a partner high on marijuana and began to remember something and began to panic. I'm triggered by lots of things and have always been phobic of people. Most of childhood I don't remember. I got another memory "clip" recovered when I was on shrooms one time. What happens when a child is dependent on an abusive caregiver is that the brain creates amnesia barriers for protection. Sometimes in serious cases, dissociative identity disorder develops, with each "self" splintered off to serve a purpose for different tough situations and even to hold a traumatic memory. I believe I have this as well. A good book about a woman with DID is "Nobody Nowhere" by the late Donna Williams, who also has a RU-vid channel, though she's called herself Polly Samuel since writing her books. She is also on the autism spectrum.
@happybaby8346
@happybaby8346 Год назад
That's what this movie is saying. It's implied that Clementine went through a similar experience Joel did and was drawn to Montauk. Even though she can't remember specific events, just like Joel, just like Mary, there is still an impression left. Joel is comfortable with being alone with her, a complete stranger. Clementine feels unnerved and anxious when Patrick is regifting her gifts Joel gave her. Mary still kisses her boss, having no memory of their affair or any of the actual events that made her fall in love with him. Kind of like how in the beginning of the movie, his car has a dent in it. Erasing that memory doesn't change the fact that Clementine crashed his car when she was angry and put a dent in it.
@sabinamcdaniel7412
@sabinamcdaniel7412 Год назад
@@happybaby8346 Great point about the symbolism of the car!
@Der.Geschichtenerzahler
@Der.Geschichtenerzahler 10 дней назад
The ironic part is that by erasing their pain they ended up not learning anything with that, what promotes the risk of going through the same mistakes. We gotta learn from suffering and errors, not run away from them.
@lalazooms23
@lalazooms23 Год назад
This is one of those movies that gets harder to watch the older you get. I was 16 the first time I saw this movie. I liked it but I couldn’t understand it to the full extent cause I had never experienced love like that yet. And now almost 20 years later…I get it. This film has and will continue to always stick with me cause it’s a reminder that love comes with pain. But to always have an appreciation for the start of things with someone cause there was a time when you did love one another.
@gesudinazaret9259
@gesudinazaret9259 Год назад
Yea this movie usually makes me feel like having another relationship is worth it even after all the awful breakups
@lucystephanieproperties
@lucystephanieproperties Год назад
Yes insecurity is a relationship killer everywhere, not just for couples. Love this movie and again good insights!
@annastevens1526
@annastevens1526 Год назад
Really good point! In my painful personal experience, friends or relatives who are really insecure can often be pretty self-centred, weirdly...? Their expectations about what entails "real" friendship or love are often very unrealistic & extreme, and if you can't meet those expectations, they jump straight to "you don't care"? 😔 (Rather than having any empathy about potential reasons why what they demand is impossible). They often seem to have learned emotional blackmail/guilt-tripping as a coping strategy too (presumably from the same parents/caregivers who damaged their self esteem), so trying to negotiate for a continued relationship on more balanced grounds can be pretty fraught too....? Sometimes it just doesn't work & all you can do is grieve the broken link.
@jimplaysbadly3881
@jimplaysbadly3881 Год назад
My ex-wife showed me this and "As Good As It Gets" when we started dating, but I only understood why with the benefit of hindsight. I wish this had been a thing way back then, but maybe it'll help some other couples understand each other. You're doing the Lord's work, fellas; keep it up. Also, y'all should do "As Good As It Gets" for an episode; there's a lot of therapy-meat on them bones.
@kaimai9735
@kaimai9735 Год назад
OMG I'M SO HAPPY THEY FINALLY DID THIS MOVIE😭 this is one of my favorite movies of all time. The relationship between Joel and Clementine and the progress they both went through as well as the memories you see just 🤧🤧 Also I would LOVE to see them watch Everything Everywhere All at once. That movie is added to one of my favorites and gives me the same kinda feel as this one
@trinaq
@trinaq Год назад
Preach, I liked that they made it ambiguous as to whether Joel and Clementine gave their relationship another shot, while acknowledging how it could also end badly. But they seem willing to own up to their mistakes this time, and try again.
