Wtf has been going on! This is the crazy part. All these Cry about men feeling videos. I thought they beat their chest Swallow a can of beer, pick up a Stripper and Their all good! What happened??
Too right. My wife asked about my military service, and I was stupid enough to tell her. I scared her. I haven't been through much of anything in my military career, no combat, nothing of note.
Please don't be so dishonest. Men are the ones that sabotage ans actively subvert and resist mental health and mental health movements for men. There's literally an entire counter movement that's literally preaching men to be even more stoic and even more masculine and it's POPULAR. Please don't be so dishonest.
@@SirTimidFlash Ahh, well, _now_ it makes sense. Anything to drag the spotlight off men's problems. For example, International Men's Day (November 19th for the curious) is the same as World Toilet Day. Seems inadvertently appropriate to me, considering they both take sh!t from a$$holes all day long and are only ever noticed when they stop working. 😁
in many jobs that men have, if you give a hint that you are feeling the need for therapy for stress or whatever, you are watched; if you admit to needing therapy, you may be put on paid or unpaid leave pending an investigation where the ultimate goal is to terminate the employment. This is especially true for jobs such as commercial pilots.
She also had the audacity to say "do something about it" I've yet to see any feminist DO anything except scream and cry on the internet or in the street while waiting for a man to DO something about it FOR her.
Keep waiting then. Almost all fields are male dominated. If you want male mental health to be taken more seriously reach out to your male counterparts and make it happen. Y'all hold yourselves back and then blame women when you're at the top of the social food chain. Quit acting like a pussy
@@shelbyb9965 Women have so much support available in the west that its not even funny anymore. Men... Not so much. If you dont believe me, google what happened to the dude who founded a mens shelter like a decade ago or so, feminists are fucking vicious.
There was a church here that ran a thing to help men support each other. Women took to showing up to the gatherings, filming the men going in, and saying things like, "If this was my man, I'd leave him." And "They ought to be ashamed of themselves." And "Men can have their support group when they solve male privilege."
My kid’s therapist encouraged me to find a group for parents of kids struggling with trauma issues (her mom died). I show up, and am the only man there. I played it cool, and was only hoping there might be another male there, but no. The ladies got together, talked it over, and told me to leave. They weren’t comfortable talking about their daughter’s in front of me. I explained that I too have a daughter who is struggling. They told me to find a men’s group. I said, “but this isn’t a woman’s group.” I left as I wasn’t welcome. BTW, there are no men’s groups in our community that don’t involve licensed therapists and security, as these men are also on parole. So yeah, when we look for help, our options are limited. Do it right now. Search for local groups supporting mental health, and tell me if there are any men’s groups. I live in an area of 10 million.
"they got together and talked it over" - so none of them actually had the decency to tell you her personal reasons for why you shouldn't be there as you were trying to do something to help your daughter. How compassionate. As a woman I'm ashamed of this heartless behaviour towards men. You seem like a good father to your daughter. I hope you guys get through this difficult situation as well as can reasonably be expected in the circumstances.
Why did you leave? You should have stood up for your daughter. If I was in your shoes, there's nothing those women could have done to remove me. Guilting me to leave would have made me stand stronger for my daughter. Would they have willingly left if told they couldn't participate in a support group for boys? Women always force their way into groups where women are not present. This is why there are no spaces for men left in the US.
@@tad4364 We both know damn well it’s not the norm. That’d be like me implying that girls are okay with rape just because a lot of them joke about it online.
@@EXP_Jenovaactually it is quite the norm you talk about trying to get help guarantee you 8 out of 10 men will clown your ass and 9 out of 10 women will definitely drag you over it
@@demnbrown Men have the highest suicide rate by a massive margin. The amount of men making fun of help resources are literally a minority. Statistically speaking.
There is a domestic violence shelter in my town that was called a Woman's Shelter for a long time. It was forced to change its name to Domestic Violence Shelter after they were informed they legally couldn't discriminate against men. The forced change came about because a man came to the shelter seeking help, they turned him away so he found a friend to crash on their sofa for a while. The woman he was trying to get away from found out his location, broke in one night and stabbed both him AND the friend he was staying with to death. That shelter was still called a Domestic Violence Shelter, and still claimed to take in men and women until last year when it was discovered they STILL refused to take in men because "the male victims were a danger to the female victims" and "if we allow men in, women won't come" so they found excuses to not accept men. The shelter was forced to close and sell off it's property, so now nobody gets to benefit - and an article written by a woman after the closure placed the entire blame on those male victims of abuse. Even when men TRY to get help for issues, of many kinds, we just get accused of taking focus and rights and benefits away form women and our issues are still not taken seriously.
@osmangarrett560 i cant speak on this subject specifically. But i do remember 3 separate instances of feminists gettings mens shelters shut down for "discrimination". So it wouldnt be the first time something like that happened.
Feminist groups have also done extensive work to shutdown any event/social gathering/psa/etc. centered around men's mental health and awareness. We DO try to speak up, express our needs, and seek help... but we're lucky if we see any progress because of the uphill battle we as a group are forced to fight. Not to mention that any progress made constantly circles back to "but what about women?" instead of appreciating that multiple groups can have separate problems.
Men used to have places where they could meet and talk and be in the company of men. But the feminist movement has shut down all the mens clubs, because it was unfair that they were excluded. Hell even the Boy Scouts isn't about boys anymore
The reason why. If we talk about men's mental health in the suicide rate it would have to come down to men being assaulted and screwed with. I mean Young Mills growing up confused told that they're bad and masculinity is toxic and all that. That's the reason why they attack men's mental health. Because it would have to come down to that men are being targeted.
