Nürburgring: Power or Handling? 500awhp BMW M140i vs. 230whp Honda Civic Type R

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What is more important on the racetrack: Big horsepower or handling and agility?
Today we are going to try to understand this question a bit better by comparing two completely different cars with each other. On one hand a drag-built 500 all-wheel horsepower and 700 Nm BMW m140i xDrive and on the other hand the Honda Civic Type R EP3 with "just" 230 wheel horsepower and 210 Nm of torque... BUT! With other track-essential mods such as aftermarket suspension, a Big Brake Kit and Limited Slip Differential.
Original videos:
BMW: • Drag-Built 500 *AWHP* ...
Honda: • Honda Civic Type R EP3...
Topics and Time Stamps:
00:00 Good Morning, Carmrades!
00:22 BMW Specs
00:41 Honda Specs
01:00 2 different cars
01:56 Disclaimer
03:08 On-Track Comparison
07:20 Brakes Issue
08:18 Seat Time
08:51 BMW Potential
09:05 Price
09:23 Honest comparison?
10:00 Conclusion
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@sergiojimenez3445 3 года назад

Handling is more fun and makes your car safer

@Tristan.R.J.M 3 года назад

And yourself aswell. Winwinwin

@wassilia1234 3 года назад

and makes you a better driver because everyone can go fast in powerful car but only good drivers can go fast with low amount of horsepower.

@TheRealDr.Mabuse 3 года назад

@@wassilia1234 NO, not everyone can go fast in a powerful car. Sometime not even in a straight line.

@weaksignal8009 7 дней назад

Mr. Chapman & Mr. Honda knew this!

@EM-ou2dn 3 года назад

Just put 500hp in the civic Sometimes even I am amazed by my own brilliancy

@damedusa5107 3 года назад

Then you would lose the front end

@APBperformance 3 года назад

and 4wd

@maitreyoda7404 3 года назад

@@APBperformance And you’d lose on the weight .

@jonboy602 3 года назад

@@maitreyoda7404 Add lightness.

@ScottPC 3 года назад

Get this man a job at NASA.

@DarthCSL 3 года назад

as continental once said " POWER is NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL "

@Supndrup 3 года назад

*Pirelli 👍

@99Lezard99 3 года назад

That really was pirellis Marketing wasnt it?

@gameboyterrorysta6307 3 года назад

I still see Leclerc crashing into Verstappen in front of this banner.

@neb-yr5589 3 года назад

@@gameboyterrorysta6307 lol

@RobertMitchell 3 года назад

I’m in the handling Fanclub right now!!!

@snoopydogg1 3 года назад

Absolutely 💯

@gerardjoaquino8856 3 года назад

Are we supposed to hold on to the hope you'll be owning a Honda sometime from now? 😉

@rhabeldibabeldi6812 3 года назад

@@gerardjoaquino8856 maybe the e30 got him excited for older cars again and he'll buy a new old track toy ^^

@jopa030 3 года назад

and you are Tier 1!!!

@TunaNoKetchup 3 года назад

Handling for me is everything!

@Jtaism 3 года назад

Couldn't agree more!

@110eidyR 3 года назад

Cannot agree more. If I should spend money for turbo or shocks, I would always go for shocks.

@steffenkawa8374 3 года назад

@@110eidyR and tires. They make a huge difference. For me tires then suspension and brakes.

@mzaversnik2655 3 года назад

Same. Rather drive a 90hp car around the twisties than a 500hp car on the highway

@IvanDriftGaming 3 года назад

Handling + less hp is more fun, you need to use every gear up to the limiter and you need a lot of accuracy to be fast. Every car can be fast on a straight line

@JerGol 3 года назад

Right, and exactly why the MX-5 has sold so well for so long.

@atom608 9 месяцев назад

I drove an Rs3 for a while and yeah it was quick it was so boring, just plant your foot and paddle shift but my stripped out 2zzge celica rowing through the gear screaming at 8250RPM is way more fun to drive.

@gjorgjichaushevski5214 3 года назад

Definitely you should make more comparison videos like this, well done.

@bawb265 3 года назад

Oh definitely, I love these vids!

@TheMrBizmo 3 года назад

This video is a perfect mirror to my experiences. I currently have a 400whp 135i M sport and my last car was an Acura RSX (very similar to the EP3). My RSX had full suspension, race brakes, Poly everything, braces, 'Cheater tires' etc. My 1er has FBO, minor suspension updates and rear subframe braces on street tires. For me, its not even a comparison on the track, the RSX was more fun in everyway besides the straights. The big 6 Piston calipers on the 1er will cook the 'sport' pads after a few good laps. The RSX would run all day with no fade, no issues etc. I will forever be a fan of light weight, engaging cars.

