MP confronts P&O chief over being a "shameless criminal" 

No

I'm sorry but yes it is. Sorry

its the usual 'im sorry you are upset' BS.

Lord forgive me for I am about to sin.

fingers crossed behind back stuff

He is a0pologising after he had done it, not before!!

yeah cos the investors spent 300m to get it... if it isnt profitable why does a company need to stay losing money to keep people in jobs... if your personally aware of whats going on in your company then you should know this is coming... and seek employment elsewhere...

yup, and we paid furlough for them too.

@@leonhughes9014 they also took £150 million gov handout days prior to sacking those people.

@@leonhughes9014 Correct me if I'm wrong,but dividends are not a one time payment. Plus this on you bike seek employment elsewhere doesn't jive when you a coastal Port, plus are you going to take someone else's job for lower money,the race to the bottom in the UK.

It’s not strange at all. Just greed of the system.

No kidding! Grant Shapps (or whichever alias he's using this week) was already aware of what was going down at least a day before. Not just a cabinet minister, THE cabinet minister.

@@clivecosta-correa2102 Legally you have to give the government 45 days notice of your intention to make this number of people redundant. They didnt do that they deliberately broke the law. Being informed a day before...what do you expect Shapps to have done with 12 hours notice? Utterly clueless

@@DD-gt2cv get an injunction to stop it happening?

@@DD-gt2cv How about Shapps spilling the beans, going public with it and stating that the government would start proceedings to penaliz P1O for breaching the law, removing their rights to use the ports..etc... instead of waiting until it has all happened then go all shocked and say that they'll do something at some point ... that something never happening because by the some point it's deemed no longer important.... like party-gate where the entire disgusting partying going on at No.10 has been swept under the carpet and how dare anyone bring it up.

No! Especially a sleazy Tory...

Just like our prime minister

Pains me to say, but he’s both highly competent and fully legal. And with teflon shoulders. Immoral? Yes, since he does not actually care about the casualties as long as he is paid. It really has little to do with party politics. these f**kers can operate under any administration, just change the pitch and the faux empathy. Bet he sleeps well at night too. But hopefully, his wife/husband is shagging the tennis coach. Karma is very patient.

@@gaycha6589 He's quite possibly legal due to Grayling changing the law a couple of years ago but even legal experts won't commit themselves either way at the moment. He is certainly not competent though. Whatever the outcome this is a PR disaster that only their competitors can gain from.

@@johnm2012 You may missing the point on this man’s key objectives from his paymasters….he is not in PR. Just needs to show up, eat humble pie, take the wrap. take his bonus. His Arab masters can then discard and replace him as fall guy in a few months, when heat has died down. It’s the lovely corporate world we live in (sarcastic btw). ;-)

@@gaycha6589 That makes him incompetent by my reckoning. As the CEO he's responsible for all aspects of the business, including PR.

@@MrNPC market competitive rate being £5.50 an hour… which is not market competitive because it’s half almost half what any UK employee would accept and they’d have better jobs elsewhere. That’s a salary of £11,000 assuming you work 40 hours. Can you imagine living on that?

He literally admitted they can't run their business without slave labour.

@@MrNPC what a way to run a business,deary me

@@MrEwragg if I lived in India or Philippines , yes absolutely. The salary’s being paid are above ITF min wage

@@Phoenixeire it’s slavery to employ people above ITF minimum wage ? Why do you lie ?

Johnson has announced he endorses hug profits for companies. You only get huge profits by virtue of two things, exploiting employees and price gouging customers.

Brexit

Yeah, i wouldn't call this a beginning. Profit comes first and this hypocrisy circus is not in the interests of workers.

@@smellslikethinice1107 they are paying the the new crew a fair rate as per their country of origin

Because we are British, this is the British way, nothing will do but the British way...we never"had" to grow up post ww2, when the rest of the world" grew up".

And isn’t Johnson borderline criminal in the way he’s cosied up to the scum of Russia?

Exporting Gulf States employment management techniques.

Should he have let the company go under and the crew lose their jobs anyway ?