I love the way she talks about a men's movement without the "toxic masculinity" without the "Being a man" part. Roast culture? Guys don't roast serious effort. We laughed at femini$ts telling us what's wrong with us. Thier pathetic put downs & condescension are the only roasting I've seen. Hardly surprising really, the Fem!nist movement has a dedication in thier Charter, "We will use our sisters to destroy family & men through P0rn, Pr0stitution, Divor¢e & Promis¢unity" 4 very clear attack vectors. Which explains OF, honourable"Sex workers", hookup culture & sexual freedom. Worse a Divor¢e €ourt system that destroys both men & the family. The Family €ourt system that encourages single motherhood & simultaneously Rogers men. Feminism courses in Colleges designed to make women unmarriable and impossible to live with. Why destroy the Traditional Family? Both the Feminin!sts & Thier friends the Mar×ists, hate the family as an impediment to social changes&as a tool for female oppression. Our current Social issues aren't an accident. It has been a long carefully driven plan since the 70's. The spin offs from the Fem!nist movement such as the Green movement, the Gay movement, the Trans movement, Veganism, Climate change, BLM. All are part of the plan. Men got played. ☹️🇦🇺
@@JimStewart-i5c There's video of it on RU-vid. Its horrible, just masses of screaming "feminist" protesters yelling things at the men trying to attend and blocking them from entry. Police and university staff didn't help the attendees either.
@@nintendoswitchbrit4201 I might be thinking about the man who tried opening a battered men's shelter. They ruined him financially, socially, and finally they hounded him until he took his own life.
We’re not waiting for someone to say something. We’re waiting for someone to give a shit. We’re men. No one cares. There’s no one out there who’s willing to sit down and just listen to your problems. They either say no, or get bored within the first minute of talking. We don’t do anything, not because we’re waiting for someone else to do it, but because we know that no matter how hard we try, no one’s gonna care, so what’s the point? That’s why the phrase “I’m alright,” or “I’m okay,” exists because we know we’ll just be a waste of time. It’s just easier to be quiet sometimes.
I called my mom this one time just to talk, and it wasn't even about anything crazy. Just things were rough and I just wanted to talk to someone that I thought cared about me. Her response was "um...okay. Not sure why you called 'me.' So... I'm going to let you go. Good luck with that." Direct quote. When a guy can't even talk to his own mom, you know no one gives a crap about you
I'm sorry that happened. I wish she had been better, and I hope she apologizes to you. I hope you have a nice day or soon to have a nice day or night. Whichever one. You aren't alone 💛 We hear you
Sounds a lot like my mom. I'm basically a therapist to my gf, however if something bothers me she is the only person who doesn't weaponize what I say. I'll admit I'm used to keeping everything in and it's hard for me to open up bc every other woman I've dated has weaponized my feelings b4
At least your mother listened to you... like im sorry that happened bro but also i feel how you do. My mom never acknowledged that i was suffering with su*sidal thoughts (gruesome ones i might add...) and major depression because school was a living hell.. i got bullied every day because i was different and overweight... ive tried offing myself 5 times now and i am no better today than i was back then.. the only thing thats changed is that i hide it better. The only person i can truly be myself around is my dad and he may only have a few years left to live if he isnt careful.. it hurts hiding these feelings from him but he has enough on his own plate so i dont talk to him about it.. there are many things i could go into about what happened back in school but i dont want to as its too painful to bring up.. But.. if you ever need someone to listen to your struggles.. im here my guy. Just remember that..
I mean that's a terrible way to start a movement if people were just gonna allow you to start a movement you wouldn't need a movement in the first place
get therapy stop trying to play victim women dont wanna hear it cause we dont know u dont care and our issues are way worse and yall the same guys that harass us and undermine our issues we havent been taken seriously throughout all of history and today shockingly so its a no brainer we dont wanna hear the men complain about the problems that men created yall can talk to people yk about it instead of crying on the internet everyday its really not that serious for yall so just get ur shit together and educate urself about real world issues cause these trivial shit yall be complaining about is like a broken record saying the same lame shit thats just problems yall create then blame women for we dont wanna hear it instead yall should be spreading awareness like the sound of freedom but yall only wanna feel sorry for urselves instead of looking at whats outside stop sulking about ur sad life and worry about the real shit cause the real shit is gonna hit u like a brick and ur gonna feel stupid doing what u been doing spending all ur time sulking
She really isn't. Men hurt each other more than anything. Men on men violence is the most common form of violence out there. The point is that a lot of men talk about their mental health yet actively put the people who are seeking help down. Many reported cases of men shaming other men for therapy and whatnot. School instances of kids being bullied for expression of their emotions by other men. The issue men have thigh with women is because they are single and have bad "romantic" experiences with them for them opening up. A woman rejecting you, in my humble opinion, is not going to make mens mental health worse, but another man shaming you is. Men weaponize these things more
7 years in the British army, 2 tours of Afghanistan. When I sought out help from said groups, they didn't help me. Yet, every week, they seek donations. For 2 years, I was in a spiral between being homeless and abusing alcohol. I dug myself out of the hole, and along the way, I'm ashamed to admit I tried multiple attempts on my own life, which landed me in psychiatric units. The expression "I'm fine" is saying we are just that because reality is the majority do not give a toss about us. We take it on the chin and keep going. I know you are on your knees, brother, and you want to give up, but there is still fight in you. I genuinely believe this. So get the fuck up and keep fighting. Do not give in to those thoughts or feelings. You are stronger than you realize, and people do care about you.
