My Love of Friedrich Nietzsche

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In today's video, I talk about the philosopher and thinker Friedrich Nietzsche, who has profoundly changed my life.
Robert Greene is the author of the New York Times bestsellers The 48 Laws of Power, The Art of Seduction, The 33 Strategies of War, The 50th Law, Mastery, The Laws of Human Nature, and most recently, The Daily Laws.
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@RobertGreeneOfficial 4 месяца назад

Have you read the works of Friedrich Nietzsche? Who is your favorite philosopher? Drop a comment ⬇

@richardkalmwater5996 4 месяца назад

Nietzsche and it is not even close. Nietzsche, unlike most philosophers, understood human nature better than most. And Nietzsche, unlike most philosophers understood women which modern man needs to emulate. And as Nietzsche advised, when dealing with women, bring a whip...

@bobisaiah4067 4 месяца назад

Friedrich Nietzsche and Albert Camus.

@iustin.12 4 месяца назад

@@richardkalmwater5996recommend me a book to start with from nietzche

@BhartiJoshi158 4 месяца назад

Haven't read anything but I will read from now on. You are my inspiration, Sir. I wish I could be like you. ♥️✨

@Z2wastaken 4 месяца назад

Greene is my favorite.

@tuckerwhite5884 4 месяца назад

"The strength of a man is measured by how much truth he can tolerate, or more precisely, to what extent he needs it muted, diluted, falsified."

@te9591 4 месяца назад

Is that from Nietzsche?

@tuckerwhite5884 4 месяца назад

@@te9591 Yes, it's from Beyond Good And Evil.

@TRUVIANGREY 4 месяца назад

So true. It makes me think about the concept of someone not being able to handle the truth. And that if you can handle the truth, you are a strong person.

@te9591 4 месяца назад

@tuckerwhite5884 that sounds really insightful, im always amazed by select Nietzche quotes.

@ginafarley6190 4 месяца назад

It’s about facing the demons. Things you don’t like and don’t want to experience, but here they are. Regardless

@Laughing_In_Iowa 4 месяца назад

My favorite quote of his : “And Those Who Were Seen Dancing Were Thought To Be Insane By Those Who Could Not Hear The Music.” 💃🕺

@PropunKla 4 месяца назад

My favorite Nietzsche quote, "To those human beings who are of any concern to me I wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities-I wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: I have no pity for them, because I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not-that one endures.". I adore your work Robert and these videos explain more and more why.

@mazi.ifeanyichiukwujoachim3350 4 месяца назад

Wow. Robert Greene's works ought to be declared classified information/knowledge. Just kidding, not until I finish his books

@ayushkanekar5698 4 месяца назад

Man thats truth

@Phelix-fe8uo 4 месяца назад

Him saying so is his putting more ground work to his nihilism I think this could be something new as his idea of pain is that it's liberating according to this quote I believe that pain can be eye-opening to the sufferings that we have and it's something that unites us but I think that for non nihilists the comfort of the know is much better as I would prefer somethings to be sweet and beautiful

@brianjones9780 4 месяца назад

@@Phelix-fe8uo Nietzsche is far from nihilist. Nihilism claims life has no meaning. Nietzsche claims suffering is what gives life meaning. Attaining beautiful and nice things without suffering for them makes one's soul fat. Better to face hardship and struggle for it first, then you'll have an appetite for it.

@alena-qu9vj 4 месяца назад

Haughty words for somebody who ended in a looneyhouse...

@pdhansten 4 месяца назад

Nietzsche’s writings on suffering saved my life. I was 40 and going through a very dark period. I am now 80 and have now read virtually everything he wrote. His brilliance and insights are astonishing. I love him too!

@Meta-Think 4 месяца назад

Which quotes are your favorite?

@th3g3ntl3man08 4 месяца назад

Which books?

@wiacco 3 месяца назад

@@th3g3ntl3man08that’s such a funny question. To understand Nietzsche you’ll have to first read Greek mythologie, other philosophy and history from his time, and then you’ll have to read all of his books at least once, if you want to understand him. Thus spoke Zarathustra is his best work in my opinion, after gay science. To understand these works takes years and lots of thinking.

@Aldarionz9 2 месяца назад

@@wiacco finally after all that thinking,they go crazy like he did.Meltdown!

