The Delay method is definitely the best. Me to noticed the small glitches in the double take method. I think that's something Line6 definitely should put some time in to approve. Great demo by the way. 👍
Yes, I agree. Hopefully Line 6 will improve the Double Take effect. Although I'd say it's a lot more convenient than the delay approach though as you don't have to mess about with the output block.
What I've noticed, is that for both, the left side is clearly louder than the right side. But on my DAW the recorded volume levels are the same, do you have an explanation for this phenomenon ? I'm starting to think that it's just my right hear that is weak... Any ideas ? I personnaly use the delay trick, and I always boost the delay level on the right side of 3dB to compensate...
In this demo I prefer the delay method. But for it to be a bit more convincing as a double take effect, you could use different IRs (or EQ/amps) for each side and make the delayed side slight louder than the original side. Both sides being same volume just makes the sound seem panned to the original side most of the time. The delay being louder solves that, as it becomes more obvious. I do the delay trick in a digital mixer sometimes. I just double the guitar mic into a second channel, hard pan, use different EQ and compression and delay one of them anything from 3ms to 30ms.
Thanks for that! I've also recently been trying the ADT effect on the Helid. It's a lot more comprehensive as a double tracking tool as it offers different ways to offset the left and right, similar to what you were describing.
Hi, Just came across your video ... for me the delay set up sound better, wider (as you pointed out) and les kind of pan modulation compared to the double Take. That said the double take adds this "pan modulation" which is an effect in itself ... different sounds, but both are usable in different context. Thanks for your comparison.
They're both nice effects when I listen on headphones - the delay slightly more noticeable and maybe better. Are they as noticeable through a PA though? I'd like to add it to some of my presets. Some nice tones too btw
I find the delay to sound much better. Not sure why. The double take effect has something in it which "disturbs". p.s. your Helix videos are great. Just found your channel.
Delay (Haas effect) sounds better on headphones, but it has serious issues with phasing in live reproduction, google it. Double time can be set up so that it doesn't change original sound, check Jason Sadites's video.
Thanks for that. It sounds fascinating. A techie friend of mine was taking my use of 23ms for the delay (in double tracking FX) and calculating phase (or some other nerdy stuff, lol) in front of house. I suspect what you're talking about is somehow related to this. I'll definitely have to look into it! Especially if it doesn't sound so good out front.
hello ,would be very grateful if you help me, I want to buy my first pedal which is an "East river drive *(TS808 clone) Electro Harmonix but if I buy that pedal I would not have any money left over for another one that I need, if I buy the Behringer TOO800 I could buy another pedal, but I want to know if the response and how the pedal feels is very similar to your "Bonsai" or ts808, my pedals are for "home studio" not Not for live events but I want to hear the closest thing to a tube screamer with the TO800,What do you think? Thanks I used google translate
I think the Behringer TO800 would be great for you, especially using it at home where you don't have to worry about it breaking on stage. Compared with the Bonsai and original TS808, the Behringer was really good. I'd happily use it for TS purposes. At times, I even preferred its sound to the Bonsai. Basically, it does what a Tube Screamer does. And for the money, it's definitely worth it. Hope that helps and good luck with your decision.
I concurr, I own a couple of Behringer products (not that particular pedal) and find them entirely satisfactory; however, they aren't really robust enough for stage use
Many, many, years ago I was visiting a fancy science museum (Chicago) long before I became a musical instrument tech; and there was an exhibit: an old 'phone handset you picked it up, pressed a button, a tone was played, then a tone was repeated, but you had a rotary dial to tune it up, or down, to match your memory of the tone... I matched it within 3Hz variation. Human hearing is about a 3Hz variation. I'm not saying I had perfect pitch, but damn close... and I went deaf as child 🙄 I get asked how can you tune an instrument... years of experience, some fancy oscilloscope type tools, and a pair of bloody deaf ears that got fixed by a clever surgeon in Arbroath Infirmary, about 50 years ago