@kaimai9735
@kaimai9735 Год назад
@@trinaq exactly its the ambiguity of the ending that feels so satisfying. Maybe they try and works out, maybe it doesn't. But that what makes this movie so beautiful. Had they gave us the outcome of their final choices, it would've dulled the impact of how they got there as an audience
@ladyreverie7027
@ladyreverie7027 Год назад
Oh they made a video about Everything Everywhere All At Once! You should watch it!
@kaimai9735
@kaimai9735 Год назад
@@ladyreverie7027 omg yes i watched it😆😆 so happy they did
@NLAnna
@NLAnna Год назад
My fiancé and I (if I can even still call him that) are really struggling in our relationship right now and I sent this to him, to hopefully make him see that couples go through really difficult patches but they can make it through and find their way back to each other. I just hope we can do it without erasing each other from our memories.
@Amantducafe
@Amantducafe Год назад
Follow the advise our youtube parents just shared "sit down and talk about it... in the appartment not in the street"
@Joannachin
@Joannachin Год назад
Hope you guys recover from it
@charallave1000
@charallave1000 Год назад
I was in a rough spot with my partner and we watched this film. I really cried like a baby, and realized how wrong were my expectations of relationships. It's truly a beautiful film.
@SithCelia
@SithCelia Год назад
Eternal Sunshine is why I love indie films over standard Hollywood crap nowadays. It's such a beautiful and intimate glimpse into the relationship of these two, topped off by an interesting vibe reminiscent of social science fiction. It's far more captivating as a character study into romantic love. It's probably one of Jim Carrey's best films. I couldn't think of any other 2 amazing actors to bring this great flick to life.
@NinjaPirateRabbit23
@NinjaPirateRabbit23 Год назад
I would love to see them cover Her (2013). Really want to see what they can say about Joaquin Phoenix falling in love with an IA.
@elizabethwilson6311
@elizabethwilson6311 Год назад
One of my favorite movies!! My biggest take away from it has always been, "it's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all" some relationships can be painful, but every one of them is an opportunity for growth.
@barbarabrown7974
@barbarabrown7974 9 месяцев назад
I love this film. Even after their memories have been erased, they still look for each other.
@wezul
@wezul Год назад
I'm the talkative one in the relationship, my husband is largely silent. My mom has given me grief for answering questions directed at my husband, but she doesn't know him like I do. I can tell when he doesn't want to answer her question, and I'm redirecting her unwanted attention back on me. Which my husband is always thankful for.
@kohakuaiko
@kohakuaiko Год назад
It's funny, I used to do that for my little brother. My mother would always get mad at me for it but he absolutely did not want her attention.
@chaosswa-ee-ty5911
@chaosswa-ee-ty5911 Год назад
I think it's okay as long as she is protecting or defending your interest in someway. Sometimes others who love you differently are seeing and investigating things for you. If he is just uncomfortable and not being abused in some way, it's necessary sometimes to communicate through that. And you may be protecting him from the growth that you and your family may provide. Sometimes not though. Lol
@cocoidiea8643
@cocoidiea8643 Год назад
My favourite moment with my husband was when he accurately identified how I was feeling. Growing up, I was always told "this is how you feel" and it was always wrong. But my partner knows me like my family never has.
@blackeneddove
@blackeneddove Месяц назад
This comment says a lot to me. Thank you.
@the_UF365
@the_UF365 Год назад
Your opening monologue is great, I just can't always agree with that. Narcissists will use your unconditional love as a tool to never grow or change and keep you devoted to them. Different identity disorders need different love styles.
@pmatcha
@pmatcha Год назад
True. What is the unintended gift from the narcissist is actually the gift from ourselves, the gift of exceptional growth and wisdom after we leave them. I was raised by one, so I have more healing to go, but thankful for the ways it's deepened my soul.
@TokyoBlue587
@TokyoBlue587 10 месяцев назад
The only thing to do with a narcissist is leave them. They will never love you back.