I'm about a month late but congrats on digging yourself out of that hole brother! I'm not a Vet but I had my son @ 16 years old. Despite trying my best I fell into the rabbit hole alot of young men especially young fathers do where your primal instinct of protect and provide is unacknowledged and often vilified. I felt like the most unappreciated person on the planet but kept trucking through it. I couldn't mention it without it being "wrong" or taken in a completely different context. I abused opioids from about 17-20 years old, but several years after being clean I finally went off the rails and started drinking. I don't know how I didn't die, I drank so much. I was incarcerated multiple times, I was becoming violent and unhinged and in the middle of it I tried to get help and the female doctor wouldn't even help me unless I went into an in patient rehab because I was on Suboxone still. It continued and I dug myself deeper into the pit. I was basically so done I was going to drink myself to death, and at one point in a regional jail I remember blowing a 5.0 Despite not drinking in almost 24 hours. I finally got myself right and started to dig myself out, and took the time to really evaluate who I was. It's been a struggle since, COVID really set me back financially after just getting on my own two feet. But having climb out of that pit, I won't allow myself to fall down again. Getting my ADHD diagnosed helped tremendously and I learned so much about myself. I've got mad love for anyone who can beat the hold drink gets on you. I've done a lot of substances due to my impulsiveness but nothing ever fucked up my life like booze. Stay strong my man, the only people who criticize now clearly aren't worth proving anything to because the ones who pay attention see the changes. Keep rocking brother!
This is sad just because we are in general physicaly stronger doesn't mean men have no problems sometimes i think we are still living in middle ages but a modern version of it 🤔
@@Archiver_Studio very correct what you are saying and the worst part of it is that women find this attractive (there are many exeptions but still many)
@@didierbaudot They don't find it attractive, well not all of them, they find it hilarious and weaponise it Many types of toxic women have this trait It is a miracle that this is only a certain section of women that act this way
I love how people say go do this, stand up etc but they are the same people that silence us. It's not toxic to try and be strong we just want someone to listen.
I don't think you understand what toxic masculinity means, it is a group of parts of masculinity that are toxic. Like claiming that "men don't need a mental health day, just man up!" That's the toxic part
The oddest thing about that woman’s video, and I’ve seen others like it, is that they laugh about men’s mental health day then criticize men for not building a mental health movement. But having a men’s mental health day is literally part of building that. Then again, then she goes on to list her beefs with men. I think what some of these women have is a problem with Men’s Mental Health day is that it does not center on women.
"I think what some of these women have is a problem with Men’s Mental Health day is that it does not center on women." That's exactly right. It's like the Million Man March in the 90s, in which men came together to talk about how to be better men. Women were upset that they weren't in charge of deciding how men should be better men. The woman in this video even demonstrated that "men's health" should be in accordance of what she thought masculinity ought to be.
@@rdkirk3834 I seen a youtube person say most men are NPCs and say men that then talk back to that online are not "real men" is clear as day they want slaves
Don’t forget the few times we actually do try and focus on mental health we get ridiculed and hated by individuals because “It’s not that big of a deal. Just toughen up”
Best response was: "There are people, who have it worse." Great. Now i feel better, by knowing others suffer.... Man, i tell you. Can't wait to see how it all ends
Apparently from another comment in Canada a man who's friend committed suicide and went to a men's mental health group was yelled at by feminist "you are scum". Another dude was told to leave a group for parents whose child lost a parent because he was a man and they didn't feel comfortable sharing about their daughters with him and to "find a group for men" (this group wasn't labeled a womens only group btw) only problem that there isn't one except the ones that have therapists and guards because they're for felons on parole
I posted about how broken my oldest son was after we came back from Ukraine. And how seeing him struggle with it was what fucked me up about it. I was a Ranger for 16 years before I remarried a Canadian girl and moved to serve 6 years with 3RCR. He wanted to go prove what a man he was to himself. So I got my old battle buddies who wanted to go together to keep him alive and we went off. Police kicked in my door, cuffed me, stuffed me in the back of a cruiser. Because a grown woman I went to school with was afraid I was a danger to the community. Didn't charge me with nothing just detained me for 72 hours. Police Depts. legal team has spent the past 6 month trying to bury our lawsuit under meaningless paper work which if we don't fill out the court will just toss the whole case: Where were you on feb 30th 2007." Giving you mom a ride on the baloney pony, what about your question is relevant to the case.
@@BeamBooms yes that is correct. I commented on what I heard in the video. Honestly as a guy I didn't even know they had a day let alone a month. Just figured in today's hate mongering of males that they decided to give us one day.
women: "I feel terrible! I have so much depression! It's so hard to be a woman! " Men: "Let us help these women feel better." Men: "I feel depression and like nobody is listening to me." Women: "Shut up and admit you are the problem!"
@@Divinelydestiny thanks for the sympathy. I have indeed run into several kind, empathetic women, like the one I've been married to for the last seven years! Unfortunately, before that, I experienced sexual abuse by girls as a teenager, and suffer actual ptsd and depression because of it, (and not the fun kind of depression). I cannot get therapy on the NHS in Britain because my abuse was not by a family member. the one website for male abuse survivors, which I've been a member of for fifteen years, recently banned me for so called: "misogyny!" Even though I was just generally venting about the triggering levels of misandry. I don't say any of this as a plea for sympathy; though it's appreciated, or because it's cool, just to point out that yes, there bloody well is! a bias here, and it dam well isn't because of any "patriarchy!" I am well aware it's not "all women", though unfortunately, since women are in control of the cultural narrative, and men literally have no voice for expressing male concerns, it's actually up to those sane women to point this out. Thanks again.
