Mr. House VS Independent New Vegas | Fallout Cartography 

with all the discussion about what faction is the best to lead Vegas, I think we should all take a step back and realize that the only person capable of saving the Mojave is Fantastic. He has a theoretical degree in Physics, was able to get Helios 1 up and running in no time, and personally I just think his attitude is so positive that the vibes alone would make him a great leader.

*"God let me live another day, and I'm about to make it everyone else's problem!"* - Courier 6, explaining why the Securitron army is now a smouldering wreck, why Kimball and Caesar are now bloody puddles, and I-15 and everything on the east bank of the Colorado are nuclear wastelands to Yes-Man.

58:32 but that isn't the only other option. If you kill *all* of the Fiend leaders (Motor-Runner, Cook-Cook, Driver Nephi, and Violet), then ypu get an additional ending where the leaderless Fiends collapse. This ending can happen regardless of which faction you sided with. So the Yes Man option is not as bleak as you might think

A good-karma Courier under House can do the Kings storyline with the NCR to earn a favor from The King. The Courier can spend this favor to force peace in Freeside and turn the Kings into peacekeepers working with House. This can be coupled with working with the Followers of the Apocalypse to provide aid to Freeside. This raises Freeside from a worthless slums and provides a solid residential district for New Vegas. On the south side the Fiends can be broken for good by helping the NCR at MacNamara to drop the three leaders, and the Courier can clear the Vault. This scatters and breaks the Fiends as a source of conflict and brings peace to south New Vegas for traders and travelers. With the Fiends broken, there isn't much you can do for the Great Khans in the Canyon. Best outcome for them is a peaceful exodus to settle in Zion with the tribes there. For the Brotherhood, there isn't any good option. They're nothing but raiders with fancy toys and House cannot be reasoned with to allow them to exist. If the Courier works with the Elder and Veronica, Veronica can be convinced to join the Followers. This earns just enough standing that the Courier can, with Veronica not in the party, set the reactor in the Bunker to overload, and sneak out without killing anyone. This scatters the remains of the Brotherhood, but the Courier keeps enough standing that Veronica can accept what happened, and the remnants of the Brotherhood aren't marked for kill-on-sight. Keeping standing with the NCR so their citizens still come to New Vegas means there isn't much option for the Powder Gangers to be left standing. An unfortunate loss of life since not all of them were violent criminals, but not everyone can be saved in the Mojave. Working with various NCR groups on the side, Golf and the east front can be stablized, the sharecroppers can be empowered, MacNamara can be stablized, and the NCR can reach such a standing with the Courier that their demilitarization in the Mojave doesn't leave the citizens demoralized as the Securitrons move in to protect the greater New Vegas area. To speed through the rest: The Crimson Caravan can be made honest again with Rose, the Boomers can ally House, the three families of New Vegas can be cleaned up and brought in line, the Enclave can be given their last hurrah, and Primm gets the best results of a House ending with Slim. It's not perfect, but with enough alliances, Courier Six can go robotic enough with enough cybernetics between the Clinic and Big MT to survive for decades as the hands of House to bring peace to the Mojave for years to come.

Obviously I *ALWAYS* win.

*House under investigation, RobCo's future uncertain*

To be fair, House literally has over 200 years of experience under his belt, He's what every business employer dreams of having on their side.

IIRC, finishing the Three Card Bounty quest + taking Motor Runner out results in the Fiends no longer being a threat to Southern Vegas.

*Just finished a Modded playthrough* The Great Khanate of the Colorado reigns supreme, even as the hated NCR and despotic Legion collapse inwards on themselves. Khagan Morkere, heir to the great Papa Khan, rules from the Lucky 38, where he rules with a light but powerful fist across the Mojave and one day all the lands that touch the Colorado

The B-29 sank into Lake Mead after a water crash landing in 1948. So, more than 200 years by a *considerable* amount. :) (I love old warbirds, and I knew about this years ago.)

I feel that the inclusion of Fisto really shows the accuracy of a lot of the lore.

Man i didn't realize the Courier i always play was the Freedom Courier

I feel like mr house or the courier would hire and train a small army of mercs using the wealth and tech of vegas to establish both outposts and law enforcement

The Chaos Courier resets the East Coast Wasteland to the state we find California in Fallout 1, save for the Brotherhood of Steel having a greater presence. They wipe out 120 years of progress.

