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My experience with the Magnepan LRS speaker. Did it live up to my expectations? 

Thomas & Stereo
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Gear used to review the Magnepna LRS
Matrix Mini-i Pro 3 DAC (Non-affiliated link)
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Burson Conductor 3 DAC
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Integrated amp
Mcintosh MAC 6700 integrated amp
Hegel H300 integrated amp
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Tube integrated amp
Cayin CS100 tube integrated amp
Cayin CS55a tube integrated amp
Doge 10 tube integrated amp
Willsenten R8 tube integrated amp
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Power amp
XTZ Edge poweramp
Wyred4sound ST1000 poweramp
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@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
In my attempt to shorten my video, I edited out 2 things you should be aware of. 1) These speakers are not super dynamic and you will not feel the punch of the bass. 3) Imaging is not pinpoint sharp like Focal speakers, for example, it is as I said, a wall of sound. Now, you don't buy Magnepan for that, you buy it for that big airy soundstage. You buy it because you don't want to 'hear' the speakers and enjoy that 'open' sound.
@KeithHeinrich
@KeithHeinrich 3 года назад
Exactly.
@jeronunkoffunk9437
@jeronunkoffunk9437 3 года назад
I enjoyed this great and revealing review. Have been considering for a new speaker finally, the magnepan LRS are on my hit list, I know someone who has them I liked them and his amp was not even totally up to it. To drive I have my eyes possibly older 2 mcintosh mc2255, or 1 mc 2500. Currently own 2 old carver m400t Cube amps which I d try them out on as well. Looking to pair them with some type of REL sub. Anyhow thanx for education and detailed review
@JingoLoBa57
@JingoLoBa57 3 года назад
The XTZ Edge does very well... better than the Mac? I need my Hp’s to check that one! Quick and dirty reviews keep ‘em comin’ Thomas 👍
@jun701
@jun701 3 года назад
How about Piano sound in Classical music? A reliable friend of mine told me that Magnepan is the endgame for real piano sound.
@KeithHeinrich
@KeithHeinrich 3 года назад
@@jun701 everything sounds awesome with the proviso that your source is good, the amplification is up to the job and the speakers are positioned suitably in a room of appropriate size since Maggies work best (in my experience) in a big room with placement away from the wall. The sound appears as if by magic with no discernible point source. The notes of a piano will hang in the air, almost as if the piano was in the room with you. Its an entirely different experience to a speaker in a box. Had I the space, I would certainly have another set.
@rohanrohilla1080
@rohanrohilla1080 3 года назад
This was one of the clearest and cut to the chase review with all the information intact. Great job Tom.
@kenjames246
@kenjames246 3 года назад
Here's hoping after your hiatus you decide to come back and hopefully using the same format Thomas. I really enjoy your take on things, your humour and your honesty. If not thanks for everything. You will be missed.
@joeycastillo1496
@joeycastillo1496 3 года назад
Thanks Thomas and Stereo. I needed some advise on LRS and you answered most of my questions!
@BennyKsBandwidth
@BennyKsBandwidth 3 года назад
Very nice review Thomas as always! You hit the nail on the head the first time I heard these!
@honkwok3371
@honkwok3371 3 года назад
Your review is right on & thanks for reviewing it. I've owned 2 panel speakers before and I like them. They produced excellent 3-D soundstage and are very fast and detail. The negatives are they produced a very narrow sweet spot and need a high power tube or solid state amplifier to drive and you will need a very good sub.
@donaldwilliamson4150
@donaldwilliamson4150 3 года назад
Thank you for posting you answered many of my questions
@jenogilvie-grant2636
@jenogilvie-grant2636 3 года назад
Will miss your channel a lot ! Very informative 👌
@josephfuller7008
@josephfuller7008 3 года назад
By far the best audio reviewer on you tube. He knows how to describe sound and knows what Is important in a review.
@peerguy
@peerguy 3 года назад
On point. He knows how to describe sound without getting confused. Excellent!!
@frankiethefish73
@frankiethefish73 3 года назад
I love it when Thomas uses his Mister "x" pseudonyms for his friends. I don't know why, but I get a kick out of it.
@jordansage9655
@jordansage9655 3 года назад
Yeah, and how he gets them all "involved" in everything, haha.
@jonathanr2830
@jonathanr2830 3 года назад
The snippet of the monolith and hominids scene from 2001: A Space Odyssey was truly a funny surprise! Good one! Another great, thorough, even-handed, and revealing review. I appreciate your very solid work.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Mrch33ky
@Mrch33ky 3 года назад
Another great video Thomas! Very informative and funny. :)
@rogercobb3092
@rogercobb3092 2 года назад
I have owned 3 pairs of Magnepans over the last 35 years and have driven them with a wide variety of amplifiers from the original NAD 3020 to huge super amps. I used the original SUMO Nine (a James Bongiorno class A design) for many years with my MGIIb’s and found them a wonderful combination. I later added another Bongiorno amp; the Class AB Andromeda (375 watts per channel/4 ohms) and drove those same speakers using the Magnepan external crossover. I eventually went back to the single Class A amp. The MGIIb’s were perfectly happy that way. Sometimes you just find yourself the right amp/speaker match. OTOH, my pair of MMG’s needed more power and of the available amps on hand, sounded best with a Parasound HCA-2200ii and needed dedicated Sound Anchors stands. That amp is a total beast and produces huge amounts of both watts and current. I’m currently having an Onkyo M504 restored and upgraded to try with my LRS. What I am saying is that there are plenty of older amps out there that will make your Maggies happy and not cripple your wallet. I too would love a new Pass Labs or Plinius amp but I also like eating and buying music.
