You are correct about that clutch being a weak link, my cousin had one on his father's early super M , HE WAS GOING UP HILL WITH HEAVY LOAD Of GREEN CORN AND IT LET GO, he went down backwards, he bailed, he survived but banged up pretty good
My earliest memories of “driving” anything was sitting in my Grandfather’s lap steering his MD. My Grandmother sold it after he died. I sure wish I had it these days.
@Farmall Fanatic In the 70s there were a lot of older farmers in our area who (even though they had newer nicer tractors) continued using their M or Super M more than the others. Last time I volunteered to rake hay for a guy was with his raggedy old M. That was a great day since I was deployed to the middle east a few weeks later.
@@FarmallFanaticI have been looking for 2 years for rims for our Miss M. Do you know a good place I can find rims or any ideas such as another model that’ll fit her? I miss seeing my husband on his tractor. 😞
My dad have his 1949 Farmall M with Mag, M&w clutch and a pull steel rod lever for high and low gear range over 25 years and never had any problems with that clutch. Still a working order.
Yes I've used an m & w hand clutch. I purchased a Farmall m about 25 years that had an m&w hand clutch. I had never seen one before. And you have to realize this is way before I knew anything at all about the internet. I just this year sold that tractor with the hand clutch because I don't use it and all it does is sit. But I really enjoy your channel for the simple fact that you are a common man.
A friend of mine grew up near the M&W plant many years ago. He said that there was a Farmall tractor that had all the M&W options! That would be nice to find that one at an auction!!
Thanks for sharing the video. They worked okay. I have ran a couple M's for neighbors that had them we didn't have one on any of our M's. My Dad rebuilt one for a neighbor in the late 70's and he had a hard time getting the parts for the hand clutch and it was expensive. I wouldn't worry about it as you have newer live power tractors these days. But I have done a lot of work with an M. One of the best tractors ever made.
I noticed the hand clutch a few years ago but didn't say anything because the handle wasn't there. I figured it didn't work anymore, and you didn't ever bring it up in one of your videos. So I figured you weren't happy about it,and didn't want to talk about it. Sometimes something like that can be a soar subject for some tractor owners. I was hoping you would do a video on it. I knew two people who had the hand clutch and it didn't work anymore or it slipped. They said the same thing "can't find parts anymore". I love the sound of your M !! It sounds like it has the M and W rebuilt kit in it also. 👍
@@FarmallFanatic nah, sometimes when people do a close up of their tractor ,I'll pause it and study it. Especially the casting dates or the serial number.
AHH nice to hear tractors run. I am completely going through my Canadian international..new sleeves just everything you could think of you name it! Even doing stuff to the crank shaft too. Nice to see tractors that aren't in 500,000 pieces
I've got a couple tractors with the m&w clutch. A couple parts tractors with it. I've got a completely restored 1950 with a working hand clutch. You are supposed to use the clutch to only disengage. You push the regular clutch in and re engage the hand clutch and release the foot clutch. It's handy to have. I would just jump on a 400 or 450 if i really needed a live pto . If your M is overheating you may need the plate that runs down the side of the block and diverts coolant around the cylinders. Had an m that would run warm and changed the thermostat, radiator cleaned, water pump, etc. The plate had worn smooth and wasn't pushing coolant around the cylinders. Changed it and boom it!! ran cool.
Pretty neat option for the Farmall M to have a M & W Hand Clutch. Back then M & W was THE top of the line upgrade of options out there for those Ol' Workhorses.
I'm glad you did a video of the M . That hand clutch would have been cool to have . When I mowed the back field it didn't bother me my M didn't have live pto . I know there are times it would be nice to have though. I got to look for that water pump grease fitting so I can grease it up . Thanks for sharing and have a great evening !
@@AnglesideFarm I should have made a video of us mowing the back field but I was enjoying being out there teaching one of my boys how to run the tractor .
Good stuff FF, thought your take on some of the so called forums was spot on, never knew there was that many experts on everything, wow 😆keep em comin hoss🇺🇸💪🏻🇺🇸
Good to get a video out of you, i really enjoy them. You are starting to get a respectable fleet of Farmalls. If you build another shed you might consider getting yourself a JD 730 row crop for cultivating corn and an MM 705 to pull a tandem disk and an Oliver Super 99 just because. LOL just a few to consider, if you want to call me names you won't be the first. My 45 M is one of my favorites and it is wintering right beside a JD 630, lol. I like most brands of tractors made in Canada, USA and even some from Commonwealth countries. Carry on sir.