@@Divinelydestiny we don't need compassion or empathy, the opportunity to be useful, competent and strong might help though. Not being disregarded and taken for granted really helps, or told that it is toxic to be a man.
Earl Silvermann, look up this guy. He was a domestic abuse survivor in Canada and founded Men's Alternative Safe House. The first privately owned shelter of its kind in Canada. What happened to him? Well, after years of ridicule and going bankrupt (thus being forced to sell the shelter he dedicated his life to), he ended his life in 2013. In his will, he wanted any money from his estate to an Educational Scholarship for male victims of abuse perpetrated by female abusers. This was done through Mount Royal University Foundation.
Completely, the solution to men's mental health is to turn them into women and see all their problems like a third wave feminist. Neuter the men and their problems will go away. Doesn't work that way. Not that she's unique, it's hard to understand something so outside your experience. But when you are so sure that just accepting "men" can never be a man and are the source of all evil when they are less female in their mental patterns.
@saltrush3448 they aren't. Men have been listening to women saying we need to be more open about our feelings, and it gets used against us every time. Men aren't the ones stopping men from expressing themselves.
I was once asked by my lovely lady why I didn't talk about my problems. I explained talking about my issues has never helped and in many cases just gave ammunition to people who didn't want the best for me. She figured out pretty quickly and before even I knew how to help myself that when I am having a bad time, all she needs to do is acknowledge I'm trying and take some of the daily burden from my shoulders. Truly blessed to have someone like this in my life and I don't know how people survive without that kind of support. If you're struggling out here feeling alone, find someone in your life who acknowledges your battle and keep on fighting warriors. You've got this.
I was a from a rocky upbringing and just got to work to build my life. First few GF's I had were so into the Oprah approach of talk, talk, talk rather than recognize I needed a certain amount of a solid platform to stand on, when most of them had solid upbringings and enjoyed a bit of chaos as freedom when they always had parents to back fall on.
We look inward or we find something physical to vent. Im naturally stoic but i am also sensitive and a musician and this is the way for me. Writing and music, reading also helps lads. I got your back, i am uncommon because i know everything else is
She's right. If only there was a designated day to help spread awareness of men's mental health issues. A day where men would not be chastised for struggling to ask for help in a culture that expects them to respect the vulnerabilities everything and everyone but themselves. If only...
The only real support I've gotten in my life is from my bros. Not a SINGLE woman friend wants to be supportive when anyone in my groups needed it. I'll tell you what, nothing felt better than my bro turning to me at a restaurant and saying (paraphrased) "we need to talk about you. You've been stressed and its really starting to show, please talk to us about it" I fucking cried, and still tear up, because damn I've never even had a girlfriend care that much... fuck man
Been through similar, it wasn't, and still isn't easy. I was drinking heavily to numb myself to it. Been sober for almost 8 months now, and a lot of it was because I reconnected with a bunch of the guys I used to hang out with. They get me. When I'm stressed, I can vent freely, on my own terms. Otherwise we just do dumb guy shit and have a good time when we hang.
@timtheconjurer I'm happy you've found an outlet every needs one no matter what other douchebags might say, you matter and the world is a better place with you in it
Men's mental health suffers for the exact reasons that people label masculinity as toxic, don't understand roasting is a bonding mechanism and that we just want to be allowed to be men.
@@wt7553many feminists label what they don’t like about men as toxic despite many of those things not being toxic. It became a blanket term like many of the people who yes racism, woke, and sexism now.
I had an ex that said "men's self deletion rate is because they refuse to talk about their problems" I dared her to make a male social media account and try and post something about it. Watch how many women tear you down for absolutely no reason
never in my entire life have I seen a man put down another man because of his mental health. If anything, I’ve seen brothers come together to support each other, while all of my life, I’ve seen women put down men because they open up about their mental health. you know the way to break a relationship, and have a man lose trust in you when you have that man open up to you and then one day you use what he opened up to you about against him that’s how you lose trust and the only response that you’ll get any time you ask him what’s wrong is “I'm fine”
I love how women complain how bad they have it. Untill they get a taste of what it's like to be a man they will realize how much better they have it as a woman.
@@ryanmigliori660reminds me of that lesbian some years back that pretended to be a man, to see if men had it easier like is what is pushed, and ended up killing herself because of how she was treated while she pretended to be a man.
@@Jashuatadglock95 there are toxic ways of expressing masculinity (see scumbags like Andrew Tate) but yeah, masculinity is not inherently toxic. The same can also be said of femininity too though.
It’s not the fact that we can’t have the ladies stay home with the babies cuz the moneys just not there even at like $70K+, it’s not because of life stress, it’s not because of any other number of factors aside from toxic masculinity(also hate that my iPhone recommended the next word after toxic to be masculinity)
Classic example of a woman thinking that men are suffering in the same way she does, and then assuming that the suffering of men is solved in the safe way it is for women.
@@AlexCuzacatcalling is mainly old gross men catcalling literal teenagers. So. No... women aren't going to do that. And if they do, it will be gross old women you have no interest in.