@JenniferEliseAtchiso
@JenniferEliseAtchiso 3 года назад
I have the Magnepan MG 1.7i with an SVS SB3000 subwoofer running from a Parasound HALO integrated Amp(260 watts at 4 ohms) can never go back... this is just... “Holy Shit!”
@andrew5200
@andrew5200 2 года назад
Also run my Maggies with a Parasound. They to seem to be a good combination.
@ajzepp8976
@ajzepp8976 3 года назад
Always glad to see Maggies getting some love. I got my first pair in 2005 and Im addicted. I like pairing them with a tube pre and a high wattage class D amp. Im putting 600 wpc into my 3.6 and .7 Maggies, and they play loud, dynamic, and with a huge soundstage. Theyre not overly forgiving with poor recordings, but theyll reward you when you feed them the good stuff. Maggies just sound more "alive" to me than other speakers.
@snowpuppy77
@snowpuppy77 3 года назад
My Dad has a pair of the amazing 3.7i and he dropped shipped me a pair of LRS to use in a second system I was putting together for another room. This second system has a NAD 218 THX certified amp that does about 450 watts into 4 ohms. This amp is about 20 years old. Good thing I kept this amp as it drives the LRS very well. The LRS are very good speakers regardless of price. Much more balanced in sound than I thought they would be. I had lots of fun listening to them without a sub. However I did eventually add a Rythmik F12SE sub and it has blended itself beautifully just by following the simple instructions in the Rythmik sub manual.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Nice, thanks for sharing.
@ericschwartzberg5083
@ericschwartzberg5083 3 года назад
Thanks for the honest comments. I have been watching you and Jay and taking your tips on pairing the Maggie's. I own the SMG ,s and a Hafler dh 200 amp with a dh 110 pre amp very Old school with plenty of power never went past 10 o clock. I used Jay's past video on Placement: tweeters on the inside , 4 ft from wall , 5 ft apart and 5 feet away slight Toe in and the sound staging was amazing !
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Nice, he is the expert on it. Me, I just had fun with it for a while.
@fletchermunson6225
@fletchermunson6225 3 года назад
Yers ago I had a pair of EICO mono tube amps that had parts upgrade and new tubes, maybe 25 WOC. I also had some of the old Magnapan 2c speakers. For fun, I put them together one night and of course the little tube amps didn't play very loud but the detail and nuance that the combination pried out of my source LPs was enchanting.
@marcgabor9690
@marcgabor9690 3 года назад
Great review thank you. I put my order in two months ago and looking like I'll probably have to wait two more months. Can't wait to get them in. In the meantime I'm on the hunt for the best bang for buck amp that will drive these. Sounds like it's not just about how much power but that they need a lot of really clean power? I still don't quite understand this whole current vs power thing even though I've researched it to death.
@edmerkel2407
@edmerkel2407 3 года назад
Wonderful review. Thank you. After being out of audio for the past 20 years, I'm now in the research stage for a new system. As always, budget is a consideration. But, I'm considering either the Maggie LRS or the .7 as speakers. Amplification is the key, I know. So with 'budget' in the mix, I'm considering the Dayens Menuetto integrated amplifier. I don't need Trans-Siberian Orchestra volume levels in the family (music) room, but realism is necessary. Unfortunately, here is SD there are no places to see and audition either...so this will be my first internet system, so to speak. But I do think that some products can be purchased with a wee bit of 'blind faith'. Thanks again for a great review!
@travismcgee100
@travismcgee100 2 года назад
Thanks for the review. Very helpful. I am waiting for mine to ship.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 2 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@superdougie10
@superdougie10 3 года назад
So glad I subscribed to your channel you're a great reviewer thanks so much.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Thanks for subbing
@jimbrunsman1011
@jimbrunsman1011 3 года назад
As someone endlessly fascinated by speakers, I enjoy these videos. Thomas reviews many of the speakers I'm curious about, including the Magnepans. He's serious about sharing his love for the hobby and it's helpful for us who love speakers.
@Thesilverthunder777
@Thesilverthunder777 2 года назад
thank you. super clear. got two Tyrs with Ragnarok 2 driving beautifully.
@michaelcollins2473
@michaelcollins2473 3 года назад
BTW, I enjoyed this video. Very laid back. Oh, and you're spot on a lot of times. These speakers need POWER. LOTS OF IT.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Yes! Thank you!
@leo11877
@leo11877 2 года назад
I was wondering how the LRS would sound with XTZ, good to see you have a demo here. Kudos.
@erikalexander6602
@erikalexander6602 3 года назад
Outstanding! I’m interested in revisiting Maggie’s after this review! Thx Thomas
@capezyo
@capezyo 2 года назад
Perfect description Thomas...
@questioneverything1123
@questioneverything1123 3 года назад
A very good review and perspective, thank you for making this video. I have owned Maggies off and on for nearly 40 years... currently own a 2nd hand pair of 3.5r, use them in one of my systems. I listen mostly to dynamic / box type speakers, but always have the Maggies set-up with a big MOSFET amp, I "use them to 'test' drive capabilities" of amps I build... they can 'take a lot of power'. As you said they can "demand a lot of current from an amplifier...", and yet be a sensible load for an amplifier (my words) I have been curious about the LRS model, do have a number high current amps for powering them. Now I am even more curious about, and want to hear the LRS...
