I love how Sophie's mum talks about her. She truly loved Sophie for who she was rather than who she wanted Sophie to be. I hope that I can be a mom like her.
I know right? So beautiful especially when she said she looked quite cool actually. Parents try to change where their children's identities go but encouragement is always the best
Ah, you’re so right ! Embracing someone for who they are, not who you wish they are is such a gift of complete acceptance . Sophie’s mother is an amazingly strong woman. Her response when Sophie came home with her new look and instead of freaking out on her she thought, oh- Sophie’s becoming her true self. Oh I wished my loving mother had that response to me. I’m 55 and she still wishes I was who she wanted me to be.
I agree 100%. I was part of the punk community in my town and my mom was absolutely intolerant of it. She'd throw away merch I'd bought myself and look at me in disgust when I colored my hair or shaved it. She tried really hard to funnel me into the crowd she wanted me in from the time I was in preschool onward. Once I found my place ( the music I loved and the friends I felt whole and loved by) at the end of high school she hated everyhting about it, and it hurt me so badly. (I also didn't tell her I was bi until I was 28 bc of her reaction to simple things like hair color and tshirts lol.) I'm 38 now. I still listen to the same genre and still dress the same (just a little more toned down). My son is 14 and I encourage him finding his own path bc of what my mom did to me. Being accepted by a caregiver is integral to a person's wellbeing and development. I'm glad Sophie was able to enjoy that feeling at home while she was alive. 🖤
For those wondering about her boyfriend and if he survived…he did. But he has a lot of survivors guilt. In interviews he’s often said he wishes he didn’t survive that night. I hope he has a great support system around him because that level of PTSD he has is dangerous.
@Donnell Okafor mannnnnnn no truer words have ever been spoken! I'm wholeheartedly with you on that one! I'd get arrested on purpose to just get in the same facility as them mfrs and the first time i laid eyes on him would be the last time.. I still believe in eye for an eye. If we went back to that crime would damn near STOP !
@The ring man Why don’t you like goths? What does how another person chooses to dress impact your life in any way?? I genuinely don’t understand why it would even effect you 🤷♀️
@@buttercxpdraws8101 There is a minority of goths who torture animals, drink human blood, and do other disturbing things. I've been around goths, so know not many do those things (most are very kind to animals and have pets) - but also know that maybe 5 to 10% do.
I myself was attacked and beaten for dressing like a goth when I was 18. People just stood and watched while I was beaten and kicked. My girlfriend at the time fought back and that gave me a chance to call the police. If that hadn’t happened I could have ended up like Sophie. Rest in peace 🖤
i was attacked too, when i was with my 9 year old son at target, by indiands from india, after the attack the indiands lied to the people around me and my 9 yr old son just because i helped a customer in need of assistance, i'm a punk rocker, 52 yrs old , i ain't no young lad, indiands sure love to lie and to attack and steal, the goverment should deport them, they were gypsies too,........marius(punk rules).
I was 27, goth, and pregnant but in America. It scared me enough at the time to begin to dress "normally "... sadly, it took me over 15 years to get back to being myself. I think of Sophie every time I dress how I want to and stand up for myself and others. Rest in peace, Sophie.
Her mother my God can't say enough tears started when she explained her coming back goth and how she thought it was quiet cool. The strength of this woman. WOW
Right ! She said she was becoming herself. What a true gift of love to be wholly embraced by your mother with that response. Her response stood out to me as unfortunately uncommon and exceptional.
I think that mother is what we all hope we will become for our children or what we hope we had if we are children. She didn’t demonize her child, she was proud her daughter was becoming who she wanted to be:
I totally agree with this. So many parents want to mold their children into themselves, and never let them have any say in who they want to be.This woman is amazing!
When Sophies Mom talked about Sophie being there in her body one minute and then gone the next it hit me hard. That's exactly what it's like. I held my Mom as she died and I didn't so much feel her stop breathing as I actually felt her soul leave her body. You could just sense that she was gone, whatever force or energy made her her left and all that remained was an empty vessel.
Same for me when my grandmother died. I was holding one of her hands and my sister was holding the other and then just all of a sudden she let out one big breath and she was gone, the worst moment of my life, but I wouldn't have changed it for anything because being there with her holding her was the most surreal moment of my life!! I hate to say, but even more than when i had my children. Wouldn't trade it for anything!
I couldn't agree more. As powerful a moment as it was bringing my son into this world, witnessing a life leaving was even more profound. To be there with her and let her know she was safe and loved, that we would be okay and that she could go on ahead without us, that's a gift no one could ever top for me.