@bastiat4855 umm no I wouldn’t. It’s called sharing all of you are together. He should give all of him and she should give all of her to their significant other
@@peach1503a man can never open up fully to a woman. A majority of women will weaponize feelings and issues. Some go to their friends to have a laugh. Others just ridicule the man and use it against him when it can benefit her. This is how modern women operate. This is what we men always must be aware of.
@@MudaMudaYaMutha fact. Few men talk about being able to share everything with a woman without it having negative repercussions. Most men having tried, can tell stories about negative repercussions.
I ended up having to use my male nature to look for ways to help me cope. I went and found a counsellor, after years of coping, some successful, some unsuccessful. What i found helpful was writing and research on certain topics that were ailments. Easy to fix with knowledge at hand, but monumental to overcome without the understanding. Now out of my 20s, with that being a rough decade, full of mental health issues. I can finally say i am mentally in a much better place, but i only just got here. This past winter was the first winter ive gotten through without the entire world feeling like it is crumbling around me. I still had help and support, and still things werent always going right or i was putting myself in bad situations. I just have a stronger mindset and take a step back and focus on my situation and how to improve it, instead of wallowing in my emotions. I didnt know how to do that previously, i only just figured that part out. Granted, i also have nothing to do with women, in the workplace, at home, and mostly stay away from those interactions online. I only had to go on a journey, 8 years, to be mentally healthier. I just had to cut out every person in my life and be the only person in my life. I can tell you that is a very radical decision, and that i dont usually recommend, but i gave myself to everyone and no one returned anything back. I am just an expendable to everyone else. I am not expendable to myself, although i used to think that. Funny how i had to adapt the mindset that at the end of the day, all i have is myself.
@dhans9662 and then the movement gets told its wrong because the issues the men say they're having aren't the ones that we should be focusing on because we should be focusing on our issues that affect women, not the issues that affect us
I just love how she is trying to say we men should be taking a stance against toxic masculinity. That is NOT a men's mental health issue. Our issues are more geared around women thinking we are now meant to be less than them, PTSD (especially for us Veterans) being shut down by almost every woman we are interested in and want to date (especially for a relationship) and being degraded because they want us to lead but don't want to be told what to do.
Every time men try to talk about their issues women attack them mercilessly Edit: half the replies to this are women attacking me. So thanks for proving my point ladies
Yep. Pretty sure it's from guys opening up to a woman in a vulnerable state and her either destroying his trust there immediately or bringing it up later to score points in an argument.
@@saureco ya made that mistake a day ago. I was being dumb and opened up about my personal feelings and how empty I feel most the time and she turned around and basically said that that when my mental health turns for the worse she won’t be there for me unless I become suicidal. Damn that shit hurt man. I knew I fucked up the moment I opened my mouth
We have made SEVERAL attempts. None of them have gone well because people shut them down saying "men dont need it because they built this system and have the power to change it." THIS video is the perfect example of what I am talking about. She blames men for their own problems by calling them toxic and saying that the best way to fix their mental health is to fundamentally change who they are to fit someone elses arbitrary ideal. Lady, we arent the ones being toxic here, you just lack the empathy and mental faculties to notice the greener grass you see on this side is spray paint we use because you told us our grass was nothing but weeds. I kind of ranted here, but my point still stands. The first step to HELPING a mental health movement is to NOT BLAME THEM FOR THE PROBLEM. it is akin to telling someone with depression that their problem is they dont think happy thoughts. It doesnt fix anything and instead makes everything worse.
You really think it was women all this time forcing men to hide their emotions? I am GenX and I can tell you it was the babyboomer males in my life that ridculed weakness in me. The insults were almost always either sissy, crybaby, female genitals, etc. Men ridiculed other men for weakness. Today things are a less bad, but 20 years ago I didn't dare open up to another man.
first of all a good roast session between the bois is how you know your still good, if you dont feel comfortable talking mad shit to your homie shit aint it
I broke down like a little B*** during my divorce begging her not to leave. I would pour my hear out to her and try my best but after seeing it meant nothing to her it changed me. Her face was a constant blank expression of "really? Like I give a f**". I refuse to make myself vulnerable like that to anyone else ever again
Just get in shape, stack cash and enjoy hobbies. It's all that is left now. Don't take women seriously. Never, ever get trapped caring about their feelings. If you absolutely need pump squat, then prolly best to just pay for it. Otherwise you will get trapped again. Still Rosy Palms can quickly fix any problems, so that is basically the solution.
How long has it been since your divorce Scotty? I hope in time, you'll rethink those kinds of self imprisoning vows. Healing is rough, and I do hear you. I had a similar experience when my now ex was cheating. I'm not big crier, even for a woman. So was trying to cry quietly downstairs when he went to bed, after a reveal blowout. The damn broke and I ended up howling like wounded animal, like I never have before or since. Woke him up and he never said a word, no love you's or comfort, but he did hold me until I stopped eventually. He was right back to chasing her the next day. I know that closed off look. Got lied to tons, so kicked him out. What I vowed was that He and he alone would never see that from me again. It's only the one that hurt you that bad that doesn't deserve another chance. I'm still terrified, so I understand how you feel. I hope someday that you can slowly try and trust someone again, and find a way to do it differently. How do we know in the beginning? I don't know yet either. I do see other tender hearted men that will understand what I've been through too, and might actually have the integrity and resolve to go the distance. Absolute best wishes Scotty. Those who have truly hurt, really understand others who do too, and it's not just other men.