Claim the Mojave is a good mod recommandation, especially if used in conjunction with Functional PostGameEnding, along with Run the Lucky38

56:20 If the NCR tried to do that, I’m pretty sure that would violate the Order of Withdrawal, meaning they’d lose access to water and electricity from the Dam “As Chief Executive of the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas, I hereby demand the IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL of all NCR military personnel from New Vegas and its surrounding territories. a) Yes, "all military personnel" includes NCR Rangers. b) "New Vegas and its surrounding territories" includes (but is not limited to) Hoover Dam, McCarran International Airport, HELIOS One, and the El Dorado substation. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE that my vast army of heavily-armed Securitrons has been rather inflexibly programmed to respond to acts of aggression with overwhelming force. a) For examples of "heavily-armed" and "overwhelming force," I will refer you to the pitiless campaign of extermination my Securitrons will have visited upon Caesar's Legion by the time you are reading this document. b) Any NCR military personnel who do not withdraw from New Vegas and its territories will be seen as committing an "act of aggression." NCR civilians are NOT subject to this order of withdrawal! They may visit New Vegas freely, enjoying all that the Vegas Strip has to offer! So long as NCR military personnel comply with this order to withdraw, electricity and water will continue to flow from Hoover Dam to the NCR.”

If I remember right there is an automated steel mill near vegas that’s implied to be houses.

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I love imaging that the Chaos Courier is just another agent of Korne laying waste and collecting skulls for the skull throne

I personally have a roleplay headcanon ending where it's an infependant Courier ending but he realizes that House is best for the Mojave. So the courier makes sure that there is a mutual understanding between him and House that he could be taken out at any time should he become a tyrant, but outside of that the Courier will be his right hand man while ensuring the freedom and prosperity of the Mojave and grooming an eventual line of successors to help (and keep in check) House since everyone else is not immortal

Really curious what the show will choose as the canon ending of New Vegas. I always assumed, after I first played it, that it was either the House or NCR ending.

Ah yes a match between the 2 best endings (sorry ncr & legion)

In the chaos ending the Strip would just become an open air vault after a certain point. All those tourists waiting for things to cool down so they can go home and it just never does. Eventually realizing those securitrons and the gate are the only thing keeping them safe and with barely any new visitors they grow increasingly insular. Assuming of course their insane mailman overlord doesn’t set the securitrons on them.

The chaos ending but with the khans still alive for distribution of "flour" would be even more savage. Supplying the strip, fiends and powder gang with naughty substances. Leaving the boomers alone for the sake of death fields remaining active. Now we talking real chaos

23:00 maybe Caesar doesn’t send his men to check what you did, as they would then know Caesar built his main camp where he keeps himself, his highest officers, and most of his men in Mojave on top of a giant robot army and didn’t even know it. It would show he’s as smart as he acts. But I’m sure Caesar would spin it as divine help that the securitrons didn’t wake up and slaughter them all (unless you don’t destroy them and go House/Yes Man)

What I like most about the Yes Man ending is that it canonically causes chaos, plus it isn't even an independent ending, the Courier is an Autocrat just like House. Independent from whom exactly

A great fallout game, or maybe mod spinoff, would be the finding of the chip. It’s left kind of vague how exactly it was recovered and I imagine the story is interesting.

Dude I totally needed a vid like this the last few days thank you

when you combine the Freedom Courier with the technology from Big MT, you basically counter the whole Brotherhood, not only the Courier would provide freeside/strip with even more supplies through the Sierra Madre's (Modified so they dont need the Chips and instead use energy to work, since the Chips are kinda batteries) Vending Machines and with the Help of the Think Tank, develop new codes, both for even more supplies for survival and also new military equipment, like a new variant of power armor made out of Saturnite Alloy or even an army of Securitrons Mk VII (since there are new versions of the Securitrons in Big MT already) also made out of saturnite alloy and shooting LAER lasers instead of regular lasers, and even a much better self-fixing systems similar to the vending machines, not to consider an army of holograms, and even if all of that isnt enough, the Courier could simply ask the Think Tank to create a new variant of the Red Cloud, but being easier to control, so they could evacuate the whole Mojave and release the Gas, once Vegas was already Immune to the gas of course, so even if the BoS tried to call all other Chapters to take the Mojave, there would be nothing they could do (sorry if my english is bad, im not american)

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If I could do what I want with the ending, I'd go with the Yes Man Route, but then use the Securitron army as leverage to negotiate a better deal joining the NCR. It's better for both sides to be joined, but the NCR wants to just strip the region for resources and send all the power and water west to the capital region in and around Shady Sands. New Vegas is going to be a full member state, not colonized. And if the NCR tries to renege on the deal... I have a Securitron army. And air support from the Boomers. And the Kings, Khans, Brotherhood, and even Enclave remnants.

