MSR Access 2 Review - is this the 4 SEASON TENT we've been looking for?

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This video is a review of the MSR Access 2 tent. This is a lightweight 4 season tent with composite tent poles. This 2 person tent is huge and yet weighs just 1.86kg. On paper this winter tent seems to good to be true. You have the choice of using this backpacking tent as an enormous 1 person tent or you can use it as a proper two person tent.
A true four season tent should be strong, have low fly edges and have plenty of solid mesh. A 4 season backpacking tent should be able to withstand all sorts of harsh weather conditions and keep you warm too.
MSR makes some great backpacking gear. We own lots of their camping gear including other MSR tents. The MSR Access Two is MSR's winter tent. However, I do have some issues that I bring up in this video. I've not massively impressed with this tent and it looks like the new MSR Hubba Hubba may have been pulled from production too. The Easton Syclone Composite tent poles sound great but I think they are too flexible even if they are unbreakable.
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This is what they say about the MSR Access 2 backpacking tent:
Built to be the ultimate shelter for backcountry skiers, splitboarders and snowshoers, the Access 2 tent is lighter than a mountaineering tent, but warmer than our backpacking tents. Limited mesh on the tent body offers greater warmth on frigid nights, while the light and packable design saves you precious energy on the climb and descent. The interior is spacious for delayering, and the strong frame resists overnight snow loading. Quick to set up, the tent offers the protection needed for camping in less severe conditions, such as those near tree-line-making it perfect for accessing the bowls, ridges and powder fields above.
Ultralight Warmth: Limited mesh on the tent body keeps in all that hard-earned warmth on cold nights, while the light design keeps you nimble while skiing, riding or hiking.
Easton® Syclone™ Poles: Advanced composite materials resist breaking in challenging winter conditions.
Robust Frame: Central-support frame optimizes interior space and resists snow loading.
Quick Setup: Unified hubbed poles make tent quick to pitch in cold environments.
Additional Features: Rainfly vents reduce condensation; Xtreme Shield™ waterproof coating for long-term durability; two doors; two internal pockets; multiple guy points.
Includes: Tent body, rainfly, poles, stakes, guy lines, easy-load, wide-mouth stuff sack, setup instructions.
Floor Dimensions (Metric) cm: 127 x 213 cm
Floor Area (Metric): 2.69 sq. m
Vestibule Area (Metric): 1.62 sq. m
Number of Poles: 1 Easton® Syclone™
Interior Peak Height (Metric): 107 cm
Packed Size (Metric): 46 x 15 cm
Number of Doors: 2
Freestanding: Yes
Rainfly Fabric: 20D ripstop nylon 1200mm Xtreme Shield™ polyurethane & silicone
Canopy Fabric: 20D ripstop nylon & DWR
Mesh Type: 10D polyester micro-mesh
Floor Fabric: 30D ripstop nylon 3000mm Xtreme Shield™ polyurethane & DWR
Weight (Metric): 1.84 kg
Length (Metric): 213 cm
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Thanks, Andy.
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@campingcaledonia76 Год назад

Another good review Andy, thanks man. Nice tent but you’re spot on about it not being quite up to harsh UK wet n windy weather requirements by the looks of things, especially at that price level. 👍🏻

@BackpackingUK Год назад

Unfortunately it just falls too short for UK weather as a 4 season tent. It’s still a lovely tent though!

@andyholtorp Год назад

I feel I have to defend this tent, I own multiple Access versions and stand by how good they are as an ALL ROUNDER. Yes, you can get much stronger and more wind resistant, with a weight penalty. The Access will struggle above 45 mph winds, as would most (I have been in and measured the wind) - but I would avoid camping in those winds anyway, as you wouldn't get much sleep - even in a Hilleberg due to noise and flapping around, yes I know you can get caught out before someone has a go. Many seasoned Scottish campers, some on RU-vid testify to this tent as a good all rounder and I would agree. I love the space and tautness inside, and they are fully waterproof....most tents leaks through the stitching and panel joins, not through the body of the panels - and the quality in that area in the Access is excellent. Yes it dances around a bit in the wind, but the poles literally are unbreakable - I have already seen a Hilleberg Soulo BL with a broken pole and damaged fabric as a result (currently £925), so nothing is truly bulletproof. For clarity - my argument is for this tent as a great ALL ROUNDER and stand by it, I love all my Access tents and use them in all weathers. It is not worth £700 though that is for sure - I got it for less than half that amount, and the previous version which I feel is better than the new version anyway.