@shahidyt
@shahidyt 3 года назад
I have had the LRS for a year. I’m really pleased with them. I have purchased Magnariser stands, so they sit upright. I have replaced the jumper with Kimber Kable 4TC. Paired with the Hagel Röst and Denafrips Ares II DAC and a pair of SVS SB-1000 subs. I sometimes listen to my system and think is this what Thomas means when he says “good enough”? I know there is better out there, but this is good enough for me. Sure some songs don’t sound that good, mainly in your face rock music like Song2 by Blur, the sound projects behind the speakers, so doesn’t reach forward and grab you. But many other genres that I have tried are awesome. Rebekah Del Rio’s Llorando fills my small room and feels so spacious. The speakers are very placement sensitive, but sound really fantastic when set up properly. I did listen to the .7 at the dealers, but found the bass decay too fast, the LRS are fast too, but not as fast as the .7s in my experience, I auditioned both in the same room.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing your experience. I would LOVE to try higher end Magnepans one day myself.
@MazinkaiserV
@MazinkaiserV 3 года назад
Thank you Thomas for reviewing these. I have had the LRS in my system since September 2020. I am using a PS audio Stellar Gain Cell Dac and an older Pass Labs x-150.5 I bought new in the mid 2000's. I have not heard these on your level of gear, but everything you said resonated with me. I have been using some older Thiel CS 2.4's that I also purchased new around the same time that I got the Pass Labs amp. The Thiels never pushed the bias meter to the 12 o'clock position even when pushed to a volume I consider loud. The LRS though, LOL just getting it to a bit louder than normal can push the bias meter to noon. If I want some volume, I can easily move the meter past 1, even 2 o'clock. In 15 years I never saw my amp do that. So just like you said, these speakers DEFINITELY need a real high current amp. I also agree that the bass is enough without a sub. I'd love to get a good sub for these and see how that sounds, but they offer a nice bass by themselves. Anyway, thank you again. I am in love with my LRS, I can't see them ever leaving my system. EDIT: I have been listening to the new AC/DC album Power Up. I also love listening to Beck, The Dandy Warhols, the Pixies and in general rock. In fact I listen primarily to rock and I think the maggies do just fine. :D
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Nice, thanks for sharing.
@rogercobb3092
@rogercobb3092 2 года назад
Try a set of dedicated stands such as the Sound Anchors. Bass will improve as well as imaging. Replace the fuses with Hifi Tuning Supreme. You will squeeze out a bit more improvement. If your new stands allow, try filling with dry white sand, cat litter or KEF stand filler. Or mix that with tiny shotgun pellets (non-lead type like bismuth or steel. Maybe #8 or #10.)
@ucantfixstupid7443
@ucantfixstupid7443 3 года назад
Hi Thomas. Happy new year.You have piqued my interest even more on these speakers.I just may have to get myself out to audition them in person.Be safe.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
You should!
@kjbiz
@kjbiz 3 года назад
What???? Shutting down the channel....sad news..have really enjoyed your take on things
@jean-pierrethibaudeau7201
@jean-pierrethibaudeau7201 3 года назад
Very nice review Thomas. All true, short and to the point. Once you go Maggies, you're a Maggie fan forever. Just add a good subwoofer to complement it and you're good for life. 33 years so far with my MG1c Magnepans and still going strong. Thanks.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
It is amazing your Maggies are still working after 33 years.
@andreasheiden7122
@andreasheiden7122 2 года назад
Hi Thomas, I'm coming back to this review as I just received my pair of LRS this week. What a great speaker. I was unsure though whether it will pair well with my Marantz PM8006 integrated amp, but it's really a great match. I can listen for hours at decent levels and the amp is only getting hand warm....👍 I'm still experimenting with placement, but am already quit happy. Did you have the tweeters on the in or on the outside how far away was your listening positions? What would you recommend regarding placement?
@fabien7079
@fabien7079 3 года назад
Remember the first time I've heard a pair of big Magnepan in the 90's, they were hook-up on a big Bryston amp, it was awesome!
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 3 года назад
Excellent review if one only had another room And the power to drive them they would be keepers
@kibreddy
@kibreddy 3 года назад
Cant wait for your Golden Ear review. Holding off on a purchase till I hear what you have to say about the Golden Ear. Please....
@tomasandresvelizcampos959
@tomasandresvelizcampos959 Год назад
great information !!!
@Jps3bs
@Jps3bs 3 года назад
Great review Thomas and precisely tells that the Magnepan LRS speakers deserve a high quality amplifier to get all the beauty out of them. Love the 2001 monolith analogy. BTW... I remember seeing the 2001: A Space Odyssey at the theater in 1968...it blew my mind. I surely would love to hear Richard Strauss's Thus Also Sprach Zarathustra on the Magnepan LRS...Mind Blowing I'm Sure👍🤯
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Thanks, yeah I thought it was funny.
@Audfile
@Audfile 3 года назад
Thank you! I've been saying it for years that you need very powerful amplifiers to get Maggie's to sound great and you get these toolsheds on forums saying things like "what are you talking about, mine sounds fine on my 20 watt.." Finally someone on RU-vid to say it, you need an amp that can throw a car to really hear them.
@perosa99
@perosa99 3 года назад
Nice review Thomas. Have you heard the Magnepan bass panels? I think that would be an interesting review if you have. We will be here when you come back (if you decide to do so)👍🏽
@thorerik678
@thorerik678 2 года назад
I started 45 years ago with the MG II. Still have them over two rebuilds. Along the way I picked up some MG 20's and 3.7. I do have other box speakers but as far as I am concerned nothing beats a Maggie.
