I know this is an old video so you probably won't see this ,but this was a damned nice video. I just found your channel and I'm enjoying the hell out of it!
Joel Ohms Hey Joel Justin is one of the most genuine people on RU-vid if you haven’t done so also check out his WolfeCustoms Facebook page As well if you like these kinds of videos Survive Without is another Awesome channel
Thanks for the video. A tip regarding the water pouch kit. I use a ss (gsi) cup, stanley cook pot and put a 32 oz Guyot BACKPACKER (tapered) SS water bottle in that. They all nest together and you have the dual water bottle and ss cooking option. They all fit in the water pouch nicely. And I also pack the sawyer mini water filter (additional 16 oz water pouch) for emergency use. Depending on your setup, you may be able to put the gsi cup on TOP so no "tight fit" and ripping issues. I wish all the best to you and yours.
I love the MSR Seagull pots also. I have the 775 ml which nests perfectly around those new inexpensive Chinese gassifier stoves. That pot will also slide into an old Crown Royal bag with draw strings to make a perfect cook set package. Thanks for the video.
i like both cook sets too. i'm also a huge fan of the MSR stowaway pots, too. i use the following MSR stowaway pots: 1.1L, 775ml & the 475ml. i wanted to offer this about the 475ml pot... it's capacity is just under 2 measuring cups. i use the 475ml pot as a coffee kit. i prefer real coffee and don't care for instant coffee. i'm a bit of a coffee head and i want REAL coffee on the trail no matter what. in the 475ml pot i store a 4 cup plastic coffee maker basket, coffee filters, coffee, creamer & sweet n' low. boil your water in the 475ml pot, pour the water into the 4 cup plastic coffee maker basket, place the plastic basket over your large cup and you have REAL drip coffee on the trail. easy to clean... just burn the coffee filter in the fire and wipe-out the basket. another MSR stowaway pot tip: the 475ml pot will store inside of the 1.1L MSR pot if you choose. however, the 775ml MSR pot will not fit in the 1.1L pot (will not fit). the 475ml pot will not store in the 775ml pot (won't fit). if you are considering the MSR stowaway pots i highly personally recommend them. i have used them extensively for years and i would say no matter what type of cooking you are going to do that these pots are excellent...very tough, very durable, very packable. they stand up to use on a fire and also heat very very well with an alcohol stove. very high quality cookware IMO. if i were someone wanting to buy just one MSR stowaway pot i personally would select the 1.1L (not to big, not too small - lots of things already in your pack can be placed inside of the pot making the pot really take up no extra space at all.. just my opinion for what it's worth). everything depends on you only.
I have the canteen kit and my pardner has the cup kit. We both love our kits for our own reasons. You are right, I fell in love with the bag on the canteen kit. I carry it packed all the time. One of the handiest things I have gotten in awhile. Thanks for another great video
I would love to own anything and everything Pathfinder, but aspects of this vid are much more in my budget/price range. I have developed my first cook kit based off your strong and creative recommendations of the stanley cook cup, combined with the $5 walmart cup and a 32 oz powerade bottle. Maybe one day things will be different but right now, like many of us, I have kids to feed, a wife and ex-wives to feed, mortgage payments, property taxes, student loan and tax debts to pay, etc. Thank you for all you do and keep the good stuff coming, brother!
***** Hi Justin! I was finally able to make a video of my own cook kit, based highly off of your nice recommendations . Your channel, kind advice and helpful spirit are a real inspiration to my channel. If you have the time, feel free to stop by and check them out. Thank you again, my friend! -Dave
I agree 100% on the steel grill, and if you combine the two, attach the condor bottle pouch to the larger cook set bag, now you're good to go, eliminate anything that causes you grief and go with things that work.
