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My Remarks at the Edward De Vere Winter Ball: A Toast to the True William Shakespeare 

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Sharing my remarks from the Edward de Vere Winter Ball: A Toast to the True William Shakespeare in case anyone cares to hear!
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Good evening! My name is Phoebe Nir, and it’s my great pleasure to welcome you to the Edward De Vere Winter Ball: A toast to the true William Shakespeare! I’m sure to many of you, the idea that “William Shakespeare” could have been a pseudonym is the bailiwick of the tinfoil hat crowd. But if you’ll indulge me for a few minutes, I will attempt to provide a different perspective.
Obviously, pseudonymity in the arts is hardly unusual, and boasts a proud tradition dating back to Homer and the Tao te Ching. Samuel Clemens, a passionate Shakespeare authorship truther who wrote an entire book on the subject, is far better known by his penname Mark Twain.
The strongest evidence Stratfordians have for attributing the works to a man named William Shakespeare is that, quite simply, his name’s on the books. Admittedly, this is a point in their favor.
However, consider the case of Charlotte Carmichael Stopes, a celebrated Stratfordian scholar who made it her life’s mission to debunk Will’s skeptics. She spent eight diligent years searching for evidence connecting Will of Stratford to the Earl of Southampton, to whom Shakespeare’s first publications are dedicated in extravagant, adoring language. After years of ransacking public records, she was able to produce zero evidence connecting the two men, and died feeling her life had been a failure.
On the other hand, the earl of Southampton had been engaged to Edward De Vere’s eldest daughter. And the only other two people to whom Shakespeare dedicates his works, the earls of pembroke and Montgomery, were engaged to Edward de Vere’s other two daughters. Three daughters, engaged to the three dedicatees.
Edward De Vere’s authorship in fact solves many Occam’s razer conundrums that have tied up Stratfordians for centuries. The truth is, the Stratford man has always been an awkward fit for the body of work attributed to him, leading biographers to construct what Mark Twain called “an Eiffel Tower of artificialities”, and what Henry James called “the greatest fraud ever practiced on a patient world”. Why is there not a single contemporary reference to anyone ever meeting a playwright named William Shakespeare? If Will never left England, then how can Shakespeare describe in detail the artwork inside royal palaces in Italy where Edward De Vere stayed? How did a man from an illiterate working-class household learn to speak Greek, Latin, Italian, Hebrew, and French? And why would such an amazing autodidact not have ensured his children could at least write in English?
Let’s discuss Hamlet, perhaps Shakespeare’s greatest masterpiece. Scholars and theater lovers of all stripes have long suspected that the tale of the moody Danish prince has a whiff of the autobiographical. Stratfordians are delighted to point out that the name “Hamlet” is nearly interchangeable with “Hamnet”, the name of Will of Stratford’s son, who died young of the plague. A recent popular novel by Maggie O’Farrell imagines how a heartbroken Will channeled his grief over losing his son “Hamnet” into writing the play “Hamlet”. Very nice.
Now let’s see if Edward De Vere’s biography has any similarities with Hamlet.
Hamlet draws from Beowulf, the only existing copy of which was possessed by Edward De Vere’s tutor Laurence Nowell, who kept it in Cecil House, where De Vere grew up. Hamlet’s book from act two scene two is Cardanus’ Comfort by Giralomo Cardano, which Edward de Vere personally commissioned to be translated into English when he was 23. It’s accepted that Polonius, the interfering father of Hamlet’s love interest Ophelia, is a satire of Edward De Vere’s father in law William Cecil, Queen Elizabeth’s spymaster and one of the most feared men in England. Edward De Vere’s brother in law was an ambassador to Denmark in the castle Elsinore in the 1580s, where he met one official named Rosenkrantz and two named Guildenstern.
Hamlet is reported to have been captured by pirates, stripped naked, and left ashore. In 1576, returning from a tour of his beloved Italy, De Vere was captured by pirates, stripped naked, and left ashore. Polonius alludes to young men “falling out at tennis”, referencing a 1579 scandal in which De Vere and his literary rival Phillip Sidney had nearly come to blows on the Greenwich Palace tennis court, requiring the intervention of Queen Elizabeth....
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@squareleg5757
@squareleg5757 Год назад
Good work, Phoebe. It’s wonderful that a new generation is taking on the mantle and driving this discussion forward.
@phoebe_devere
@phoebe_devere Год назад
Thank you!
@bryan.h.wildenthal
@bryan.h.wildenthal Год назад
Amen!
@ronroffel1462
@ronroffel1462 Год назад
This should be an annual event. I hope that some day soon you will have to move the venue to a huge hall as more people realize that the attribution of the plays and poems to the Stratford man is wrong and that de Vere used " William Shakespeare" (with and without the hyphen) as a pen name. You nailed it when you say that knowing the real author draws us closer to the "beating heart" of the works. Once people know who wrote the plays and poems, they open up like nothing else. Mysteries disappear, allusions become personal, and the sonnets in particular, have a life which they don't have with the Stratford attribution (or any other for that matter). Great work.