@kousikreddy Месяц назад

Does reading him made you rich?

@Zlata1Z 4 месяца назад

All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth. - Friedrich Nietzsche.

@kurts4867 4 месяца назад

exactly.......e.g. the marxist & commies forced u to believe things that were not true because of power

@alena-qu9vj 4 месяца назад

Exactly. Above all the interpretation of Nietzsches work.

@3looming314 4 месяца назад

@@alena-qu9vj Nietzsche would disagree lmao

@gamezswinger 4 месяца назад

Nicolaus Copernicus, a Renaissance-era mathematician and astronomer, proposed a heliocentric model of the solar system. Copernicus suggested that the Sun, rather than the Earth, was at the center of the universe, and that the Earth and other planets revolved around it. The Catholic Church was initially resistant to Copernicus's heliocentric theory for several reasons: Biblical interpretation, Aristotelian cosmology, and challenges to authority. The Catholic Church (power) over the heliocentric model (the truth).

@tecategpt1959 4 месяца назад

@@gamezswingerthe heliocentric model may be true, but it still would be “power prevailing”. It doesnt stop at the catholic church or any religious organizations. It goes beyond that, every bit of information you know either came from someone before you or you yourself had experienced it

@michaelfbuckley 4 месяца назад

Reading Nietzsche changed the way I looked at the world, and at the same time, it validated some of the beliefs I could not articulate. He was an amazing thinker and writer.

@iam_anand 3 месяца назад

i totally agree with u .while reading his book it felt like talking to my self... I also faced little difficulty while reading him.

@AAL--gk2pu Месяц назад

“Without Nietzsche, life would be a mistake.”

@ArmwrestlingJoe 4 месяца назад

Neitzsche’s philosophy of optimism and vigor for life have really helped me create a compass for my own life

@richardw3347 4 месяца назад

what book is that in, if you don't mind? I'm very curious now since this video.

@ArmwrestlingJoe 4 месяца назад

@@richardw3347 it’s scattered throughout his writings I haven’t read all his work but thus spoke Zarathustra and beyond good and evil are good examples. it’s recommended to not start with the former

@ArmwrestlingJoe 4 месяца назад

@@richardw3347 I get most of my Neitzsche information from the “essentialsalts” RU-vid channel which breakdowns a lot of his writings. Those ideas are scattered throughout his writings but he also evolved as he got older so he was always like this. He was considered a pessimist by many but refuted it strongly

@reidchikezie1161 4 месяца назад

Thus Spoke Zarathustra, the best book of philosphy ever written, his Mona Lisa@@richardw3347

@tecategpt1959 4 месяца назад

@@jamelcarpenter327People read nietzsche as some pessimist. He is a very optimistic philosopher however him banishing the hinterwelt was probably unrealistic

@savvmoreland3595 4 месяца назад

It's pretty cool that the way he feels about Nietzsche is how I feel about his writings! 😊

@willfriedland 4 месяца назад

Great video! Reading Nietzsche sometimes gives me the feeling of doing something "not allowed." It feels like stealing from the cookie jar of wisdom.

@3looming314 4 месяца назад

always, always

@santacruzman8483 4 месяца назад

“Nietzsche was the one who did the job for me. At a certain moment in his life, the idea came to him of what he called 'the love of your fate.' Whatever your fate is, whatever the hell happens, you say, 'This is what I need.' It may look like a wreck, but go at it as though it were an opportunity, a challenge. If you bring love to that moment--not discouragement--you will find the strength is there. Any disaster you can survive is an improvement in your character, your stature, and your life. What a privilege! This is when the spontaneity of your own nature will have a chance to flow. Then, when looking back at your life, you will see that the moments which seemed to be great failures followed by wreckage were the incidents that shaped the life you have now. You’ll see that this is really true. Nothing can happen to you that is not positive. Even though it looks and feels at the moment like a negative crisis, it is not. The crisis throws you back, and when you are required to exhibit strength, it comes.” ~ Joseph Campbell

@tomhardyy1 4 месяца назад

I'm from Nepal, especially from priests family and a buddhist. I love philosophy because it gives you a different way to look at world and different want to live. I have read Robert Greene's Mastery and it's really wonderful. I know my life task now. I would love to understand Nietzsche in Robert Greene new book. And i can't wait for the Sublime.