I've been a goth since 11, I've also been trampled. As a grown woman who is still a goth I can only imagine what this beautiful girl would've grown up to be if these monsters hadn't stolen these kids lives. She's now a martyr for being your unique self. Nourish creativity don't stifle it.
I can't imagine seeing someone else and thinking I have the right to judge Or punish them, based on anything they Look like. I really can't understand how similarities aren't seen. Since forever people have used make up, tattoos, hairstyles, clothing All to express themselves in some way or another. It doesn't matter if it's a floral dress and curly hair or combat boots and dark hair dye. It's All(artistic if you can see) expression.
@@tracybrown2482 I know. I just can't understand it. To me it feels like there has to be some psychosis or something to be able to feel hate like that, for no reason. I'm capable of hate. I'm probably capable of killing someone. But they would have to be doing something entirely wrong. I can't imagine hating someone for being born. Or for dressing themselves or cutting their hair, or not cutting their hair. Or wearing makeup... Anything like that, someone would have to be kinda psycho to begin with. Even someone Taught to hate can feel something is wrong and tend to try to avoid what situations they can with their parents/teachers of hate. To be comfortable hating someone for nothing, it's mental. And not the quirky glitch kind... The scary cuz nobody knows it's there kind.
I absolutely adore Sophie’s mother and when she described Sophie coming home after changing into a goth like appearance she truly loved Sophie’s new look and that is a beautiful thing.
5:31 I feel like there's a reason she didn't want to be around her mother for six weeks, that's not normal. And it sounds like as a child she didn't go to her mother for help with anything, her mother called that "independent"
@@teacuptoe2143 my son's best friend has been spending summer break at my house for the last three years. She never wants to go home and it has nothing to do with her home life.
@@teacuptoe2143 maybe she was just really close with the girl she was staying with and simply wanted to be over there more? Her mom seemed pretty easy going IDK...
Goths can be the most creative, shy, kind and empathetic people, in part, because they have experienced bullying for just being who they are. There are other reasons and Goths are people with issues like everyone. But I think they’re awesome, and wish I could go full Goth, instead of just during October and at rock concerts. And I’m almost 60…
60 and attending rock concerts? You sound awesome! And hey, you're never too old to become a goth, it's all about the music and you've already done a great job in that department! We embrace you with open arms ^^ ...Also, it doesn't make you any less of a goth if you choose not to physically exert yourself to dress up every single day. Being a part-time goth is totally fine - I mean heck, I'm a part-time goth and that doesn't invalidate my love for the music and the alternative scene. I really appreciate the respect, admiration, and empathy you have towards those in the alternative scene. Much love xx - a goth
@@gravegirl ...Well I suppose it could be to an extent! Goth (goth music) itself originated in the late 70s and early 80s and was derived from the UK punk scene. The word "goth" is a label used to describe people who like the music that ultimately falls under goth and that originated from post-punk. ...And sometimes peoples love for the music does end up blossoming into a somewhat melancholic, blissfully gloomy feeling inside! Other aspects of the goth subculture (fashion, feeling, literature, film, etc) are secondary to the music. Sadness, eccentricity, and difference could bring "goths" together, sure, but the music was (and still is) a key component of unity and togetherness amongst the goth scene. To dress in an alternative way (whether that be in a more edgier style) and to live a macabre lifestyle without listening to goth music would just make you darkly inclined. And there's nothing wrong with that! Sorry for the lengthy comment, but this is just a topic I'm extremely passionate about :D
😪❤😇❤😇❤😪 I know I couldn't be that strong, if anything happened to my daughter! Let alone such an evil deed! My heart breaks to think of what she has had to ordeal with! Such ignorance is unimaginable!😡 R.I.P Dear young lady! 😇💔😇💔😇
@@hairyballing9901 except that's not at all how genetics work though. Diversity in genetics is good for the health of humans and our future on this changing planet. What you are calling "Mudd race" is actually an immensely complex combination of genetic material that couldn't have come about if there wasn't diversity to take advantage of. Natural selection takes care of what fits and what needs to go. Mudd race is inevitable and gives our species a better chance of survival in the long run. The more diverse traits we can introduce to our genome sequence, the better combinations can arise that will help us adapt to the changing environment. Racists can cry about intermixing but it's here to stay and it's good for us. Does this mean it should be shoved down our throats? Absolutely not. There should be no encouragement or discouragement from interracial mixing. Let people be people. Our world didn't populate by remaining static. People moved around and mixed with others, staying in the environment long enough to evolve according to it is why we have different races to begin with. It's not going to stop. Who knows what the Mudd race will even look like? Maybe new surprises are in store for us.
