My Girlfriend REACTS to Naruto Shippuden EP 165 (Reaction/Review) 

Lindsay: "Hinata, what are you doing? Get in here!" Carson: haha... *nervous, fake, obligatory laugh

i love how Pain dropped the god complex around Naruto. "We are both just ordinary men" was one of the coolest lines.

Lindsay is wrong, the scenario Pain wants to create is literally what we are in, in real life. The only reason the world is at ''peace'' is cuz of those nukes that are always on stanby and because of the fear. We are literally living proof that Pain's idea would and does work XD

Love him or Hate him, Agree or Disagree with him, Pain is undoubtedly one of the best villains in anime 🧡

“He is taking Naruto’s teachers out one by one” Pain is fighting for his life too lol. Do you expect him to let himself get caught in the genjutsu.

Konan to Nagato: "Nagato don't push yourself Lindsay: "push yourself....Almighty Push!"

that's what's really interesting about Pain, Lindsay said that he isn't reinventing the cycle but basically adding to it and making it bigger and it makes sense, the cycle is not possible to be broken so using that very cycle that prevents peace to create peace is the only actual solution, tho in a world of magical powers multiple answers can be achieved but Pain alone is the one with the most realistic idea that can apply to the real world, despite obviously being a puppet himself I truly think Pain was the one who understood humanity and the nature of the world the most in the show

Next time: Pain: Lindsay, do you hate me now? Lindsay: *YEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH*

If you don't agree with Pain destroying the village than why should he stop , let Naruto stop the cycle of revenge and do nothing to Pain 🤷‍♂️ but Naruto already fall to the same logic when he said "First I'm gonna kill you " he confirms Pain logic . So I think we shouldn't be hypocrite just because Naruto and the Village are our side.

Konan: "Nagato don't push yourself" Lindsey: *push yourself* 😄

Pain is necessary for Naruto to grow and understand what hatred is . I think Nagato’s point is ( know PAIN feel PAIN and when we understand the pain of each other we will stop hurting others )

Pain is a character who named himself with his philosophy to pain i like how he potrays and wants to create peace yhis is the best speech in the whole naruto verse hands down he devastated destroyed the top village among nations made them shit their pants but still i appreciate her because when she knows about their backstory its literally the sad how nagato was You still dont know about pain.

Konoha and the other major villages definitely look bad right here. They trampled all over the hidden rain in those wars and then just left? I mean aren't we supposed to think of Konoha as good? They couldn't help rebuild a nation they just fucked over? Also, we all know everlasting peace can't be achieved, so i have to push back on Lindsay for calling Pain dumb for only believing in cycles of peace. Thats the only kind of peace that exists. To her credit she is right about real peace, people have to spread goodness and hope that the peoples lives they touch spread it as well, but thats definitely a slow process and the incentives against peace may be too strong in a lot of scenarios. (Resources for example) Also, the people suffering in the mean time are just supposed to wait for peace to be achieved? What should the people of the hidden rain have done when their village was being fucked over? Tough situations all around and this is why i love pain. He brings a lot of complexity to the series.

I was right lindsey was triggered on pain's philosophy is but calling pain stupid that's a bit too much in my personal perspective and she's too one-sided in her judgement in pain's cycle of hatred episode because there are two sides in a same coin there not just konoha itself and naruto's and pain's personal point of view too.Regardless if lindsey's love or hate of pain is there but the cycle of hatred that's very real in the modern world as well but you get the picture but job well done discussing it with carson about that so kudos to it.

Carson made a great point with the Japan during WW2.

I find the difference between how people like Lindsay watches media and how people like Carson(me included) watches media very interesting. Lindsay sees everything purely through the eyes of the main characters. She experiences the story as if she is literally there with them. That’s why she can’t really appreciate a cool villain, because they do heinous shit and why would she think they’re cool for that. But Carson views entertainment more as a third party. So when a bad guy does heinous shit, but it has cool animation for example, he gets excited for it, while Lindsay most likely would be angry at whats happening.

Pain's ideology makes perfect sense. If you think about it, why was there no World War 3 after 1 and 2? Because of nuclear deterrence. This world has known Pain and now knows true Peace.

Pain wants to create a world similar to our real one, where all nations are afraid of nuclear weapons. Pain understands that only the fear of losing what is dear to you will keep the peace in the world. I hope Lindsay will understand over time :)

Some people have doubts about This, so to clear things up a little: When Pain says he's a God what he means IS that he's a God (not nagato). The persona Pain is a God, nagato is an ordinary Man. The main thing you gotta understand IS that nagato is talking through Pain, That's why Pain sometimes is speaking in third person, because is nagato doing It.