@jayem1826
@jayem1826 2 года назад
Agreed. I only have SMGa's from '89 and MMG's from 2 yrs ago. I see many reviewers with KEF and Klipsch. I'd love to try either, but it's not possible in the 3rd world I'm in.
@goodsound4756
@goodsound4756 3 года назад
A pair of Magnepan 1.4 was my first audiophile loudspeaker. Though I listen to Martin Logan nowadays, I never got back to Box’d speakers.
@JosefTreiber
@JosefTreiber 3 года назад
Nice description, and great gag at the beginning😹
@epi2045
@epi2045 3 года назад
Everyone should own a pair of Magnepan’s as part of their collection. I own several pairs of “cone” speakers and always have a pair or two of Magnepan’s. Magnepan’s can’t do everything but it’s soo good, almost unbeatable, when playing certain songs / music. I use a Mark Levinson power amp. 100wpc 8ohms, 200wpc 4ohms, 400wpc 2ohms.
@tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa3093
@tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa3093 3 года назад
Still have my MMG and MMGC. FANTASTIC for surround duty (MMG front, MMGC rear). Running Tekton Moab right now as my mains, just doing the 2ch thing for now.
@theoriginalcraig
@theoriginalcraig 2 года назад
@@tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa3093 We are like-minded people, you and me! 1) I'm getting a pair of LRSs to replace my current center channel. Nearly the same as MMG. 2) My main towers are Zu Audio Dirty Weekend, not far removed from Tekton. 3) Amplification from Bryston, not too dissimilar to Mark Levinson. 4) I'm also doing 99.9% 2-channel only. I bet your system sounds GREAT!
@guywhite1004
@guywhite1004 2 года назад
I had the Magnepan 1.7 speakers and loved them. Crossed them over to two Paradigm PW-2200 subs (12” woofers) with a McIntosh MEN 220 with RoomPerfect. Drove the Maggie’s with a Classe CA300 amp (600 watts @ 4 ohms) and never ran out of power. With the crossover set at 60 Hz the system had the best soundstaging, especially on large choirs, and went very deep as well. Had to sell them when I moved as I didn’t have the required space for them to sound right. I sure miss them sometimes.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing!
@harrytrattner2287
@harrytrattner2287 3 года назад
again very informative
@softtack
@softtack 3 года назад
Another good review Thomas. I wish you could review the Chord Hugo TT2 someday.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
I will get it this Friday but I don't know if I will review it. Well at least I can talk about it.
@softtack
@softtack 3 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo Good to know. Thanks for responding Thomas.
@musicm8kr
@musicm8kr 2 года назад
Great stuff Thomas...near the end of the video (music sample), did you output your signal from the Mcintosh (using RCA) into the inputs of the XTC? Can you recommend another good preamp ($3K range), with balanced outputs, to take advantage of the balanced inputs of the XTC? Thanks, Sean (California)
@jkerrin
@jkerrin 3 года назад
Thank you Thomas for your wonderful reviews. I value your wise and reasonable approach to audio. Would the XTZ Edge A2-300 power amp be a good match for the Magnepan LRS speakers? Do I need two of them in mono to drive the LRS? I have the Shiit Freya + as my preamp (I bought it based on your review). Thank you and I hope you are able to continue to do your insightful videos.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Have 2 does not increase the power. Although it would work, I probably would go for something with more juice but I don't know of any solutions to recommend.
@cockneylol
@cockneylol 3 года назад
Another excellent watch. Sorry to here you may be closing the channel, always informative and watchable.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
More like suspending the reviews. I might still make discussion videos.
@astolatpere11
@astolatpere11 3 года назад
Great vid. Thanks.
@Baron_Blue_Max
@Baron_Blue_Max 3 года назад
2001 cut scene was brilliant
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Thank you!! I couldn't resist 🤣
@jean-pierrethibaudeau7201
@jean-pierrethibaudeau7201 3 года назад
Thomas & Stereo I totally agree. It's about time someone makes the link between the Magnepans and 2001. And some people even say that the recent appearances of a few monoliths in Utah and Romania are sponsored by Magneplanar! 😅
@FOH3663
@FOH3663 3 года назад
@@jean-pierrethibaudeau7201 Indeed! Similarly, once set up correctly, ... both the Maggies and the monoliths you mentioned pull a disappearing act.
@hawkins55
@hawkins55 3 года назад
Magnepan actually made a video with 2001 theme a while back. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HyjMuetVxJM.html
@Bryan-th6rc
@Bryan-th6rc 3 года назад
@@hawkins55 I was about to say the same thing haha
@taiwanbirdman
@taiwanbirdman 2 года назад
Nice video. Just wondering how does LRS compare to Vandersteen 2CE signature? After some experiments on the placement, my Vandersteen also “disappeared “ with a reasonable holographic sound stage.
@arobinson22833
@arobinson22833 3 года назад
I’ve owned the LRS September and would agree with most reviews about the base response. So after trying various high end amplifiers I’ve found a great sounding low cost solution to make the LRSs really sing!!! It’s comprised of the Sonos Amp and Sonos Sub crossed over at 60Hz. In my opinion this is one of the best sounding combinations of lower cost components that I’ve heard.
@dajikbatarang1
@dajikbatarang1 3 года назад
For the price I should pick these up. To bad they are on backorder. Fantastic review Thomas. Hope we have a few more before you go on hiatus.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Thanks for watching!