I remember when this happened. I would have been 14? Living in Burnley and part of the goth culture there. There was an overwhelming feeling of grief and fear and anger that hit myself and all of my friends, even though none of us had ever met Sophie. It was just so senseless, and so wrong, and I still can't really comprehend the level of violence shown towards them for no reason. It felt like the entire community in the area didn't know what to say, it felt brushed under the rug somehow, it was all just so very awful and wrong. I know that Sylvia (Sophie's mum) did some amazing charity work, and I am still in awe of her strength and dignity and composure. This whole story breaks my heart.
Wot proper does my head in is this took place in the country that birthed this subculture, and recently, in living memory. Those of us in that first wave are only in our 40’s and 50s. - it’s not like they were the first 2 goths in Texas or something. In 80s it was so widespread and common it was practically mainstream even up where I was round Huddersfield - massive. I still have loose photos kicking around from that time. Wtf. I moved to Canada in the 90’s and still miss home, yet the “home” I knew is clearly dead and gone. I’m just walking the halls as a ghost when I visit and new tenants have moved in. I just feel so angry seeing this. We all got our heads cracked open by skinheads for nothing at all to change? Just the same old apes dressed up in fancy words like inclusion ‘ diversity. Has there been zero progress? Gutted. ❤️🩹
What are you asking us how old you would have been at the time? You're not important, nobody knows who you are. Sorry, just because you look "special" doesn't mean you are. Goth people just look a certain way because they want attention. Well... Sophie got it. Was it worth it?
@@captainthruster9484 Don't act cocky when you're exactly the same as everybody else. In fact, nobody even knew who you were either until you commented just now, Alexander. Sophie was and still is remembered because she had a beautiful soul and was senselessly and mercilessly attacked for little to no reason. Whilst you're remembered because what... ...You got your 15 seconds of attention from a few people because of a ludicrous comment? Also, alternative people choose to dress the way that they do mainly because of self expression or even as a coping mechanism - I haven't heard of many people doing it for attention or doing it for other superficial reasons. And if they do, they don't remain alternative for long. It just becomes a fad and a phase for them. I personally express myself through my alternative clothing because otherwise I find it difficult to express myself through vocalisation. A picture - moreso a style - speaks a thousand words, and gives me a boost of confidence while I'm at it. It's who I am - it's who Sophie was - and I wouldn't want to change that for anything else in the world. Humble yourself, and let her rest god damnit!
Sophie’s mother is an incredible woman, her strength and her determination to forge a legacy for her daughter and for everyone who is different is absolutely admirable. Power to her . Rip Sophie.
She’s an amazing mom 😓 I feel so horribly bad for her !! Those kids need to write her an apology letter and maybe explain themselves a little bit for her sake. All she wants to know is WHY. Why why !? Bc she was “alternative” ??? That’s such a disgusting excuse 🤬😤 God bless Sophie & her momma & the rest of the family 😓
@@korilynn76ify her daughter was 18. Good luck keeping a young woman that age at home if they choose not to be. She did not deserve to die for not wanting to look like everyone else.
@@korilynn76ify you don’t know the ins and outs of their lives or within their relationship with one another so who the heck are you to judge? The lady is literally missing a leg! How do you know she not battling her own issues and had to go home for medication etc. you shouldn’t judge because you don’t know !!!
@ithinkformyself2020. Do You Really ‘think for yourself’? Or is Your ‘thinking’ a byproduct of what you have been taught growing up? Her daughter was a teenager who went to visit a friend and decided to stay for 6 weeks. Her mother was Very Wise in choosing to Not ‘pick this battle’. She knew her daughter well enough, and Trusted their mother/daughter relationship enough, to realize her daughter would return home. They obviously communicated during the 6 week period, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Sophie’s mom was in constant contact with the parents of Sophie’s friend. Otherwise, having zero communication, a parent would contact police to report the child as either missing or a run-away. So, I’m interpreting your comment to mean You would have gone to your child’s friend’s home and pulled her out of the house and forcibly returned her to your home. Good Luck with That! You obviously have No children. If you do, You have not been the mother of a teenager as of the date of your comment. You are thinking like an American. Children in the UK, and the majority of Europe are Not coddled and ‘protected’ i.e. Controlled by their parents like American children. They are given responsibilities and chores at an early age. Many are sent to Boarding Schools and live away from home from a young age. This helps children to become independent, critical thinkers, mature, and develop both a self-respect and respect for their parents and elders. These children are also very confident in themselves and their abilities. Did she stay at the hospital 24/7? No. Do we understand the ‘rules’ of visitation in socialist medicine hospitals? No Again. The mom did state the nurses said Sophie was stable and to come back tomorrow. Don’t throw arrows you can’t retrieve without knowing all of the facts. Your Words, filled with self-righteousness and hatred, are the arrows. You have Zero idea what this mom has gone through and continues to go through. How Dare You spew your disdain and criticism at her. It would be interesting to see how well you hold up walking 1/4 mile in this woman’s shoes. Gotta love your lack of compassion & empathy.