@@SK-ei4cm they're being replaced with cheaper foreign workers

@@Sam-sc6rr technically the British crew were foreign workers too as the ships are Cypriot. Brit seafarers have been laid off for forty years and the British public couldn’t care less. I guarantee you when the new service is up and running and fares are reduced the public will forget all about this.

Why aren’t you boycotting the other companies that laid of Brit workers , 90% of the things in your house came here by boat , the majority by foreign crew. I’d like to see you try to live boycotting them

Agree steak for him tonight jam butty for rest👍

He saves his company, it’s sucks but he is a good ceo

@@SK-ei4cm That's not the definition of a good CEO

An apology where the person sits and states, only minutes later, that he would do it all over again is no apology at all. The phrase "words are just wind" comes to mind as this one was certainly talking out of his arse. By his own admission A CRIMINAL.

@@gazza595 I completely agree

A noble sentiment however that in turn endangers the livelihoods of the remaining 2200 (I think he said) employees if they were to go under. And lets face it, if they can do this already whilst still operating, and this guy can sit there and try to justify it like he is, what will they do if they have to close up shop altogether?

It's freight which calls the tune. They will go via the cheapest and most convenient route. And if P&O can't make a profit who can. ? DFDS and Stena will follow suit quite quickly. If we boycott them all we starve.

Well here is the kicker, because of how this government has protected their friends with new maritime and employment laws. So yes, essentially they have gotten away with this, and even if they are found guilty the due compensation is peanuts.

They will get away with it unfortunately, because the government doesn't seem to think this is important or worth tackling. They (the government) of the day very much set the agenda, and if they don't do anything then decisions by companies like P & O will go unpunished. As a result no new laws will be brought in to prevent this kind of thing from happening again in the future.....by another company. Most pointedly, the government don't actually care, because if they did this would never have happened in the first place because there would have been a law (or laws) in place to prevent such a thing occurring. Remember that the P & O workers don't have the EU to help them, which they would in instances like this. The irony is that alot of the workers probably voted for Brexit. Not all, but many likely did. This is a reminder that despite what some people say, we don't live in a democracy - we live in an autocracy. The latter is quite different, but we have shifted from the former since 2016. This shift was accelerated during 2020 and last year......very 'conveniently' while the public were for the most part, observing lockdowns.

The Government is taking them to court. Very likely a big fine. But is wont get the jobs back. Its up to consumers to vote with their feet. But they wont do that because they are all mouth and trousers.

@@DD-gt2cv Fining them just swells the exchequer coffers - its not as if govt will give anything to those who lost their jobs. Then P&O will simply pass on the fines thru pricing to their customers. I shall no longer be a P&O customer, thats the very least we can do. the rest is just noise in the corporate world. Alas it blows over.

@@HaseoXth please provide the new maritime and employment laws!!

that changed what exactly ...

@@leonhughes9014 You make no sense.

Exactly!

crocodile tears!

Had it not paid £270m in dividends and not claimed furlough, that still leaves £60m cash in the bank, as they are claiming a £200m loss. Also with restrictions easing, they would've been seeing passenger traffic back on their routes which could've made them profitable with their current crewing arrangement. This is greed, pure and simple.

Hear hear. This is not dodgy dealing. Slimy management. Whatever other bullshit term people dance around with. This is criminality.

It's just a race to the bottom thou. What we really need is enforcement

Yeah the most roundabout thing that annoys me the most is MPs not being able to call other MPs liars when they've said something blatantly untrue whilst they're in the house of commons.

these select committees pull no punches, the panels give the people they call to be present a grilling. quite right too. this shameless goon does not feel any remorse or regret.

communication here in UK is horrendous; a culture of ineptitude; such occurrences are only possible because there is no real legislation in UK; enforcement is selective and nothing stands without judgement and can be appealed nonetheless; the people making the decisions in such matters do so because they know they can; government is no different

They can't sack EU crew members because theyre protected under the eu workers rights, and human rights

Other EU employees have more rights. Can you imagine if French employees were sacked in this way. I think NO FERRIES WOULD RUN BETWEEN UK AND FRANCE, THE FRENCH WOULD SHUT DOWN THE PORTS.