@StefanUrkel
@StefanUrkel 3 года назад
16weeks of backorder or more
@nancright1352
@nancright1352 3 года назад
will miss you. please come back soon.
@MickeyMishra
@MickeyMishra 3 года назад
I have two sets of magnepans that I loved one that I'm repairing and the other ones that I have to do some repairs to and I have to admit you need to have a big nice room for these puppies to really shine. for those of you that are low budget audio files? Pick up a crown in and don't look back and you will love the magnepans with the crown gear driving them.
@Beyondabsence
@Beyondabsence 3 года назад
Crown? It's good to know! I have two integrated amps, Musical Fidelity and Outlaw. If needed, once I buy the .7 will definitely look into Crown.
@MickeyMishra
@MickeyMishra 3 года назад
@@Beyondabsence Get them used if you can. A lot of Amps have just been sitting since the Plandemic, and are just sitting in Temp controlled whorehouses. What I love the most is the Balance inputs. Almost ZERO noise even in a Noisy Home environment with lots of PWM power supplies & gear that down the line in the house has a love of injecting noise in the AC line and into the air. (Same with some WiFi Routers and Weirdly, someone who has a Certain brand of Electric lawn equipment. Had that happen to me. :-) They guys that did the design are from the OLD SKOOL audio crowd. So many of the parts like the Op Amps are upgradable. (Read:EVEN LOWER NOISE FLOOR and HIGHER S/N ratio!) On the Maggies? Make sure to upgrade the X/O parts like the the Caps. I'm with Garry RIchtie on this one of *G&R Research* and can say that using non ferrous input lugs really do make a difference on this low impedance speakers. Last mod has to be using them with a FAST Open Baffle Woofer. At higher volumes (like I like to listen) it cleans up the sound so well, its hard to go back. But I don't have the right room to really let them breathe. All the Merry!
@tothemax324
@tothemax324 3 года назад
knew I was entering a new territory in reproduction of music when I swapped the box for a OB dipole, good one Thomas
@AudioClownHT
@AudioClownHT 3 года назад
Awesome vid as always. I question, when your listening to music (2-channel) Do you have speaker set to small or large when using a subwoofer?
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
I use stereo amps and not AVR, so there are no place to set that. It usually output full range so it is set to 'large' I guess by default.
@petermartin9494
@petermartin9494 3 года назад
Thanks for the recordings at the end. It sounds thin and dry with the Class D. A little better with the Mac but still a bit thin and dry.
@willisbush956
@willisbush956 3 года назад
I've had these speakers for close to a year. They're special, but the caveats Thomas set forth are valid. I would only add that it's possible to get great sound out of them without going into serious debt. The first time I set these up in my smallish living room, I wasn't all that impressed (even though I had them positioned properly away from the back wall). I powered them with my Emotiva A-300 and was able to achieve a very loud volume. However, to get there I had started to run out of room on the volume dial. The Emotiva was fine at moderate volumes, but after the more energetic workout I heard the fan, which was the only time I've ever known it to come on. I like the Emotiva but I just didn't feel good about it long term, so I considered my options. The best choice for me was to use the preamp section of my old Harman Kardon 3490 receiver and couple it with a new Crown XLR 1502 power amp ($400 at the time). I also I felt I wanted the speakers upright. In listening to them, I had oriented my body upward to get that effect, and the speakers sounded noticeably better. So I purchased a pair of Magnariser speaker feet (a little under $250) to get the speakers standing vertical. These were so much better than the stock feet. I also hooked up a sealed box Pioneer Elite subwoofer (which I already had), setting the Crown to highpass only the frequencies above 80 Hz to the Magenpans. With the much more potent amplification, the sub and the new feet, the overall sound was superb. How superb? I don't know what Thomas heard or what anyone else has heard. I only know that the Magnepans compete very well against my Polk Audio LSIM 705's, which sit beside them. In my view, these Polks are serious and wonderful speakers. They sound very different than the Magnepans and allow me to go back and forth between the two sets of speakers to enjoy a little variety. So, bottom line, to get the Magnepans doing what they can do, it cost me about $1,300 (which coincidentally is what I paid for the Polks, which were on sale) and the use of a sub and preamp I already had. Whether something like this would work for others, who knows. But I like what I'm hearing.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Nice, thanks for sharing.
@systemawarrior
@systemawarrior 3 года назад
Getting similar results out of my crown xls1002.
@elthamlad468
@elthamlad468 8 месяцев назад
Hi, not sure if you will see this as it's two years old but wanted to hear from an owner regards positioning. Can you tell me, are these speakers fussy with regards to placement and minimum distances from rear and side walls, distance from the listener, etc.? I have a small to medium-sized room 3.8 x 4.5 meters so there is a limit for my speaker placement. I am not sure if these would be suitable?
@willisbush956
@willisbush956 8 месяцев назад
I have a television and two pairs of conventional speakers along a wall of a similar sized room to yours, so I bring the LRSs out a couple of feet in front of the existing speakers, which also places them about four feet from the front wall. I think they sound pretty good, but they can't be left in that position once I'm finished listening.@@elthamlad468
@grechan
@grechan 3 года назад
Thomas, I am interested in your opinion on the tweeters outside or tweeters inside debate. I ended up with mine on the outsides per the Magnepan set up instructions, but I understand some folks like them on the inside to get closer to that pinpoint imaging. Have you had a chance to listen to Ohm Walsh's? I picked up a pair of OW 2s and am liking them a lot - not as much as the LRS, but a lot.