It certainly can be, mainly if used in a more strictly conservative way where men have to be aggressive, uncaring, unemotional, you can't cry, you gotta be tough, compassion/empathy isn't allowed, restricted in how you can express yourself because any other way is considered unmanly, etc...
Stoicism is where it's at. Certainly going out and puffing up your chest to attract whores and put down other men is toxic. But those 'alphas' usually suffer for their pointless toil. Naw the solution is independence from women and alpha men. Be a sigma. Detach and enjoy...
I'm just going to agree that masculinity isn't toxic. The term toxic masculinity is used to undermine actual male masculinity. Unless men are acting in more feminine ways, they are considered toxic now.
Masculinity is not a toxic trait, it’s honorable & absolutely needed in this world. I want every man to know not to fall for this bs ♡︎ Actual toxic traits of people Things Like •trauma •easily angered •detachment •depression and other mental health issues are just that.. “Mental health issues”!! and not just subjective to man. everyone has the right to heal especially men! We need to appreciate our men more for their strength and everything that they contribute.
Masculinity in general is not a toxic trait, but there are certain aspects of masculinity that can be. It is a definitively masculine trait to bottle up your emotions deep in your soul. That's toxic. Not saying I disagree with your message, there are also extremely positive things that masculinity covers, like the deep desire to protect. There's two sides to every coin. -a man
@@just5609 she said “toxic masculinity” watch it’s also push in our culture with the feminism movement towards men that I don’t agree with. The only thing toxic is shaming masculinity.
Gotta love how her choice of "men's mental health movements" are the movements that tell men how horrible they are and teach them to hate themselves. So healthy.
@@Anthony90026not sure if you still interest but if you look up feminist attacks Toronto uni men’s mental health seminar, you can probably find some videos
There are a lot of people who say they want "equality" But the moment that we try to address issues that men have, like mental health, it's pushed down to the ground while every other group is prioritized. It sucks. I tried to address men who go through SA once, because I went through that, and the person I was talking to literally said that "men being abused don't matter as much as women"
@Stefano.Rocca00 uh, the idea that we are waiting for a movement is pretty wrong and stupid. Your just hating cause that's all your capable of. What's she doing to make anything better? Bringing down others. It's not a 0 sum game. Your happiness doesn't require me to be in misery. And if it does, well don't cry when that gets flipped back on you. Which I personally hate. Vengeance isn't justice, but then suffering seems to be the only way we build empathy unfortunately.
@@Celestial_Reach no she literally just said that for mental health to be effective us men just need to stop with being toxic to one another and don't push eachother down. You are putting words in my mouth I've never said, or jumping to conclusions that have nothing to do with what was said. If you listen to the original video, it just sums up to the fact that us men need to create for ourselves a better environment and to encourage us selves to go to therapy and be aware of mental health problems and simply not waiting idly by while judging other people for their mental conditions or feelings
What we're waiting for is to not be mocked by EVERYONE when we come out and ask for help. We aren't just mocked by men, we're mocked by women as well. Also I don't think I've actually ever seen a man mock another man for needing actual mental health help
Yeah, an ACTUAL good man with good values….like..we may joke around with each other and take the piss out of each other and roast each other and stuff, but we know when to take shit seriously, cause we care about our friends and those around us
Nor have I in fact, I've experienced the exact opposite. I went through a particularly bad break up years ago which came at a time when I was at my lowest in life (nothing was going right personally or professionally) and I suddenly had a nervous breakdown in front of one of my friends who was your stereotypical alpha who seemingly never let anything bother him and was considered the tough guy of the group. We weren't the closest of friends when it came to our circle but, when my breakdown happened, I was at the point of ending it all and the first thing he did was hug me and get emotional telling me I was going to be okay and to not give up. After that he regularly checked in on me and made sure to always invite me out to parties that he was going to away from our friend group. We ended up being closer than we were with anyone else in the group to the point that I'm now his sons Godfather. Dude fucking saved me.
Abuse men endure as children, physical mental or sexual simply goes unacknowledged, thus rarely discussed or treated. These are some of the major factors contributing to any individuals mental decline. When abuse goes unacknowledged, what we tell the abused is, they’re the one that’s crazy. If you tell a child, they are crazy long enough simply to avoid the uncomfortable nature of discussing abuse, you will create an insane individual.
It’s because I don’t want to open up, it makes me feel weak, it makes me feel desperate, I can make it through this, and if not then I won’t be bother to people anymore.
My favorite pass time is shoving an extreme large and diverse set of individuals into one box and attributing the thoughts of the few to the many. Glad to see others share this hobby.
@@freedomderpy4679 mostly guys wanting a more fair court system regarding custody battles. The courts put a lot of weight on having the child's mother in their life, even if the mother isn't as ready to take care of the child. As for who demonizes them, there isn't really a dedicated group, and it feels cheap to reply "feminists" It's mostly Karens who get butt hurt at any insinuation that a guy could be a positive member of a community.
@NothingToSeeHere-po5ci The last part is extremely cheap, but the court system regarding child support and whatnot I can definitely see. Whoever the breadwinner is should be the one taking care of the child. Also, whoever is most emotionally stable. Not man or woman
@@freedomderpy4679 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Like I said, it feels kinda cheap to just give a blanket response. It's like saying "The Twitter Mob" It's extremely broad and doesn't really point at anything. But unfortunately, that's kind of the closest answer. I mean, can you point at a group specifically against adding women to the compulsory draft in America? Or making legal rulings more equal when it comes to jail time? There isn't a default "Men's rights group," so there aren't any counter groups.