@codnerd1234 2 года назад

This is nice to hear as I have a es2 track build coming along, very fun car k20 no power steering no abs just raw driving inputs and feedback

@MrDavidfball 3 года назад

as someone who was raised in the performance tuning of the 1990's the mantra was forget about BHP, brakes and suspension first no good getting to a bend at 150 MPH to find out you can't slow down or get around the curve

@lmartinmiami82 3 года назад

Not the same 90's than mine ahah mine was intake, exhaust and mp3 CD music player first :)

@MrDavidfball 3 года назад

@@lmartinmiami82 MP3 how posh, my first audio upgrade was from a bog standard Vauxhall tape deck to a Blaupunkt CD player, MP3 was a thing of fancy back then. i admit to having a JanSpeed back box on it was the thing with Nova's back then

@lmartinmiami82 3 года назад

@@MrDavidfball in my 90's I was very young and definitely did not took the best decisions ahah. In Europe in the 90's when you had 150hp you was very lucky so listening a lazy 4cyl. Or a 6cyl. 🙄 At that time the best for me was the e36 3.2l this was and still is magnificent to listen all day long with no music.

@MrDavidfball 3 года назад

@@lmartinmiami82 back then though cars with 150 BHP (i had a Calibra 16v with that power) were not weighed down with 101 electric devices or systems to make someone with no talent the new Michael Schumacher. they could get some decent speed and a good driver stood out a mile, cars now have good power but weigh half a ton more

@lmartinmiami82 3 года назад

@@MrDavidfball true I my crx and that drama speed being at 220km/h was like 300 😅. Good thing is now it's easy to double or triple the Hp but we lost in feelings because of confort, weight,... In France guys like Renault because of taxes and réglementation have to keep their engine small therefore the weight down and that keep these cars like clio rs or Megan rs pretty fun, wish they would do rwd one though...

@leventevarga263 3 года назад

Everybody who is watching this video, knows the answer but watches it till the end😆😆.

@Goodstegosaurus 3 года назад

The M140i Chassis is so poor from factory, but with some decent springs an LSD and the underbody chassis mounts from BMW it actually starts to handle very nicely. Shame BMW couldn't do it from factory, but I guess it would have been too close to the M2.

@errolbrinkman2721 3 года назад

Nothing can beat the feel of being on the limit of a balanced car 😁

@DanKlar 3 года назад

Great comparison, Misha! Thanks for creating it. More of these would be fun to watch.

@koengixxer 3 года назад

Honda's are very good track cars, just needs good brakes,gummi and suspension.. Love this type of vid's👍😎

@andysgaragetherapy 3 года назад

I thoroughly enjoyed this one! As a civic owner it pleases me to see with simple handling mods and braking upgrades I can develop a car that still remains fun and a little competitive as well despite any horsepower disadvantages 🤙🏻

@hamzasherazi9334 3 года назад

Super interesting one. Definitely make more of such videos with different comparisons.

@MrJaurinho 3 года назад

you are, by far, best car youtuber rn, congrats not only to you, but all the team of apex.

@Wazi69 3 года назад

Comparisons are awesome! thank you

@jorgoshki 3 года назад

Great video Misha!👍

@Tristan.R.J.M 3 года назад

Cornerspeed! Team Shirmer approved.

@Tristan.R.J.M 3 года назад

MIS H A S CH IRMER The ch h chhchch is messing with me?!?

@klavsmadsen1720 3 года назад

Really good content Misha. Keep it up

@TeroOhranen 3 года назад

This was a great video, and I would love to see more of these comparisons!! Thank you Misha for the content!

@FreestylerAlbert 3 года назад

And the most important when you compare cars: how do they FEEL. Which one you enjoy more. After this the numbers come. The things which are not in catalogs are more important.

@shidous 3 года назад

Your "Honest Comparison" part was something many forget! Great job on putting it out there

@cwinner6277 3 года назад

That was so interesting! Looking forward for another one

@DeathNRebirth 3 года назад

Keep up this series and make it a regular thing for sure!

@WelcomeToAir 3 года назад

Misha you do a great job on all of your videos and this one was just like the rest, I’d love to see more of these type of videos but I’ll watch anything you post lol

@Admr_ 3 года назад

Very well edited video! I would love more of these types of videos.

@Pedro5antos_ 3 года назад

Awesome comparison! great content

@CosteaMelniciuc 3 года назад

This type of videos are really cool! Keep doing them! Love them! Really interesting analysis.