Naruto had no answer how to end the cycle of revenge and hate, Lyndsy also has no answer. You have to accept Pain and know Pain to know true Peace.

What pain did just somehow look like what Eren did to Marley at season 4 A lot of people hype and cheering Eren when attacking Marley at last season The difference between them is Pain introduce as Villain Eren introduce as protagonist

Sometimes Lindsay suprises me with her intelligence , this time wasn't the case

And at least Pain have a method even if it's 10% effective it's better than the "I don't know" of Naruto , you shouldn't criticize anything without a replacement for it .

"Do You Hate Me Now ?!" 😈 ...

Seing her so pissed with Pain, can't wait to see her reaction for the next episode lmao

Love the fact that she’s trying so desperately to try and say Nagato’s wrong when she can’t even keep a sentence going without pausing because she knows she can’t deny Nagato’s statements

Pain -> Tailed Beast Weapons -> Momentary peace Western powers -> Nukes -> World peace for almost 80 years, with only smaller and limited conflicts, a peace that is slowly crumbling away even in the Western countries as time passes and people forget the pain of war.

I got to say you explained it well to her, that's exactly what Pain is supposed to be. Most of the times in the real world, pain's method has been used by nations, the world war resulted in UN, so they made a UN after US bombed Japan. No one can say which is wrong and right because those who say Pain is wrong, they haven't got any idea how peace can be made and don't know what to do except just wait and watch like a fool, the OTHER SIDE can't exactly say that pain is right but what he is doing will bring peace however momentary, who knows that it even might bring peace for a very long time obviously not indefinitely.

I understand what Lindsay is saying but u gotta understand where pain is coming from .... This is literally real life ..... Anyways awesome reaction guys.. keep em comin

So she is saying the leaf has the right to attake and destroy his village but he is stupid, he wants to show them what rules the World by taking revange.

Lyndsay argument is a first of many that's is surprising. But for me the part that makes you think would be when he says "The same justice you want to do to me is the same one I'm doing right now", "What's your answer?". I'm prety surprised at Lyndsay response

10:23 the way she shakes her haid looks like she cant admit it when pain exposed konoha of their hypocrisy.

I think Lindsey can't see the forrest for the pain

hating pain just proves his point

How does she still hate him 😂🤦🏽‍♂️

Pain’s speech will forever be one of the best imo

Probably the best fight in the whole series. If not, then still definitely one of the best. It just had everything in terms of emotions.

20:22 is false. The sand and the leaf were allies already. Oro just killed the kage and impersonated him leading them into war against the leaf. It had nothing to do with Naruto. After the war they surrendered and became allies again which is why the sand siblings helped with the Sasuke mission.

Ah, Pain’s Cycle of Hatred. This is the definitive episode and speech that defined Pain as the best Naruto villain and one of the best characters in all of anime. It didn’t matter whether you hated/dislike or liked/loved him, he was simply speaking nothing but the factual truth of reality that reflects our own.

17:44 Just wanna say that the people who died in nagatos village were also innocent. So that is not a good argument.

The never ending Cycle of Hatred. That's really deep! I love those words. I understand Pain's point of view/get were he is coming from. Everyone can relate with that, it happens even in real life _the never ending cycle of hatred._

SPOILER: Pain was right, the only thing that created momentary peace at the end of Shippuden was the threat of Madara Uchiha, a threat that forced people to cooperate like the tailed beast weapons imagined by Nagato