@joyhaave6151
@joyhaave6151 Год назад
Fascinating to consider how lovers gravitated back towards each other after memories were erased. Kirsten Dunst's character understood that it was best not to interfere with the inevitable pull.
@CRFSUIGENERIS
@CRFSUIGENERIS Год назад
You are so right about the “inevitable pull”. I’ve thought and felt the same thing myself :)
@Bandgazebo
@Bandgazebo Год назад
We need a whole video about how comedic actors make incredible dramatic actors! Jim Carrey, Steve Carrell, Lily Tomlin, Robin Williams...and on and on
@butterkeks7699
@butterkeks7699 Год назад
I can relate way too much to "I get bored of you and then I feel trapped, because that's what happens to me". Overall the couple reminds me of me and my boyfriend a little bit.
@jcace13
@jcace13 Год назад
So, as someone who also falls in love with every woman who shows me the slightest kindness this starting conversation has punched me in the gut and we’re not even five minutes in, that’s a new record.
@shlatekkin
@shlatekkin Год назад
I've watched this movie 100 times and I JUST noticed when they are listening to Joel's tape, the soundtrack is playing "oh my darling clementine"
@kateworkman921
@kateworkman921 Год назад
The thing I loved most about this movie is the theme of your heart remembering who you love, even if your mind doesn't.
@sireeniddir1972
@sireeniddir1972 Год назад
Can I just say... the subtitles are exquisite, like there's punctuation, and the little dashes that make it seem like you're reading a play. Thank you.
@masonjenks7636
@masonjenks7636 Год назад
I love this too. Jim Carrey can do drama extremely well and Kate Winslet is a great actress. I want to watch this masterpiece again now
@adayae1999
@adayae1999 Год назад
I really think that if your videos were translated into more languages, it would help so many more people. More people really deserve to know this amazing channel
@Amantducafe
@Amantducafe Год назад
Yes, however i doubt another language can capture the magical brotherly love these two man have for each other, specially the puns.
@Taleneki
@Taleneki Год назад
3:40-4:48 I can identify with everything Jonathan is saying here. That is the exact journey I am on right now. Having been alone all of my life at age 28, it is hard to gain that self love as I have watched everyone around me fall in and out of love more than once and sometimes it seems I'm destined to remain alone. But I'll keep working on it by myself and hopefully soon with the help of a therapist as well (currently looking for one).
@ladyredl3210
@ladyredl3210 Год назад
Hi! I'm 33, and I just ended an engagement of 5 years. I'm feeling the same way, that I'm too old to date and everyone is chosen. But it's not true and I'm still trying.
@Taleneki
@Taleneki Год назад
@@ladyredl3210 Hey, that must have been a tough decision to make. More power to you for doing what is right for you. Yes, it does feel that way at times, but it really isn't true, my rational brain half knows that (just gotta convince the other one haha). Keep trying, I'm certain we'll both find love!
@Amantducafe
@Amantducafe Год назад
Good luck in that journey. I learned to love myself in my loneliness many years ago the problem was that i was not aware of the people around me rooting for me and extending their hands to help/support me (I just needed to extend it back to them). Being alone, from what i've learned, is a conscious choice and all you need is to do is to allow yourself to be with others, invest time, share experiences, create new experiences and most importantly build bridges.
@ladyredl3210
@ladyredl3210 Год назад
@@Taleneki good luck fellow human!
@be-art-iful1215
@be-art-iful1215 Год назад
I took way longer to learn to love myself. I am 48, been married 27 years, but now I am understanding that we are not a fit for each other. 😒 So hard, though, to just walk away.
@justmizj853
@justmizj853 4 месяца назад
This was my husband and my movie about our relationship. In the first 6 years, pure trauma, toxicity, passive aggression, irresponsible mess until we finally began to listen
@filmtoppings
@filmtoppings Год назад
Charlie Kaufman's one of the most brilliant writers of our time. Glad his work has really resonated with the wider audiences
@Fliegenpilzkonsument
@Fliegenpilzkonsument Год назад
Since you're also covering series now with Arcane, please talk about Avatar: The Last Airbender sometime. Particularly about Zuko.
