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Movies That Were Stolen From Directors 

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Sometimes, directors are able to finish a movie they way they want. But a lot of times, they aren't. In this video, I want to explore multiple instances of movies that were torn from their directors. In most of these cases, the situation was never fixed. In two, it was.
00:00 Intro
01:08 David Lynch & Dune
04:36 Ridley Scott & Blade Runner
10:17 Tony Kaye & American History X
14:20 Pete Travis & Dredd
17:18 Sergio Leone & Once Upon a Time in America
18:52 Dick Richard & Heat
20:15 Marvel & DC
23:29 Trust Your Directors
#RidleyScott #DavidLynch #Dune #BladeRunner #ZackSnyder #SnyderCut #Movies #Films #Entertainment #Dredd #AlexGarland

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@tinypurplefishes2903
@tinypurplefishes2903 22 дня назад
Honestly the real tragedy in the case of Once Upon A Time In America is that the stress of all the lawsuits and fighting with the studio took a massive toll on Leone’s health and he died only 5 years after it came out from a heart attack. According to people he knew him, that sharp decline in his health started during his back and forth with the studio
@user-rt9zq8rs9k
@user-rt9zq8rs9k 22 дня назад
Thanks to the now gone Z Channel cable system , subscribers got to see the original Once Upon A Time In America unedited . It got great reviews . This wasn't the only movie that the Z Channel salvaged and saved from producers . The Z Channel also was the only cable channel that showed the original Heaven's Gate and it also got great reviews .
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
Especially as he had so many more projects that he was working on. Considering he had cut it once, I'm sure if the studio had worked with him a bit closer, they could've arrived at a happy medium. But hacking off more than an hour of content is insane, especially when you considering the wide disparity in how the two cuts were reviewed.
@tinypurplefishes2903
@tinypurplefishes2903 22 дня назад
@@Syntopikon yeah he was only 60 when he passed, so sometimes I wonder what else he would have accomplished. That being said, what a high note to go out on. It’s a brilliant movie
@carsinruin6102
@carsinruin6102 20 дней назад
Leoni had earned the right to create his vision, that said, Once Upon a time in Amaerica is a mean spirited film about disgusting people.
@tinypurplefishes2903
@tinypurplefishes2903 20 дней назад
@@carsinruin6102 yeah, it is about really disgusting people! That’s the whole point. And it can be challenging to watch at many points Spoilers to anyone who hasn’t seen the movie and are reading the comments: The main characters are never portrayed as good people, quite the opposite. The whole story shows that, in reality, people with that much power often lead miserable lives behind closed doors. Noodles looses everything in his life, and we see Max at the end on the verge of losing everything asking to be shot near the end. Even if they live great lives for a few years, it all fizzles out eventually and for the rest of their lives all they’re filled with is regret over past actions for decades to come
@Trey2dope
@Trey2dope 22 дня назад
Studios still haven't learned to listen to the filmmakers and it's killing the industry
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
If anything, it seems to have gotten worse - especially where blockbusters are concerned.
@Why-bc7wl
@Why-bc7wl 22 дня назад
In the end it all depends on each project and it’s creative, if I was a producer working with Zack Snyder I would keep an eye on him 24/7. Sometimes producers need to exist to keep people in check. Alot Amazing directiors let their ego take control sometimes
@Why-bc7wl
@Why-bc7wl 22 дня назад
But I do believe ur right, studios have wayy to much control rn
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
That's a fair point, and I think Zack Snyder and Damien Chazelle might be good representatives of directors that indulge themselves a bit. But it should, in most cases, be a light touch (I think some friction is good for any creative endeavor). I think the problems really start, as you noted in your other comment, when, the producer exerts too much control - as in the case of Dune and Once Upon a Time in America, where massive cuts are made without the directors permission or even trying to communicate with them.
@brick6347
@brick6347 22 дня назад
@@Syntopikon Thing is, films these days have one shot to make back the investors' money. In the past if a film wasn't a massive hit at the theatre they could claw it back from video rentals and sales. And if you're talking about $100-$200m worth of investors' money I can see where a lot of nervousness comes from. Fundamentally the studio system is an ocean liner in a jet plane world, and it really needs to change. They really should trust the director, because surely it's all scripted and story boarded long before the cameras start rolling?
@brick6347
@brick6347 22 дня назад
David Lynch is legit. Weird, but legit. He only sold out once, and that was Dune. And he's the first to admit it too. Since then he's just done his own thing, and he's done some amazing stuff. Not necessarily popular or accessible, but in my opinion honest. His ideas, his work. He doesn't take himself too seriously either, voicing himself in shows like Family Guy.