(NO SPOILERS): Carson you could show this To Lindsay or read It yourself, these are Really good reflections about pain's stuff and these current episodes. You could even make a special separated video about pain's speech and then discuss about It. I'd Love to see It. The whole Pain's speech makes sense because it's real life Stuff. Pain's ideologies are so Dope because they apply to Our Real world, they are reasonable things to do. Pain isnt contradicting himself when he starts referring to himself as "an ordinary Man" ( he's dropping his pretense of beeing a "God" to truly have a heart-to-heart conversation with naruto as fellow disciples because he truly wants Naruto to understand his motives and see things from his perspectives ). We as the audience generally side with Naruto and the hidden Leaf because they're the "main characters" of the story. Pain is "GIVING VOICE" to others here in the world that also suffer. I totally agree when Pain says "Humans are not the most intelligent creatures", due to the fact that we're essently a virus on the planet because we literatelly destroy other species and the environment of our planet, so yeah biologically speaking pain is 1000% correct. On the other hand, From our perspective (human perspective) pain is mad because he wants to Destroy nations and people? ( That's The same thing that the Leaf has done too and great nations do today in our real world as well , i'm wrong?? ) Plus Pain is "GIVING VOICE" to other nations ( in this case he means especially small nations, like his, which was devasted because the Leaf started the War ) that also suffer in the world, why is it ONLY Far And OK for the hidden Leaf to have peace and justice when everybody else in The world also suffer Pain?? Lmao He's calling out the hipocrisy Naruto and The Leaf are trying to justify themselves. Pain's Idea for achieving peace IS MAD (mutually assured destruction), which is the same system thats in place in OUR REAL WORLD today to deter nuclear War. He wants a world where M.A.D will keep the peace for a while and when it breaks, when people use tail Beats, they"ll experience pain again, and That pain will force them to Go back to the period of peace. This will continue over and over, that pain will keep humanities violent Nature in check, allowing peace to exist. You can definitely disagree with Pains ideias of achieving peace, however with his marvelous speech You Just can't because he's spitting Facts after Facts here. Thanks a Million kishimoto for creating the masterpiece of the show called "Lord Pain". Pain's is My favorite character in all Animes. For me One of the Greatest characters Ever created in fiction. Easily top 10. So Lit. By Far The Best Written character kishimoto created. Not Itachi nor Any other character beats Pain as a character in this series.

The point with pain ideology is that At that point pain only had this solution He asked naruto for an answer but naruto replied, "I don't have an answer" So he thinks that a temporary solution is better than no solution That's how real world works

Pain and Eren are the same type of character

Lindsay is wrong here and unfortunately she’s too emotional to see what pain truly is

I hate going there...but lets remember how and why we have such peace and comfort in our 1st world countries.

People who think that hidden leaf village are the good guys: 🤡🤡🤡🤡

Massive Spoiler Lindsay! Don’t read! It’s crazy to think that Konoha created all of their enemies. Madara, Obito, Nagato, Sasuke, even “allied” enemies like Itachi and almost Naruto. Chino once told Sasuke that Konoha is a great village, but it’s roots are black. It’s sad to think that, even if they were used, both Itachi, Sasuke, and even Naruto are extremely loyal to the leaf, but it’s great that Naruto & Sasuke are now basically the owners of the hidden leaf.

Next couple of episodes are some of the best in the entire show imo, can’t wait

20:50 “It’s time to change how your world operates” This is actually hilarious. It actually gave me Game of Thrones vibes when Sam says pretty much “Why wouldn’t we just let everyone vote instead of having a hereditary monarchy?” and everyone just fucking burst out laughing and rightfully so. Changes like that do not happen in a second, sometimes it takes decades to transform especially if there is literally no specific idea of what exactly are you going to change and how. “I want all wars to end now and forever from now on!” is not an idea of bringing peace, it’s a demand made by a cranky child

Again, the voice acting is on par with the Japanese voice acting. The voice acting in these past few episodes have given me chills, especially this one. I do not remember how the voice acting is in the next episode (dubbed) but I'm sure it will be greatness like in this episode.

Linday definitely have interesting take. Can't wait to see her reaction at the end of the arc. it's at ep 172 and 173 i think. I hope that she'll give her full opinion on what she thinks about the entire Pain Arc.

I watched reaction episode 165 just to see how everyone reacts. They have different opinions, very interesting 😀

Ok, she doesn’t understand yet

Pain is a masterpiece of Kishimoto!

Oh man I was waiting so long for this episode reaction. It is truly a fascinating to see that how general people think about Pain's Ideals.

you are so wrong lady... "how is it fair to only allow you people to preach about peace and justice"?

Pain's whole point is "speak softly and carry a big stick." He wants to break the cycle by making a stick so big no one wants to fight.

Hi Carson, Linsay isn't that wrong with summoning Kasuju, even when she is already there. This is never mentored in the Manga/Anime, but it is written in the Naruto Data Books (Jin) .... Katsuju is a mega gigantic slug living in the Shikkotsu Forest.... Tsunade only summons a little part of the original Slug. So yes, if Sasukra would be able to summon her as well, there could be multiple Katsujus at the same time :)

Will be interesting to see her thoughts on Madara and Obito's plan of eternal peace

Does Lindsay ever like a villain? Just a genuine question

kinda like how god used the flood or disasters to bring humans back from self-destruction

You know the villain is great when people automatically hate him. Good thing Naruto got some intellect boost during his training. He keeps coming up with out of the box strategies.