Great video my friend! My wife purchased the bottle stove last Christmas. I have never had the circular mesh one. I can tell from seeing it that I would feel the same as you. That being said, I love the newer model. I use it with a Tranga alcohol burner. If I know that I am going to use a fire, I bring the one that you use. I did have trouble with my water tipping over when I first started using it. When I saw Dave at the Gathering a few years ago, I was laughing with him about the time it tipped over twice and almost put my fire out. He told me to smash it into coals with my boot. ( as obvious as that was, I hadn't tried that!) lol Low IQ I guess. The first time that I did that , I bent the top of the stove in. Rob gave me a new one, but I liked the heavier stove that comes with the Nalgene canteen system. It is much thicker. BYW I WILL BE SEEING YOU GUYS THIS WEEKEND. CANT WAIT. GOD bless. John
When using your condor put your cup and bottle in a nylon stuff sack and it will slide in and out with ease. I have and use several different kits and they each have a different purpose depending on what type of trip I'm on. I like to have options. Nice review. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy & be safe.
I agree with you 100% .I love the MSR pots. I have the smaller one now and plan to get the larger one like you have so that my smaller one will nest inside it.. I don't have a need for stainless water containers because I will have two awesome containers to boil water in anyways, so I opt for a standard widemouth Nalgene bottle for my water storage and a bladder in my pack as well..
Good review. I have a preference for the Swedish cook set. Mainly because the lid is the cup/skillet/dish etc. It holds everything needed to get a fire started and also holds a water container and water treatment tablets,spork etc etc :). My preference may just be because I grew up using one and I'm so used to that system that I don't need to change it.
Great video. All the kits look good. I have several different kits and use different ones each time I go out. but I have to say my canteen cook kit is always going to be my go to kit. I am not going to call it my favorite because there is so many different options with each one and each has its own reasons I like it. Thanks for sharing. Robert
I have a cheap copy of the maxpedition/condor bottle holder, it is a great piece of kit, i use a small drysack to put my cook kit inside it with, it all slides out really easy using that... Keep the videos coming, all the best!
Great cook systems bro, and agree with all you have said. I clean my pots that they are not messy or sticky. I dont mind them being black, as you said they absorb the heat better if black. Great vid and alot of info to share. thanks.
I had all the same problems with the bottle set. Pitched the stove filed the cup handle brackets and bought the aftermarket lid. The next generation set has addressed all of these problems. New stove, new cup, lid included. If I had to choose between the two for camping I would choose the canteen kit hands down. That said I use the bottle all day every day. Metal bottles are "in" right now so you don't get the funny looks that you would carrying a canteen. That makes it a good value for me. Also if I make an unplanned hike the bottle is already gonna be with me. What you have with you is always better than what is sitting at home.
Very nice and compact cook sets, much in similarity to my own in terms of concept and useage philosophy. Managed to get one of those Stanley Adventure Cook sets here in the UK too, they are rarer than hens teeth over here, and as you rightly pointed out the lid is a perfect fit for the Tatonks folding handle mug! All the best and a Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!
Hey Justin, I have both sets, the smaller kit, they really suggested to me was for alcohol burners, or trangia burners. I really like the bottle and cup but if you put the cup over the bottle I found it's easier to get it out... still rips the bag tho getting it out but it's easier. I found that an Emberlit stove in the larger pack with the bottle and cup from the small set leaves me enough room for tea,coffee and soup pack and my Zebra Pot 14mil works for cooking my meal at the end of the day and is in my pack with my food(spices in the pot). ATB Louise
It looks to be too late for your Condor H20 pouch, but I resolved the problem of the cup being too tight and not being able to get it out without trouble. As a matter of fact, I use the GSI Outdoors Glacier Stainless Bottle Cup/Pot with a 40 oz Klean Kanteen Wide Mouth Bottle. The GSI cup is just a touch wider the Pathfinder cup and even harder to remove. So I put my cup and bottle inside an old tubesock. They slid right in and all you have to do is grab the top of the sock and tug and they come out with no problem at all. Also the Kleen Kanteen is a little loose nesting inside the GSI cup so I cut off the very bottom of another tube sock and put it on the bottom of the bottle and now it fits snug. The sock itself will also come in handy on a hot day by getting it wet before you put the water bottle in it and hang it under the shade of a tree with a breeze on it. It will keep the water 20 degrees cooler then the outside temp. I don't really worry about a lid because I use a emberlit stove that burns wood. Also that setup is my emergency backup/day hike cooking instraments. My regular cooking instraments are a 14 CM Zebra Billy can and a GSI Outdoors Pinnacle 8-Inch Frypan. I'm big and eat alot of food at one sitting.