I'd say House would have more of a presence in the wider Mojave - if concentrated at some points of interest necessary for his future plans for the New Vegas area - after all, he isn't going to let his city be a single street in the middle of a ruin forever. The various mines and the quarries for metal and cement/concrete, the Vegas Steel plant, the various railroad infrastructure like the old emergency service yard, HELIOS to supplement the wider power grid, and H&H Tools and Cerulean Robotics for their manufacturing infrastructure, maybe even Sunset Sarsaparilla HQ if a mailman or something figured out the recipe. Those could be businesses built up and spun off by House for those he didn't need to keep a close eye on. As for the military camps, House would probably station groups of securitrons at the ones directly on or adjacent to the highways just for the sake of securing them from raiders and hostile wildlife by necessity to maintain trade routes, if not just hire mercenaries to secure them instead.

I don't know why no one talks about the securitrons biggest weakness. Stairs. 😂

The House Always Win

About Khans. By completing the quest and telling Papa Khan he should move on, they actually just leave Vegas once battle starts, so you can both spare them and leave Legion/NCR without a potential ally.

In reality the House ending is the most logical, since the courier is already in the Employ of Mr. House.

16:51 That's not Novac, that's Black Mountain. Novac is the black and orange circle to the Southeast.

Idolized with all possible factions with independent vegas is my favorite. Almost everyone lives, but powder gangers, fiends and legion.

That headshot had *_95% Chance to hit_* vibes.

I was thinking this video was going to be whether either of these endings are going to be tied into the next season of the Fallout TV show. Looks like the Legion is out of the picture on account of how barren the strip looked when Hank is seen overlooking it. I'd imagine the Legion would have lots of flames and bodies there. I'm thinking either the Courier endings or the NCR ending was canon. Maybe House's ending but I have a feeling House's autocracy would have left The Strip thriving. After all by that time he'd be 276 years old with the majority of that time stewing over the future of The Strip. Plus if he had his Securitrons upgraded they would have made it trivial to protect The Strip so the only thing left is the economy. With the Dam power and Mr House's business skills I have no doubt The Strip would have been overflowing with activity and growth.

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In my opinion, the best ending is with the bulk of Caesar's forces in ruin an independent New Vegas run by The courier allied with the Ncr With the efficiency and stability of the New Vegas region under the corrier. The NCR wouldn't struggle quite so much. It would be able to strengthen itself up and survive much longer

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You are truly "hobbling" both of those characters! Hell, my wildcards (almost all of my couriers are wildcards these days, as I've got a head-canon of the 'Majoveh-Confederation' - where the Courier as head of New Vegas (the New will be replaced vor LAS again!) runs the region, with securitrons (and other robots through a bounty system - people can bring in bots, computers, parts, weapons etc. and gain a cap bounty!) and his or her own (fleshy) army and police-force and people get a say too via an elected council (Courier can veto their decisions, he's got the muscle after all)) help the NCR a LOT more than neccessary and it's not just for the sweet sweet XP an loot! Same for my House-Couriers, they help NCR etc. more than House would like!

Amazing work as per usual! You are basically Epic Nate, but born a child of atom! Love the channel and please PLEASE do pt 2 of trash! Praise be!

"The road to hell, is paved with good intentions." For some reason, that is what I am thinking with the Freedom ending. While the Chaos ending is just the road to hell.

16:52 You called Black Rock Mountain, Novac, you might want to edit that

Sounds like the Chaos Courier is a canon Vault-Tec employee.