@averagebro413 3 года назад

I loved this comparison, please make more of them

@Undee-or7sb 3 года назад

Nice Video, Misha. Like the smooth Music in the Background.

@norrekaka3ks1 3 года назад

I would think that this type of content is great... Enjoyed the video, and I totally agree!

@Freddy-rq9bz 3 года назад

Very nice video Misha. I would like to see more of these car comparison videos 😎👍

@harabagiuf2008 3 года назад

Great video, quality content as always 👍

@rhabeldibabeldi6812 3 года назад

Enjoyed that comparison, looking forward to more of your expertise :)

@andrescosta6923 3 года назад

Great content! Thank you from Spain.

@washingtonweathershield2131 3 года назад

Useful video! Thank you! Yes, please make more similar videos.

@timschwanzer3381 3 года назад

Your Videos getting better and better with every single one Like it And yeah please more Videos Like this one 👌

@w0utar 3 года назад

this vid was pure genius! A new format found, and a very interesting one. Looking forward to you comparing driving Ring laps in a Koenigsegg Jesko and a Tuatara :D

@janmolenkamp3778 3 года назад

Well another informative video , most off it i already implemented on my performance car. Learned early that who comes out off the corner the fastest has a good change off winning a race. However as you eluded to that a variety off modifications are a compromise at the least. What i learned today from you is that brake fade on the Bimmer will cause understeer, not a feature that you like to happened. Again love your experience on the Nordschleife , a great R&D report, about car set ups. And keep those reviews coming. Thanks for the afford .

@where_s_wally 3 года назад

Really great video Misha!

@Pattypea 3 года назад

Love the video format!

@damogorm 3 года назад

Brilliant content here. Great video today

@kayhesse 3 года назад

Nice video Misha 👌🏻👌🏻 I would pick the Honda any day for this kind of use 😎

@pswmetalmonkey 3 года назад

Kay - you should give your car to Misha for a drive!

@moonquake1881 3 года назад

I had an EP3, I put a Mugen Torsten diff in there. What an amazing car that was, the grip was fantastic. And the K20 with the VTEC @6’000 was just magical, intoxicating, what a noise ! Drawback was you would start getting nervous at 220.

@DakeAit 3 года назад

Wow Misha, братуха, this video is dope!! We need more!!!

@ThEtEcHnOsAm 3 года назад

Handling, nothing beats a well setup car that you can use to its full potential.

@snoopydogg1 3 года назад

Excellent video and overlay

@xynthetic4 3 года назад

Need one of those hybrid racing shifters in my ep3! Awesome video , very interesting to see the difference even with the type R being so down on power compared

@thestig4408 6 месяцев назад

Nice video Misha, please make more like these. 👍

@kenneth9921 3 года назад

More of these video pls Misha. Thumbs up 👍🏻

@futte2303 3 года назад

Superb video Misha. 👍👍👍

@paullockwood7219 3 года назад

This is brilliant Misha. I'm a big 1 series fan, but I love the comparison given here.

@kingdongo4388 Год назад

Did you read this from a script cuz it was sooo good, and the editing was on point, we need more of these comparison videos again, really super Cool!!!

@mgcharoudin Год назад

Nope, and thank you :)

@pedroramos4718 3 года назад

In the end of the day for one ring tool made especially for the nurburgring starts always with handling mods, suspension, tires, brakes etc and only when you feel very confident with that you will go for some performance mods, but always remember, on the nordschleife the power sometimes can be your biggest enemy. Have fun guys and thanks for this amazing content misha!

@danielcalquinhas447 3 года назад

Thanks for doing this, great video

@CarLifeUK 3 года назад

Love these videos, pushes EP prices up 😂 Seriously though ep3's are great! If you can get over how chavy they look and the weird steering rack. Mines a decent spec now and goes pretty well👍

@Zdravko_F. 3 года назад

This was very nice of you.

@noahbirdrevolution 3 года назад

This is content! I heard Robert was jealous and now we know why. ;)

@einbertalstein 3 года назад

Hey Misha - intersting and cool video! I`d like to see more of these comparisons, and also comparisons esp. between a original car that you can afford, e.g. the Leon Cupra and different steps of modifications on that, for example, first the suspension, second suspension, brakes and Tires... Thank you for your content!!!

@Clarkyclarke1 3 года назад

Great vid as always 👌🏻🤟🏻

@johnm7052 3 года назад

Please do more more of this Videos!

@DannyColdhill 3 года назад

Good stuff! More videos like this for me👍

@simonkim0321 3 года назад

Enjoyed this one

@nitromichel 3 года назад

I just love your videos

@Bajsi7 3 года назад

Balance of performance, if something sticks out it doesn't help, harmony of all factors which influence overall performance.