@julianbroughton
@julianbroughton Год назад
And Azula
@lofihour2506
@lofihour2506 Год назад
This movie gives off a feeling that I never experienced before,like a sense of nostalgia,I can’t even explain it.I don’t know if it’s the location,the characters or how it’s shot etc etc..all I know is that I love this movie
@Dmobley9901
@Dmobley9901 Год назад
Honestly, something that has really resonated with me over the past month is that idea of "You can't get all your social needs from just one person." In my case, it's not because that person doesn't exist, because she does, and I love her madly, and I recognize I'm extremely lucky to have found someone that I really can click with in every way to some degree- But to sort of open up a bit about my situation, in case anyone else can learn from it or empathize, I'm in a long distance relationship with a wonderful person, and have been for almost 2 years now, and we've finally gotten to a point where we're ready to move in together to close that physical distance, but something happened on her end to where I can't talk to her until I can reach her (not to get too into it but she has a toxic family that she's also trying to get out of), so for close to a month, and soon to be over it, we've had no contact, I can't speak to what she's going through because I know it must be much worse than what I am, but it made me realize, I HAVE depended on her for basically all my interpersonal needs, and she's depended on me, and it's opened my eyes to the fact that, one way or another, while this will (hopefully) be temporary, there WILL be a day, hopefully far into the future but I know we can't really control, where more than likely, one of us will pass away, and the other will have to live with that, and I honestly hope that I'm the one who grieves because I don't wish that on her, so I've come to realize, friendship is very important, as is having a wide variety of good people around you that you can build healthy relationships with, because no one lives forever, no matter how much we want them to, and that's why it's important to have as good of relationships as you can possibly develop, so that when the storm comes, even in the worst case scenario, you won't go down with the ship alone. I'm very grateful for this channel and this community, and even if this is just me talking to myself, that's okay, but if there's someone out there listening, that's even better, and I hope you have a good life with good people, and that you can develop a practice to be grateful for that, and that if you're not, you can build yourself to a situation where you can start, and know that, even if you may not be fortunate in this moment to have someone right next to you, you can still love yourself, and find people who love you too, we're all out here, and we're all human, you just may need to take a few leaps to find us. Have a good day. 👍
@Staylicht
@Staylicht Год назад
One half of my family reach out to others, are hurt, and try again while supporting each other. The other half try once or twice, keep to themselves, and are faced with near immediate disaster when one of the very few people they interact with, pass on or move on. I try to find a balance, but I feel you. It's hard to remember to keep up with friends, once in a relationship with a great match. A wise friend I've known for ages always reminded me of this; it's great to be excited about new friends and crushes, but don't make that person your whole world and forget the others. I hope she'll be okay, and can get out of that. I hope living together will work out fine, and that you'll give each other time and space to adjust. Best of luck!
