Naruto - Pain's Philosophy 

I've seen this video like 30 times...

WE NEED IT!!

What about Zabuza

it werent jiraiyas enemies rather than random people he met over the years during his travels

Hella dope

Flamin' Cat and that's why naruto is a kids show

That's why you have cancer, sorry sir.

MT Games is it childish to be optimistic?

Antony I'm not talking about pain or madara these are awesome characters but naruto was 100% qualified to lose this dude should've lost but nooooo power of friendship always wins. fan service ruined this awesome show unfortunately :(

@MT Games dats the point of the show though..most animes do ve similar stories; to have a hero (mc) appear and do something dat has never been done... its basically making something considered impossible happen through determination and hope

R B that became one of my favorite quotes

nope

quotes like that are just idiotic to me and do not apply to me

Sasuke kuniski you just need a good punch on your face then. That'll apply to you.

Shinra Tensei Lmfao

"There is no coming to consciousness without pain" would have been the better quote to use here, as Nagato not only sees the fallacy of righteousness(Heaven vs. Hell) but has found the answers to it through his painful experiences. I had to read some info about Carl Jung though to respond here, and I think he's my favorite psychiatrist now after reading his quotes!

Lukas Lukas lol now you’re quoting Nagato but basically I was saying that right and wrong are in the eyes of the beholder, and that the only people who can see right and wrong objectively (I mean those who can understand someone else’s view on right and wrong at least) are those whose definitions of right and wrong have changes due to tragedy in their lives. For instance, Nagato originally saw good as guiding people down the path of friendship and mutual respect, but when Yahiko sacrificed himself he was forced to embrace the general view of right and wrong, being that righteousness is determined by the victor. He wouldn’t have been able to see past his own views had such deep pain not entered his life.

Woah wtf that's deep

Wow

Very interesting.

My philosophical side awakened when Patrick asked ''is mayonaise an instrument?''

Oh yeah. Naruto does that to people man lol

Tai Ezenwa Oh yeah. Naruto does that to people man lol

same. but for politics, I've already realized it since Chuunin exam. Chuunin exam is the same product of Cold War between Capitalist vs Communist

Amir Syarifudin Uchiha That’s a very interesting input, now is it in regards of. The Leaf being a capitalist free market nation? Where I believe the Sand Village didn’t want to trade with anyone else? Or was it with the Sound Village? Please enlighten us man, sounds pretty cool.

Astroboy Sid madara

Orocimaru

Lord Rahwana Orochimaru was different. You see, he wanted to create a world for himself where immortality would bring peace. It was after much warring that Orochimaru became what he became.

Madara wanted peace but felt that it was possible by creating a new virtual world

@@barry.b.bensonjr He wanted immortality in the world so that nothing would ever die. All the bad things he did was to obtain knowledge on immortality

all of them

Take its chi out he was forced and manipulated into that position

MoonChild no he chose to go to be a spy for the village

@@averagesixersfan9778 Itachi wasn't manipulated or forced into anything, he voluntarily averted civil war by killing his clan so long as The 3rd Hokage looked after sasuke and made sure he stayed in the village. If you want to know everything about Itachi, go watch "Itachi's story" in Shippuden. They're filler episodes but are amazing and give you a great perspective of Itachi whilst explaining how the whole killing his whole clan thing happened.

3NigM4 he was given the whie or black decision by Danzo. He said if he didn’t help them they would kill everyone and his brother or he could cooperate and save his brother.

ON GANGGGG

That`s Troy Baker, one of the most versatile young VAs in the industry!

*Madara

Pain, madara and my opinion I feel like hashirama suited him quite well

Hmm

Not a villain

Best villain from all anime’s

He was portrayed as villain when we were younger but when you grow up you see he wasn’t evil or bad he was just sad and didn’t want anyone to live through war

Electric- City not a villain hes a hero

Facts

Fuuuuuuu

Well, Kakashi learned that from his sensei the 4th Hokage, and Minato learned that from Jiriyah. Its knowledge that have been passed down.