Great video, love this series! I always go with the Independent ending and just say "my courier will take care of it" if anything goes wrong. I imagine helping the Khans return to their former glory, and them being allies to New Vegas in the North. I figure when the courier gets old they'll just go into the antechamber and do what Mr. House did to live forever and stay in control. Basically I rely on the courier staying alive, and their good relations as well as power and influence with all the factions leaving them basically allied with the courier's vegas, even the BoS. I'm not sure if the ending slides really reflect that but it's my headcanon😅 If I massacred the fiends, in my mind they no longer exist. Get rid of the powder gangers, get quarry junction up and running, get some real industry other than gambling, and use the dam and helios for power. All this would probably include forming a proper government and militia to supplement the securitrons etc. etc. let the fires of industry burn. All this on top of DLC stuff, allied with Joshua in the North, implementing the Sierra Madre vending machines and holograms in New Vegas with help from Christine, maybe nuking the Legion and NCR to block their path into the Mojave. Tech from Big Mt. can be used as well, vault 22 plants, all sorts of stuff. Usually I play with 10 INT so I just figure with essentially immortality and a big brain (or more likely no brain) and all of Big Mt. to assists, the courier could figure out and implement a lot of the handy dandy tech.

My first end was messy, but if i remember correctly it was mostly a NCR victory with a healthy Mcnamara Brotherhood.

Stuff like this always gets me thinking. A lot of people say House is the best ending cause "you're the courier and you're not that smart." But I think what people forget is the courier is me but with like a 20int stat by the end of the game and on a mentat binge. I'm sure my courier could not only run New Vegas, but figure out how to do exactly what House was thinking of doing even better.

So fascinating watching videos about this game to this day

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39:33 This was always one my favorite places to farm experience points. But especially after some how making it to Vegas then returning after winning at all the Casinos until they tell me to stop, and meeting up with the Gunners. Who in fact at the time of my play through had in their inventory a moderately priced "Anti Material " Rifle with slightly above moderate statistics. I do not remember them exactly, crap i should have wrote them down! Yes!! Coming back with that bad boy and some grenades made it a whole other ball game! 😊

In house vs yes man I have yet to get a compelling answer to the question of why be a king maker when you can be a king.

You can have an independent Vegas that is stable instead of having a chaos Courier to make everything unstable for Vegas and still everything will be better than what you're saying

Chaos Independent playthrough is one of the more compelling endings imo. Most people who do Yes man ending just do benevolent courier saves the Mojave but I like chaotic courier fucks everything up more.

Halfway through and this is a pretty interesting format. Nice.

For a cannon ending, I go with the phrase: "The House always wins."

I know that the (cursed in some instances!) Ending-Slides say that the Followers get swamped, they forgot or had not yet implemented the Dead Money, Old World Blues etc. DLCs where you can gain access to a lot of medical tech and during the ending you gain access to a VERTIBIRD...so yeah, you can get that stuff and the vending machines to jumpstart industry! So yeah, discard most of the slides!

The only true answer of who can run the wasteland is obviously fist-o

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I tested this before but basically there’s a way to do all the quests for all sides until it makes you pick a side. I did it for all sides to see what gives me the most experience. When I did, the most that did was yes man side. I was trying to get enough levels and experience to do the DLCs before finishing the main story and once I got almost to the end of the main quest, went to do all the DLCs and when I was done, I was pretty good leveled and geared and finished the game quickly.

Instead of straight up answering the question I'll just say: the House always wins. Now this thesis is purely theoretical, but, judging by the real world, I am confident that there are many people benefitting from the chaos and, as such, targeting anyone capable of restoring order. So when it comes to this, would you rather be the leader of lawful good and paint a huge bullseye on your own back? Or will you act like, say, Porter Gage and shield yourself with a visibly more powerful and capable leader like Mister House? Since he never leaves his HQ and doesn't need to, It will be pretty hard for anyone to sink their golf club into his head. Especially having to bypass his most loyal guard dogs - the securitron army and Courier six. The courier himself is unlikely to give up his adventures even should he gain such power as ruling New Vegas. On the contrary, though, as a capable businessman Robert Edwin House is more than able to sell the idea of prosperity to a powerful figure like the Courier, just like he used to get many investors to put money into his economic empire. You can say his claims are backed up by his accomplishments, but everyone has their own limits. Besides, had he been as resourceful as it is stated, he'd bolster the security frontier between his fragile body and someone like the Courier. Simply put, reinforce the leash to never let his best guard dog loose to his own demise.

I just wanna say, that it’s kinda odd that House thinks the Legion would be an issue with Caesar dead. Like everything points to the Legion not lasting more than a year or two after Caesar dies, as it’s his planning that’s holding the legion together at all. Shoddycast went into this matter deeper, but the legion won’t live beyond Caesar. All the NCR has to do is wait them out.