I do admire Sophie's mother in making something good out of this tragedy, instead of diving into sorrow for the loss of her baby. I surely would like to meet her someday.
@@MetaMortis21 She transformed her sadness into will to help and inform, to avoid what happened to her daughter to be experienced by others, truely a remarkable woman. But i also understand your point of view, grieving is something personal, some cry and are depressed for an extended period of time, others fake being unaffected, and some, like here help others to help themselves.
Growing up in a small town as a punk rocker, I’ve definitely faced my fair share of fights and harassment from closed minded people. Most of the time I would ignore them but if they came up to me I would fight back. I know that’s not always the case but sometimes you gotta defend yourself. I feel for this girl and what she and her friends went through with these monsters. RIP.
There is a song by the group Delain that is actually a tribute to Sophie Lancaster. It's called, "We Are the Others." The video even has a picture of her at the beginning.
I just listened to it and watched the video and thank you for telling everyone about it. Anyone who has every felt like an outcast or even slightly different should listen to this song. Awesome tribute to Sophie!
Sophie looked liked a small child in the photos taken in the hospital... so weak & vulnerable. It brought me to tears. I can't imagine the heartbreak her parents have been through, & will continue to go through til their lives end. Her mother is a lovely, strong lady- to put on a brave face for this program & for building the organization in Sophie's name, & going around to spread the word of acceptance instead of intolerance. I just wish those nasty, evil little bastards who hurt her & her bf could be kept in jail much, much longer. My condolences, best wishes, & prayers go out to the family & friends. I hope Sophie's bf, Rob, has been able to heal & move on from the injuries, & the heartbreak of losing his beloved Sophie. Living his best life is the best way to honor her memory, & to show the perpetrators that they didn't totally break him. Also, I give credit to the young girl who risked getting hurt herself to call the emergency services. She had to have been terrified those boys, even though they were friends, might notice her talking on the phone & turn their violence her way. Unfortunately, poor Sophie was just too badly injured. I'm sure that girl will live with the horror of that night for the rest of her life.
@@erkaderka3571 That's perhaps the saddest part about this. Sophie and her boyfriend, and even Sophie's two attackers, were all just little children once, not yet sure of themselves or what they would grow up to be. If only things had turned out differently.
@6:05 ... the mom describing seeing her daughter with dyed hair/heavy make up ... I was waiting for her to say "she looked scary, weird, etc" but my heart stopped when she said "she looked quite cool, really, she was herself" and it made me cry. I dont know why. Maybe because I hope more parents will be like this in the future.
@@juratory8876 Yeah! He’s eligible for parole THIS month! Also, he was caught creating profiles and flirting with young women on online dating sites - while he’s still in prison for this poor girls murder!!!
I hope they never get out. I would be afraid for anyone who has to live near them. They are and will be untrustworthy for the rest of their lives. They don't deserve sentiment of any kind except that which you would show murderers. I'm so sorry for your loss.
People like these should be put down instead of prison for how ever long. They kill a dog who bites someone----they should kill people who take innocent lives. (Jan Griffiths).
What a great mother. Parents should be more accepting and supportive of their children like she was of Sophie. I loved how she said that she came home looking cool. That warmed my heart!
The Sophie Lancaster Foundation is still going strong. I just bought a tee-shirt online. I was once a young Goth named Sophie. Now, I guess, I'm an old one. I also fell madly in love and married young. It' s sad that boring basic idiots, with nothing good to give to the world, will just give out their hate to anyone who isn't just like them.
the only problem is that.... the way this case is handled, it solves no problem. this is being portrayed as a "hate crime" and that is just wrong. the reality of the matter is very complex here. and this particular group would have attacked anyone in range that particular evening. nice to hear there is a foundation, but... i doubt the foundation actually helps with the real problem. also... that "married young" stuff. totally off topic 😂 but hey, more power tot you, lol. nice username btw, safron sugar. it has resonance.