Nalgene makes a 32oz stainless steel water bottle with a slightly tapered bottom that nests inside the Stanley Adventure Cook Kit cup. Both the Stanley cup and Nalgene bottle will then nest into the space saver cup. Makes a great piece of kit.
Great video. And the answer is{:mix and match for what works best for you. The used look is most reassuring as it shows that you have used the kit. The Alcos nesting two pot and lids set is a reasonable option along a used plastic drink bottle for young folk / get home bag / cache set. Dave's new round water bottle stove is like the cup, punched holes in the bottom and nests on top of the canteen. Do your own research because good quality cup / stove / water bottle / cook set will last a lifetime. [My 14 year old son chose a Trangia cook set, I could not fault his research so I paid for it. He still has it 20 years later.] For me, I have cooked more than 2000 meals, made far too cups of coffee and warmed water for field shave n sponge bath in a GI canteen cup. SS items are better quality than aluminum and genuine GI items are far better than Chinese knock-off copies. This video shows high end quality options that over time prove to be the cheapest per time used. Note the very good point of keeping the next meal packed in with the water bottle / cook kit: quick, easy meal, less mess and no main pack opening. Thank you for your video
Happy Thanksgiving. As always good advice. Choose what works for you depending on the circumstances at the time. Rare that a "once size fits all" actually does that. May come closer to fitting the average, but not much that isn't "average". Like the looks of pots and other gear that have seen usage. Lets us know that it has stood the test of time. Plus, well seasoned cookware always seems to perform a little bit better. Remove soot? Yes. Remove the stains? No need to scrub (abrade) off natural seasoning that enhances performance. (BTW, one of my hobbies is restoring old cast iron & carbon steel cookware.)
Concerning nesting: The Nalgene stainless steel Backpacker model DOES nest inside the tapered contours of the Stanley Pot (just in case you wanted to pair those two items).
I took that cheap ring and wired it tight to the side of my Kleen Canteen and attached a wire bail to the ring. It works better as a bottle holder than a stand for fire.
I really enjoyed your cook set reviews, Justin. I just saw a RU-vid video from Jamie Canterbury advertising a Gen 2 Bottle Cook Kit that has an upgraded bag that solves the problem of the tight fit of the Condor bag. Also, it has no liner to get caught and ripped. It looks much better and if I had it, I'd be glad to use it. I do think that I agree with you, though. I like the canteen kit bag better as well. The bag itself is more multipurpose, like a mini haversack. Thanks for the great video!
not sure if anyone else has already suggested it, or if you've already tried it but, when it comes to your bottle kit, I find it easier to nest the cup ON TOP of the bottle, not BELOW it. easy in, easy out... shouldn't tear anything, although I don't know the situation with those handles, if the sharp bit is on both sides. hope this helps. happy holidays.
Hello great vid, don't worry about what people. I use the crusader cooking unit and I did a few mods on it. It's on my channel if you want to have a skeet. Take care. Craig.🇮🇲👍
I have the generation 3 trail pro cook set and it comes with a fantastic alcohol stove and a bottle stove I don't recognize and don't have. I have a bottle stove that works fantasticly. I have a alcohol stove that stays burning for more than an hour with less than 8 ounces of 91 percent alcohol in it.
As alway great video. I would love to have that MOLLE bag for my Pathfinder Bottle set and I hope to get one in the coming months. And I do believe the Pathfinder Canteen set is about $30 more than the bottle set. Anyways yeah, MSR Seagull is the way to go and the Stanley cookset is a Very budget friendly option with the $5 SS nesting cup.