@Northcountry1926
@Northcountry1926 Год назад
Wonderful … Delighted to listen your new Presentation 🎉🎉🎉
@johnwarner3968
@johnwarner3968 Год назад
These videos are awesome 👏 and I hope you will continue to do more. I would like your view of the great movie “Anonymous” with a perspective on its faults and its correct ideas. Thank you, Phoebe! 🙏
@phoebe_devere
@phoebe_devere Год назад
appreciate the kind words!
@user-ue6sg1ec8q
@user-ue6sg1ec8q Месяц назад
I am amazed that a year passes and so few have seen and liked your testimony ...still this great mans words and stories sustain us...
@padraigosuilleabhain6511
@padraigosuilleabhain6511 Год назад
Thank you, well done, we look forward to more in the near future
@duncanmckeown1292
@duncanmckeown1292 Год назад
Good stuff! I would just like to add that not even the Hamnet/Hamlet argument stands up to the least scrutiny, since Will Shakspere's son was named in honour of a Stratford neighbour called...Hamnet! Also there are "too early" references (1580s) which refer to the play by name.
@tomditto3972
@tomditto3972 Год назад
Another parallel between de Vere and the play Hamlet is the throwaway scene where Polonius instructs the character Reynaldo who appears in this scene alone. Often cut from productions to condense its 4 hour length, this scene points to an episode in the Cecil family where William Cecil sent spies to watch over his son, Thomas, who was a student in Paris. The resentment felt by Oxford over the prying eyes of his Guardian/Father-in-Law is reflected in this depiction of a father who overbears his paternal authority. Who would have known that Thomas Cecil was spied upon? The Cecil family, of course. Like the satire on the "Precepts" of William Cecil, only made public after the death of Shaxper but certainly known to Edward de Vere who was living in Cecil House at the time, the scene with Reynaldo is further evidence that Hamlet was written by Oxford.
@davidjames5517
@davidjames5517 Год назад
The future is in excellent hands.
@phoebe_devere
@phoebe_devere Год назад
Thank you David!
@Short-Cipher
@Short-Cipher Год назад
Love your framing of the so-called "problem plays" -- that the plays are good, Stratforianism is the problem.. 👌
@mississaugataekwondo8946
@mississaugataekwondo8946 2 месяца назад
This is a clear and defiinitive statement of a subset of facts that could be expanded by many find scholars.
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 Год назад
This is timely since Jeff Meade recently posted on another of your videos this: "The drowning, the suspicion of suicide, the corners inquest, and the fact that HER NAME WAS HAMLETT all make for a startling coincidence, don't you think?" As you correctly pointed out, when it comes to 'startling coincidences', Edward DeVere has massively outpointed Shaxspere even if we only discuss one play; Hamlet. 1. Beowulf (a source for Hamlet) was available to DeVere in the library where he grew up. 2. DeVere's brother-in-law had been an ambassador to Denmark and wrote of knowing a Rosencrantz and a Guildenstern. 3. DeVere's mother hastily remarried after Edward's father died. 4. DeVere was captured by pirates in the English Channel, robbed of his belongings and left naked on the English shore. 5. Polonius is easily recognized as a caricature of William Cecil--both men were verbose, devious, powerful behind the scene. Both Cecil and Polonius gave 'precepts' to their sons, both spied on the sons when they visited Paris. Polonius is stabbed and killed with Hamlet's sword while spying on Hamlet, as Cecil's servant was stabbed and killed by DeVere in mysterious circumstances. 6. Polonius daughter Ophelia lusts after Hamlet. Cecil's daughter Anne marries DeVere. Both young women are commoners, in love with men 'above their star'. 7. DeVere suspected Anne of being unfaithful to him, of conceiving a child be another man. Hamlet tells Ophelia's father that, 'Conception is a blessing, but not as your daughter shall conceive.' 8. Both Hamlet and DeVere were courtiers. 9. Both were aficionados of the theater, DeVere was an acknowledged playwright poet who sponsored acting companies, while Hamlet instructs the players how to 'speak trippingly on the tongue.' 10. DeVere was fluent in Italian, spent a year in Italy, adopted Italian dress when back in England. Hamlet knows when something is 'written in very choice Italian', soliloquizes in Dante-esque phrases. Hamlet knows about Italian women wearing 'chopines'. So far, it's ten to one for DeVere. And I'm just warming up.