Right there with ya! I think it's pathetic that so many folks lack the maturity to be able to appreciate a more vast array of colors! We have always farmed with what we could afford. Good deals and great used machines have been had in Red , Blue and Green... Oh, and Orange too! Bless'ns to ya, Tedd
That's a great option I didn't know existed. I have a Farmall H I use for tedding, raking and hay rides. But the M definitely has a deeper, throaty sound to it. Thanks for the video
I was looking for a project and saw this m advertised on an auction. It was sold as a non-runner. An old Farmall mechanic told me you might as well buy an old runner because there's no going halfway when it comes to tearing them down and replacing seals and gaskets. It had a 12-volt with alternator, The Cornhusker 3 point hitch, M&W throttle kit and a M & W live PTO which I had never seen before. A guy in New York state made a copy of his manual and sent me and I found all the clutch plates from a guy in Columbus Nebraska and the new thrust bearing in Carroll Iowa. I spent 10 years collecting more parts and three years ago completely tore it down front to back with the correct wide front end, power steering, M&W governor, and 9-speed transmission. I plow with a little genius 314 and if it's dry and hard with a little genius 216, cultivate, plant corn, potatoes, spray and mow. Plus a handful of tractor rides and a couple of plow days. Even my wife is happy!
2 Farmall fanatic. If the bracket is inside the housing on that live PTO you can make a lever to shift it in and out with the half-inch cold-rolled. I heated it up and Bennett so it I didn't catch my foot on it all the time too and out of the gear shift knob that I got from Steiner's.
Enjoy your video on the M. I have a 1954 super M with a Koyker K5 loader when I got it they were trying to run loader from the tractor hydraulics didn't get it for me so I added an oil supply tank and pto pump now loader works good but that m&w clutch would make the loader more efficient for sure
Unfortunately never had the chance to drive an M but friend of mine had an H petrol/TVO it was a great tractor to drive 💪 your M has the sound of power 💥 Red Power 💥👍
We have a hand clutch M currently. You definitely have to be careful with it. It was sort of a bucket list thing to have one, not the greatest thing to have on the list in hindsight. It is awesome mowing and so on, we don’t do hay. We slipped it out on a little 8’ jd disk. It’s cool but not for everyone
my 44 M with a 450lp head turned 62hp i had the M&W hand clutch i pulled a 10ft disk in 4th gear and a 4-14 trip plow in 3rd 8 inches deep. i never had a problem with the hand clutch.. on an un modified M the hand clutch also gave live hydraulics... i farmed with it for 3 years.
Gino, we have a guy down here by Butler that's quite a Farmall man. He gets some parts and sell some used parts kind of like mountain man he hasn't them down there that has every edition that m&w built for a Farmall m on it and it's pretty neat hot runner 2 you ever down this way I'll take you down will pay him a visit
The first work I did was an M propane. Before we bought the 560s when we plowed my Dad had 3 M and 3 2 bottom Moline drag type plows. Furrow guides on 2 and drove one. He could light a cigarette with a gopher match in any wind
Actually if adjusted correctly the hand clutch was not a weak link. In-laws bought a M new in 50 , added the clutch, behlen PS, m&w friction throttle (i have the new take off factory throttle) ,m&w power pack, Arps half tracks for doing maple syrup collecting. Steep hills with a 3 bottom plow. Did custom silage chopping with the M etc . Its north of 10,500 hours on the factory hour meter on the timing cover. Red power
The M, my favorite, no we did not have a hand clutch. I grew up learning to plow with the M. Think ours was a bit newer than yours and didn't see many hand clutches in western Massachusetts. FYI, we had an M, an H, (bucket loader), a Super C, and then a Super M a bit later. In later years, we traded the H with loader for a JD 2020 and the Super M for an 826 diesel.
Farmall Fanatic- Check out Charlie's Repair- He sells a top notch alternator bracket and the small Mini Denso 1 wire alternator. They fit perfect I have the set up on two of my tractors.