I remember this when it happened. I was in the goth scene, even self-employed as a clothing designer. I remember she tried to protect her boyfriend. My heart just broke that anyone could do this to another human being.
My deepest sympathies for Sophie's mother, her friends and her soul from across the world.. There's no words to fully describe this sort cruelty and no words to fully empathize with the pain.. My heart hurts for you.
When I was in my early 30’s, my husband and I traveled to New Orleans every summer. On one particular vacation at nighttime, we ventured away from Bourbon Street, which is the main street where all the jazz bars are. We had walked maybe two blocks when a young man stopped us and warned us. He said the direction we were headed was a risky area. We thanked him and turned around. There are still good people out there willing to intervene and keep others safe.
I was a punk in rural America where my friends and I were often threatened because of our look. Usually it was we who were asked to leave places for our own safety instead of the bullies. This was in the late 1970’s. Sad to think how little things have changed.
That's just a free ride and don't have to work a day in ur life, end up making friends and just chill the rest of ur life. Its bs.. they ought to get the same damn thing they gave her.
@@davidhollyfield5148 ??? Life with 18 years minimum (and that's WITH the judge extending minimum bit) is NOT "25·years" 🤷 edit:. PS you're right though, "life" doesn't mean til "end·of·life." It's such an oxymoronic statement when they give those sentences... 😕
@@dudelebowski8629 G'day, that's good. Same down here. LWOP ..life without parole is specific. Without the stipulation of "no parole" in actual terminology of a final sentencing, it's : "LIFE" but perpetrators getting the chance for eventual possible parole. I was just reckoning that including the word "life" at ALL, in the sentencing of violent people, must be SO frustrating for victims' families (as in the case here). LWOP ensures a criminal actually stays IN there; but if sentence isn't specific (like THIS case) it's actually kinda offensive to even BOTHER using "life" in the wording... (Either way, length of incarceration with THIS case wasn't enough, in my opinion..)
I'm a 36yr old black woman when I went to high school altho I loved my r n b music and fashion my best friend was so called goth white chick and she was bad (as in hot 🔥) for my white folks as she wanted to be all I seen was a beautiful girl and we were beautifully different I wish more ppl could look past the vast difference between ppl and learn to love us because we are all not the same sorry for the rant
As a person who dresses alt, this hit close to home. How can someone justify in their minds beating someone to death for what? Innocent self expression? The real monsters don't wear their darkness on the outside.
I hope the girl who made the call for help continues to stand up for what's right her whole life and inspires others to step up even if noone else around you will.
My daughter could be called a goth, she doesn't identify as one at all but has been assaulted for no reason twice, glared at, laughed at, abused and had religious nutjobs spray paint "satanists" on their house. (they spelt satanists wrong which is hilarious) but yeah, this is awful. What is wrong with so many people.
Sounds like your daughter may be "alternative" , dark clothes and such? Because "goth" is a very specific culture. I'm sorry those things happened to her. Luckily more and more of us young alternatives are growing into adult hood and finding community with each other
Some people are just born evil and murderers. They have no respect for others, the way they choose to dress, their beliefs, their personalities, the way they choose to live. Sophie, and everyone else, have a right to live. I hope those murderers spend the rest of their lives rotting in jail, and hopefully while they're in jail, they will realise how much pain they caused to Sophie and her parents and others, and live with that regret forever. RIP dear Sophie.
I feel we should look at the family of those killers as well. Taking your underage children to a pub and giving them alcohol? Come on.. Parents should be partly responsible for the crimes their children do- especially when it's already known that they care badly for the children. RIP Sophie ❤
Like everyone else has said; i'm just happy sophie had her mother there for her no matter what stage of life she was at. I know a few "parents" that would discourage their daughter from dressing like Sophie and try to encourage boring basic views. But it was genuinely heartwarming hearing how much her mother loved her sense of self and everything about it because i rarely see moms like her these days. They exist, but much like sophie was, they're all one of a kind
Sorry for your loss It is always tragic to see such blind hatred and stupidity steal away the life of someone who deserved to live more than their attackers.