@Northcountry1926
@Northcountry1926 Год назад
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@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 Год назад
@@jeffmeade8643"Beowulf is not a source for Hamlet. There is no evidence De Vere could read it, anyway." The appeal to one's own authority. Impressive logic! However, you are clearly wrong in your second sentence. DeVere grew up in a house in which Beowulf was in the library (in fact, the only known copy in existence at that time). Maybe you think Shaxsper got an interlibrary loan and read it in the Stratford grammar school library? That would explain how he could have used Beowulf's 'bio', which contains plot elements in Hamlet such as: 1. One son of the monarch kills the other when an arrow he shot misses its mark and kills his brother. Hamlet, apologizing for killing Polonius, tells Laertes: 'Free me so far in your generous thoughts/ That I have shot my arrow over the house/ And hurt my brother'. 2. The villain (a dragon) steals the people's treasure in Beowulf. In the battle to recover it, Beowulf is bitten by a poisoned fang and dies (but not until he's recovered the ill gotten gains). Hamlet kills the villain Claudius who has stolen the Danish crown, the Queen, and the nation's crown jewels(?). In that fight the hero is killed by being cut by a poisoned sword tip. 3. Beowulf's dying words to his best friend Wiglaf are that he should build a monument over his grave so he will be remembered by the generations to come. Hamlet asks Horatio to tell his story, so 'a wounded name' won't be the only thing of him left behind. 4. Both Beowulf and Hamlet die, leaving no heirs, thus leaving the crowns up for grabs. Foreign powers loom in the future in both works. What do you figure the odds are that those are just coincidences?
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 Год назад
@@jeffmeade8643 "Peregrine Bertie, who wasn't at Elsinore (it was under construction) ..." A miss, a palpable miss! 'Elsinore' never existed, the name of the castle was Kronberg. There were fortresses at the location since early in the 1400s. The castle Shakespeare (whoever he was) knew about was built between 1574 and 1585. Bertie seems to have had two missions to Denmark, 1582 and 1585. "...sent state letters to Cecil. De Vere was persona non grata there after murdering a servant." Your evidence for that statement? Cecil wrote that he worked to prove that DeVere was innocent of murder in the incident when his drunken servant was killed while DeVere was practicing his fencing (say, isn't there something like that in Hamlet?). "Cecil certainly wouldn't let the likes of De Vere go nosing through state papers." Which, as any reasonable person knows, is the only way one could learn something from his brother-in-law? "There's no evidence he had any relationship with his sister or her husband." How about the legal challenge over DeVere's paternity by his sister? Not to mention that a claim as extraordinary as that sister and brother had no relationship to each other would require extraordinary evidence. I.e., you need to show the PROBABILITY of it, not raise the possibility. "Oh, and Shakespeare's fellow actors performed before the Danish court." And what do you think that proves? Specifically.
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 Год назад
@@jeffmeade8643 " It was the golden age of piracy. It's not like pirates were an uncommon concern for a seafaring culture." And Shaxsper was a seagoing kinda guy? That your claim? Again, if so, what is your evidence that he wasn't the landlubber the documentary record says he was? " In any case, Hamlet wasn't captured by pirates. They were his cover story for how he got back from England." The text (Act IV, scene 6) does not support your claim. In it, Horatio reads a letter from Hamlet describing his having been captured by pirates. Nothing at all about that being 'a cover story.' Do you really think you will get away with making this stuff up?
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 Год назад
@@jeffmeade8643 "With Robert Cecil sitting at the head of the Privy Council, Shakespeare not only lampoons his father, but murders him on stage. Right." Finally, you say something accurate. Now, how do you suppose the rube from Stratford on Avon did, in reality, get away with it? " And with two editions of Hamlet hot off the presses, Robert helps De Vere get his welfare check renewed. Right." 1. What is your evidence that Robert Cecil had anything to do with DeVere's thousand Pound annuity not being canceled? 2. Maybe you should ponder why James referred to this in the same sentence in which he called him, 'Great Oxford'. What greatness was in evidence (that word again) for the King, regarding Oxford?
@taihastings3097
@taihastings3097 Месяц назад
Hi Phoebe. I think these videos are brilliant..and just so concise! By the way.. I've noticed how very few people, if any, have ever mentioned how close Hackney is to Stratford. They are literally a stone's throw from each other...!! 😂 Stratford, Hackney, Isle of Dogs, Thames (Avon)...!
@phoebe_devere
@phoebe_devere Месяц назад
Thanks so much for the kind words! That’s an interesting point abt the geography!
@taihastings3097
@taihastings3097 Месяц назад
Thanks so much! ​@@phoebe_devere
@sludge1298
@sludge1298 2 месяца назад
Phoebe, have you ever listened to Blue Oyster Cult's album Imaginos? The mix from the 80s, not the newer version. Tons of references to Shakespeare. My favorite lyric: "Dance a Don Pedro, do the Don Pedro..." The insert to the vinyl is worth a read and Stephen King provided some nice spoken word lyrics for the Astronomy video. The album is full of odd history, too. About how Dr. John Dee obtained his black obsidian scrying mirror. Interesting concept for an album. The peppered Shakespeare references are the icing on the cake for me. =]
@langleychris8667
@langleychris8667 5 месяцев назад
Excellent.