@mustakimredwan3632 4 месяца назад

Man, it feels like you are saving me from so much future trouble. Very grateful for your work, truly appreciate it.

@CuriousCyclist 4 месяца назад

Please don't stop making these videos. They are fantastic. I love how well your words flow.

@DouBBy-The-Great 4 месяца назад

I'm glad that your books are kind of explore the same philosophy as him, truly life changing material, and I'm in love with every Robert Greene book

@ginalibrizzi5204 3 месяца назад

Thank you for sharing this, Robert. I discovered Nietzsche when I was 16, and only capable of a mostly superficial understanding. Similarly, I kept coming back to his work over the years (now in my 50’s). I’m wired to experience a full range of emotions, and have had plenty of opportunities to do so. The other writer (not philosopher, per se) who has always fascinated me is Dostoyevsky. I remember first finding his work through a summer reading list in high school, and it resonated with me so deeply. Throughout my life, I’ve often had the feeling that I was missing something; perhaps this is my own reflection of “What if my whole life has been a lie?”.

@benzerb77 4 месяца назад

The influence of Nietzsche shines through in your writing. I'm not surprised to see it confirmed that you've been touched by his attitude and perspective. Nietzsche is my favorite, too. I like to say that I owe him my life. Not that I would have taken my own life had I not read him, but rather that the person I would have allowed myself to remain would have been better off dead. They would have been too dishonest. Nietzsche has a way of inspiring courage, brightness, and forward-leaning enthusiasm. You share this forward lean into life, providing footholds and technical knowledge for those making the climb into its heights. You two make a fine pair of authors ^-^

@loljoker-up4bk 4 месяца назад

What I like about U is that U are realistic and honest about the world while simultaneously has a positive mindset . That's what makes you keep going in the world to live the world to the fullest . But also by being honest , you are able to suck in wisdom like vampire sucking blood . It feels enlightening . God bless U . U have no idea how much U saved my life . I hope your books prosper and touched many soul . They might feel oh this is dark , but when the more they encounter life , the more they know that U are speaking the truth and there is no way to go about it rather than using the methods in your books. My greatest wish for U is that U complete your final book . I will continue to look up to U

@gayathrirajagopal3051 4 месяца назад

Love you Robert ❤❤❤ i have listened to 50th law many times.. thank you so much

@Chris-xy8lu 11 дней назад

One of my favorite authors talks one of my favorite philosophers. Priceless

@OneBlurryLens 4 месяца назад

Something new to add to reading list. Thanks!

@josephclark5414 4 месяца назад

I am so happy you presented this! Absolutely wonderful!!

@marianadams782 4 месяца назад

When I awoke this morning I was in a low state. As soon as I heard your voice my spirit lifted. Thank you 😊. The advantage of frequencies.

@cjwright79 4 месяца назад

a very nice thing to say Marian, and I'm sure even nicer to experience!

@marianadams782 4 месяца назад

@@cjwright79 A rarity a relief and a blessing to feel lifted by another. Thank you for your comment.

@hazikry 4 месяца назад

Discovered Nietzsche during my degree and had the privilege to study his work for a semester. He definitely changed my life.

@kinetikcanvas 16 дней назад

Robert, while you commend his writing style, I must commend yours. Your ability to convey complex ideas and thoughts with such clarity and elegance is truly exceptional. Each book you have written has not only entertained but also enlightened your readers, offering profound insights and captivating narratives. Thank you for your invaluable contributions to the world of literature. Your work continues to inspire and resonate with so many.

@gsomethingsomething2658 4 месяца назад

Okay, reading Nietzsche is now on my (near term) bucket list. Thanks for the tip 👍

@orlandojordan1469 4 месяца назад

Robert Greene talks so calm that make me feel his feelings about Nietzsche

@vigneshmoorthy6047 4 месяца назад

He is always calm and envy his tone of voice. He can be dark & cold inside and still win people with his tone of voice.

@seephisd 15 дней назад

In some of my darkest times his words were the only one that truly put me at ease.

@taitcarrillo8926 4 месяца назад

Nietzsche and Sisyphus are my two inspirations for endurance and acceptance.