I love your vids mr.grier. Dont know why i didnt subscribe earlier. Im in the market for a nice all around cook kit that can nest well, fry, cook ramen noodles which takes a good 4.5 cup pot (i know im probably gonna get alot of mess for putting ramen noodles in this comment but i always have ramen in the bush with me its cheap, quick and easy) and that msr pot seems like a good deal for me with the shallower pot so you can fry on the bottom or the lid. This video actualy helped me alot mr. Grier, ive been gettin real tired of hoarding cook gear
12-14 CM Zebra Billy can and a GSI Outdoors Pinnacle 8-Inch Frypan. You can put a lot of things inside the billy can when packed like spices and even Ramen Noodles. It can be hung from a make shift tripod to cook or keep food warm, unlike the MSR which has to sit on the coals or on a stove. The frypan packs small because the handle folds down and it's light with a non stick surface. Saves me from having to carry cooking oil for frying. My sister tried to give me her MSR and I found it too heavy to justify the amount of food it would cook at one sitting. Just my 2 cents.
Good stuff as always Justin. Its pretty hard to beat the canteen set IMO, but I got the bottle kit for my wife for our day hikes. Like you I was disappointed the cup had to be modified to not rip the pouch it comes in.
Mine was going to tear I could tell, but I was real careful when I got it cause I had heard of this problem. I modified the cup and it works great now.
Just an FYI. They make the same heavy duty stove stand for the round bottle set up. I believe they sell them either on Dave's site or at the canteen shop. Have a great Thanksgiving!
good video - some really good points on the pros and cons of the various pieces of kit. One factor is cost and although the pathfinder sets are great they are expensive and I think you can do just as well with a little more thought and less cash.
I agree with you Alan. There are some great items out there for far less money. The thing I like the most about this set is I know it goes to a nice American made company, but when we can't spend $100 on a canteen set there dang sure isn't anything wrong with getting something else. I appreciate you watching sir. Justin
Fantastic vid mate, love your honesty and the everyman problems that come with these systems. That chicken wire stove... What were they thinking? I would rather make something out of tent pegs. Massive fan of the Stanley cook set, it's all I use these days.
+05Rudey its just his opinion his cups crap and ill fits its use hardly the cups fault or the bags fault a folding wood stove would easily go in that front pouch so why struggle
You can use a 30 oz ozark trails tumbler lid to store water in your Stanley I’ve been doing it for awhile I made a video about but haven’t got it to RU-vid yet.
Seen one video where the person took his new stainless cook kit and sprayed the outside with stove black before using them. He then took them out, built a fire and put the cook kit in the campfire for a while. According to him the stove black distributes the heat better than leaving it as is. What's your opinion between your method of leaving the fire stain on the metal vs using stove black?
Thank you for the vid. reat info. I agree that the Pathfinder sets are expensive. If you are going to pay that much for something, it should come with the lids and not need mods. I love that you do the review and give more affordible options. Im looking into the MSR cook set now. Thanks again.
Someone prob already said this but the cook kit with the Guyot style bottle, If you put the nesting cup on top of the bottle instead of the bottom like I do, theres no hang ups. Thanks for the vid brother.
I like the Stanley, I also bought the cup at walmarts and it nessels inside the Stanley, Like you said 20.00 and you have a great backpacking cook set...thanks
Good video! What size MSR is that? I was putting together a good bottle set, when I came across the Pathfinder kit. It has everything I had found separately all in one. All high quality, good designed stuff...and it's cheaper than buying it all individually. I do like the MSR pan you have there, a buddy had one at camp. Loaded with spices,taters, and veggies, just added water and meat to make up a stew...so yummy.
you are a mind reader!! i have had the same questions rolling around in my head, canteen or bottle set. They talk about the Pathfinder bottle set being one quart to make it easy for chemical treatment of water. i also heard that the level to the canteen seam is one quart but don't know if that is true. I have seen the MSR kit at the REI store and see it comes in different sizes. Do you recommend a particular size? What is yours ? I guess if you really want to go cheap you could use the grill from an old toaster oven and a used fruit juice can. just put a bail on it. Thanks for taking be along when you unpacked the canteen cup by your river.