@EndoftheTownProductions
@EndoftheTownProductions 5 месяцев назад
Shakespeare refers to the Gunpowder Plot in Macbeth. He mentions "equivocation" and "equivocator" and this refers to the Catholic Priest Henry Garnet who was associated with the plot. There are also other allusions to the plot in the play. The date of the Gunpowder Plot was November 5, 1605. Therefore, the play Macbeth must have been completed after this date and most likely finished in mid to late 1606. Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, died on June 24, 1604, which obviously makes it impossible for him to have written the play Macbeth which has been attributed to Shakespeare and later published in the 1623 First Folio. It is difficult to write a play after you have died and there is obviously no way for Edward to have known of the Gunpowder Plot and the trial of Henry Garnet before his death. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-T0C2X1Tj9ZI.html&ab_channel=EndoftheTownProductions
@rickmarquis3008
@rickmarquis3008 Год назад
Wiliam cecil was not the spymaster, but walsingham.
@joecurran2811
@joecurran2811 5 месяцев назад
They both were, in a sense
@joecurran2811
@joecurran2811 5 месяцев назад
In a sense you could say they both were
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 Год назад
Wrong again. I gave you several. Including finding a shipwreck laden with gold from 1857, several lost submarines and others. As I said, learn to count. I've already given you one that is exactly apposite to identifying a writer of documents centuries after they were written. We can add poor sport to all your character deficiencies now. What are you afraid of, guy? Most people with any intellectual curiosity enjoy learning, but with you it's like I showed a cross to a vampire.
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 Год назад
@@jeffmeade8643 What, you got lost again? Some sleuth you were, I'll bet. To repeat, you claimed I couldn't even find even one example of solving a historical puzzle using Bayesian methods. When I produced several, and one that was literary, you moved the goal posts. Denied science. Threw yet another tantrum. Your understanding of Bayesian reasoning is beyond ignorant. The chance of there being no documentary evidence surviving for Shaxsper's writing career, as there is such for 24 of his contemporaries, is one thousandth of one percent. Stick that in your radar detector, officer. The only option open to you guys at Oxfraud is to produce your own statistically respectable calculation. Crying over the fact that someone else's isn't to your impeccable scholarly standards is childish. It doesn't even rise to being wrong. Use any statistical approach you like, it doesn't have to be Bayesian. Show off how smart you are. Demonstrate it. What are you afraid of?
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 Год назад
@@jeffmeade8643 "I did phrase it poorly" isn't synonymous with "I made a flatly erroneous statement.", guy. "Can you show a use of Bayesian analysis which bears any resemblance to what Sturrock did or can't you?" Of course I can, and you could have too, if you had simply read Sturrock's paper. He told you he was using LaPlace's 'rule of succession.' (Bayes rule really ought to be named after Pierre Simon LaPlace, the French mathematician who developed Bayes idea). It's the famous statistical example of proving the sun will rise tomorrow. Here's a pretty good example of it from a Harvard classroom (Statistics 110): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N8O6zd6vTZ8.html You are in way over your head.
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 Год назад
@@jeffmeade8643 No, he just told you the rule of statistical logic he was using. Which, apparently, you were too lazy to look up and find, for example: "The Rule of Succession gives a simple formula for “enumerative induction”: reasoning from observed instances to unobserved ones. If you’ve observed 8 ravens and they’ve all been black, how certain should you be the next raven you see will also be black? According to the Rule of Succession, 90%. "In general, the probability is (k+1)/(n+2) that the next observation will be positive, given k positive observations out of n total." Is that simple enough for you to understand? You ought to consider whether your demonstrations of intellectual feebleness are doing you any good as a debater.
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 Год назад
@@jeffmeade8643 "He didn't test his result with a different set of data. " Yeah, that's what I've been challenging you do do. You keep ducking that challenge. So, once again, put your statistical calculation where your mouth is, and show me how much smarter you are than Sturrock.
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 Год назад
@@jeffmeade8643 "You've been challenging me to use a completely bogus method that you can't even explain, let alone replicate." I have most certainly explained it to you, and even provided you with videos so you could look at pictures. Not my fault that such go over your head. Here's another 'replication' for you to whine about: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kULEJEUxB44.html&lc=UgxqNmRU7OELNdmsESp4AaABAg.9m38FZH6eIl9mCaKT4wauC Now, let's get back to your answer to my challenge. Yes, I would prefer you not put deliberate lies into your spreadsheet, so I would not have to expose them as that. Please only use items documented as factual. But, I'm reallllllllllly interested to see your idea of a legitimate statistical study.
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