@somethingyousaid5059 3 месяца назад

On the other hand, we can tolerate just only so much.

@raginald7mars408 4 месяца назад

... as a German Biologist - 1971 a good friend gave me a little Book to MUST Read! - had no idea what it was about “Also sprach Zarathustra!” The Sound of Nietzsche Highly instantly addictive I then bought the Gesammelte Werke Paperback... - 1979 the Miracle Professor Karl Schlechta was Professor at the University Darmstadt where I studied Biology and Chemsitry I found out his address and he invited me to his House the most amazing conversation of my entire Life he donated me the Hard Cover editions he had edited Gesammelte Werke by Karl Schlechta Schlechta was certain Nietzsche had infected himself several times with Syphilis that destroyed his life ... Haunts me still every day - those Chain reactions up to today...

@christopherellis2663 4 месяца назад

Speculation. He inherited his illness

@raginald7mars408 4 месяца назад

@@christopherellis2663 ... as a German Biologist - I wonder about that all the time. The strange death of his father - may have been based on Syphilis Syphilis connata Nietzsche was sick from a young boy on. His “philosophy” may be an attempt to deal with a corrupt physiology getting into Hyper Mode to compensate which makes Nietzsche then ... dispiccable... Kalr Schlechta never ever wanted to meet the real Nietzsche Wagner called Nietzsche "Dis Gusting" "Dirty".... The Dark concealed Nietzsche...

@WILSONeVi 3 месяца назад

I’m currently reading “Thus Spoke Zarathustra” and it makes me feel more than any book I’ve read so far. Thanks for this amazing video! Looking forward to more :)

@walterdoran1655 4 месяца назад

Great observations as always. The Great Robert Greene always delivers, can't wait for new book

@hidekitojo2277 14 дней назад

Thank you sir for your eloquence in speaking of this great man

@MicaelCorreia 4 месяца назад

Two legends, Amour Fati ❤

@furkankostekli7400 4 месяца назад

What a great summary! Helpfull and artistic

@4SomethingMore444 4 месяца назад

0:41 I discovered you, sir while i was stuck in a labyrinth at the age of 26. Thank you for showing me the way out! Much love ❤

@mimim3475 4 месяца назад

I was thinking of reading his book,then your video popped up! Now i have to read it !

@WiseGuy770 4 месяца назад

Great video Greene I love your books Especially The Art of Seduction very Excellent and Impeccable masterpiece

@RobertGreeneOfficial 4 месяца назад

Thank you for reading! Glad you enjoyed them.

@stylintylin77 4 месяца назад

"To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering." Says a lot more when you learn Nietzsche was ill most days that he was alive. But I also think he meant it in a way of just finding some joy in his life in all the loneliness and boredom

@ronaldlicaj6912 13 дней назад

He is probably the best author, genious, philosopher of all times . I have read all his books and it transforms the way you look at life !

@wolfesound 3 месяца назад

I've always loved Nietzsche since I was a kid, also before I fully grasped what I was reading.

@user-nw4ue6qr8o 4 месяца назад

True, he had a very different, unique and open way of thinking; I could agree some more of what you're saying Mr. Greene.

@danielscanlon7856 4 месяца назад

You are quickly becoming my new favorite teacher of deep understanding and self development. I can’t wait to begin reading your books. I’m wondering if there is an ideal order in which to take on the information and view expressed in your work. Thank you so much for doing what you do!

@danielscanlon7856 4 месяца назад

Obviously my question is off topic. Sorry for that. Just wanted to attempt contact by using your most recent post.

@james.sirois 4 месяца назад

BEST CONVERSATION EVER: Robert Greene & Nietzsche discussing power. Maybe you could write a dialectic? My god I just got an idea- I've begun writing a short film about Nietzsche, maybe it can be an alternative world where he meets Robert to discuss today's era, as he predicted and as Robert interprets it. Glad I came across this 😄

@ziggityzee3230 2 месяца назад

Your my Nietzsche Mr. Greene. Thank you for all that you have given us through your literature.

@nena_gz 4 месяца назад

More of this! 😍 I love it! An unofficial book club of sorts! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

@redguy2489 4 месяца назад

Robert. Im happy for your health progress.

@charlytaylor1748 4 месяца назад

Similar to me, my friend. Read at 16, still pops into my head aged 64.