I found lights on the snow plow rig are very useful during those short days of winter when you're out pushing snow around in the dark because that's all you got or the snow stopped late and need to get the car/truck out the next morning. Easier to see what you're doing and definitely easier for others to see you're there.
I agree with you on what some people say in the Facebook groups, at least on my Cub Cadet group there are some people who are real dicks and I never understand why they even go on the groups to be assholes
I loved that you called out the Jack-Wagon Trolls! I'm pretty much a machinery chameleon. We have farmed mostly with The Dreaded Green Machines, but there's ALWAYS been a Red one and oftentimes a Blue one on the farm. I can certainly see where the M/W Clutch would be a weak point for heavy loads, but for a tractor which is used mostly for PTO work, that would be a huge benefit. Thanks for the great content. Bless'ns to ya, Tedd
Dad never had an M&W hand clutch on any of his Farmalls, 4-5 M's, 2 H's, 3 Super M's, SM-TA, Super H and a 450. But friends who did have them said it was hard to keep them adjusted so the could pull heavy drawbar loads. Dad's comment was the M&W hand clutch was the quickest way to turn an M into a 2-bottom tractor. Your M running warm, even hot pulling a 14 ft IH #370 disk in plowed ground, in 4th gear? I'd think 3rd would be fast enough. Dad had a 14 ft Krause disk he pulled with the SM-TA, bought M&W direct axle duals so he could pull it, 3rd gear was all the faster the SM-TA could handle. I disked some with that disk, with the Deere R diesel, it only had 5 forward speeds, 5th was a 11 mph road gear, I pulled the disk in 3rd. Disking corn stalks. Dad traded disks the following spring, got a 12 ft 4 inch Kewanee disk. I pulled it some in 4th gear with the 450 gas Dad traded the SM-TA for. I really wish he'd kept that SM-TA. I'd recommend looking for dual rear wheels for your M if you pull that 14 ft disk much. Your rear wheel slippage has to be crazy high. Wastes a lot of gas. A 756 diesel or 806 diesel would be a great tractor to hook on that disk.
The M is better original. That's my take. If you were pulling a baler or 1 row picker, the M&W hand clutch would be handy. I would want a good seat too, because of my spine.
Over-run clutch on the PTO is a wonderful thing, it's a $65 almost live pto lol. I put one on our '50 M because we run the field mower with it. I have the M&W governor, and I have the throttle, just need to get it installed.
Ok ive never payed attention to this m that much but now i realize about that hand clutch its more that any normal m. We also have a 1941 m with not just one but 2 interesting things. Ours has a m&w hand clutch and heistler 9 speed transmission. The heistler is jankety in some gears so we dont drive it much. Ive drove it once but it was the first farmall tractor i worked on getting running. Bc of its wackyness we just dont drive it much bc some gears arent the best, it does over heat but again it hasn't been restored but its a runner and a good driver for our few mile drives we take it on once or twice a year. The hand clutch works good though and it was from what dad told me grandpas hay tractor until they got the smta. I drove the m for the first time a little bit ago it was fun. This spring in order to get our camper out i pulled the m using our other smta 61680. Probably the most fun ive had on a farmall in 3rd gear just so dad could pull start the 41. Update: Another thing I forgot to add to the 41m it has a thing on the clutch which uses leverage so it's easier to push in the clutch petal. That was after starting all 4 of are farmalls today I remembered it.