@@southstar66 yes thats true. but the UK is now a third country. you wanted it this way. i love the Brexiteers !

Dont need visas if working on a ship. Maritime crew can wait and join a vessel without visa. Just need a contract.

@@frankmarienfeld6192 hahahah!

Those benefitting from golf tournaments' sponsorship are identical with those benefitting from cheaper ferry rides based on slavery.

Considering when the UK left the EU and kept all the employment laws the same, I am very interested to which exact laws you are referring!

@@polaris7122 another communist lover who doesn't have a clue. You're 100% right Paul.. the reason why the English were sacked was because of our minimum wage law.

@@KcKeegan wow,, Mr clever cloggs I presume! The contracts were issued in Jersey my friend! Go away and engage your brain!!!

@@polaris7122 the boat docks at England and employs British workers.. there go they're bound to pay them at least the minimum wage

@@KcKeegan wow, there you go again, the contracts are issued from Jersey and don't come under our laws. Please try to grow a brain cell to keep your one company!!!

None and I bet they get a good bonus now .

This. If something has happened which is wrong, the situation must be compensated to before the error/action happened. They can negotiate what to do next once the original staff are reinstated.

Please explain how brexit affects a ship registered in the EU, following the employment law of that EU nation? All Cypriot law was followed and adhered to. The company was going to go under without a radical restructure and sadly getting rid of overpaid Ratings is a good way to start that.

NOTHING TO DO WITH BREXIT! BUT EVERYTHING to do with former Transport Secretary Chris ‘failing’ Grayling.

@@SK-ei4cm Odd then that all the EU workers that work for P&O have retained their jobs, while UK workers were fired. Please explain that? Overpaid ratings? Do you think £1.50 an hour is a more reasonable wage? I'm guessing you make a bit more than that. In the process of making all these supposed massive losses P&O have manged to pay out some very nice dividends to their shareholders, perhaps not quite as broke as they make out.

@@milo2324 Oh well, some people just can't admit they have made a mistake. I'd be interested to hear your opinion in another twelve months. The blindingly obvious evidence that Brexit has screwed this country up for generations is out there already if you choose to look. These workers would not have lost their jobs if we were still in the EU.

Its 800.

DP world issued a dividend , not P&O ferries Ltd which a is private company not publicly traded.

And yet millions of ordinary voters still think the Tories are worth voting for. They might be wavering now, but we all know the press will whip large numbers back into step behind the Tories for the next election.

@@ExpendableRedshirt Dog whistle politics appeals to enough of the working class to swing elections, even when it hits those same people financially 🤷‍♂

Don't remember Labour governments doing anything about it. Neither of these criminal parties are looking out for workers, workers are never considered by the House Of Crooks or House Of Layabouts.

Didn't the tories change the legislation in 2018 so company's can do this to its workers.?

@@rm-kx8et We haven't had a Labour government since the 70s. Blair was a centrist infiltrator who dropped clause 4 and renamed them 'New Labour'... He's also a despicable human being who took cash from S.Arabia to cover up their genocide in Yemen on the international stage... However as already stated the majority if not all of the anti-union and anti-worker legislation and regulations come from successive Tory governments...

I agree I wouldn't book with this company, shameful the way they treated their staff, I hope they do go bust, maybe better company will take the place of P&O.

I think the UK, France and Ireland should create a joint venture to create a shared, nationalised ferry system that benefits Port cities, each individual countries, and ensures scummy TNC's never get a chance to operate on those routes again.

They will just rebrand and trade under a new name. Guaranteed. And people aren't involved enough to know the difference.

@@SCP--ck5ip the would only really work under a free trade system that includes the UK, France and Ireland. That doesn't exis- oh wait! That's the EU! The very same trade agreement we had a tantrum about and left, slaming the door on our way out. With seperate countries, the processess of tax and visa makes this too complicated.