@brianpark8758 4 месяца назад

Many years ago after reading The Genealogy of Morals, I bought a copy of `Thus Spoke Zarathustra.` I tried to read it, but I couldn`t make head nor tail of it. So, I set it aside for a time & went on to read every book of Nietzsche's, except `The Will to Power.` Then, one late night I went back to `Thus Spoke Zarathustra` & it blew my mind! It was a very strange but profound sensation. Perhaps in some ways akin to a psychotic episode, but in a positive way, if there is such a thing. He understood the importance of language & had an astonishing grasp of it. That`s why I hadn`t then, nor even to this day read The Will to Power, because it was compiled from his notes by his sister ("that vile sow" as he described her in a letter to a friend), Elizabeth Forster. I do intend to read it one day.

@cembasakofficial 4 месяца назад

This is so true and thats the exact reason behind there u understanding this, thats why you are able to be writing these awesome books sir. We love you

@cortneyellyn3233 Месяц назад

Just bought my first nietzsche book! It’ll be here tomorrow. I can’t wait to dive in

@pointblack808 4 месяца назад

It's my favorite too and I discovered him about the same age. I relate to this from the start.

@briandan0521 4 месяца назад

Perspectival: that’s so cool. I think that people should be maneuverable in this world which is echoing what you have stated

@joelmaskell4936 4 месяца назад

So glad you love him too! My favorite by far!

@TheRealLazyBear 4 месяца назад

Thank you so much Robert, i have learnt so much from you.

@mainstreet3023 4 месяца назад

I wish you had spoken longer and more comprehensively because it was captivating to see someone, a grown man, carried away by their enthusiasm for an author.

@martinwarner1178 3 месяца назад

50 years I've read Nietzsche. Various translations, one, by Doctor Muller, I believe his name was, was the best. Does any one know of this fellows work? Nietzsche has always increased my bravery, with a tinge of recklessness. His description of inspiration is so good, I could go on. Peace and goodwill.

@freeman37 3 месяца назад

Awesome philosopher! Thank you, Robert.

@ayanguitar 4 месяца назад

I have a personal inclination towards Immanuel Kant's work due to my love for scientific and transcendental interpretations. However, I agree that Nietzsche experienced and captured the common human emotions better.

@sohom_nandy 4 месяца назад

sir, your book amazes me. I got the chance to read it this month and I just finished.I feel like I have found ahold a handbook of assessing different personality traits in people... Thank you for your work.

@RobertGreeneOfficial 4 месяца назад

Which book did you read?

@sohom_nandy 4 месяца назад

Art of Seduction@@RobertGreeneOfficial

@user-vw2nr6wd9r 4 месяца назад

@@RobertGreeneOfficial The 48 law of power indeed

@jakepokemonman1227 4 месяца назад

Nietzche changed my life totally

@letsplaywithlife3063 3 месяца назад

I love Nietzsche and Robert Greene !

@ogwinshawty9866 4 месяца назад

I can’t wait to read about him in sublime I’m gone stand up and salute soon I touch your new book 🎉

@sergeiseredych8685 4 месяца назад

Thank you, Mr. Green 😊

@SamuelJFord 4 месяца назад

You can tell from your books that Nietzsche profoundly influenced you - your style of writing is brutally honest, emotive, and gets right at the heart of the matter in a few pages.

@angelwhitewolf1116 4 месяца назад

Beautifully said, sir.

@SineEyed 4 месяца назад

Thank you for sharing..

@roopalishinde1514 4 месяца назад

The Buddha - Siddharth Gautam Buddha is the ultimate philosopher for me❤..... Change is the only constant he said....n after all these eras this truth prevails.

@rico-sg 4 месяца назад

Thanks, Robert.

@luismendez3090 4 месяца назад

Robert.... your energy and communication skills is getting better with every video you produce. You look younger....great. thanks for sharing your wisdom. Please coach Biden .... please

@ericweis9771 4 месяца назад

Yes, my favorite philosopher

@randomfails4442 4 месяца назад

great work! Robert, I love the way you view the world. Also, I have a suggestion: can you please improve the video editing style? A lot of people nowadays are attracted to it, so that increases your impact because it grabs their attention.