I agree with you It drove me to go over to LA Police Gear to buy their stainless steel quart bottle set up with their large space saver cup and lid .....and I made a potholder/stove out of an old dintyy moore can and I typically use a soda pop can burner with alcohol and I got a generic nylon water bottle holder off Amazon and this works just about perfectly I also use that generic stamped aluminum stand you can get off of Amazon I forget the name of it but it comes with a generic trangia type burner It fits perfectly inside the den team or can as a Windbreak or you can use the large tuna fish can chicken breast can which is the same diameter just a little shorter in height
Thanks this is exactly the vid I needed to see. I'm going with the canteen. In all fairness I think they took that liner out of the bottle kit it could have been this vid that got that done. If you remember where did you buy that pot?
I get an impression many of the GI canteen cup lids on Ebay only fit the canteen cup made by the same company, you seem lucky to have found one that fit.
about the SS. Stanley cook cup with the locking handle: i've had that cup a long time and i also have the wal-mart ozark trail 18oz. SS. nesting cup, too. i bought them at the same time at WM and used them both a lot before tiring of them both. this is all just my opinion only..... the stanley cook cup is a disappointment in the long run after using it a lot. if you take a real good look at it you will see a seam in the stainless steel on the inside right in-line where the 2 rivets go that hold on the handle latch. if you take another real good look at it inside you'll see another seam that goes all the way around it at the bottom. look at the rolled lip at top... you'll see where the 2 pieces of the sides butt together and are lip rolled. not counting the rivets or the handle latch i think the main body of this cup 2 seperate pieces welded together.... the bottom looks like 1 piece that's welded all the way around and then the sides are welded all the way up and around. i think they brush finish the outside of the cup to hide the welded seams? i feel pretty sure this is all correct? you can tell me what you think if you are interested? if this cup is welded together at these seams then the quality of this cup is way lesssened IMO? if the cup body were 1 pc pressed into shape with a rolled lip then i might be more impressed? over time and lots of use my cup is separating at the seams. i just don't wanna be a woman coming on here and everybody thinking i know everything because i sure don't. however, i'm saying my cup is coming apart at the seams. i feel sure it's seamed and welded at those seams. tell me what you think if you have the cup, please????
+Martina Dejaquiz I can't disagree with you at all on this. You are correct. The weld spots are weak spots 100%. Are they going to fail? I personally have never had a weld fail on any of my cups but the fact is it happens all the time so this is something to take into consideration for sure.
the thing that bugs me about this pouch the canteen pouch and i have had mine way before the pathfinder store picked it up, is when you walk with it and you obviusly have it around your shoulders, is the thing always hits your hip and falls down... i like to walk with it and i would prefer it to just be located at my back not swinging around at my hip crashing into branches and such.... i hate the stove for the canteen cooker junk i use esbit or collagen fire tabs and when you put them on the ground it sucks all the heat out of them and puts them out, i mean some times when you need a hot drink or food who wants to go looking for rocks and things leaving winter walks out of the question...
I found that after boiling water in my Pathfinder bottle (the round one), and allowing the water to cool down enough to handle the bottle without gloves, that the lid would then leak and was no longer water tight. The lid itself was never heated. I am going to stick with Klean Kanteen which has a much sturdier lid design. To me having the capability to sterilize your water necessitates having a stainless steel bottle of some variety in your kit.
Iliveoutside Outdoors That does not sound like a good deal at all man. Did you contact them and tell them about this problem? I bet they will send you a new bottle.
No, Im terrible about sending stuff back. I actually bought 4 bottle kits from them, one for each member of my family. I only boiled water in mine, so not sure if I just got a bad one or what. Bottle must be warping slightly enough to prevent sealing when its heated, as I never put the plastic in heat, and seams to return to normal once the bottle cools down all the way.
Yeah Im sure they will/would, I was just curious if others had this problem or mine was a fluke. After all, the bottle is marketed for the purpose of being able to boil water in it.
