Honestly, the first reason I came up with for why CAMM2 is superior is that it allows motherboard manufacturers to put the RAM on the _bottom_ of the motherboard as close as possible to the CPU. You can then sandwich hella-long heat pipes between the RAM and the case for amazing cooling. As well, shortening the connections between the RAM and CPU will allow for faster & cleaner signals.
This was actually one of the core design choices when developing the standard, since laptop manufacturers couldn’t just use the good old sodimm standards we had before due to the issues with speed and stability of keeping the slots so far from the cpu, which lead to the soldering of ram right onto the boards. Camm2 was designed to fix these problems along with maintaining upgradability.
Signal integrity is pretty much the main reason why CAMM2 is developed. DDR5 is already kinda having some problems when trying to reach the top end of clock speeds. At least with this, we won't be suckered by single-channel prebuilts anymore.
@@BlueDrew10 i know it not its mainly about energy usage (camm2 uses waaaaay less than any old sodimm kit) + for apu's cuz its better (the whole explanation is too long and there is no way im writting it)
An LCD display that shows a constant stream of what is being sent to RAM. It would probably be an indecipherable blur of gibberish, but a flex is a flex.
CAMM2 is mostly replacing SODIMM in laptops but this is an example of the potential to replace full size DIMMs as well. SODIMM had hard speed limits that soldered RAM didn't and nobody wants non-upgradable RAM unless you're Apple. The new standard created in part by Dell is a huge revolution in replaceable laptop memory and since laptop and desktop memory are basically the same, you can use CAMM2 in a desktop as well. Even your phone uses DDR memory. Lower power or LPDDR 4 or 5 depending how old it is. Some thin and light laptops also use low power RAM as does the steam deck.
I hope the camm2 standard will make its way to the Microsoft surface devices, I’m not too much of a pc gamer but i love the duality of using it as a sort-of iPad and when i need it as a laptop.
@@adamtso there aren't any YET, however DDR5 is already as fast as it can be, so if we ever need faster ram we'll either need to figure out a way to drastically lower CAS latency for DDR5 or switch to a different form factor that allows higher speeds
The main reason this type of ram was developed to begin with was in mind of laptops and portable/extra small form factor devices. The LP in LPDDR stands for low power, however due to the sodimm spec this couldn’t be implemented into the regular sticks in laptops which basically need the small form factor as well as the power efficiency of these ram sticks, so the industry was basically forced to start soldering ram onto laptop motherboards. The new camm2 standard should hopefully give us laptop users a far better experience, in speeds, stability, repairability and upgradability.
personally I like everything about this new ram format hit fixes problems that immediately the vast majority of people aren't going to have but I have ran into before and eliminates potential failure points while performing better than traditional DDR because I like making small form factor portable PCS that can be taken around in a shoulder bag or similar and the less components that are just held in buy some flimsy clips the better sure you're not going to have issues with that while it's sitting on your desk but anywhere else you will and it's the reason why soldered on RAM is kind of the standard in more rugged machines or anything that's expected to experience more vibrations and this effectively replaces that or at least gives a good alternative while still allowing for upgrade ability
Idk if that is the case but I have a thought, that this will allow you to have a huge ram heatsink, something that wasn't really that great with sticks. Idk if it would be worth having, but it is a possibility
You should start selling part bundles on your site. That way people won’t have to do all the research to make sure every part is compatible and stress about it, but they still get the experience of putting together their own gaming pc
In future revisions, they could consider putting the CAMM2 slot on the back of the motherboard, to free up room on the front of the mother board. We already see that on some motherboards with SSD slots (more common on mini ITX boards). I wouldn't be surprised if they only did it in this configuration to save on having to completely redesign the board to put the ram in a more optimal configuration for the form factor.
If i could get a full case with a 32in 600 hz monitor built into it for cheaper then both apart and it be slim and light weight and the fans were super quiet at max speed and I can fight a super 4070ti or a 4090, i would get it. the last thing I could care about is the height of the ram but this does help
Anytime you install your old NH-D15 to another system it's going to conflict with the rams if it's not the offset model, so there's that. I had to switch the front fan with a 120mm so it would fit in my case and not hit the ram. (It wouldn't fit without bending the side panel a bit and was still right up against the ram.
My CPU cooler isn't incompatible but it is slightly annoying to remove and put on, considering I rarely ever do that though it's not much of a problem. I'm saving for water cooling anyway
This is just an aside, I don’t think I’ve ever had an MSI product that didn’t die. I went through a motherboard in about a year a gpu GTX 1080 a week after I got it, and a laptop (the keyboard) as far as I know, those parts are still living in a buddy’s pc and laptop just still chugging along waiting for it to break another keyboard.
Honestly swapped the CPU cooler on my girls PC and i had ram clearance issues one of the cooler fans sat on top of the ram and i had to leave it slightly sticking out so it doesn’t align with the cooler 🤣
The biggest problem I have ever had is that you must install the RAM before the CPU cooler. And if you want to replace the RAM, I've had to remove the cooler. It was a large air cooler, but it is an issue I've experienced.
0:23 that was way back when ypu put the sticks in the correct slots and didnt have a case where a Noctua NH-D15 couldnt be mounted with both fans since the sideoanel wouldnt close with 4 sticls of ram
Almost every AIO I used is incompatible with my ram sticks and I don’t even use RGB ones. It is a problem. I have’ve built a 4080 super 14700k PC and my massive AIO pumps are pushing my ram, since I can’t rotate my aio pump due to motherboard heatsink sizes.
I suppose it means that small form factor pc's are going to be getting slightly smaller!. You can shove a larger heat sync on top of the CPU which goes over where the regular ram is... Only makes sense ofc if they make new CAM ram on the small form factor motherboards
More importantly, it could go on the back of the motherboard VERY close to the socket. Signal integrity is the main reason for this, the wires are too long and it's already presenting problems with DDR5. A factor in that rising cost of motherboards is extra layers and shielding for the faster interconnects. This could go a ways to bring motherboard prices down while also increasing speeds.
Honestly the last time my ram conflicted with my cooler ...was last week lol massive air coolers that will never fail> AIOs for all of my builds except the few that desperately need it.
Well, it would be nice to have a digital readout directly from the board so I know what's going on. I know for a fact my PC is not optimised, something is stopping something else from performing properly, but I have no idea what.
When was the last time my cooling solution was not compatible with my RAM? Well, my AIO radiator absolutely conflicts with the RAM if I try to install it at the top of the case, so I had to install it in the front. The problem is not merely theoretical.