One of the reason why people can't understand each other because the hate make them blind about the truth and deny the fact. (This is an advice when you get mad) That's why it's better for we to be quiet when we're mad because "when they're angry, they immediately judging and punish without thinking the consequence."

if Naruto was born in pain's village his vision of justice would be exactly the same as pain's, so according to u Lindsay pain should've kept quiet and not seek revenge for his dead village and family, just like pain says someone with your mindset clearly has never experienced actual pain and what it feels like to lose all your loved ones, that's why you think he's stupid but really he's not, he has the exact same logic as we do and the same that the leaf village does, now, he attacked the leaf village, if he tells them "ok I did that because y'all started it and killed all my village" do you think they're gonna be "ooh ok then we're all good" of course not, they'll want to kill him, so why it is ok if they do it, but not ok if he does it?

Pain is right tho, only after we knew the pain of modern war in WW2 did we create the UN, pain teaches us something valuable and since nobody wants to experience pain again they will take measures and these very measures are the ones that will keep the peace. And Carson is right, momentary peace is way better than constant war.

I understand that she is angry with Pain xD, but he has a very strong point, I remember seeing this for the first time and I thought, "man, I don't have an answer either", he left Naruto speechless, the person who arcs before didn't shut up his mouth in front of any enemy, he knows that Pain is right, humans cannot understand each other in a world as cruel as the shinobi, I love Pain as a character, it is very well written and perfectly represents the cycle of hatred, perhaps more than the other villains that will appear later

Here in Pain's defence : If his plan of peace doesn't bring a permanent solution to the endless cycle of hatred and is only a momentarily solution then how come Naruto's way of thinking and his noble ideals are good enough to bring a everlasting peace? I agree to the fact that power in a single hand can be refered to as dictatorship, we all know that's it a curse even if we compare it to the present world, also if we take real world in consideration and say "shinobi villages/lands as real countries" u can clearly see that there is no such thing as *TRUE PEACE* there are always countries fighting for land, resources, terrorism etc. They are weak and hollow inside cuz there are always things such as murders, theft, fraud and not to mention rapes. So for me this idea of peace by simple and generous methods is a no go. On the other hand by pain's methods there can atleast be some momentarily peace and that will be good enough cuz that my friend is going to be the purest form of peace with no weak spots at all. Pardon me if I mispelled anything cuz english is not my vernacular and even if someone got hurt. This is my way of sharing my thoughts on pain's ideals. NO HATE ONLY PEACE 😂

It almost happen to everyone who watch Pain arc. At first when Pain kills and messed up with every main and important character in Naruto they will hate him. But after Nagato resurrect everyone that he kill since the first time he arrive at the village,especially when he give his last speech and story about Jiraya,Yahiko and Konan and when the Pain arc end people will say "I really love Pain,Pain arc is one of the best arc in anime history,etc". Lol I always found out people reaction like that

So apparently Lindsay has never heard of an atom bomb before. Or what happened to Japan.

In the real world they have nuclear bombs. So far, no world wars happened since that invention. That's basically Pain's philosophy

Pain wants others to feel the pain he feels. And by doing so than understanding each other is a huge step in peace. And just because someone becomes a friend doesnt mean it says that way forever.

It's not momentary peace. Pain wants to create a big power able to judge those who dare hurt any person. (yeah, like an actual state) Pain said "Humans can't understand each other and they never will" just like real humans. We live under the state protection, we've donated our "strength" to the state, so the state will give us protection. That what's pain wants. The realist solution ever.

It's fascinating how differently we perceive these characters.

Lindsay might be letting her hate cloud her judgment. she says pain's "temporary peace" AKA mutually assured destruction would never work. especially when we have a really big real-life example of said method working (cold war).

pains idea was to make all nations that was warring eachother to destroy eachother to see the errors of their ways by letting all of them kill eachother and inflict mass killing on each side. The mass of deaths was his idea of people letting pain and reality smack them in the face and be like "oh shit didnt like that, lets not fight ever again"

Crazy how Linsday has the same answer as Naruto at the end of the arc, big brain.

Your hate towards pain ends when you realize all of his words are true!