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36:20 The Legion succeeds in assassination of Kimbal?! But they do not use guns. Perhaps they would have to hire out the job to someone with experience and success?

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Nope, Wildcard wins! Why? Because you have to take the DLC into account and you have to take into account that a courier who goes WC will be loved by almost everybody (not Fiends, Powder Gangers, Legion etc. - but all the good factions!) and they will be able to bring more things to the table, like those Robo-Scorpions from Big-Mountain! Mobius was building them by the truckload, so yeah they can help secure territory and hunt down Fiends etc.!

house always wins and by that i mean i always make him win almost every playthrough

Even tho the Chaos Courier has less territory, I doubt they care. I bet they are in Lucky 38 watching everything go to shit from monitors and laughing like Megatron from TF Prime when dark energon was erupting from a Volcano.

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Black Mountain was mislabeled as Novac

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"Mathematical certainty" aka "there's a lot of earning potential in the end of the world" especially with *guaranteed* results

Me, preparing to launch the Mojave into chaos because I find Dave Foley's voice nice to listen to

The House always wins

As much as I love the independent ending, realistically, the Canon ending would most likely be the NCR or Mr House. Plus, I don't think the independent ending would have a long-term societal structure. Even if I upgrading the securitrons.

I would prefer a "Communal Ending" where all the none military factions of the Mojave works together to builds an independent and self sufficient, in energy, foods productions where the people need are places on tops. Right now we have an unfinish "independent Skynet" ending, and the other three are all terrible, two of which are older corporate interest vs the newer corporates interest, and the other is just rebuilding Rome.

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At 33:45 you talk about yes man saying to ally to the followers of the apocalypse maybe it’s cause they programmed him so maybe they set a interest for themself set in his code

26:35 me who unwittingly helped the omertas build their bomb cuz i was just messing around the strip

Heh, putting my money on it that the chaos courier, is canon to the show!

This is why I usually choose the Mister House ending in NV, and the Institute ending in Fallout 4. Moral qualms aside, it's objectively what is best for humanity as a whole (especially in the latter case, where the main source of evil and immorality - Shaun - is out of the equation by the end).

The house always wins lll

I feel like house would probably take control of reppcon buildings and helios one

An offshoot of the Freedom Courier is the only way I can play the game. It’s how I did it instinctively the first time, and I‘ve tried to play other factions but get burnt out way before the dam. The big difference is how I handle the three actively hostile groups, I dispose of the PG and Fiends, and I cripple the Legion any way I can (without nuclear force). I am an honorary member of the BoS and Boomers, keep the best relationship possible with the NCR, and do every small thing I can to make the Mojave a desert safe haven in the heart of the wasteland.

Independence provides normalcy. House provides potential.

Imagine they make the Chaos Courier the cannon ending so when the 2nd season of Fallout airs everything is destroyed and in chaos, and all know it is because of someone that even dwarfs the legion and the NCR in might, Courier Six. And because he launches the nukes at caesar AND the NCR he was the one to destroy shady sands. He would be, indeed, the Mojave Devil.

So basically, the chaos courier ending is what leads to DUST

Better wait until I finish NV before I watch this one, sorry RK

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At the end of the day, we all know that the best fate of the Mojave lies in the hands of The King! Hoo Haa Hoo baby

A true independent vegas requires the courier to not solve anything, it just needs caesar, ncr, and house to be taken out The best hope is the smaller factions to ve allied with however the courier is. (House is still the best hope for this stable land)

chaos courier ending seem canon in the tv serie, for the neding showing make new vegas look as burned out ruins

if you play the Independent Vegas right you can have quite a few better outcomes than you have said due to a few things you just have to look for ways to help areas or factions and have them aid the player char and then agree to work with you in the end game and after it

42:50 Im assuming that this is the Mr House route. As I would argue that Repairing the bot for Tabitha is the better option for Black Mountain as the inherently hostile Super Mutants and Nightkin leave, however I like to think, thanks to Neal, it does become a smaller settlement akin to Jacobstown. Of course this loses you out on saving Raul unless your lockpick (or pickpocket) skill is good enough as Tabitha takes the keys to Rails cell on her as she leaves Black Mountain

really not sure how house was not able to write the upgrade drivers himself in the intervening 100 years