@estebannemo1957
@estebannemo1957 3 года назад
Audiophilia is a magnificent obsession.
@elsey1976
@elsey1976 3 года назад
And expensive
@estebannemo1957
@estebannemo1957 3 года назад
@@elsey1976 It can be, but not necessarily so. Audiophiles take very good care of their gear. You can buy second hand equipment on Audiogon at half the price.,
@billbones1000
@billbones1000 3 года назад
Great job Thomas! Would have loved to hear how it paired with a cheap high power class D amp like a crown or something similar. If a very powerful cheap class D amp and these relatively inexpensive LRS really deliver it would be a very interesting budget conscious option! Also, you really need to do a good review of a pair of open baffles....I think they have much in common with the LRS except they are also very efficient.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Yeah, I agreee with open baffle. I know Mr Kanta said it played ok with the Wyred4sound ST1000 but he prefer it with the Cayin CS55A.
@billbones1000
@billbones1000 3 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo open baffles changed my whole hifi world Thomas, it's where the train stopped for me as far as flipping speakers goes. I'd really love to hear your thoughts!
@donguin1885
@donguin1885 3 года назад
Thomas, thanks for the review of the LRS's. I have been wanting to try a pair but afraid my PS Audio M700's would not do the trick. In your opinion, will the M700's do a sufficient job?
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
It will sound ok but I don't think it will bring out its full potential.
@bakhtiarsubian1814
@bakhtiarsubian1814 3 года назад
I have them too Thomas. LRS is good I find. Pair them with ls100 pre and goldmund srm250 monos and it's great to me.
@hawkins55
@hawkins55 3 года назад
Final reviewed the LRS. 👏Thanks! Now when will the Matrix Mini-Pro 3 review come?😁 Particularly paired with the LRS.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Soon soon.
@Waitaminutesilly
@Waitaminutesilly 3 года назад
Just bought these. Can't believe $650ish USD speakers can sound this good. I am running them with Bryston 4B Cube amp. I think the amp powers LRS well. Coming from box speakers, these planars sound more coherent (although LRS cannot compete with my Dyn's in terms of clarity, precision, and base). With a right music though, you get a wave of sound coming from LRS that is pretty spooky. Mid base is pretty good and fast as you pointed out. For my set up, LRS sounded the best when tweeter section of the speakers are facing each other.
@westherm
@westherm 2 года назад
I have a small listening room. I have these paired with 200W solid state monoblocks and a sufficiently fast subwoofer. It is a magical setup and I haven't felt the need to upgrade any components in years. That should say something.
@rogercobb3092
@rogercobb3092 2 года назад
In general, the more power you feed a Maggie; the happier they are! You should have very happy Magnepans. If you are not running a good tube preamp, you might try one and see if you like it. I have been using a Counterpoint SA-5 all tube pre (upgraded with the Plitron transformer) and find I quite like the results. The problems of dealing with “orphan components” is another matter altogether. I’m sure owners of Rappaport and Electro Research will sympathize big time. (Donations from owners of Electro Research A75 amps who are sick of dealing with problems are gratefully accepted! I will split the freight costs with you. 😀 )
@ericnortan9012
@ericnortan9012 8 месяцев назад
I am setting up a new listening room in a small spare bedroom (10'x12'). Are these speakers a good choice for a room that size? I generally have had larger box/tower speakers in much larger rooms. To me it seems like these would work well because of the fact that they don't move air, at least not like a conventional speaker. Plus, the lower bass output could be a benefit in a small room. My plan would be to drive them with a Schiit Freya+n pre-amp and a set of either Schiit Tyrs or Vidar 2. I am still debating which amps to get.
@aussierob7177
@aussierob7177 3 года назад
Although i have not heard magies in recent years. The ones i heard about 50 years ago at the Australian Hi Fi audio show were absolutely stunning, especially in the mid range.
@StefanUrkel
@StefanUrkel 3 года назад
Thomas, do you think the Maggies would do better with Mcintosh than Emotiva high current? also did you mcintosh get hot?
@scottstrang1583
@scottstrang1583 3 года назад
I heard a pair back inthe mid 80's (SMG, I think) and it was hooked up to a 45 w/c Yamaha Int Amp. It still sounded awesome.
@donguin1885
@donguin1885 3 года назад
Ok, Thomas, i have a Rel T7i to pair with the LRS's so will that cover the necessary bass. Also, i have PS Audio M700 mono's, will they check the box for having the necessary drive for these speakers?
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
I did not try it with class D, Mr. Kanta is with the Wyred4sound ST1000 and he said it was good but he preferred it with the Cayin CS55a
@amouslow490
@amouslow490 2 года назад
Can the Yamaha A-S1200 drive these? I have a pair of REL T5I and listen mainly to pop music.
@shafeeqshimoz
@shafeeqshimoz 3 года назад
Hi Thomas Is it ok to drive these LRS with a Dynaco St70??
@genkifd
@genkifd 3 года назад
ive heard the bigger brothers 20.7 with bryston amps and like you have expressed the soundstage is amazing. a great set of speakers. but the 20.7 you need a big room which i dont have.
@albertleung3690
@albertleung3690 2 года назад
I m curious what sub you or/and your friend use it with the LRS? If I use a sub that only cover 80 Hz down, does it still have to be very fast sub?