@aFadaMadrinha
@aFadaMadrinha Год назад
Hey there, I've also been in a long distance relationship for 1,5 years before my partner moved in with me. We used to skype almost daily and the first and last thing of our days was sending each other a "good morning" and "good night" message. So, here's the thing: I felt so good to finally be around each other more and I for example was sooo excited when he came home from work and wanted to talk and to do stuff with him like play a game or watch a movie while he still needed to recover from work... felt a bit like a rejection for me until we talked about it. Also, there'll be so many things that get more "normal" when you see each other every day and I think it's good to focus on a few dear habits that you don't want to lose over time. Finally: yes, you'll need other friends to spend time with and even more importantly she'll also have to make friends once she moves over. It's cool to have a big circle of common friends, but you also need to give her room to find her own allies. Neither of you should depend on the other. My two cents after living together for 5 years now 😀
@sopirina
@sopirina 28 дней назад
​@@aFadaMadrinhahey! i want to know, how did you know the long distance relationship was working for u? im in one but i'm pretty young (19) and i'm scared i might be giving my youth for someone who i have to wait years to see
@aFadaMadrinha
@aFadaMadrinha 28 дней назад
@@sopirina Hm, I guess it was easier for me because I was 28 when I met my boyfriend and I had been in enough relationships to know what I wanted and what I couldn't stand. My partner is my best friend and we clicked from the beginning. We skipped the small talk. We shared our lives over the long dinstance, we supported each other as good as possible. We laughed together, we watched movies over skype and discord, we basically had a normal relationship without the physical stuff and without the extra discussions that come with sharing an appartment ;) I'm not sure what you mean by giving your youth. Do you feel like you're missing out on something? Do you not feel fulfilled by this kind of relationship? I'm sure it's harder for people whose love language is physical touch for example... BF and I agreed on having an open relationship from the beginning on. It never meant we actively went on dates or looked for oportunities. It just meant in case you meet someone interesting, go for it. Because we were so sure we both found the right partner, that nothing could get between us. But neither open nor long distance relationships are for everyone. We felt good "around" each other. We talked a lot. We visited each other at least every other month. We were ok with the same terms and conditions. My BF was 20 when we met, I was 28. Our 8th anniversary is in a couple of days. We simply both felt (and feel) we had met the right person and it was worth it. Feel free to PM me, if you have any further questions. How old is your partner? Why will you have to wait years before meeting them? How much of a distance are we talking about?
@natsmith303
@natsmith303 Год назад
I think of this movie as a sort of Rorschach test for how one views romantic relationships. To the more optimistic, Clementine and Joel need to not just forget about their problems so they can grow together. To the pessimistic, they need to not forget so they can stay the heck away from each other.
@Sivart343
@Sivart343 Год назад
It is funny how my thoughts have changed as I have aged on that spectrum.
@carriebluer954
@carriebluer954 Год назад
One of my favourite films! I think Clementine isn't the "manic pixie dream girl " trope for many reasons but mainly she has a character beyond "quirky " it's interesting how many times I've watched that film and always interpreted the end as they don't get back together and the loop at the end is bittersweet.
@okthen623
@okthen623 Год назад
It's crazy to see Jim Carrey in a more serious role, he doesn't even seem like the same actor. He doesn't often get the opportunity to showcase his range but wow is it amazing when he does!
@tyghe_bright
@tyghe_bright Год назад
The ending of this movie makes me SO happy. I was surprised to find that a lot of people find it depressing. That they are "doomed" to repeat a cycle. To me, it's clear that they're going into the relationship with a little more realistic expectations and acceptance that it may or may not work...they just want to experience it for what it will be.
@sennnia
@sennnia Год назад
I've always wondered what Clem confronted when her memories of Joel were being erased. I assume she fought just as hard to keep those memories of him (I assume everyone did, like the woman who wanted to forget her dog who died), but I wonder what her projection of him would have told her. How would those conversations play out in her mind that allowed her subconscious growth?
@paradisecity0406able
@paradisecity0406able Год назад
I definitely needed this, since I'm going through a hard break up myself. Thanks John and Alan for the wonderful content as always.
@trinaq
@trinaq Год назад
My condolences, that must be extremely hard, but I hope that you manage to get through these tough times, while remembering the positive and negative times fondly. ❤️
@momochanjones7302
@momochanjones7302 Год назад
*hugs*
@Amantducafe
@Amantducafe Год назад
You have the right to suffer and grief the loss,
@say.yes.
@say.yes. 14 дней назад
You got this❤
@mcfloatmcfly575
@mcfloatmcfly575 Год назад
Ohhh, wish you could also do The Before Trilogy 😊
@korganrocks3995
@korganrocks3995 Год назад
I second that suggestion! I remember seeing the first one and being amazed at how much more compelling a movie romance could be without all the overdone tropes and distractions of most romantic movies. Just two strangers getting to know eachother and feeling the spark... and ofc the sequels explore other aspects of relationships in a great way!
@marianawinandy4072
@marianawinandy4072 Год назад
I love it! 'Before Sunset' is my favorite. I once watched it twice in a row. There is so much between the lines, in their expressions, in what they talk (or lie) about... and I guess the idealization of 'the one that got away' is something most people can relate to.