@carlrichards5250 Год назад

Yep, from my point of view, the more I have paid for something, the more care I would take of it. I’m not paying £1000 for a tent to watch it get stressed, deformed and shredded. I spent many nights in my wild country trisar (before they changed to Terra Nova) in minibus temps with the wind and rain rattling the tent. Then I decided one day that getting two of three hours sleep was not actually that much fun, so I change plans as and when I’m out there. And yes the Access is a great all round tent!

@RS.Outdoors Год назад

Have to agree with what you say. Have used both the Access1 and the Access 2 on many trips including the Cape Wrath Trail and found it to be a fantastic tent for space and weight. The two person was also great for my wife and myself when doing the TGO challenge across Scotland from one side to the other and never had an issue with it. Along with many summit camps as well. Just be aware of its limitaitons and dont go out wiith it summit camping during a storm. Will add that I have been caught out a few times on long trips and it held up fine. However the prices are just getting silly now.

@langnasewinklersson5841 Год назад

Dude this tent is trash, espacially for that money!

@Marksnowden1 Год назад

Hi Andy and all , I go to Iceland this July trekking the laugavegur trail on a wild camp , out of all the 4 season tents what would you recommend for the trip, being non biased pal

@andyholtorp Год назад

@@Marksnowden1 that's the ultimate question! Depends on so many factors - budget, weight, space, strength - thats why I love the access, a good all rounder. It also has to be the right tent for you individually, your needs are going to be different from others. I have just bought a Terra Nova Voyager, another great 2 person tent that ticks a lot of boxes - I would just get all over RU-vid for detailed reviews and come up with a shortlist, then if possible, go and see them in person before commiting - good luck

@carlrichards5250 Год назад

I also own an Access 2 (sold my Akto after seeing my mates Access 2) and think it’s a great tent. The 4 season relates to camping in snow in the US. You would camp lower down and build a snow wall etc to protect the tent. It seems only the British knowingly go to the top of a mountain with gale force winds to “test” their tent out! Nothing is more miserable than getting little sleep and having to drive back home the next day - you had to ride home on a motorcycle absolutely knackered in one of your videos! The last time I used my Access high up was on Grizedale tarn and we had torrential rain and wind for 17 hours. The tent buckled and flexed but stayed up and kept me dry. Now i go up to the top, take a few pics then drop and pitch further down and get a better nights sleep! Also if you leave the bag behind (110g) and change the pegs for titanium and carbon you can easily save another 200 grams! Unbeatable for the type of tent. Check out Norwegian Explorer- he camps in all extreme weathers but always preps the area to ensure his tent is protected.

@andyholtorp Год назад

here here!

@BackpackingUK Год назад

I can only review it from a UK point of view. MSR officially sell it here to a vast number of retailers. They sell it as a 4 season tent, 'above tree line' tent and a winter tent. If they sold it as the ultimate 3 season tent and the price was closer to £500 it would be a fantastic tent but that's not how it's being sold. I love the look of it, the space, the vestibules, the unbreakable poles and the solid mesh with vents. However, it's a very expensive tent for what it is. The HH rating is very poor for any tent, you don't get enough pegs to pitch it properly, the poles are really flexi and the fly don't come down far enough. For this sort of money, and to sell it officially in the UK as a 4 season tent, it needs to be better.

@carlrichards5250 Год назад

Yeah, fair enough Andy, it’s YOUR review. Really enjoying the channel and the gear reviews. Please don’t turn into one of these channels where its all about spending a fortune on a tent and then recording yourself “surviving” a night in 70mph winds. Those vids are getting boring very quickly!

@barryfullick7981 Год назад

@@carlrichards5250 Hi Carl, that gets 'a "me too". I recently unsub'd from one channel for the same reasons. It was just tedious repetition of more of the same. I now just take a quick look to see if that loyal, loving companion of his is is still ok, and then move on to watch something which informs me of places I havnt seen or new aspects of places I have, and which appeal to my sense of the aesthetic. Im not saying everything must be picture postcard perfect, far from it. Ragged wind torn cloud of a newly arrived Atlantic depression, being further torn apart as its blown across and over a rugged landscape, has its own majesty and stirs my heart and nourishes my soul, just as much as a misty dawn over the Norfolk coast or the open expanses of the Cambridgeshire fens where the horizon is ten miles distant. To each their own, and no one is compelling me to watch the stuff Ive grown tired of, but when I see the vainglorious "aren't I the hero" nonsense, being endlessly regurgitated yet again, I cant help thinking " what a tw*t".