@nickn5870
@nickn5870 3 года назад
Thomas you mention "1) These speakers are not super dynamic and you will not feel the punch of the bass". It's not exactly like a dynamic driver that punches out a more tactile dynamic sound pressure. The notes are still there, just that there is no real rattling light bulb filaments and pictures on the walls :) So this is an IDEAL consideration for folks with neighbours. Have the 1.7 with Mye stands with a top forward tilt. Setup due to backwave cancellation is critical ( took ~8 or so hours of minor adjustments over time lol ). Have you tried the tweeter strip sections to the outside? ( the area of more concentrated traces ) Looks like you have them on inside edge(?) Fuses on the rear are "seen" inline with tweeter section, so I use a silver filament fuse ( hard to say if it helps ). Big sonic upgrade was changing the all nickel-plated steel binding posts to WBT, and fuse holder to high copper content one. Wasn't expecting much but wow. = BUT AS-IS without tweaks, they are supremely enjoyable without getting obsessive I'd have NO problems reverting them back to stock form at all ( maybe I will :P ). Can still remember hearing the first few notes out of them, speed was the first thing noticed. Then the stage. Great to see you testing these LRS. Don't forget their bass reinforcement woofer panel thing too... Really enjoyed the review, THANKS !
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing your tips. Unfortunately Mr. Kanta bought them off me and I will not have the chance to try.
@pandstar
@pandstar 3 года назад
I've lived with Maggies (several models) over the years, electrostatics, and box speakers. I currently have boxes that I recently sold my Maggies to buy. The Maggies may produce a large open soundstage, but they don't have the pinpoint imaging that good boxes can do. I was missing that aspect, so that is why I sold them.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Yup, Focals are great for the pinpoint imaging. I had it in my notes to talk about this point but forgot about it, thanks for pointing it out.
@Audfile
@Audfile 3 года назад
Mine do. But mine are modded and have very expensive crossovers.
@TradeMarcmultimedia
@TradeMarcmultimedia 3 года назад
I have focals in my studio space and intend on getting Maggie’s for a more laid back listening experience.. yin and yang
@54tristin
@54tristin 3 года назад
I started with Magnapan SMG‘s and approximately six years ago bought a pair of Magnapan 0.7‘s .having owned Magnapan‘s for an extended period of time I could not go back to a box speaker although I do use box it in my video set up I cannot use box speakers for music Having said that is what I’ve experienced for some reasonMagnapan ships some of the speakers ,the lower end ones with stands that tilt the speaker backwards and I believe these speakers sound better straight upright. They also need a decent size room ,they have to be away from the wall otherwise they sound constricted I am used to subs with them I’ll explain my system at the end of this and they were hell on amplifiers. Regardless of price or maybe because of price I don’t think I’ve ever heard a better set of speakers anywhere near the money I run theMaggie’s with a VPI turntable an Emotiva 250 watt/channel amp,a Parasound Halo 6 preamp, and a BluOS vault 2i. These speakers excel at human voice if you want to hear them at the best put on a very recent James Taylor album it’s like James is sitting in the room with you they can handle more complex music they do not play loudly without the soundstage collapsing a little bit I’ve never heard them distort they just stop putting out any more sound and they need subwoofers for the bass and that’s difficult because finding subwoofers the fast enough to keep up with the Magnapan‘s is difficult I used two elac 10 inch subwoofers and it takes a surprising amount of pre-amplification to supply the gain needed for them to push the Magnapan you need to be in a very very specific spot in the room for the Magnapan‘s to give you what you’re looking for they do not have a wide range in terms of seating girlfriends hate them,my cats do not touch them but when I put on music , regardless what room they’re in they come in to the living room sit down and literally will sit for hours listening to music on them in my opinion Magnapan was and is the best speaker on the market for the money.
@SweatLaserXP
@SweatLaserXP 3 года назад
For budget Magnepan, look at the used amplifier market and get something for like $500-1000, class AB with a good power supply. The amazing thing about Magnepans is that they benefit from high end components, but they can get you close to your destination for a fraction of the price. They don't need Pass Labs or McIntosh for a baseline, just something with brute force.
@davidlambert3892
@davidlambert3892 3 года назад
Brute Force means very high current.
@Brankohman
@Brankohman 3 года назад
Can a tube amp drive them suffciently with only 86dB sensitivity?
@craigcoughlin1834
@craigcoughlin1834 3 года назад
Great review. I would have liked your take on running it with a lower priced high current solid state amp. I'm seriously considering a the LRS (or .7i) to pair with my Musical Fidelity A300 (150w dual mono 8 ohm, 300 4 ohm).
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Thanks, sadly Mr. Kanta is buying it off me and I will no longer have it at my place. Usually, I was told if an amp doubles its watts in 4 ohm, it is a hint that it has lots of current. If I were to guess, your A300 should be fine.
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 2 года назад
You don't need high current but more precisely high power. Maggies are benign resistive loads.
@grechan
@grechan 2 года назад
So, I have never tried this, but should I drive my LRS with my First Watt F2? Can Nelson's 5wpc do it?
@MichaelLivingston-me
@MichaelLivingston-me 3 года назад
For my listening to your two samples, the McIntosh came through with a slight enhancement of the attack on percussion and the bass was cleaner. I wouldn't say the bass was stronger, just cleaner. Then again I'm playing it through the Internet with lesser stratospheric equipment.
@zsvrljuga1
@zsvrljuga1 3 года назад
Thomas, pretty good review, I would like to hear more of placing them ina a room and also finding really good and cheep amp fpr them, in reality you had Crown in your home. I did a blind test with my friend and he always chose Crown over Parasound HCA2200 mk2. I am owner of many speakers, but two will stay home, LRS and Spatial Hologram M3. I think that if you want to try something really different , you need to try Spatial or Pure Audio Project, they are best of both worlds.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
I no longer have the crown so I did not try it with it. I wonder how it would sound.