Girl calm dawn! :D

They should watch one more ep today 😭

Lindsay is too biased against Pain and not really understanding his speech. There are a lot of proxy wars going on in the world. This applies to today. Ppl dying, losing family members, homes etc. when they become the next Pain, what will you say to them? Pain is nuanced and his speech is one of the best. Wished Lindsay gave more nuanced reply than saying “ he is wrong, hate him”. If you can feel Konoha Pain, then you should feel Pains’ Pain what happened to their land, family after the Wars.

pains philosophy is the greatest, the peace tht naruto brought is slowly ending in just like 15 years

Pain is just trying to save us from Boruto

Hay don't call him stupid I like villan more than heros they all wants piece in their world i love Madara, Obito, Itachi, Pain All of them work hard to achieve piece in their ways. Black zetsu is the one how cause all of this and the uchiha tabet

Makes sense to me when tragedy came to the US in 9/11 everyone grieved, they all felt that pain. As Ibiki the interrogation specialist guy said “pain is the most reliable form of communication” which is sad. So eventually America stopped grieving and planned ahead what to do but of course didn’t have all the facts and more deaths occurred. It reminds me the movie Watchmen, where Ozymandias is responsible for 50 million deaths. In order to stop a nuclear war, all that war was stopped because of the pain that suddenly befell everyone. Imagine something liken that happening in real life? That type of disaster would teach everyone through pain to become a pacifist...

the allegory is what stops wars between these great nations.... like the usa germany brittian russia japan, what stopped those great wars.... the threat of the tailed beast (atom) bomb. nations have pease between wars of course, but the 2nd great ninja war was jariahs fight the 3rd great ninja war was when kakashi was a teenager, this has been going on and on, and in our world it wasn't much diffrent, untill mutually assured destruction by means of the atom bomb, the major powers of the world haven't made direct war with each other for about 80 years, that's insane historically, the irony is that we know it causes more proxy wars and lesser nations still get the worst end, but this story also comes out of japan, the only nation to be hit by the atomic bomb, twice, to end the war, is it stupid? perhaps... but in real life..... well, do we have a better way that actually works? we don't have a pure hearted superhero who's strong enough to singe handedly stop the baddies, and even if we did we'd need them to be able to scout out all the underhanded schemers, like a supernarutobatman

What pain is talking about is called "Nuclear Deterrance" and it's a real thing. It's also a flawed system that as we know doesn't actually work.

but pain was right.humanity will return yo war again and again as our real world.konoha shall taste what have done as the cause of war beczuse nagato was also inocent kid and yet he lost his village and his family beczuse of the leaf who waged war.

I’m going to comment first just to spite the people who usually do.

She just hates him and denying the fact that he is right he himself said it that it's just momentarily peace unless you give him another idea which Naruto doesn't have or anyone he met have so that's why he is doing it

Its not lindsey's fault i think....that was our first reaction of when pain killed kakashi and destroyed the village(in mind he killed jiraiya as well). We can say that she's being biased and all but its obvious.... if we wouldn't have saw nagato's story, i don't think we would've liked the character as we do now and (SPOILER) he (nagato) who has given up on everything and wants "peace" was opposite of jiraiya's determination of bringing peace to the world... and when he saw the same determination in naruto.... he understood his mistake and to atone for his sins he sacrifices himself to save the village so i won't exactly call it "talk no jutsu"... but yeah... we love the character because we know what made him this Btw love your reactions... react on black clover sometime And yeah carson PLZ protect her from spoilers like naruto's spoilers are everywhere .........i knew that kakashi was the 6th hokage before pain arc that ruined that movement (Although i had no clue about rinne birth) But whatever Love ur reactions Good day!

Pain' speech it is amazing, a little bit nihilistic but with so much sense

I mean pain speaking facts he isn’t a villain he’s trying to get even

bro she’s so mad she can’t even see the truth 😂 pain is the goat tbh

14:55 sometimes people hate the truth

the problem is people who only have visions of "peace" stays only as vision. we want a peaceful world then what are we going to do about it? just talk hoping that it would just happen? pain understand the war deeper, naruto looked like a kid playing hero with no concrete plans afterwards.

You know this is why Pain is one of the most favorite antagonist of all time... I mean his way of thinking is different from naruto and naruto bring peace to shinobi world but if you think practically the pain's way of thinking is more relevant to any world even in our real world and what naruto have done to bring peace is practically impossible... So we can relate to pain other than any of the character just like itachi...!!!!💜💜💜

Is it me or does Lindsay has two different color eyes and if she does that’s pretty cool

Pain is essentially talking about creating nukes, and yes nukes have prevented USA and Russia from engaging into full blown war. And yes fear works.