@kookvision9295 3 года назад

Great idea for a video!

@domagojmedek4063 3 года назад

You should definitely make some more videos with comparison of other cars with different modifications, it shows what the real difference is! And my personal opinion is that handling are way more important then horsepower! It's always better to drive the slow car fast, than fast car slow!

@adrianbunyard6015 3 года назад

Good vid this is. Shows key differences and he describes it all well.

@peterthemaniac 3 года назад

plz moore of this during the offseason!

@adriangale 3 года назад

Def do more comparison videos like that!!

@florian_montuzet 3 года назад

Love this concept !

@maaang 3 года назад

Really great vid!!! Thx

@0Freguenedy0 3 года назад

The maximum improvements as possible in handling and break and just enough power for poweroversteer.

@DakeAit 3 года назад

Nice one !

@marcoberton366 3 года назад

Nice video! Could you please make some technical content about how you'd set up the suspensions for the track?

@RaoulWymann 3 года назад

hi misha, hi Carmrades happy 2021 to you and all of APEX

@BulletGER111 3 года назад

Hey Misha, I'd like to see a comparison between a M2 (N55) and M3 F80 or M4. There is a lot of discussion in the Internet if the M2 really is the more fun and faster car on track. Thank you for doing such videos. It is always interesting to hear opinions on "normal" or modified cars from an actual race driver.

@PiroFyre 3 года назад

My driving instructor for my first track day did a lot of wheel to wheel races in Hondas. When I still had my Civic Si, he told me "Hondas are low on power for a reason. They are momentum cars". I have since moved on to a different car but I will never forget what he said.

@shredthetrack6858 3 года назад

intresting to watch. Would be Nice to do more Like this

@TheMilenkata 3 года назад

Combination of both for me. Nice music added :)

@xx-chromosoom6471 3 года назад

I vote for a combination of the two , handling and power... perhaps the NSX is a fun ringtool since emissions getting important these days 😎 Anyway , great vid again Mischa !

@stijnvolders2732 3 года назад

Yes Misha, more video's like this please :-D

@mikerobinson7988 3 года назад

I love these comments as my 2 daily drivers are a rear wheel drive M140i and Megane RS III Aus GP special edition... Both hot hatches bother blindingly fast but both completely different. I can't say I could live without either of them 😁

@phatfatninja 3 года назад

Great video Misha illustrating how power isn't everything. I'm finding my M240i has way too much power for how poorly the stock set up is on the car. I mostly drive on twisty mountain-ish roads, and even then, driving moderately, I find the setup to be very lacking in the "fun" department. Too much power, too much understeer. I much preferred using lighter cars with better brakes, better suspension and tires and less power.

@sickjohnson 3 года назад

This video had me thinking about that K-swapped Lotus you took for a lap last year Misha. Might have to go watch that one again now.

@jpdp3339 3 года назад

Yes! Make more like this one. I would be interested to see a 997 GT3 vs a 991 turbo.

@unal3266 3 года назад

I fall in love with big breaks 😍 always looking good on the car

@K2xan_ 3 года назад

This is an great video on why you should have a competent braking system before trying to push on the ring

@whitehouse237 3 года назад

Used to have the M135i with a few power mods.....had more fun in my Clio 182 cos of the handling. People just need to have the car they enjoy and not worry about numbers.

@mnoovurvi 3 года назад

That cannot happen if you have never had the power. Once you've had a fast car and is out of your system then yes.

@MrSlomt 3 года назад

make more comparison pls, really enjoy this video. =)

@Wirenfeldt1990 3 года назад

Unless your track of choice is Monza, Daytona or Road America, handling is king... This was really interesting.. keep it up sir!

@PeakPerformanceReviews 3 года назад

Handling first always with a dab of power mods of course 👌👍

@justar6865 3 года назад

A bit of both really

@martinchapman2168 3 года назад

Good video

@MacheteK 3 года назад

Good comment

@redslate 3 года назад

Handling So many Euro hatchbacks blew by my 500 tq muscle car like it was nothing. Suspension components were already on-order; that experience reaffirmed the decision.

@terot8341 3 года назад

Power is nothing without control, but control can be without power. And when you combine those two, it will be hell lot of fun. Writing This before watching video.

@SusloNick 3 года назад

this is very interesting type of comparison video

@TheFranpire 3 года назад

Definitely handling and braking for me. Those were the first much to come on my Track Citroën C2. Only after that I upgraded the power. Also, I like very light cars, there is no greater feeling than a very light, balanced car on track!