@s3.14dervision
@s3.14dervision 22 дня назад
Weird is an understatement and this is coming from a fan! 😂 Freaking love David Lynch ❤
@brick6347
@brick6347 22 дня назад
@@s3.14dervision Yeah, he's always struck me an as authentic eccentric, as opposed to an affected eccentric (like Tim Burton). He's been the same for decades, and I freaking love it.
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
He's definitely one of the most interesting filmmakers around. I know he said he sold out, but I'm not so sure myself. I think he did in that he didn't have final cut, but he was still able to imbue Dune with his own weirdness. I think the bigger issue was that the movie, at the time, was unadaptable if you wanted to do it in one movie. It's like trying to do LOTR in 1 or even 2 movies - near impossible, irrespective of the filmmakers skill.
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
Not to mention some intense perseverance. I recall reading that it took 5 years to film Eraserhead because of difficulty finding the money in one go.
@ChristopherSean-so1rt
@ChristopherSean-so1rt 22 дня назад
Yeah but his Dune is Awesome atmosphere. It influenced a lot.
@Maxwel_Rodrigues
@Maxwel_Rodrigues 15 дней назад
You forgot about The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976), staring Clint Eastwood. Eastwood fired Philip Kaufman (the director) and took the directors duties for himself. This case is so infamous that the Director's Guild of America made a new rule, known as "the Eastwood Rule", which prohibits an actor or producer from firing the director and then personally taking on the director's role.
@PhantomFilmAustralia
@PhantomFilmAustralia 21 день назад
Marvel and DC spend hundreds of millions of dollars to produce a movie and entrust a director to bring his creative vision from script to screen. For producers and studios to leave the director out of critical intentions for the film is reckless, and makes for a disjointed, incoherent story. It's tantamount to having a racecar driver winning a race, only to have his lead sponsor CEO take over to drive the final lap.
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 21 день назад
That's a solid analogy. I think what Alan Taylor said re: Thor: The Dark World - that he was able to shoot as he wanted but was run roughshod in the editing room - is a particularly pernicious issue, and that's a place where Marvel & DC can improve going forward. If a director and writer are good enough to hand them millions to bring a script to life, they should trust in their skill to bring it to the silver screen. I can understand some issues here and there - and that's totally fine - but they need to have more faith in the filmmakers, and in audiences.
@PhantomFilmAustralia
@PhantomFilmAustralia 21 день назад
@@Syntopikon Absolutely. If the director is invalidated, why hire a director at all? I can't imagine all of the CEOs agreeing on everything either, so the story becomes a patch quilt to accommodate every big wig idea which will only ensure a film that fails. The only producers who should be included into the creative process is a person who the director knows and trusts, they have a proven track record as a producer, or were once a successful director who knows what the creative process is like.
@thunderwarrior1759
@thunderwarrior1759 19 часов назад
How no studio executives didn’t see the absolute brilliance of Sergio Leone at the time is mind blowing, even award shows didn’t recognise his talent. The good the bad and the ugly along with once upon a time in the west are in my opinion his two greatest movies that at the time were just seen as spaghetti westerns and not masterpieces which in absolutely nuts
@HospitalSushi
@HospitalSushi 22 дня назад
Hey man, I love your videos and I’m glad the channel seems to be growing. You make great content and the visual editing is always dope. One thing tho, a lot of times your voice sounds very muffled and I’m wondering if you have a really heavy pop filter or something. I usually have to turn my tv up by 10 to make out what you’re saying throughout the vid. Seriously though, love your content, keep it up.
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 21 день назад
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah, there's a pretty thick & heavy pop filter on my mic, but my recording environment's not particularly conducive either. I'm going to be experimenting more with the audio over the next few videos and do some post-production on it (beyond noise reduction and de-clicking, I haven't done much).
@Alanx_ai
@Alanx_ai 22 дня назад
Great video analysis. While "stolen from Directors" may be an overstatement, 99.9% of Directors don't own the films they make. The studio / production company / finaciers do. When Directors sign contracts with studio / financiers, they're bound by those agreements. If they go over budget, don't have final cut, or refuse to collaborate with the studio creatively, they can be fired from their own film, just like any employee. Final Cut is a proviledge employed by the selected few, even the most celebrated filmmakers don't make their best films with absolute authority.
@stellviahohenheim
@stellviahohenheim 21 день назад
The entertainment business must be hell, you have to kiss the asses of the rich. Otherwise they'll shame you and black ball you
@acapedit
@acapedit 21 день назад
@@stellviahohenheim Couldn't agree more
@aliensoup2420
@aliensoup2420 18 дней назад
@@stellviahohenheim All you "auteurs" can resort to making your low-budget iPhone projects and maintain all the control you want, but where are you going to find an audience to pay your bills? Make a successful movie, collect 100 million dollars and create your own studio like George Lucas - then you can make any sort of garbage you want and face the derision of the movie-going public.