I think some of the best advice my dad gave me as a kid was "Outside of your family, and sometimes not even then, nobody gives a fuck about your feelings." Men have to stop sugarcoating the world for women. We are failing them by doing so.
My dad gave me the exact same advice and even threw in that sometimes even him and mom don't really give a shit and r just being nice. I'm a woman and I agree with u whole heartedly.
@@meredithgrubb4497 It is said, "In the last days, the love of many will grow cold". When even family can say they don't really care, but are just being polite? That's harsh ma'am.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 It's the unfortunate truth. Even the most casual of observers can see that the world is not fair. Not everybody is created equal. Some people get to be unconditionally loved, and some don't. That's just the reality of the world that we live in. Everyone knows that it's fucked up, and that's why we try to be nice and polite to spare people from the worst of it. But the reality is never the less there's a limit to how much you can expect other people to care about you. For some people that limit is higher, and for some it's lower.
@@Fraggr92 Don't I know it. I grew up w/ that too. Oldest daughter in our family of 3. Very obviously treated last, behind my sister and brother. So it wasn't even a sexist thing, in my very male favouring family. Trust me, they admit it too. Gave me a complex like crazy. Life is harsh.
Was going through and am still going through some annoying shit with my old boss where he didn’t pay me for like a months worth of work or something like that while telling me for a month and a half he’ll pay me and need me back in work so I naive as I am believed it didn’t look for a new job just waited really put me in a rut close to the start of it a girl I was talking to and felt comfortable talking to and venting to decided to just tell me something to the extent of “I’m tired of your problems you’re almost the perfect guy but you bitch too much just suck it up other people have it worse” it’s great being a man :D
Any woman who uses the words “ toxic masculinity “, should be automatically dismissed as someone who has rational thought. When you care about someone or something, you take care of it. You don’t wait for a plant to water itself. Same goes for someone you care about. You don’t wait for them to take care of themselves if they are suffering.
I remember a mental health and suicide convention for men got cancelled because it was "toxic masculinity" in Sweden 🙄 Each time a movement comes up and pops head out it gets beaten back into the ground it's hard to get roots.
Same thing happens here in Australia - in fact our biggest feminist organisation went as far as to create a fake mens charity to raise money for women whilst making everyone believe it was helping men. When people found out and called them out it was immediately cancelled and everything refunded.
Yup & seeing men in absolute tears cuz of all those hateful c**ts was heartbreaking. What was worse is there were even pathetic pick-me men in that group. They felt vindicated & happy knowing some poor dude probably deleted himself after that.
Her: Guys should create a men's mental health awareness movement. Also her: Guys shouldn't create a men's mental health awareness day as part of that movement.
For me it's her "I don't want to hear about it," that says the most to me. We know. So the avoiding being a burden, especially around our feelings is the most damaging way we socialize men. Some of us are hiding that we are in therapy because of how stigmatized getting help is for men. Speak out against roasting? Ma'am you do understand that if we didn't have that we wouldn't have ANY friends? I mean I don't. A lot of men live a social hermits. We may speak a little online but keep our stuff to ourselves because no one cares or wants To be our friend.
The fun part about it is no one gives a fuck and for people to say we don’t need to wait to let it out if we did we would be told to man up and ignore it’s mostly by women who complain about our coping mechanism
Anytime Men start a movement of any kind. There will always be a bunch of women trying to destroy it. Also: There is no such thing as toxic masculinity.
There definitely is such a thing as toxic presentation of traditionally masculine traits that "toxic masculinity" would normally be an acceptable shorthand for. Ironically, this behavior is often caused or exacerbated by the lack of access to, or willingness to seek because of the stigma associated with it, mental health care. Lack of good father figure role models for many boys growing up doesn't help the matter either. Lack of any father figure role models is bad enough, but worse are the "father" figures which do present many of these traits in a toxic manner(well, except as negative examples if the women in the boy's life are well above average in ability to communicate these kinds of things to the boys in question, which does happen sometimes). Though obviously there will always be jerks despite how they were raised and how much mental health they have access to. Unfortunately, the term "toxic masculinity" has been almost completely shifted to mean "any traditionally masculine trait I want to complain about today regardless of how it presents" by certain feminist groups and their allies in the media and tech world. This makes using it in a more logical way, such as I described above, less than ideal.
@@Warmaster_7 lol Her BS rant was a waste of time and energy because any example she may try to rationalize into some kind of masculinity being toxic could just be described as bad behavior period. There is no such thing as toxic masculinity, just bad behavior. I'm about done with these nonsense new modern narratives women try to throw around these days. It's ridiculous.
There is an overwhelming irony in telling people to be the change you wish to see and start your own movement when all she's doing is being part of the problem.
The feminazi's are waiting for that. It will validate everything they think about men. I can say this as I'm a woman, born with XX chromosomes and am not a feminist. They attack men as well as women who don't believe as they do.
Fr if we treated them the same we would be criticized to death. They complain about how we don't treat them fairly. They don't treat us fairly ladies first, don't hit women, women are smarter no that's all wrong how about men first, don't hit men, name one smart woman
We'd be absolutely screwed over by society for even daring to treat them the way they treat us the are seen as higher then us because all society sees is oh look a work horse let's get more out of them.