@@horacevu not quite. That's a situation shinobi have to be aware of and train for. How the hell would Jiraiya know that happened to Yahiko if he only found out just moments before his death? Kakashi knows because it happened similarly to him though in this case he killed Rin. That was the test he gave out as an example based on his experience, not Jiraiya's.

@@mintyfresh4855 wtf are you on about? I'm talking about the 2 bells test. It's was pass down from 3rd Hokage to Jiraiya to 4th Hokage to Kakashi to Team 7. You're off topic!

@@dejavu3914 it falls under the same umbrella. The bell test and the "kill Naruto or Sasuke die" all falls under the same Shinobi lessons. I don't know what the other guy was rambling about.

Same I've had a rough up bringing so I have an idea of where pains coming from, I can relate a bit. It's true, people don't know what it's like until they experience the same pain.

thismakesnosense he’s relatable to a lot of us

Pain isn't a Hero though. Hero's don't murder the innocent in mass numbers for no apparent reason other than to bring about Destruction.

Conker the Squirrel more of an anti-hero

True, He could be considered a Anti Hero. He possibly considered himself as a Hero, But really wasn't.

coreyon davis itachi

Itachi's understanding of the world was waaay more advanced and he truly is an Hero

Young Rich He is. Though, I did like Pain's way of showing what happens.

Young Rich Because he never wanted to rule anything. He just wanted every nation to fight and then experience the same Pain he had went through. Then true peace would occur.

I feel what your saying man. It's another great example by Kishimoto that a human simply cant attain true peace no matter how wise he is..

Pain was the reason I’m so interested in philosophy now

And that’s 📠 🗣🗣🗣

@@mannymax7543 pathetic, dude , that’s not philosophy, that’s not how philosophy works , it’s a kids show

@@wwe12153 bro💀 u do know that if someone raps on your profile picture they see comments of u just talking shit right?💀 nobodies gonna fall for the trolling

@@AntdaGreat lol

ww2 made people fear nuclear nations, not the horror of war. those who felt the horror of war are no longer here. But what about the nations without nukes? they're getting ravaged left right and center to this day.

Austin Carleton Well Kishimoto did use World War 2 information as references linking back to Nagato and his alias Pein.

@Sousuke ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DwKPFT-RioU.html

Sousuke Aizen I guess that means we’re due for another major conflict right?

Dude wars still occur man it's just that we ignore it. One doesn't have to know pain to know peace. Pain mostly leads to revenge causing more pain.

Indeed resembles Pain's English dub.

I thought the same thing when the video started! lol

Lil Basty i thought it was the actual pain lmao

How do we know it’s not Pain🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

No

That's a lot of words to say you're 13-14

Exactly ‘

Only two teams, good team and bad team, atsuki = bad team so gotta hope they lose

It got me into true crime and made me read White Devil by Robert Halloran.

As kid I think naruto is true but as an adult is see truth in pain words. You cannot have peaceful life if you're remain weak. For a country you're needs some nukes.

Augustine Junior Facts

I know his voice is strangely calming.

@@hyacinthgrows kinda chalky

I can see him playing a villain or an anti hero

Or maybe an RU-vidr with 80k subscriber. OH wait he's already achieved that

but how violence is a part of nature if no one knows about the other than it go back to square one to me war apart of us a part of nature all nature has to say is fuck you make it worst some were else and back to square one again

Elvijs WW2 & nukes on Japan are the proofs

Nah that wouldn't work violence brings more violence it would never bring peace people would always seek revenge unfortunately pain himself made that excuse because he wanted to seek revenge from this world he just wanted everyone to feel the pain he felt even tho his pain wasn't the greatest he thought it was the greatest his friends death turned him into a mentally ill person

U have a serious problemb

MT MT To counter the revenge part, that’s why Pain wanted to make the Ten Tails. It’s a weapon he would’ve used to crush any vengeance brewing in resistances. That’s how I understood it, at least. I do agree with that part. Nobody will rebel against something like that unless they have a plan, but if Pain killed Naruto, who was probably one of the strongest Shinobi alive at that point, all hope would’ve died with him and it would’ve been immensely easy to reform the Ten Tails at that point.