@SaschaOnBass 4 месяца назад

Nietzsche & Schopenhauer, Kant & Adorno/Horkheimer. Nietzsches Piano Music is insanely beautiful also!

@sumangupta700 2 месяца назад

Sir, could you give more such reflective lectures on other philosophers whom you liked a lot, or you think are highly underrated, and today's youth must go through them once.

@virkspiritual4939 4 месяца назад

Thanks Robert for psychological knowledge ❤,🙏I wish people like you must Live longest and more genius birth rate must be

@mitchywraps6373 2 месяца назад

The way he explained him is great so I started reading neitzche

@katiakay 3 месяца назад

We had to read Nietzsche as part of my Political Science degree - Epistemology of Social Science. Love his works!

@davidgbaigbor784 4 месяца назад

To think that I discovered Robert Greene when I was 15 years old. Now in my 30s his writing fascinate me, I sometimes wish I could eat up all his publications 😂

@MashamaiteThuso 3 месяца назад

My favorite quote of his" inability to contradict is not proof of truth but of incapacity".

@DhrubajyotiSengupta-oh5pg 4 месяца назад

Great Content Sir 👍👍👍👍😊😊😊😊..... Friedrich Nietzsche was really a genius 👍👍👍👍👍... Really 👍👍👍👍👍

@fahadbinnazir5314 3 месяца назад

I wish i had an uncle/big brother like you.

@iwatchyoutube4179 4 месяца назад

Nietzche is a man I truly adore. Even with his weakness dragging him down he choose to seek glory and fulfilment in his battling against cynical nihilism and to affirm his life simply to exist in this world. There are many idea I disagree with him but even that I would always adore a man that trying his best to affirm life for his version of glory. I'm actually having fun reading Thus spoken from Zarathustra because it's the only work I actually understand right now (lol).

@thedeifiedjulius2310 4 месяца назад

The greatest philosopher ever, and it is not particularly close. Never have I been so riveted by a man’s thoughts. No one comes close to his vigor, his greatness of spirit, his inimitable style. He, along with the Julius Caesar, is deserving of apotheosis; though he admonishes us to go our own way, and think for ourselves, so it would be contradictory to worship him; thus we must refrain. 🙏🏼

@megila03 4 месяца назад

Can you please recommend books of his for those new to his work and his philosophies?

@GangsterReviews 4 месяца назад

Exactly why Zarathustra gets angry when people are following exactly in he's footsteps

@donnawolff5956 4 месяца назад

Thank you, do you have recommendation for introductory writing and a preferred translator?

@readerskingdom3970 4 месяца назад

Im so grateful to reach your writings.I understand better, improved my thoughts but i have problems to put these thoughts at work can you suggest me any book to improve my work ethic and dedication to become more practical and action oriented person....❤

@viaceslavkiptilov1203 4 месяца назад

Thank you Mr. Greene. Your wisdom and non-bullshit attitude brings a "light of reason" to this World. Alike to Carl Sagan's - A Demon Haunted World.

@RutagiMund 4 месяца назад

'Amor Fati' is in line with the Stoic principle as well.

@aslinfirmin212 13 дней назад

Yes, I agree with everything you said, Nietzsche is my guy too !

@lilliancostanza367 4 месяца назад

So, it's all true? WOW. You make it sound simple and super complicated. I still think you're amazing.

@michaelvan-vn9ku 3 месяца назад

Same here...due to his reputation after ww2 I was hesitant to start reading N. After picking up Kaufmann's book I was captivated...

@surenderkumarohlayan6900 3 месяца назад

Definitely he tried to explain the situation as it existed and the solution for the future

@martinsapsitis4292 2 месяца назад

I'll check him out, I get this, cheers Roberto.

@roosebeltranjo2713 3 месяца назад

Im halfway on your book 48 laws of power

@user-qz7zx2sd4v 3 месяца назад

So interesting 🧐 thank you ❤

@rickyvoyvodic7898 3 месяца назад

Looking good Robert!

@attri2292 3 месяца назад

Mike Mentzer introduced me to Ayn Rand which led me to find meaning of life and Fight club introduced me to Neitzsche who told me purpose of life is nothing but to suffer pain and relieve pain of others and take it upon yourself, and when everyone does the same, only then collective progress can happen