But hell, ya know ya dont call a damn woman to get shit done. Aint cuz women arent worthy of doin the thing. Just that men know the buck ain5 gonna stop elsewhere. Its on us, so after funding these hoe ass chicks, and their inf8delity, their self centered oblivious asshatery And still working our side gigs and 60hr workweeks, "yeah sweetie, ill get right on that shit. Can ya just get some milk on the way home? Oh, you goin clubbin cuz 'i work too much'.?" Yeah Aight Tell me again how ya cant find a decent man with ya selfish shit
Men are not allowed to have groups just for men. I went to a men's mental health group to help with PTSD there were three cis women there and they had gone to a judge to force the group to let them in. The group brole up and no other trauma groups were formed for men in the area because of these three women. If a guy tried that with a woman's trauma group he would be laughed out of the court house.
Yet if we tell women the same things they're all too comfortable saying to us, society at large would lose their sh*t because the world generally coddles women, even the dumb a**, entitled ones.
My father always told me when I was a kid to "deal with it, no one is going to care" and "women want strong and sensitive but they never tell you it's always for them and if it's not you're seen as a lesser being". I always thought he was either sarcastic or joking... till I got older.
And the reality of it too is that we usually don't complain about it. If we're talking about it it's because one of the few people asked us, not because we were actively complaining. Because yeah, we were all taught our feelings don't matter, and usually any time we do open up, we're either shit on, or at best a woman will be kind for a moment but still think less of us and slowly distance herself afterwards
Nah alot of the issues that go on come from how guys are told to "suck it up" and other things that demean those that show emotion. I'd describe that as toxic masculinity
I still recall the beginning of "counseling" with a professional therapist. I called her, it wasn't a Court Order, it was voluntary. The contract warned me that she could subjectively interpret anything I said as "dangerous," then alert he police for disposition. I am certain that men with guns warned by a professional counselor would treat me with gentle kindness and compassion as they drag me to jail. Better to implode than invite abuse.
Same story here, did a couple of sessions so them quacks would leave me be and hit the ground running, I aint leaving my life and freedoms to the whims of some shrink.
yep I got my freedom taken away for almost a week gladly I know how to lie very very well my single mother made sure of that one, glad I am out of that mess today I will never go back to that trash
They say they hate "toxic masculinity" but it's usually just an attack on masculinity in general which is essentially an attack on men. Punish men for not being women and then call them weak if they start acting like women or crazy if they keep acting like men. It is never part of the conversation of the positive aspects of masculinity or how to integrate that or how society has let men down because they can only ever be seen as evil oppressors. Society oppresses both men and women differently but we are both still fucked now we can bicker about how much more the other is fucked but we have to recognize we both have problems and not trying to kill someone on the inside out as the solution. This might be too controversial but here goes. I was talking to a male to female transexual once and they said they wanted to switch genders because they always saw how maleness is bad in society. Like it's a real problem I don't think people are willing to address.
There's a nugget of truth here for sure. Positive masculinity does need to be highlighted way more in media. You have a few figures like Uncle Iroh, but they're few and far between.
As a man who literally just gave up on his own mental health, I say: Forget about sharing the pain with those who are not worthy of knowing your pain. Between those who have experienced the same pain, there can be no hate, but if one person tells about their problems the other person didn't go through, there will be almost no sympathy for the one in pain. Share your problems only with those who have experienced the same pain. Otherwise, you're told to "man up".
@@Cyborg_Leninmasculine isn’t blind rage, that is weakness, masculine is being able to control your temper and be able to stay calm and stoic even if the worst of situations and outcomes, and to be able to protect those that you love and care for.
@@kingnaruto4life422 anger and violence are coded as masculine too just like stoicism and composure. Social constructs can be weird that way. Violent behavior is mostly toxic, stoicism is good most of the time. But being calm and stoic should not be ahead of a man's emotional health and maturity. That is again toxic masculinity too. See it's very easy to seperate toxic parts from productive ones. You did it yourself earlier.
@@Cyborg_Lenin while yes anger can be masculine at times, it is really in specific times, like say if you lost someone very close to you, not just for tiny reasons, and violence the same way. Masculinity can be toxic at times, yes, but the reason masculinity has been developed like this today in society is because back when the social constructs were first being developed, they really did need men like that, men who were stoic, strong and could show that they were powerful, since life was way more difficult and more deadly than it is now.
The reason we have "waited around" is because we are done. We are done caring about ourselves because no one else does. We are tired. Of being the only ones to put anything into ourselves. We are done. So we "sit around" hoping someone will care enough to put a stand up gor us... And help us without demanding we "man up"... We just want to feel cared for
I do agree with "we just want to be cared for". But sitting around is not the way to go bro. After a 13 year relationship that grew cold in the last 2 years of it i decided to break it off. I wasnt happy in the relationship where i poured everything i had. Not anymore. Im working harder than ever to live the life i want, to enjoy the things i love, to spend time with those whom are important to me. Im not going to lie to you, while i do miss certain aspects of a relationship i quickly remind myself how things are out there in the dating market and snap back to reality. One thing is for sure, having being single for 6 years now i have never been happier and with peace of mind. For us men, life is hard and unforgiving but we cannot simply sit around amd thats like saying to slowly die in the most depressing of ways. Get up, start caring for yourselves one step at a time, work hard and you will reap the benefits. Last time i hit rock bottom to the point of living in the streets and going a week or so without food i had the same thoughts, sit around and wait for the end. I still dont know exactly what drives me today but i can tell you one thing, i want to see how much i can do and how far i can get with the life i have. Stay strong brothers we can make it through in the names of those that lost the fight, lets make it to the end satisfied with the things we have achieved and with pride say we made it so others will make it as well.