@carlrichards5250 Год назад

@@barryfullick7981 exactly! I think people are leaving these channels as it’s just turned into repetitive survival stuff, often destroying good gear with conditions never intended for it. I was on an ML course many years ago and we were taken up to Styhead tarn in gale force winds in winter. The leader was quite happy to watch all our gear get destroyed before declaring we needed to bail at about 1:30 am as all the tents had been destroyed. One guy had the flysheet of his brand new tent ripped out of his hands which disappeared over the edge never to be seen again. I noticed the leader didn’t bring his own gear, but had agreed to share the tent of another person on the course. I prefer stuff now with more interesting cooking ideas and different views (I’m amazed Andy Wardle has such low subs!). Also, I’m not sure I would take my dog out in extreme weather. I’m damn sure she would rather be at home in front of a roaring fire than stuck in a tent with me (especially the next morning when I’m grumpy from lack of sleep!)

@1990SammieJ 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for the honesty! I have the Hubba Hubba and love that for 3 seasons but even that's a bit chilly, this one looks like it's twin. I'll carry on searching elsewhere

@szmoncess Месяц назад

What a beautiful tree behind you!

@MrDazP1adv3ntures Год назад

Fair play Andy. That was a honest review

@andrewmoore1579 Год назад

Very expensive for a tent of that specification... barely waterproof in the UK. So many other better tents on the market for that price point and less. Good honest review as always Andy 👍🏻

@Northern_Rockhopper Год назад

I was close to buying this tent until I looked at other RU-vid videos and saw the poles buckling under the wind. Also don’t agree with MSR not providing enough pegs when you’re paying all that dollar. 💵 Cracking review mate.

@juliuscaesar3346 Год назад

I❤ your tent pitching and the overall look around from 6 yr olds to 66 year olds you take their considerations into thought I’m a. Big supporter of your YT channel❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

@juliuscaesar3346 Год назад

I have around £1,500 to buy a 1 man full season tent as I’m going to treat myself have you a good suggestion please my friend.🔵

@m0ther0ne Год назад

Thanks for the honest review. Was looking at this tent and the hubba hubba. I have noticed that all the MSR tents come with fewer pegs than you actually need. This is MSR’s way of getting you to buy the extra pegs you need, but you have to buy a whole pack, and have more than you need!

@BackpackingUK Год назад

A lot of the Northern American brands do this. They’re obsessed with weight so they’re already trying to lighten their tents anyway they can.

@THE-RIVER-RAT Год назад

I was going to buy this tent today, then came across this video and I'm glad I did. You have just saved me from disappointment. Great revive cheers matey...

@BackpackingUK Год назад

Great 3 season tent but don’t buy this if you want to use it all year round in all weathers!

@THE-RIVER-RAT Год назад

@@BackpackingUK Decided to get the MSR Tindheim 2-Person

@notme1345 Год назад

They should do one in camo and call it the Dartmoor!

@BackpackingUK Год назад

😂😂😂

@KraigK- Год назад

Great review! I can't imagine spending that amount on a tent and the tent poles be the liability.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

It’s like their thought process stopped halfway. Unbreakable poles sound great but they’re flexi!

@gearnobz1540 Год назад

Great video 👍

@BackpackingUK Год назад

Thanks 👍

@marshalfresco1846 Год назад

Agreed with your comments. Not 4 season. That's a decent summer tent with a winter inner. I wouldn't trust that in anything more than a stiff breeze and drizzle. The HH isn't fit for a Yorkshire summer! 😂 The Helm 2 is better than that at over half the price with only a slight weight penalty. That's only fit for summer, and in that case I'd save a load of money and but the mongar 2! Virtually the same tent at 1/4 price.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

There no doubt ‘4 season’ has different meanings in different continents but in the UK we need well built, sturdy tents that keep us warm in winter.