Could you make clear that that is P&O Ferries you are referring to. P&O cruises is an entirely different company with entirely different ownership. They simply retained the name when the group was broken up and sold off. All in favour of boycotting the ferries, ut wouldn't want another company to be affected.

8000 a year makes it NOT slavery. Doh!

@@joeds3775 The very 2nd dictionary definition of slave labour is..."The employment of workers for small amounts of money to do tedious tasks."

“Escapegoatism” 😂😂😂

You are 100% correct PO are doing this because the law allows they to get away with it.

@@chumleywarner5412 PO are doing this because the law, which the Tories have fought for, allows they to get away with it.

lol its the labour mentatlity of the staff thinking they are entitled to jobs... a business can sack whoever they want... end of story and if your working for a comopany and they have made two annual losses of 100m and teh company was only aquired for 300m then if your not seeking other employemnt in the third year then thats on you!!!!! basic economics.. lazy british people being told they are entitled to jobs .. labour and corbyn thinking

@@leonhughes9014 BS

@@leonhughes9014 really???? So what about all of the EU nationals who weren't out looking for jobs?? Are they lazy too???? £250m in bonuses to shareholders. £140m spent sponsoring a golf tournament. £150m in handouts from the British Conlot the day before firing 800 British workers. 2 years after failing Grayling took away seafarers rights. Yet you shill yourself on here blaming the 800 workers for not looking for alternate jobs???? You just love the taste of boot polish... 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@7dtdfil730 I'm not disputing the horrible treatment... But everything you said there on top of annual losses tells me enough that that company wasn't going anywhere fast... Im not blaming workers but if you havent got anything in the pipeline when things go bang then thats on you.. weak society with simp mentality... poor me all the time...

@@leonhughes9014 😅😂🤣😆😅😂🤣😆😅😂🤣😆 So, the shareholders getting £250m in bonus and you're still trying to blame the (ex)workers???? Stop simping after big business and crawl back in to the sewer you were spewed from, ffs. 😱

Same old story the tory's used closing the pits in the north. The UK never learns, and next week it'll be a vague memory...onto another scandal that will also amount to nothing too. We are a sad people in the UK, truly sad.

Should they have just let the company go under and the crew still lose their jobs any way? This was the only way to save the company , everyone knows the RMT would prefer to see a company go bust than take a pay cut

@@SK-ei4cm Your evidence for that comment is? Other than Union bashing? They’ve lost their jobs anyway, so the company may as well go under. They haven’t been rehired. The guy admitted they didn’t try to negotiate. And again do you think this bloke took a pay cut and worse conditions to save the company?

@@iangascoigne8231 yes , speaking as a merchant navy officer who has been at sea since I was 18 and had numerous dealings with the RMT I can say I am more qualified than most to comment on this. RMT have continually demanded increased wages above inflation for positions that did not deserve it. Why would you pay a Barman 36k to work 6 months of the year when the average Uk salary of a junior officer is 33k (officers were not in RMT , they were with numast) By getting rid of these workers there is a chance to save the company as well as the supply chain.

@@SK-ei4cm Spoken like a true officer. If someone did the same to you you’d be screaming blue murder. There you have it why should a barman get more than an officer. Pure snobbery. But why shouldn’t they if the company is making the money why not? It’s not their fault if your Union was crap. The guy admitted they hadn’t even spoken to the Union. Do you think he’s cut his money and accepted worse conditions to save the company? But carry on being a union basher.

... out of a cannon

meanwhils im with them and they just doubled my standing charge too. wtf?!

Surprising to hear this about SSE, given they operate in a risk adverse and sector, seems like a risky move. And as for funneling money to shareholders, that's the primary objective of any business!

You can be surprised. I’ve seen the objective documented.

@@iceni8066 Which division(s) within SSE does this objective apply to?

Let’s see you pay someone a wage. It ain’t easy sunshine

The thing is the people they were replacing were British people on Agency. There was one foreign person and he was Australian. He was also one out of I think out five people who refused to take the job because they thought the jobs they went for were on a new ship.

@@simonrose8700 Foreign agency staff from India and Philippines and some Eastern Europeans keep up, plenty of reputable news outlets saying so.