It’ll show up eventually

nah they are childish Villians they don't have justifications or motivations for their goals, why they do evil things ? the answer simply we are evil IMO that some stupid writing even evil people in real life have their justifications.

neji hiashi not always. Some people do evil for the sake of it. Ever heard of The Joker? And what about Orochimaru? You need to get out of the cave my man

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 well no one do evil things for the sake of it you're delusional, for the joker i don't know his character, for orochimaru he seeks immortality because he wants to master all justus that's his justification and maybe being a nihilist.

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 the Joker doing crazy for crazys sake is a big part of his character its an essential part of who he is. the villains in Boruto lack that depth, its just "I AM BIG BAD" and thats it. No awesome back story or moral grey area. And Orochimaru has TONS of plans and reasons, he super methodical. He literally gives Sasuke the Curse Mark and says "in time, he will come to me" he's the OPPOSITE of evil for evils sake.

You are an idiot

CFN-_-Kenny *clicks on profile* *Everything is Fortnite* -_-

@@xijinping3317 no you're !

@@thealchemyst6188 his comment makes no sense

@@xijinping3317 How exactly doesn't it?

Naruto is just too overpowered like in war arc , "oh naruto arrived at all battlefields " , " oh it's still not kurama's full power", "oh 50% kurama is woth minato , Other tales-- are we joke in this show?

​@@DeepakSharma-tz2kz so true and if you think about it it has always been that way Gara had the 1 tail. and Naturo beat him with Summoning justu granted he had help just like he had help against pain and Nagato. He was not gonna win against him 1v1 and i think the story teller wanted us to know that. This forced Naturo to realize that rage and aggression would not win and he needed to strategized which is why he generally wanted to know what happen to cause all of this. Afterwards he realized that he was a fool and need to come up with a new strategy to do what seemed impossible. Naruto did not win vs Pain yes he defeated him but that was only with LOTs of help. And while everyone loves this Arc the most many also underestimate how powerful pain actually was in the grand scheme because of the 4th war. Until you got the 10 tail Jinchūriki Pain was still the most powerful character in the show. Itachi was probably the 2nd most powerful. Tobi might be the 3rd as its hard to say i say tobi is weaker mostly because he Loses to many people in the show. If not tobi id put the shark guy as the 3rd as it takes Guy to power up to very painful gates to beat him. Kinda makeing him the joke character but he was very powerful. The Kages while very powerful them self's they almost always have backup. Team wise they are stronger then any of the akatsuki aside Pain of course. Pain needed Sage toads/ Sage naruto/ Big boss toads/ and 9tails to be defeated. And that was a Pain who recklessly used a lot of his power beforehand! to wipe out the village by him self. Also a pain who could of still fought. Whos the most powerful character in Naruto again? YA...

He's not underrated at all lol. Zabuza is underrated.

Do you know what underrated means

@@FlyingMonkey208 i think he is, i have a lot of anime friends, when asked whose their favorite in Naruto...not one out a hundred says pain, they mostly says Kakashi, Sasuke and itachi

His plan was basicly what the 4th shinobi war acomplished. Union and peace over shared suffering. Well guess Nagato was right afterall.

So basically how we have nuclear bombs in the real world, someone is destined to use one sooner or later

xOG4L Gaming Possible. If every nation had equal millitary strengh no country would be raided or becomes a battlefield in that sense.

Weird thing is harashima already did this

Trafalgar Water D. Law it was union and peace FROM shared pain. What you said was inceedibly stupid

Joel Ayers Yup. This makes him one of the characters I like to study. Another I like to study is Deidara... Speaking of which, I wonder what caused him to come to the conclusion of art being explosive. Many artists do experience something that creates a unique definition for each person.