@jamiecrutchley3550 Год назад

Great review mate👍 God knows what’s going on with tent prices nowadays. £700 and you still need to buy more pegs? It seems the other tent manufacturers have looked at Hilleberg prices and assumed they can charge the same. Shame, as it would be a great tent at £400. Anyway, great video

@BackpackingUK Год назад

Think you’re right, but there’s good reason why Hillebergs cost what they do!

@johnpapadopoulos516 Год назад

Great video. You can get very good 4 season tents that are inner pitch first. The Terra Nova Quasar & Mountain Hardware Trango are both bomb proof out & out 4 season tents

@BackpackingUK Год назад

I'm still not convinced a 4 season tent should be inner pitch first no matter how good it is.

@johnpapadopoulos516 Год назад

@@BackpackingUK You’re entitled to your opinion but nearly all fully geodesic tents are inner pitch first & they are the strongest tents you can get.

@barryfullick7981 Год назад

@@johnpapadopoulos516 I owned a Quasar and got fed up with the pain of inner first pitch. Sold it on and bought a Hilleberg Jannu, semi geo' built for the rigours of high mountain use and goes up as one. None of the nonsense of pitching in sideways rain and crawling into a miserrably cold wet inner aftter wrestling a flapping fly into submission. To each their own but Id not willingy go back to the Quasar or anything similar.

@karlbratby4349 9 месяцев назад

But they are are also much heavier and larger pack size than the access, I’m sure it’s not perfect but for its features and weight it’s a good compromise…

@backpackingireland8624 Год назад

Wouldn’t fancy it here in Ireland 😂 There would be a bathtub full of water if I was using. My tuppence worth is what’s 4 seasons? It varies from continent to continent. Uk and Ireland is as severe as your likely to encounter. Even on my summer hiking trips the wind and rain can whip up . Apart from snow load , I reckon when it comes to tents , wind is the biggest factor. I’ve got a Helm 2 and it’s stood up to some harsh conditions. I’m of the opinion it’s basically subjective . Great review lad 🇮🇪👌

@pootlingalong8928 Год назад

You make a good point about the tent not being suitable for the mountain tops in bad winter weather, but even the lighter Hubba NX tents are good and strong enough for winter camping at the lower levels. I’ve had MSR Hubba NX and Hubba Hubba NX for about 10 years now and they’ve withstood some awful weather and I’ve never had any water get inside. I know they tried a different manufacturing method 5 or 6 years ago and it was disastrous, the tents leaked, but I believe they went back to the old ways and all is good again. My experience is they are bombproof in bad weather. Just maybe, as you say, not for mountain tops in the worst winter weather 👍🏻😬

@BackpackingUK Год назад

Agree 👍

@TheWtfnonamez 8 месяцев назад

Great review. Not sure I could justify spending £700 on a tent that comes with missing guy lines and missing tent pegs.

@olafthesn0wman Год назад

Great video. Try the Nemo Kunai 2P. Simular but better and cheaper

@BackpackingUK Год назад

To be honest, I’m not massively impressed with North American tents. European tents are built to last! However, North American tents do excel in warmer weather.

@craigelliott4338 Год назад

It looks like a naturehike but with the extra side poles, which looks good, however, how can you have such a low HH and claim 4 seasons? The naturehike Star River 2 is around the £100-120 mark and its much more waterproof.... crazy world!

@marcjeffreypresents Год назад

Thanks for the review, think 700 notes is way too pricey for that tent

@MINKIN2 Год назад

The poles don't look like they collape down that well. It looks like you're handling a bundle of sticks. I guess that's fine if you plan to carry the tent in it's own stuff sack, but could make it difficult if you want to seperate the tent from the poles and carry all your gear in your rucksack.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

The poles don’t pack well. I’ve tried different ways but they’re very fiddly because they’re all joined together.

@Marksnowden1 Год назад

Thanks so much for your review, I was on the verge of buying the tent as a 4 season tent, great info andy, so what tent would you recommend as a good 4 season tent , obviously the hillebergs are the ones, but looking for one a bit cheaper andy

@BackpackingUK Год назад

The Terra Nova Pioneer 2 and Southern Cross 2 are worth a look. The Tarptent Scarp is great too. Other proper 4 season tents start getting on the heavy side for backpacking with.

@Marksnowden1 Год назад

@@BackpackingUK thanks andy

@robch4414 Год назад

It would be interesting to see how this tent stands up to strong winds with another six or so guylines in play - there's plenty of tie-out points for them at least, which is more than some tentmakers provide!