@sarasundmadsen
@sarasundmadsen Год назад
4:18 Jonathan talking about the need for acceptance made me tear up, because that's my life right now..
@damedeviant1388
@damedeviant1388 Год назад
Yes! I adore this film. Thank you for covering it. It’s wonderful to explore the idea of erasing unwanted memories - as painful as they may be, they are our foundation and a source of growth 💙
@trinaq
@trinaq Год назад
Precisely, even though it might be difficult to reminisce on an old relationship, it's worth remembering as opposed to forgetting that it ever happened.
@locomadman
@locomadman Год назад
…And quite frankly it’d be doomed to miserable failure if you could even try… Yup. It’s funny; with modern science & pharmacology, we as humans do currently possess the chemicals & technology to make ourselves feel any way we desire at any time we so choose… …Yet we still lack the responsibility to acknowledge & allow ourselves to feel how we should (as opposed to how we want). It’s impossible to reconcile that choosing to not help yourself, because it’s more important to take the bad with the good, isn’t selling yourself out… Yet just because you can take someone’s pain away, even your own, it doesn’t mean you automatically should.
@oreonighthawk
@oreonighthawk Год назад
Would LOVE if you guys did a Family Therapy episode about Little Miss Sunshine. Hilarious movie with really interesting family dynamics across 3 generations. Such a great movie.
@EveryFairyDies
@EveryFairyDies Год назад
I am Johno. My parents have been married for over 50 years (to each other), and I always wanted that. However I had one relationship, got dumped for someone else, and no offers of relationships since. So, I feel ya, Johno. I'm glad it worked out for you.
@MsCristina38
@MsCristina38 Год назад
Don’t worry there’s a lid for every pot.
@mrdee2454
@mrdee2454 Год назад
I love this movie, I was so depressed over a break up watching this yet felt healed after watching this. It teaches that love whether good or bad teaches us important lessons and is worth the risk
@tiltonm85
@tiltonm85 Год назад
Thinking back, I always have grieved my relationships in reverse. Angry and resentful. Then looking back how it got so bad. Eventually while I'm used to being single for awhile, I look back and remember the first date, fondly. I'm friends with a few exes now and we have a deep respect and appreciation for each other. I just hope I can maintain that perspective while in a relationship.
@ryanarmfield
@ryanarmfield Год назад
I would love to see your takes on Stranger than Fiction. Has a lot of interpersonal discussion about self. It's similiar to Eternal Sunshine in that it's a comedic actor that took on a drama role and blew it out of the water.
@alexandraperola
@alexandraperola Год назад
This movie completely destroyed me at the time. I cried my eyes out when it was finished and hated the movie because I could not understand how someone who's in love could want to ever delete the memories of their love. It still pains me to think people experience this. How would you forget all the experiences and growth you've have with that person. I'm not talking about extremely abusive relationships or trauma inducing ones, but a relationship like this one where people just aren't seeing eye to eye and satisfying each other's needs. It's what they said that those experiences were not just affecting the relationship but the people in it. It's part of who you are. Wanting to erase someone you love is like wanting to erase a part of you... I really enjoyed your perspectives on the movie and it was great to see it in another light though, so thank you for sharing it with us!
@sathvamp1
@sathvamp1 11 месяцев назад
THANK YOU! You're the first one who mentioned the timing of "when the movie was finished" in terms of crying your eyes out- I did the same! I was tearing up at many points throughout, but I get distracted easily, and the wheels in my head really had some freedom to start turning especially AFTER the movie was over. It's very rare for a movie to make my cry... the last time I cried that hard was a long 7 months ago (for "The Land Before Time"), and for both that one and just after finishing THIS one... by the time I was "done with myself", I had little puddles on the backs of my hands. But MOST of the time, (the rare times I do cry to a movie), the tears evaporate before they get very far. Similar to what YOU said, it was the [intentional] loss of memories that got me the most... there is just something about potentially losing the memories themselves (including any good ones!) in addition to the person (or pet, etc)... that just destroys me. During the movie I kept saying to the characters "Don't do it, don't do it..."