@keeferdog5617
@keeferdog5617 3 года назад
Do these work in a “smallish” (11x11x14)??? I understand they also need to be pulled away from the wall...needs a high current amp and a sub. (They sound a lot like my gf-“high-maintenance”)
@rileyleclerc7042
@rileyleclerc7042 3 года назад
I wonder how a Crown XLS amp would pair with them until I upgrade amps... it has the power but would it have the right touch? Great Review Thomas
@systemawarrior
@systemawarrior 3 года назад
I have the crown xls1002 on these and it does a very good job.
@weeooh1
@weeooh1 3 года назад
Thanks Thomas, nice review. Do the LRS blend well with a sub? I've heard panel speakers are not easy to get right with a sub.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
You need a fast sub, preferably sealed.
@markwagner1997
@markwagner1997 3 года назад
I use a REL sub after reading countless reviews and watching lots of video reviews. REL subs are quite fast and pair well with Maggies. I've used Yamaha and Definitive Technology subs as well. Both were slow...muddying-up the lower frequencies from the Maggies instead of extending them. When I switched to REL, it allowed me to hear the full range of frequencies much better...the Maggies sounded even better.
@jaurandt3rd
@jaurandt3rd 3 года назад
So I’m looking for a pair of floor standing speakers I have a budget between 2000 and 3000 I’ve been looking for awhile but I’m new to the hobby and since there are so many choices out there I’m a little lost. So if you could recommend any I would greatly appreciate it....
@xorbitman
@xorbitman 3 года назад
Many years ago I had a pair of 2.6's biwired with a Moon power amp and a Pioneer Elite as a pre-amp. It was quite a sound back then. I had a Paradigm sub which I still have and it was amazing. Surround sound was ok but for Jazz and Smooth Jazz and rock like Pink Floyd or Sting it was amazing. I miss them. But now after 2 sets of speakers later I'll be getting a pair of Totem. I love the Totem Tribes in Ice with no covers. I have to wonder if a top of the line Marantz would power these LRS. Yamaha and Pioneer are great but Marantz seems to be very powerful. Also you could get a top of the line low priced receiver as a pre-amp that has pre-outs and use an external amp. BTW - I found that with the Magenpan's I couldn't use Kimber Cable because it was too bright.
@marcus1970
@marcus1970 3 года назад
Magnepan on the end of Parasound amplification is a many times tried tested and approved combo... A21/+ or even JC5 and you'll have no shortage of current... Underpin them with a pair of smallish Rel subs..... Killer musical performer..... Thomas, I look forward to you pausing the channel...... But ONLY so I can look forward to pressing play again. 👍🏻
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Thanks, I would most likely make 'discussion' videos once in a while during the pause. There will be no review videos during that time.
@marcus1970
@marcus1970 3 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo that will be a fair T&S fix in the interim...perhaps a Sean, Steve, Jay, Thomas multiscreen mashup Live Q&A stream..... But let us all know when... UK here (but I'll tune in anytime for that!!)
@BigFarm_ah365
@BigFarm_ah365 3 года назад
Did you have a chance to try them with the Yamaha? Do you think it's got what it takes? I haven't connected the A-S2100 since getting the Elekit TU8600 300b, but Maggies would be one good reason to keep it around. I had lined up a couple pairs of 1.7i, but didn't follow through, and then the LRS came out and drove the price on all Maggies up. I don't know why someone would expect to fetch $1600-1800+ for a used speaker that only cost $2100 new, I even saw $1899 plus shipping the other day.
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
I did not try it with the As2200 so I don't know. Sorry.
@philippest-hilaire4059
@philippest-hilaire4059 3 года назад
Nice review
@peterdesmidt8742
@peterdesmidt8742 3 года назад
Good video! My LRSs has been on order for awhile now. Hopefully, they'll arrive soon! I plan on using two Adcom GFA-555IIs to drive them, as that's what I have. Eventually, I'll probably get subwoofers. How did you find integrating them with the LRS? Did you try dipole subs? Did you highpass the LRSs?
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Well, if you have fast subs like REL, it is not a problem. I would guess you would want sealed subs. Open baffle subs? I never tried those so no idea.
@aceofspades6667
@aceofspades6667 3 года назад
I have a set of Sumiko S.9 which are the equivalent of the Rel t9i. I'd also suggest checking out the rythmik servo subs (like F12).
@peterdesmidt8742
@peterdesmidt8742 3 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo I'll probably go with GR Research H frames with Rythymik drivers using an electronic crossover to relieve the LRSs of low bass. That's supposed to help clean up the midrange.
@mrbillmacneill
@mrbillmacneill 2 года назад
I found the MG II worked very nicely with the harman kardon citation tube amp and preamp.
@andreasheiden7122
@andreasheiden7122 3 года назад
Great review! I'm tempted to try these with my Marantz PM8006 integrated amplifier, but am not sure if it can drive it. Otherwise the room is not big and I only listen at low to mid volumes. What do you think? Should I give it a try....?
@ThomasAndStereo
@ThomasAndStereo 3 года назад
Sure if the PM8006 is not class D and the wait time I think is 6 months!
@andreasheiden7122
@andreasheiden7122 3 года назад
@@ThomasAndStereo thanks Thomas. No, it's not class D. 6 months......😲
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