@BackpackingUK Год назад

Very true, however, I pegged it out really well and it still moves about a lot.

@davidhudson7590 Год назад

I just got the exilir 2 seems great and my first real tent as such Andy I could never afford 700 odd and think if had that much be fjallraven or hilliberg I'd go for

@BackpackingUK Год назад

If you watch my vids, Dave and Brian both have the Elixir 2 and it's been great for them. The only complaint is that it's a bit bendy in the wind but that's it.

@simonward4520 Год назад

4 season inner pitch first for that sort of money is sort of a contradiction. Not so much its slow, its more a case of a fly flapping around in the wind, I will give a sub 2kg weight is very good and does look smart. Spot on review by the way, could not disagree with anything.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

They could have made this tent so much better. Some parts are 10/10 and others 5/10. For over £700 it’s got to be the full package.

@simonward4520 Год назад

@Backpacking UK I was at edale rocks a friend of mine had a OEX fox 1 and I was in a ferrino sling one, guy came over (abit of a gear snob), draped in RAB, and MSR tent, basically looking down at our gear and said we are risking being up in hills, weather came in bad, his tent was flattened and had to bail, we took great joy watching him pack, we did offer to help. Never will touch and MSR tent, over priced under performing gear.

@mrmods7912 10 месяцев назад

How can Any inner pitch first tent,possibly be four season for the UK?

@DrJimCares 5 месяцев назад

Can you pitch it fly first when weather is bad?

@BackpackingUK 5 месяцев назад

Possibly with a footprint.

@Silas-lf4cc Месяц назад

This tent design is ubiquitous now, from really expensive tents like this one to the Naturehike budget tents. I dont really see much difference in the brands other than different fabrics etc, and the design of the poles doesn't seem very robust to me, as in the vestibules aren't supported by any poles and rely on the peg out out points to hold them in place, which means they'd blow inwards in strong winds. Also theyre all inner pitch first, which is a faff in bad weather! I've just bought the Vango Force 10 Nexus UL2, its a brilliant tent. Pitches all in one, lightweight (under 2 kilos) loads of space and a strong design with cross over poles, all this for £250. Thanks.

@Tsamados Год назад

Why do MSR insist on making their inners red? Also why only make the fly a 1200 hydrostatic head for a 4 season £700+ tent?

@BackpackingUK Год назад

There's no excusing the HH rating, that's ridiculous for an expensive 4 season tent.

@DJunclepaul2nd Год назад

Did I see you on Love Island there mate? 🤣

@BackpackingUK Год назад

😂😂😂

@IgnacioGlezCllo Год назад

I’ve not used an Access, been very tempted to buy one, but haven’t. However, on paper, for me, it gets one thing absolutely right and that is the positioning of the doors: they’re no longer ‘mirrored’ but rather ‘rotated’, so you can open one or the other depending on wind direction. This is one aspect I feel much of tent design is lagging on, regarding of fabric specs and pole alloys.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

The design of the tent as in space, doors and vestibules is excellent!

@thatunfitbloke Год назад

I got a second hand hilleberg nammatj for the price of an access 2. I know which I'd rather have. Yes it's heavier, but soooo much better.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

Unfortunately, strong build quality = weight penalty. Some people think Hilleberg owners are just snobs, in reality they just want a tent they can rely on no matter the weather.

@southflyfisher 9 месяцев назад

🤣🤣🤣 MSR Access 2 is an amazing tent. Can attest to its waterproofness in the heaviest Fiordland NZ rainfall. Get a footprint to protect the floor. The fly ventilation vent has a tab to hold it out - have a look. The poles bend which is fine. Tie the fly guys to the same pegs as the tent if required. It’s light, spacious, an amazing tent.

@gazza1858 Год назад

I love MSR tents especially the elixir 2 man I’m looking at the new Tindheim 2 man tunnel tent they’ve just brought out but £700 a no no from me

@BackpackingUK Год назад

I’d definitely wait for the initial reviews to come out 👍

@gazza1858 Год назад

@@BackpackingUK Iv seen the reviews it’s a no from me .