@@MaNarchicDRAKE Easy to shit on people as well.

They sure do

The answers to your questions are Of course he Will to the first two🙄🤨🧐and of course not to questions 3 & 4 what a naive question!!!🤔🤨🧐🤬😡

@@keithdukes5990 If asking questions is naive, then you either know everything or are disinterested in finding out. Try to stay curious, you might learn something.

@@Patrick-pt5bm I was being sarcastic! Doh!

@@keithdukes5990 Of course you were!

why its private company... if my partner worked for them for 3 years and they made three annual, losses of 100m id be telling them you need to seek other employment... as its not substainable... problem with uk individuals dont take responsabilty for themselves...nobody is entitled to a job.. jeremy corbyn thinking

@@leonhughes9014 BS from a Tory Boy.

@@leonhughes9014 😆🤣😂😅😆🤣😂😅😆🤣😂😅😆🤣😂😅😆🤣😂😅😆🤣😂😅👍 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️😬

Hasnt admitted anything. No laws were broken.

The ship based ratings were no better, because of their short trips (week on week off is the seafaring equivalent of going home as soon as you arrive) the crew had very little knowledge of their LSA systems. I stood open mouthed watching them take an hour and half to launch a lifeboat. Considering my crew could do in less than 5 mins it was utterly shameful to see these so called seafarers working so badly

very very interesting post. maybe its Karma

@@SK-ei4cm That's so dangerous! As you say, a competent firm would train until the crew were slick at safety operations. The unfulfilled orders i found were often for safety equipment. Flares, fire extinguishers, non slip carpeting and emergency lighting to name a few!

@@Aengus42 one I always caught ( not just them ) out on was opening up their working life jackets , the amount of ones with damaged bobbins was terrifying. That being said I’m now dealing with Eastern European bulkers who don’t seem to even thing the BA bottles need filled 🤦‍♂️

@@SK-ei4cm Bugger me sideways! What are they gonna do? Close their eyes and hold their breath from engine room to the open air? That can be a long old climb on some ships. Perhaps they've watched too many black and white films where a damp hanky works like an oxygen supplemented re-breather 😆

No p&0 are banned from British ports .

This is the New Tory Regime that allows such and couldn't care less about workers & rights .An all out general strike would hit the GOV where it needs it .OK tough but they can't sack everyone .Down tools and walk out .Tomorrow who will be the next bunch fired ?

Well labour tried to get laws to prevent this. All tories and some labour voted against.

Hardline capitalist CEOs insist that they owe loyalty only to their shareholders. Even more hardline CEOs look out for number one.

Hence them fighting tooth and nail for breggshit...

Owners are the UAE, not Saudi. Other than that your point is valid... Loyalty is to the shareholders (but only really the majority shareholders), no-one else.

@@neilbathe7752 Good morning Neil, thank you for the correction, greetings from Andalucia.

Best bit is that RMT caused this. They supported brexit. As third country we have no recourse.

No.

Sadly, yes they could. The UK has always had some of the weakest employment law in the EU. Employment law is set by each member state.

@@cjmillsnun -- You might want to read up on some of the EU legislation, applicable in all member states ...

I last used P&O in 2005 when they closed the Portsmouth-Le Havre route. There at least, the crews had plenty of knowledge of when their jobs were being made redundant and many had work arranged after they left P&O. As I live near Portsmouth, I shall continue to use Brittany Ferries.

Did Labour protest of course not.

@@chumleywarner5412 Right so now it is Labour's fault for not protesting hard enough against poor government policies? Please point to a single case where Labour protesting made the government change path and wasn't just dismissed. Go on, just one. I can wait.

@@chumleywarner5412 don't forget, luv, Labour were in power 12 years ago - it's definitely Labours fault 🙄

Well they could have voted for the laws that were wanted to prevent this..... Or we could have stayed in europe...... C*nts in charge.

@@chumleywarner5412 they actually did and brought this up 2 years ago - which the government promised a review which didn’t happen. Do you even watch PMQ’s?