@calyl
@calyl Месяц назад
Watching this as i am going through a rough patch in my marriage. It is easy to start over when you have no memories, to forget the pain and the resentment, a complete do over..not all of us are that privileged.
@christhornycroft3686
@christhornycroft3686 Год назад
This movie got me through a painful breakup shortly before this came out. My ex was a lot like Clementine and I was definitely like Joel.
@laurie_guilbeau
@laurie_guilbeau Год назад
"When a person is loved unconditionally, they're more likely to grow and change than if they're going to be dumped if they don't grow and change." That is SO good. You put into words something I've been trying to explain to my boyfriend. And it makes total sense. Change comes from within, it can't be forced by another person really wanting you to change. Also, when a person feels secure, they have that ROOM to grow and change rather than the pressure of "'well, if I don't, he's gonna dump me.'
@jadelee0591
@jadelee0591 Год назад
every time i write a romance i ask "would cinema therapy approve of this?" if it's "probably not" i do not write that relationship
@katrinalarock5381
@katrinalarock5381 Год назад
What Dreams May Come might be one of the best couples going through things type of movie, like to see this in the future. But Eternal Sunshine might be the best period.
@Amantducafe
@Amantducafe Год назад
That movie broke me.
@apollolux
@apollolux Год назад
I saw Eternal Sunshine in the theaters for my birthday one year and I definitely was not in the right space, either emotionally or mentally otherwise, to appreciate it at the time. Immediately afterwards, I snuck into Kill Bill: Part 2 even though I hadn't yet seen Part 1 before it and I enjoyed the heck out of it.
@obish4476
@obish4476 2 месяца назад
my parents met in kindergarten and then dated at 16, married at 21, had me at 25, and are happily still together. i relate to wanting that but just not having it lol
@shereejoalan8006
@shereejoalan8006 Год назад
This movie is so much like my husband and I. We met in high school, liked each other, but we were in very different places. We met up again 6 years later and have been married for 22 years with two children. Timing definitely plays a part. He’s the love of my life now, but he wasn’t when I was 16.
@ItsBAndBees
@ItsBAndBees Год назад
I thought Clem was willing to drop the conversation after she said “we’ll YOURE not ready”. He could’ve either ended it there or like they said engaged the topic with her without committing to anything. Instead he straight up says he doesn’t think she’d be a good mom, which is support hurtful.. they’re what I’d define as a high conflict couple and the book of the same name was so good at me and my husband not going into downward spirals over stupid conversations.
@mohammadzekereya9311
@mohammadzekereya9311 Год назад
Now you gotta do Truman Show.
@aubreezily13
@aubreezily13 Год назад
That would be AMAZING! So much to unpack from that movie in particular.
@ariiiarii2860
@ariiiarii2860 Год назад
Omg Yesyesyes! I love that love😭
@nsbemoon4300
@nsbemoon4300 Год назад
Yes they should
@rowiequierez5920
@rowiequierez5920 Год назад
So many great themes to talk about. Especially how it pretty much predicted the Reality Show and Social Media celeb culture and how it effects mental health. This definitely is akin to content children of social media.
@jongon0848
@jongon0848 Год назад
This movie holds a special place in my heart, I watched it with my girlfriend for our anniversary. At the time we were having intimacy and insecurity issues. After we watched the film, we just asked each other if we'd ever want to erase each other's memories if we ever broke up. We both immediately said no, because even though it'd hurt, there was just so much more joy and happiness than there was sadness. It was our "Okay" moment. I'm not sure why but it was probably the most intimate moment we ever had. We embraced each other like never before.
@courtneystewart8006
@courtneystewart8006 Год назад
I haven't watched this movie in years and forgot how amazing it is! The final scene of "Okay" made me suddenly burst into tears! It's so well acted, written, and filmed and has such a lovely story of growth in a relationship. I really appreciated the move making insights that I never noticed before lile the library books and lighting changes. SO COOL!