@Pasequale100 2 месяца назад

i have read in a review that the seams of the floor are not taped. 1.Is that true? Isn t that a problem for water proofness? 2. If yes, does that mean that the tent is not good in rainy conditions but more for snow? :(

@BackpackingUK 2 месяца назад

To be honest I can't remember. MSR aren't know for the quality of their seam sealing and often ship their tents with seam sealer. However, from memory this is ok, it's the Hubba's that suffer from it.

@robertmills538 Год назад

Nortent Vern 1 bulletproof 😁

@craig3401 Год назад

I agree it flattens way 2 easy and inner pitch 1st no.the space is great most tents of this design are great for space.700 quid and not enough pegs not right at all and there's not enough guys lines for a 4 season tent.thjs tent should be 3 season and 400 quid.

@Pasequale100 11 месяцев назад

please tell me which tent is better for the money? Msr hubba or nature hike star river or mongar? i need your help please

@BackpackingUK 11 месяцев назад

At the moment the Hubba are rarely in the sale so are not great value for money. If you want a summer tent go Mongar and if you want to do a bit more 3 season camping go Star River or Nebula.

@Pasequale100 11 месяцев назад

@@BackpackingUK thanks a lot dear man.

@Pasequale100 11 месяцев назад

@@BackpackingUK and what do you think about the cloud up 2, with 10D?

@BackpackingUK 11 месяцев назад

Not sure about the 10D, that would be very, very thin but I rate the 20D version 👍

@dudeymcduderson Год назад

I've got the Hubba Hubba NX2 and I love that tent. But that's a 3 season tent and it performs well as one. This is not a four season tent, regardless of what MSR class it as. It's far too expensive and lacks most of the features of a proper 4 season. I have a Fjallraven Abisko Lite 1 as my four season and I have to say that the Fjallraven beats this in every department, and costs less.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

European 4 season tents are in a different league.

@iainbickerstaff7099 Год назад

I’ll take it your selling it then Andy ?or is it just a review . sounds like a marmite tent mixed reviews same people like it, some people hate it.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

I use budget tents for my locals camps and want something I can rely on for summit camps. Unfortunately this isn’t it.

@iainbickerstaff7099 Год назад

The only way your gonna get it mate is by paying for it if you wanna reliable tent for the summit. Does one exist? I hope you find one thanks for your reply

@ryanlzp5374 Год назад

You mentioned that the new Hubba Hubba nx2 has been pulled off production. Where did you hear about this and what was the reason? I'm wondering as I just bought myself a Hubba Hubba and a Hubba nx 1 so is there anything I should be worried about?

@BackpackingUK Год назад

Did you buy the latest version with the carbon poles? It came out spring last year and haven’t seen it since after the bad reviews.

@ryanlzp5374 Год назад

@@BackpackingUK I bought the Hubba Hubba from Elite mountain supplies which seemed to be an official dealer for msr products in the UK and it came with the red aluminium poles. Hubba nx 1 was from addnature but the same situation and both were purchased in the past two months. I think these are both the newest versions as far as I understand because my HHnx2 has the larger floor space. but the US versions come with the syclone poles!

@suewheeler5795 Год назад

Christ I've just bought. HH nx and didn't realise there was an issue with the poles 🙈

@ryanlzp5374 Год назад

@@BackpackingUK I realise now that the versions I have are the 2018 versions as mentioned in the description on EMS. Which version of the Hubba Hubba NX is this? This is the 2018 Hubba Hubba NX version seven (V7), which is the only version available in the UK and Europe for 2022 and 2023.

@Northern_Rockhopper Год назад

@@ryanlzp5374 Same, I bought mine from Elite Mountain supplies too and it was an older model with a 5 year guarantee. 🏕️ seems they’ve tried to tweak it and made it worse with the latest models

@jamiegoodhart7069 Год назад

Many good points, but I will also defend this tent a bit. I spent September in the Himalayas climbing an unclimbed peak. I used the MSR access 2 as an attack tent to save weight. mainly pitched on a glacier. This tent was actually designed for use in snow, not sideways rain and not really for high wind. But it has the insurance, that despite high winds, its poles wont break. Many of the best 4 session tents pitch inner first. Quzars. North Face V25. Tango's, that is not an issue per sea. Inner pitch tents have far far better inners. This is also the case for the MSR. The inside is excellent for long periods (another reason I took it) and taught as a drum. However, it is too small to be a proper 2 person tent (at least for me at 6 foot 4). It is made of very light weight materials won't wear well long term I don't think. I agree it is not a proper 4 season tent. However as a very spacious one person tent. With the added bonus that though it may deform, if caught out in storm you'll be ok. Its extra pole makes a big difference.