Better fuel efficiency with a warmer engine as long as it's not over heating, I'd leave it, but keep a spare on hand, to me a 160 is a little to cool... Thanks for your videos, I enjoy on rainy days....lol
@Farmall Fanatic no real reason, just figured if the throttle was changed and the clutch added maybe some other parts were added too. Plus it looks like it pulls great and has plenty of power for the 15.5s
Interesting m n d clutch.never knew. Seen u pulling disc's. That tractor must be bored out. Was told u could get 65 hp outa a m. My 656 would struggle with 14s
Excellent video Gino :) also I know when childhood days from 1983 to 1997 on home farm my late dad & his brother my uncle for Handmill they do light work make chop feed with 1950 Cockshutt 40 gas fuel tractor only had 550 RPM PTO and for when need 1000 RPM PTO put 1968 International 624 A Desiel on plus get recharge battery up full too! But Cockshutt was running okay use 1963 McCormick International B414 Loader tractor Desiel fuel tractor had 550 RPM PTO ! Then for 1984 to 1996 on Handmill the 1968 624 because 550 and 1000 PTO speeds when got in 1989 the International 724 B loader Desiel fuel use swap both one week each tractor doing chop feed both had 550 & 1000 RPM PTO speeds plus recharge battery to and get ready to oil change plus fuel filters or hydraulics fluid plus transmission! My dad say at Breakfast time get the 624 or 724 fire up in 8:00am for day work chop feed on Saturday and Sunday Lol ! Yes Gino teach me new things on Farmall did not know about plus something help you with too but hand Clutch didn't know M though say you changed front end of Row crop to wide end type ? But I enjoy your RU-vid videos and lots fun and funny at times too!
I wondered when you would get around to telling the story on that M&W. Can't blame ya for doing what you did to make the tractor work. I might have done the same. Or, maybe I would pull the parts and sell em off, IF I had access to a donor tractor with all of the original M parts. (to fully delete the hand clutch) But heck, it runs as-is. Aint broke, don't "fix" it. Right?
You seem to have the farmall ms figured out. Weird question but figured I’d ask. I’m replacing my axle seals on mine right now and want to replace the pto seal too because it leaks when brush hogging. But struggling on line to find what seal I need. And I don’t want to have it all torn apart in the way in our shop and not be able to find the right seal
Dad had both an H and am M when I was growing up. I put quite a few hours on the M mostly pulling a disc. Fourth gear with a disc that big? Even with flat ground and sandy soil I have a hard time believing that. We had soil with quite a few rocks and clay.plus some hillside. Second gear most of the time. For some reason that tractor liked to pop out of third gear. That M was a hard steering beast. One of the biggest mistakes that Dad made was trading the M off for a B414 diesel. That thing was not made for our kind of farming at all. Besides, it was bought as a basket case project tractor. It was our third project tractor and Dad never get some of the bugs out.
Hey now I noticed the m&w clutch slightly before that's how I recognized it is my grandpas tractor lol she was always was a hoss. And ya my grandpa and day put that seat on both Ms we had on the farm. Also if you look close i believe the hydraulics are m&w also
I see your plans got 2 Super C one For diskin and other for plowing and got to fast hitch cubs on for plowing other for discing the M is for big diskin H is for planting and brush hogging Last cub is for with mowing deck is for brush hogging 756 is for cult mulching 400 is for a loader and last but not less the A is for spraying and pulling
As long as I've owned the tractor I've never changed the thermostat and I have a sneaking suspicion that it's been a very long time since it's been changed
Nice old M that gets used. Dad has an H that we need to restore and a super c. Don't know much about MW hand clutch. We have a allis WD45 with hand clutch and it seems stout
I never saw that on that tractor before. Just never saw a good shot of it. It's really unfortunate that I didn't know about this before. A friend of mine had a parts W-6 with a M&W live PTO. He passed away and it went to scrap. I might have been able to get you parts for that for cheap if I would have known you were looking for parts a few months ago. It was no use to us as we never had a tractor with that attachment.
That's just a good old M. They love yo run. They don't like to sit. Fuel treatment and filter change and it should be good to go. Maybe run the disc in 3rd wouldn't hurt.
@@FarmallFanatic I’ve never pulled anything ridiculous with it, a little genius 2 bottom a few times. It wears a mounted 2MH corn picker so it really doesn’t see any heavy tillage use, the corn pickers do add an extra 3000 pounds though. Im the kid that met you at that auction in Smithfield Ohio back in November.
That’s a fun fact about the tractor. I wondered if a chicken would make an appearance and I wasn’t disappointed! Lol. Is that a mean rooster back there?
MW hand clutch were not a real great item most guys in my area said they were ok if your were using the pto... I have actually seen them burned up with heavy tillage use . I have a super H in my sights with a 9 speed lol
15.5-38's. What width are your rims? I just picked up a farmall 300 with 11 inch rims and rotten 13.6-38's. Wondering if the 15.5's are too fat to step up to