The thing is, there is no other ways to do so

Joel Ayers Pain didn't do anything wrong its like a double sided sword people view naruto as the hero because he's village has a great hold of power its like saying rebels are villians but some people will view them as hero's

he tried to make the world experience his pain before he create peace out of selfishness

@@muhannabasalem574 Not out of selfishness, but because he thought, only when they experienced that pain, would they understand, that they never want it again, therefore building a generation of people who despise war. A generation that would probably want the best for their kids(the next generation), therefore teaching them the horrible pain of war, so that they may never start a new. So the reason he wanted everyone to experience that pain was, so that the peace afterwords could last longer(if not forever, if you're an optimist). At least that's what I believe, why he did all this. Still after all, I think he had the right goal, the right reasons, he knew the current situation(cycle of hatred) better than anyone else, but he tried to solve it the wrong way. Cause if you sacrifice 20 in order to save 200, the relatives and friends of those 20 would suffer the pain of loss, thus creating hatred for the one they believe is responsible for it. And at least one of them will seek vengeance, to create their justice, therefore creating another group of people experiencing the pain of loss. That's the cycle he talked about, that's the cycle he wanted to break, but his way of breaking it was only another layer of that cycle, so without noticing it, Nagato too fueled the cycle of hatred, he so desperately wanted to break. These are my thoughts on this subject, I'm not saying they're the truth everyone should believe. It's just what I believe.

This is true

You strive for your justice, and I strive for mine

“Justice will prevail you say?!? Of course it will because those who stand at the top determine what’s wrong and right! This very place is a neutral ground!”

The brutality of vengeance is limited by and against those who wronged you. If you exceed that limit by taking it your rage upon those who did nothing to you, then you have only caused injustice and madness. If I had to paraphrase all of that, it's that vengeance always has a reason behind it's actions. Injustice does not need one.

"Right now we live in such a cycle. I have seen the past and can foretell our future. It is the same as our history..."

Hinata and kid obito rival them imo...kid obito was awesome.....I know its filler but seeing hinata as a good big sister and learning the real reason why her dad chose her sister to be the heir because hinata couldn't strike when she had an opening out of love showing her dad she couldn't be trusted to kill in battle due to emotions and thus wasn't fit to lead for the safety of the clan was interesting and adorable...she basically is for hanabi what itachi was for sasuke ..but hinata was not a prodigy since she didn't like to fight which meant she didn't get pressure or get to live like a heiress training to protect her clan nonstop so instead she strived worked hard enough in her own field to get where she wanted to be and was happy with her regular situation and smiled through the pain of feeling unwanted for being so loving because she found hope in naruto even if that goes lfrom admiration inspiration to full on crush...by caring she got left a tougher life but she excelled in that cause it gave her a goal and dream of her own ...she was innocence ..what she does for naruto 3 times makes me like her even more ..

Cecil Pain and Itachi is a more Complete Character but i think Gaara is amazing Character with a Really good Backstory

Kakashi?

Golden Prodigy better than Obito but Pain and Itachi is in another level

Pain and Obito for me

nope

Shinra Tensei What are you talking about He couldn't even capture nine tails in chibaku tensai Sasuke who had no experience with rinegan captured all none bijuu

@@muhammadzeagham4092 Its called plot armour lol, if Pain captured the 9 tails, then the anime would have ended.

Girei No Pain couldn't have captured nine tails because Obito clearly told Sakura that rinegan shows it's true power only when it's original owner is using it

@@muhammadzeagham4092 Lol. Obito was talking about the exclusive abilities of the Rinnegan, like Madara's limbo or Sasuke's teleportation. That has nothing to do with why Pain couldn't capture the nine tails.

Wow

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PUT FULL STOPS FFS

King Angel Couldn’t say it in a better way

When the world is at the worst of its chaos, everyone on the planet will work together to end it or they will split into two sides and quickly decay.

@@darxis8822 Well I already know that humans are stupid so they will probably chose the latter

The sad thing is, Nagato was right. Peace can't reach out to every crying and hungry child who's been hurt by others, but fear can. The fear of being hurt or losing those that matter to you is stronger than you know

@@JoeFanik Nagato is wrong. Fear can temporarily enforce peace, but relies on leverage that once lost, sets of a domino of retribution that breeds war as well. The best example of this, is Nagato himself, who transformed into Pain because of that fear.