Turns out that the self processed and self declared "epitome of civilized behaviour" , the UK is actually fake and pretentious. It's equally as backward , narrow minded , uncivilized as it shows others to be. *Perhaps little more*
I was a “punk rocker “ kid in St. Louis, MO. In the early 1980’s. As a young girl,i my friends and i were chased by what back then we called Hoosiers- usually poor, white, blue collar people who lived in the south city location of the city- threatened, assaulted. A couple friends got trapped and surrounded in a phone booth and had to call another friend to get out of bed, drive up and chase off the aggressors with a baseball bat so they could escape. We, as a group, we’re also targeted and harassed by the police. Sometimes, I tell young punks, goths, etc that my friends and I got chased down and assaulted so that they’re now free to walk about looking how they want to look and they are always aghast, in disbelief that my friends and I suffered such threats. It’s beyond disheartening to hear that 30 years later, that’s still a thing. After a couple decades living in San Francisco and Los Angeles , I thought that society had overall moved beyond singling out “others”. I’m always shocked with the reality that as a whole, we have not moved beyond violence against “others”. Still so much work to be done . Maybe some peoples minds simply cannot be lifted out of hate and personal insecurities. What a horribly boring world it would be if we were all the same : With near sameness, haters would still find something to separate themselves from and find fault with “others.” The world lost a gem when we lost Sophie.
I was a grunge kid in the 90's in south St Louis. I went through the same thing but we fought back. Some people don't have the ability to fight back of course but I don't think it has changed there even today
As a resident of Indiana and a fan of U of INdiana "Hoosiers" basketball, I'm offended by your use of that term and your other prejudicial phrase "poor, white, blue collar people." Your comment is as prejudicial as if you were describing blacks and/or other working-class people.
I experienced identical situations in my hometown of Mason City Iowa (north central near the Minnesota border), in lepoard print, stiletto-heeled boots, and a 16" brush-cut mohawk. It was terrible being surrounded by 5 complete strangers, ending up on the pavement, wondering if that tree/car/building nearby will be the last thing that you ever see! BOGGLING.
An advice to teens, learn to walk by your own, I quit gangs at the age of 14 because I refused to do harmful actions against innocents, I 'm 50 I don't regret one bit of my decision of hanging with the wrong crowd, I had never been in trouble with the law, and I 'm proud of the little things that I achieved, because they were earned decently.
Wish more parents could be like her mom. When I have kids I’ll let them express themselves however they want unlike how my own parents were. Love how she just said “wow she came in looking cool and coming into her own”
Truly accepting your child as who they are is so vital and has an effect on every aspect of their being, especially self esteem. It also gives parents a chance to learn and grow- a win win if you ask me. Sophie's mom is incredible and I'm so happy that she at least had her mother's acceptance during her short time here. Rest easy, beautiful Sophie🖤✨
Jesus…when the mom said “She’s becoming who she should be” hit my soul, my mom loves me but it’s obvious she doesn’t like my style or the things i like (i still love her truly) so i needed to hear that :( being discouraged to express myself in the ways i want fueled my personality disorder (already pre-disposed) and the identity crisis i’ve been having for years. we need more moms like her. parents/future parents, i know some of the phases kids go through are weird or strange, but just let them please. if you’re super concerned, talk to them and don’t judge them maybe try therapy if their phase is dangerous. personality disorders are just as dangerous, they’re so mentally draining, and they’re most likely going to pile on top of other disorders like anxiety, depression, ADHD, bipolar, etc. hardly anyone has just one disorder if they’re diagnosed so the least you can do to help is let them dress how they want, listen to the music they want, etc.
I hate when excuses are made for animals like this once you're able to kill you should no longer be considered a child you should receive the same exact punishment as an adult and never be set free again
Children are a result of their genetics and environment. Their brains aren’t fully formed and therefore should be subject to punishment separate from adults. Many child offenders, when placed in a supportive and caring environment with mental health care make astonishing turn around. I think all children should be given the opportunity for a second chance.Not necessarily given a second chance , but reaccessed after being helped and evaluated by professionals to determine if they e been rehabilitated. It’s not the fault of a child if they’re born into an environment ( parents ) that breed hate and violence.
@@janetshew5028 well one of these monsters beat a nurse and threatened another one inside so obviously all the support in the world did nothing for this hater. That will still let him out which is ridiculous.
@@janetshew5028 when I was 12 years old. I knew that beating someone badly could lead to their death. It was a clear decision not to do it. A person who kills *especially with such a stupid reason* and is over 12 years old should be put in jail for life. Or also killed. U can't be out here defending animals. They Ran back and killed Sophi. Their intentions was clear. Stop making excuses for evil people they don't deserve any pitty. When a person runs away from a crime scene they know very well that they were not supposed to do what they did. It's a clear and conscious decision they took and knew it's effects. They were not provoked not attacked .
Imagine murdering a woman for absolutely no reason, getting arrested for murder and then cracking jokes about how you kicked her head like a football while being transported by the police?! There is something so deeply wrong with that boy.