@poindextertunes
@poindextertunes 12 дней назад
@@aliensoup2420wtf is this comment? bootlicking studio execs is fxcking weird 😅
@angelainamarie9656
@angelainamarie9656 6 дней назад
The thing is, it's pretty apparent that the constant interference of non-creative idiots often slows down or ruins movies that could be so much better. They could be masterpieces. But some dipwad in a $5k suit has a personal preference despite their complete lack of actual demonstrated creative skill. They're ensuring nothing but that a lot of their own hard work and investment gets wasted on some cornball idea that immediately turns audiences off.
@Cinema_Inc1997
@Cinema_Inc1997 22 дня назад
Excellent video on this ongoing subject
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
Thank you!
@CalTheHogNosedBat
@CalTheHogNosedBat 22 дня назад
Guess you could say Dick Richards and Burt Reynolds got a little...heated? :-D
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
Lol very heated, in fact 😤
@mahatmarandy5977
@mahatmarandy5977 22 дня назад
To be fair, the studios *do* set up the criteria they want when a project starts, and if the delivered film goes outside of those criteria, what choice is there but to chop it down? “Cleopatra” is a go-to example when the studio wanted a three hour movie, and the director handed in a six hour movie. (Which was evidently very good, but which no one has seen since the initial screening) The studio compromised and made a four hour cut, which is pretty good, and which has the distinction of being both the biggest box office of the year, and also the biggest bomb of the year. Everyone went to see it, but at four hours they could only show it twice a day, and it cost so much they couldn’t possibly make money in it. The unfortunate thing is that these longer cuts often weren’t preserved because there was no concept of an aftermarket where longer cuts could be shown. I think the first movie to really make use of that was Dances With Wolves, which had a three hour cinematic release, and a four hour VHS release a year later.
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
Cleopatra is certainly an amusing case, as Fox was still able to make its money back by selling the television rights, but you make a good and valid point: most of this is contractual and the studio does indeed have final say unless the director has negotiated otherwise. But I think it's more of a measure of whether or not a studio should try to find a compromise position as opposed to unilaterally altering the film without conferring with the director.
@stellviahohenheim
@stellviahohenheim 21 день назад
If the rich investor know so much about movies then why don't they make it themselves?
@octogigas
@octogigas 21 день назад
Just so everyone remembers: the David Ayer situation wasn't restricted to the prior people in charge. James Gunn promised Ayer multiple times that he would let him release his cut of Suicide Squad at some point. Then, after Ayer talked about it in the press, Gunn told him "no." I guess Gunn just gets off on manipulating and humiliating people.
@postrock12
@postrock12 22 дня назад
Blade runner’s producer’s happy ending is so bad. the paper unicorn ending is great. Makes u think
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
All it took was 25 years for Scott to get it exactly the way he wanted.
@postrock12
@postrock12 22 дня назад
@@Syntopikonyeah,that’s wild. The happy ending felt like a totally different film. Didn’t fit at all.
@tonythesuperperson
@tonythesuperperson 22 дня назад
Once Upon a Time in America is a tragedy, imagine thinking you know what you’re doing with film better than Leone! Great video, thanks.
@David-mg1yj
@David-mg1yj 22 дня назад
Brazil and The Magnificent Ambersons also spring to mind.
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
Glad you enjoyed it! Yeah, that was probably the most significant, for lack of a better word, butchering of all these movies. Thankfully, it's slowly getting restored to Leone's intended state.
@stellviahohenheim
@stellviahohenheim 21 день назад
No it's celebration for the rich investor that they managed to kill a great director. They must've talked about it in parties for years
@David-mg1yj
@David-mg1yj 21 день назад
@@stellviahohenheim The investors / studio would have lost their money. Hardly a reason to celebrate. Studio executives get fired for less. People go bankrupt. Families are effected. Not exactly something to boast about.
@MrJacobHart
@MrJacobHart 21 день назад
Would’ve loved it if you talked about Payback and it’s two cuts.
@thunderwarrior1759
@thunderwarrior1759 19 часов назад
Dredd is an absolutely amazing film that definitely deserves a sequel..that said we were going to get a TV series named Mega City One but that now looks dead in the water
@poindextertunes
@poindextertunes 12 дней назад
Tony Kaye sounds like a straight up nightmare 😅
@RamiFive4Five
@RamiFive4Five 22 дня назад
I think the saddest part of the MCU is the way they treat their directors by using a pre-viz studio to make the complete film. Yes, pre-viz has been a part of filmmaking for a long time, but the way Marvel utilizes it is disrespectful toward the directors. This is something that Lucrecia Martel had to deal with when she was approached to direct Black Widow, and the studio told her that she didn't need to worry about directing the action scenes. Of course, she was expecting to be in charge of that as well, naturally. That's my concern about Marvel: why do they need directors if their vision will be limited or not to be needed at all?