@steviesteve750 Год назад

Those composite poles look mighty thin, given the strength / weight of CCF another mm or 2 in diameter would add a lot more stiffness with little compromise in weight. Personally I'd rather invest in a Northen Lite 2

@BackpackingUK Год назад

You're right, they feel really thin and they're very flexy. Whilst filming this video they caved in and it wasn't that windy!

@arranbailey4818 Год назад

Msr poles are so flimsy, I've lost count of the people who have had a problem with them. And there always inner pitch first. They look fantastic and the martials used are always good, but somehow they just fall short for me. Especially when they charge what they do, and in this instance can't even supply you with enough pegs..

@samreagan6292 Год назад

Ughhhhh why doesn’t the inside mesh have the option to seal it off with a zipper, so close!

@BackpackingUK Год назад

They are only small vents and because they are so high, you don't feel a draft. If they did block them out, condensation is likely to be a huge problem.

@bushcraftone7240 Год назад

for over £700 its not great for waterproofing thus not for me i would spent less than £50 and get a decent F1 or F2 french army tent oh wait that's what i did

@AndyWragg Год назад

For £700 I'd expect to have all the guy points strung, a decent spec fly sheet, vent opening 'struts' and have a full complement of pegs. Yet another reason not to buy MSR tents. They should stick to stoves, as the are very good at that.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

Some of their gear is amazing, others so-so. One of those inconsistent brands.

@bimazivanovic4784 Год назад

I find it interesting how companies will claim a inner first tent to be a true 4 season tent,mind you putting such high price tags on them. Inner first to me is a flawed design for anything that costs more than 250$.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

I totally agree! There’s a price point where all expensive tents should pitch inner and outer together.

@RootsLion Год назад

inner ist in uk pointless lol

@BackpackingUK Год назад

If you’re an all-weather camper it definitely is!

@TeslasTeaParty Год назад

I will never buy another MSR tent again. The poles are rubbish and are not designed for winds above 30 mph. Their quality control is poor and their customer service is even worse. It's such a shame because I used to swear by MSR tents, but they are so far away from the great company they once were.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

I’ve heard / seen lots of horror stories about the Hubba Hubba. In fairness 2 of my mates have the Elixir 2 and although heavy, they have survived some really poor weather

@TeslasTeaParty Год назад

@@BackpackingUK tbh with you the elixir is the only one of my MSR tents that has stood up to the British weather! But I don't use it anymore as the pack size is a little bulky for me.

@KatriinaKarlin Месяц назад

I don't understand the meaning of such expensive tents on the market? I think £200 tents also work very well, this is completely a premium for reputation. Go and have a look at Floating Cloud 2, I have bought Lanshan 2 since, the quality of this company is good. A real civilian tent, not a luxury.

@Im_With_Stupid 17 дней назад

You're definitely paying a name brand markup, but you're not paying only for reputation. You're paying for customer support, available parts and repairs, a living wage for company employees, insane business taxation and research and development. See, all those cheap Chinese tents on the market, while they might be good tents, are 99% just copies of designs and technologies that MSR, Big Agnes, Nemo, etc. invested in bringing to the market. If Naturehike and 3F UL had to make those investments themselves, make parts and repairs available, pay ridiculous US business taxes and US/European level living wages you'd be paying $400 to $800 for their tents, too. Even as it is, one of the biggest reason they cost so much less is because the Chinese government is deliberately undercutting western companies to put them out of business, at which point their prices will increase substantially. They're doing a real bang up job of it, too, because so many people don't care where their stuff comes from or why it's so cheap. They care about pinching pennies so they can spend the difference on even more Chinese knockoffs.

@johnrocker2986 Год назад

Ill take the Vango Trefan at half the price.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

That tent would last 10x longer in bad weather!

@stuartdorman2093 11 месяцев назад

Might be a decent tent but inner pitch first I just don't understand the reasoning behind that theory. Let's have a wet tent to get into if it's raining .,.....sorry that's just moronic

@BackpackingUK 11 месяцев назад

I just don't understand why you'd make an inner-pitch first 4 season tent!