Very sad story. I'm very sorry for your loss. I have a lifelong love of reading myself. No one deserves this treatment by a group of hating teens. Senseless killing.
It is primitive, tribal, ignorant, stupid and often taught directly or indirectly by the offenders parents. Small children interact and play with each other without concern to skin color, clothing or appearance, therefore in my opinion, hatred of “others” is a learned behavior.
Sophie’s mom and Sophie herself, I will always keep you in mind as I go on teaching as a nurse. You should write a book. It’s such a strong story and message and I’ve only been in the UK once. I’m from NYC and we don’t experience hate crimes like that here. Sure, with exception, but not like this. Your daughter is a legend now. Someone needs to write her book 💕❤️
the parents should be in jail for raising reprehensible monsters. You have child, it's your job to raise that child to be able to function in society.. Dog owners who have pets that attack people are responsible. Less accountability than a dog owner. I'm appalled.
The dog get put down and the owners get a fine I think ur confused on how that part works and secondly no matter how well you raise your child something about his brain can be wired different then normal people. Look at the parents who did nothing but love and care for there child and he told them he wanted too r*pe his sister so they complete disowned him
Every time you watch tv, talk at the dinner table, walk down the street and point and make fun of people, your kids are watching you. They learn that its ok to do this. This is how these kind of criminals are made. They learned it ok to mistreat people that do not fit their aesthetic and ideals. Its disgusting and the case here is extreme, but you can see it daily. I see parents talk trash about kids at the playground or comment on people walking down the street and laughing. I do not like everyone either.. And I am a human and also think my part. Its not always altruistik or nice..just do not do it obviosly and demonstrative.
Yeah. The parents are, to some extent or another, also responsible for this tragedy. It all starts at home, with the parents. There are some cases wherein it’s out of the parents’ hands, but ultimately I really doubt that this town was ever as idyllic as it’s made to appear, given that these attitudes and ideologies were allowed to fester such that it resulted in a death.
I wish my parents were more like Sophia’s mom. She’s so supportive. She definitely deserves an award for mother of not just the year but of all time. When I was attacked for being different I was sexually assaulted, beaten, stabbed and left for dead. Both my parents accused me of doing something to trigger my attack. They didn’t want to go to the police even though we had him confessing on tape. When I had my daughter at 18 I promised her that I would always have her back. I try so hard to be exactly like Sophia’s mom. I know that can be really difficult at times. So I applaud her so much for being so supportive and inclusive. Sophie was very lucky to have a mom like that. I hope the boys that committed this horrible crime feel in their hearts that what they did was monsterous and they change. Because one day they’re gonna get out and I pray that they never do this to another person’s child.
This woman is so incredibly strong. Sophie is, and was very lucky to have a mother like Sylvia. This is such an unfortunate situation, and Sophie should still be here. Although I am glad that her, and her bfs attackers got long sentences it still doesn't bring back this poor girl. May she be resting in peace. ❤️
My 27 year old daughter was goth back in the day. There were only a few in the school/town. She went through some bullying and harassment. Lost her older sister to cancer in 2019, I'm not sure how one handles something like this. But one clearly does like Sophie's Mother, family, friends and boyfriend. RIP Sophie 💔
I remember this story and and it is so sad that this happens. I can't imagine being the parent of a child getting killed. It must also be horrible to be the parent of the child doing the killing always blaming yourself and also being hated for something your child did.
Turns out that the self processed and self declared "epitome of civilized behaviour" , the UK is actually fake and pretentious. It's equally as backward , narrow minded , uncivilized as it shows others to be. *Perhaps little more*
I’d posit that some of those parents are equally responsible for instilling and enabling these sorts of beliefs and behaviours in their children. Sometimes it’s out of one’s control to enough of an extent that incidents may happen, but a deliberate murder out of bigoted hatred? I think the town was never as idyllic as it’s made out to be, if it was able to foster that sort of ideology, even in the shadows.
At the time of Sophie's death, I had started to discover 'Goth' in high school and when the news broke, I remember my parents and grandparents desperately begging me to change how I look because they were scared I'd be attacked too. This wasn't just me but also all of my friends and because my town is only a couple away from Bacup, it was very big news. I had older friends who knew of Sophie and once her wonderful mum began to campaign, everyone I knew who was into this lifestyle all rallied behind it. Even to this day, it is still very big!
They didn't kill her for the reason they said, they just wanted to kill someone, and probably thought they were low risk victims per their appearance. Then when they got caught they felt they had to give an excuse/reason as to not expose their lack of emotions and morality. I would say probably born with that inclination and their environment just didn't help in any way to develop them.