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 21 день назад
I think this is something that goes back to the time of the prequels. I recall reading in The Star Wars Archives Episodes 1-3 by Paul Duncan, that Liam Neeson said that pretty much all the work was done for him. He was shown exactly what he should do, where he should go, how he'd be directed, etc. It takes a lot of the spontaneity out of a performance, and that's one of the best things about a film. I can understand using it in certain cases, especially if it's a complex or large scale sequence, but the Nesson scene was just walking and talking. Hardly something that needs to be laid out in such detail beforehand.
@buzzcrushtrendkill
@buzzcrushtrendkill 21 день назад
Micheal Mann's "The Keep".
@James-qd8he
@James-qd8he 12 дней назад
Is there a directors cut of The Keep available?
@buzzcrushtrendkill
@buzzcrushtrendkill 12 дней назад
@@James-qd8he Nope. Its been lost by the studio. The original directors cut was a 210 minute movie. The studio hacked it down 95 without involving Mann.
@joehenry9546
@joehenry9546 20 дней назад
Blade Runner is one of the few times I actually prefer the narrated Theatrical Cut as opposed to the directors cut.
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 20 дней назад
Fair enough. You're in the same camp as Christopher Nolan, who believes that the theatrical version is the definitive version (unless there's some real roughshod stuff going on).
@shabberto
@shabberto 13 дней назад
Now THIS has got me hyped for the upcoming Rebel Moon directors cuts! (just joking)
@amafirenze-vi1uh
@amafirenze-vi1uh 5 дней назад
Tinto Brass and Caligula.
@Concreteowl
@Concreteowl 2 дня назад
Denis Veneuve didn't get Dune right. He made his film. He didn't make Dune.
@Concreteowl
@Concreteowl 2 дня назад
Lynch did propose splitting the adaptation into 2 parts. He also considered releasing it in monochrome. Denis borrowed a lot from these ideas.
@Paula_vadinho33
@Paula_vadinho33 2 дня назад
And you didn't get his second name right. (Veneuve) Just kidding 😂
@Paula_vadinho33
@Paula_vadinho33 2 дня назад
​​@@ConcreteowlI actually really like his Dune. I think he got the idea right. I can see why some people would dislike it, but saying he didn't understand is something I disagree. I believe Lynch got the idea wrong in some things (by the way, he is my favourite director).
@Stonecutter334
@Stonecutter334 17 часов назад
Agreed
@postrock12
@postrock12 22 дня назад
Wtf the main actor editing the film
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
Yup. Edward Norton's got a reputation for being difficult to work with.
@Rosabel_Believe
@Rosabel_Believe 22 дня назад
All of your videos are incredibly difficult to hear unless you have headphones at max volume. The bass is too loud and your voice sounds like you are talking through layers of fabric while you hold something in your mouth.
@poindextertunes
@poindextertunes 12 дней назад
just don’t watch then?
@altohippiegabber
@altohippiegabber 21 день назад
a/k/a/ An Alan Smithee Project
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 21 день назад
Truly the best and worst director of all time.
@user-qt4qp6bj1q
@user-qt4qp6bj1q 22 дня назад
Terry Gilliam's movie Brazil is just bad.
@Stonecutter334
@Stonecutter334 17 часов назад
Big disagree
@highcomputing2342
@highcomputing2342 21 день назад
what's violent about punching a wall ????
@user-ln8cs9ev3l
@user-ln8cs9ev3l 11 дней назад
Look up Dark Star.
@foujj
@foujj 20 дней назад
Justice League and suicide squad are DC. They are NOT the same. Marvel has not destroyed films the way DC has.
@poindextertunes
@poindextertunes 12 дней назад
bro wut? 😂 Marvel movies are like the blandest most vanilla movies ever. They’re for children
@jesseowenvillamor6348
@jesseowenvillamor6348 22 дня назад
Don't eat your words so we can hear clearly what you're saying.
@Why-bc7wl
@Why-bc7wl 22 дня назад
SEX Machina 🤯
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
I need to enunciate better 😬
@carmichaelk.5214
@carmichaelk.5214 22 дня назад
you sound like you're drowning
@gahan101
@gahan101 22 дня назад
Haha!
@Syntopikon
@Syntopikon 22 дня назад
With all the water I drink, I might as well be 🫠
@kadiummusic
@kadiummusic 11 дней назад
Blade Runner was made, the company that paid for it presented it to the public, the public loved it and it became a cult movie and then Scott proceeded to rubbish the version we all loved for the next two decades. So who stole what. NOBODY complained about the voiceover. NOBODY complained about the ending. NOBODY thought Deckard was a replicant. The whole thing has become an arguement when it didn't need to be. 🫤
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