@sorrows_touch Год назад

£700 and you don't get enough pegs? Even if I had the money and wanted one I wouldn't buy it just for that

@BackpackingUK Год назад

Classic North American tents. They're all obsessed with weight, to the point where you don't get enough guy lines and tent pegs to pitch your tent properly. TarpTent are just as bad.

@sorrows_touch Год назад

@@BackpackingUK I don't get it, give me everything and then it's my choice if I want to take them with me or not! Maybe they have to simplify it for the Americans 😉 haha

@karlbratby4349 9 месяцев назад

High price but poor waterproofing and lowest permissible in reality, looks flimsy which is a shame but what we expect from MSR in recent years 😢 nice design, good spec inside but can’t risk this tent in true 4 season use

@jimbryan2271 Год назад

Good review again mate but really not convinced/impressed with this. Way overpriced. You’re better off with your Tryfan.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

It's a similar size to the Tryfan. I think it sometimes comes down to build vs weight. Unfortunately you can rarely have it both ways.

@RootsLion Год назад

how flippin much? your mad lol HNY THO lol

@BackpackingUK Год назад

😂

@steveoutdoors6522 Год назад

It’s not for me at that price 👍

@BackpackingUK Год назад

Not for a lot of people, some mid-range tents are shooting up in price!

@DC-nt3zk 2 месяца назад

Nice n roomy only good thing about it. The lipstick red is horrifying the hydrostatic head is absolutely pathetic what are the smoking at MSR

@oldguy8078 Год назад

Sorry. A fan of yours but stopped watching when you mentioned the price!

@BackpackingUK Год назад

No problem 👍

@rickrollins6640 Год назад

Its not an airport mate, don't need to announce departures.

@garyh3228 Год назад

Not worth £200 for 4 seasons it need to be heavy just get a hilleberg

@BackpackingUK Год назад

There’s clearly a trade-off!

@gazza1858 Год назад

No just get a lightwave Hilleberg so overpriced

@therainbowgulag. Год назад

American tents are great for California but not anywhere else. For that money it's Hilleberg all the way .

@carltonbirds Год назад

Nope 👎

@tobiasbourne9073 Год назад

Absolute joke of a tent for £700😂

@BackpackingUK Год назад

£700 is way too much for this!

@barryfullick7981 Год назад

Anyone else wondering if MSR are living on past glories? There was a time when I coveted MSR gear, not any more though. The UK uplands are rarely other than reliably wet n windy so often that its beyond understanding why any tent maker trying to sell into the UK market still makes these silly toy tents that pitch inner first.. And far too much mesh in tje pursuit of light weight. I believe that silly fad originated in Southern California where it is appropriate to the climate, but since we only experience summer roughly once in every thirty years, using that as a construction method is frankly ridiculous for a UK tent. Almost as ridiculous as all the b s about star-gazing through the mesh inner on warm summer nights. One last moan, stop bragging about YKK zips. Apart from a few specialised zips, they are just bog standard mass produced cheap chinese stuff. If you really want good zips source them in Italy. Yes they cost more, but premium priced kit deserves premium components, not the cheapest the makers think tjey can het away with.

@BackpackingUK Год назад

So many brands have now outsourced to Asia. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. What makes me laugh is people who moan about buying Chinese gear (e.g. Naturehike, 3F UL Gear, etc) and preach about human rights, animal welfare and climate change, and yet have no idea 90% of their expensive gear is made in China, India, Vietnam, Taiwan, Thailand, etc, etc.

@Im_With_Stupid Месяц назад

They're not trying to sell into the UK market. They make tents and sell them wholesale to whichever distributors and retail outfitters order them. The tents come with an information package that's going to outline their use primarily in it's main market which, for MSR, is going to be the United States. That means for use outside the US that information either needs to be qualified at the point of sale or the user needs to have some understanding of what they're buying and where it's coming from and based on that what they can reasonably expect in their particular use case. Even in the US there are places and conditions you do not want to use this tent in the winter regardless of what kind of tent it's described to be, but on the whole it's still a good 4 season tent, though there does seem to be an issue with those poles. I mean, you can't simply say "Well, MSR says it's a 4 season tent, so that means it's okay to pop it up on top of this mountain exposed to constant gale force winds and heavy rain and it's supposed to be fine." The same is true when the shoe is on the other foot, too. UK style tents in the US don't come with a warning that they weren't designed to perform well in the average US climate or have their descriptions altered for the US market.