Rest in peace Sophie.💗 My thoughts and prayers go out to her family and loved ones. As humans, we share 99.9% of our DNA with each other, how anyone can focus so intensely on that .01% of our DNA that makes us unique individuals is mind-boggling. Such a senseless and heinous murder. 💔
Such a horrific and tragic event. What a beautiful young lady, who lost her life for absolutely no reason. God bless her mother and sister, friends and family for suffering through this maudlin act. I will pray for you all.
and just think usually the goth thing is just a temperary faze for a couple grades or something not usually your whole life spending, yeah it dose hit home because imagene what she would have been when she was older?
These kids are not products of their environment or born that way because other people live in the same conditions and are productive members of society, these murderers made choices of their own free will.
Honestly, bless this mother. She's such a sweet and strong person. Lots of respect for her. I'm sure Sophie's short years on earth were filled with her mother's love, acceptance and admiration.
What an amazing beautiful girl who was murdered by ignorant thugs....deepest condolences to the family and friends of Sophie kudos to the young girl who bravely made the 999 call. I hope her Mum and boyfriend can find peace ❤
This is a great series I've been listening to the last few months and unlike so many other True Crime Story tellers and podcast, they all do the same stories and they are all repetitive it's so refreshing to hear new story that I've never heard of so thank you for being an awesome True Crime program💋
I saw an interview where my ex-favorite actor Cillian Murphy said that he doesn't care what his kids do as long as they're not goths... It broke my heart that he would say something so stupid and I don't like him anymore... I hope he sees this s*** that he's perpetuating
I LOVE Sofie’s mom!!! “She’s becoming who she should be” & “looking quite cool actually”! She looks so proud also! She truly was absolutely a beautiful girl even & specially with her “difference”!
It really infuriates me when I hear these ridiculous psycho analyzers making any kind of sense to that crap. When someone BEATS someone to DEATH it takes time and energy and the evil to continue doing so. They have absolutely no excuse at all and should get death penalty.
how interesting, it infuriates me when scientists are trying to understand things and make progress in the study of mankind for everyone's benefit and someone says they are trying to provide excuses. Your opinions are not better than their knowledge, and I'd wage you don't really, actually, truthfully know what "evil" is, you only think you do.
I love how with all these killer documentaries from the UK they focus a lot of the psychology of the victims and also the killers. It’s much more intelligent and empathetic than then documentaries from the US where I’m from where it’s more and eye for an eye and they don’t see the killer as a human being too or what led them to do what they did.
My neighbour witnessed a deadly assault, when she was a mid teen. It still traumatise's her to this day, 30 yrs later. How anyone could stand by & do nothing or "Encourage" an assault of this magnitude, is beyond my comprehension. I'm glad the b.f recovered physically, but im sure he suffers mentally, just the survivors guilt would eat at him. I am so sorry this happened to them both! 💔 Never stop being who you truly are. The world needs to change, Not You!!! R.I.P 💕💕💕
This one hit me hard when it happened. I was young, goth. I was constantly harassed and bullied by strangers. This broke my heart and now that it's fashionable to never discriminate against anyone and we have a lot of people who jump on the bandwagon...I will never forgot the cruelty certain people are capable of. I've never stopped thinking of Sophie and still follow the S.O.P.H.I.E facebook page etc.
I agree. I never would of considered myself Goth but I had a huge group of friends that were. They were my favorite people in school. My best friend I dunno of you would consider her "goth" but she could def play the part and I think she is beautiful. Our styles are so differnt. Nothing could chnage the love I have for her. I stopped labeling people a long time ago people are people. goth, punk, prep, skater whatever..... I have been friends with them all and they were all amazing. All of them beautiful and comfortable within thier own looks.
Her momma’s strength & determination is so incredible. So much beauty out of such devastating heartbreak. Rest In Peace, Sophie. You were too beautiful for this world.
Such a tragedy. The sentence was way to weak in my opinion. Also believe more people should have been charged, even those who stood by and did nothing.
My mother knew Sylvia Lancaster as she was part of the goth scene in the UK, She always has described her as one of the most intelligent,caring and brave individuals she's ever met.
It is so maddening that this day and age, these hate crimes are still happening. It makes me sick to my stomach and as a parent makes me scared. My heart goes out this brave young womans family and friends. She gave her life cause she was not going to leave her boyfriend there alone. She wanted to help him. My heart also goes out to her boyfriend. I can just imagine the PTSD and survivours guilt he must be dealing with. I hope he has a great support system and is seeking help. And I hope he knows that she would not want him to feel guilty.