@_grumpytoad
@_grumpytoad Год назад
Was that a freaking Homestar Runner (Strong Bad) tie-in joke?! +100 points!! I also super-relate to the "Why do I fall in love with every woman I see who shows me the least bit of attention" line.
@Pktommy1
@Pktommy1 Год назад
This was my boyfriends movie before we met, and it has slowly become my favorite movie over the past few years. It’s weird because we are very much similar reflections of Joel and Clementine. Right down to the “no jokes about my name” 😂
@kylekraemer5116
@kylekraemer5116 4 месяца назад
This is such a more positive take than I left the movie with. I really left the movie thinking they didn’t remember the mistakes of their past, so they were doomed to repeat it.
@voi3077
@voi3077 Год назад
„When people feel unconditionally loved, when they feel like they can be themselves, they’re actually more likely to grow and change, than if they feel like, I’m going to lose you if I don’t.“ I wish I had had that quote several months sooner. Before I threatened my boyfriend that one day I would break up with him if he didn't get a hold on his health (mental and physical, he could do a lot of things to improve both) because I couldn't live with that fear of losing him (by death or just by worsening of his problems so that he would suffer immensely). I really thought that would help because he didn't seem to have that healthy fear of a heart attack or depression or burnout that gets you to live healthier to prevent those things and I thought "well, if he doesn't have this fear, maybe I can give him another that will have the same effect". And it was the truth, at the time I really thought I wouldn't be able to handle it to see him suffer and thinking all the time that it would have been preventable, that he could have done something against it. I still don't know if I would be able to handle it but I know now that I was so afraid of my future feelings and that that's not a way I want to live my life. And in any case, after I said it I immediately realised that it was a mistake, likely the biggest mistake I ever made in our relationship, because he was so incredibly hurt and didn't see the "I love you so much and I care for you so much, I don't want to lose you, I don't want you to suffer unnecessarily and I am so scared for you"-part but only the "I want to change you"-part. I apologized and I "took it back" but of course I can't make it unsaid. I wish I had known this psychological principal sooner. Because without knowing it I knew that it's wrong to say such a thing for a lot of areas. Like "I'll break up with you if you don't change your career" or "I'll break up with you if you don't give up this hobby". But with health I thought it was different because I didn't want to change him as a person, only his health issues (I didn't see that he has to change as a person at least a bit to address his health issues) and he had already said that he theoretically wanted to live healthier, he just didn't do anything about it. But with this principal I would have known that this was also wrong.
@killercutie
@killercutie Год назад
This doesn’t really have anything to do with the movie, but I just wanted to thank you guys so much for making this channel. I love watching your videos, they’re so much fun to watch and I love learning more about the filmmaking of movies that I love. The way that you guys talk about therapy, mental health struggles, psychological issues, etc. has been really helpful for me and coming to terms with my own issues and actually helped me to decide to start doing therapy. So thank you all so much to you and your wonderful team, wishing you all the best in the world and all the love! 💕💕💕
@fremmer007
@fremmer007 Год назад
Probably the first time I really connected to a character in a movie, almost forgot it was fiction. I see a lot of myself in Joel. The way Joel and Clem seem so perfect together and yet are almost each others exact opposites is just heartbreaking.
@sagesaria
@sagesaria Год назад
My favorite scene ever since I was a teen and the movie was new is the first attempt to go to a memory off the rains - the 'row, row, row your boat' scene. At the time I didn't really have the words to explain why that scene always made me emotional, but as an adult I know why: Joel was extremely closed off, and barely talked to Clem about his life or his emotions, saying it wasn't that interesting. But now, here he is trying to save his memories of her by opening up; literally letting her into his history, and it starts with just a simple happy memory of playing in the rain as a child. It's small, it's nothing earth-shattering, but it's a little treasured moment that he had never shared with the real Clementine.
@gabriellesinclair971
@gabriellesinclair971 4 месяца назад
I thought they would include the 4year old scene where his mom didn’t give him attention, it really told a lot about his character. Also I wish they made a sequel to this movie from Clementine’s perspective so we could see how she dealt with the emotions and her childhood trauma it would be very interesting.
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