@@SuperHongTay yep. More accurately, neither side is right

That's how MAD doctrine of nuclear weapons work, the fear of these weapons destroying the whole world prevents every nation possessing it from starting a world war.

tbh i believe every human has evil surpressed, it only takes a certain trauma to bring that out

People aren't born evil neither they are born good. It's the type of life you live.

Soumyadeep Genius in some ways

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 u can choose to be kind

Baby Uchiha most don’t

Greg thank you!

I agree

Not really

@Two3hree Smoke no u

@sasuke u can't even beat ur brother. Shut up nigga

@ѕαѕυкє I'll touch u once and your soul is gone

TitanicCLuB don’t say the fucking n word

@Shizu kage ❶ cringe

Way to rewrite someone's top comment lol

@@tidepods5506 fr lol 2nd thing I detest the most in this world

I laughed so much

I wish they stopped it

💯😂

He meant that this will be the final course He didn’t mean that war will eventually come again after his plan He just said it will happene again for the the final time

Same bro 🤍

Itachi’s?

L L s

yours*

*feels his face stretch* NYuhhhh muh pain gratr

who is yourrrr!!!

Pain/Naruto-san nope it’s My pain is still far greater than yours

No he really wasn't a hero.

@@Salik96 He was realistical.

@@henrysmusic5212 He wasn't stfu how is destroying Villegas gonna solve problems?

@@Salik96 you are a kid now what to say

This anime is kinda too egoistic on Naruto. I wish they showed Rain willage after Pain's and Konan's deaths. Most probably it would be target of attacks again and be ruined.

*Orochimaru experimenting on kids in the background*

Marc Ramirez *Cheers*

Only Voice to Rival his Deepness is Madara

To a new nation

Gave birth to pain

He is the reason because the war is trash and not bring nothing good

Or who are nihilistic

I don't stab myself to appreciate not being hurt, nor do I starve myself to appreciate being able to eat. This philosophy also implies crippling somebody (say, purposefully damaging their eyesight, deafening them, numbing their Nervous System, etc.) would make them appreciate life in general. Just like death shouldn't make me value life (instead life itself makes me value life), pain of among the highest calibre shouldn't make me value peace. Nagato assumed his philosophy was correct because he lost sight of the individual - understandable, considering there were those who worshipped him as a literal deity - thus assumed his experience meant he knew right. Yes, he always asked for alternatives, but you could chalk it up to most people who live in a world like Naruto being rather ill-equipped to talk philosophy (just look at the intelligence of the average Konohagakure citizen...). They'd rather talk competition, profit or otherwise show off, which is an intrinsic part of human nature and thus can't be ignored easily.

​​@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674I'm not against you, but nihilistic word kind of discounting Pain's philosophies actually are.

Prateek Gawarle Therefore they are still bad. But what you're trying to say, is that all "bad" people are actually just really good people in fucked up situations. I hear ya.

@@DMTInfinity wrong though. Go read Panzram

Damn

i've met people who have gone through a lot of PAIN. A victim of circumstances as you would call them. But that victim can choose weather to become bad or good. Perhaps it's more likely for them to become bad but god gave us free will and so we decide.

@@DerickdeJesus itachi is a good example. Even after being forced to kill his clan for leaf he didn't held grudge against anyone. He kept watching over leaf.

SupremeSaiyan I like that understanding

Also not everyone will stop after feeling the pain they dealt onto others They just see reason for revenge and the cycle goes on

Ye but that's not all of pains philosophy and also wants to achieve peace through fear, since people will start to fear him and will start living in peace because they're too afraid of the consequences

Nagato was actually acknowledging this flaw as he pointed out the cycle of hatred. It was as the analysis explained a rather utilitarian choice that through creating you‘ll rather gain real peace than through friendship/optimism which will let themself hurt by evil ppl. It‘s the only choice possible for Pain to create peace in a realistic manner

War only brings more war

Exactly and the wars he creates will only cause momentary peace

Rashad Holloway just reading that gave me chills

Rashad Holloway Lol

That was kinda deep lol

no

They were all my favorites

I agree, mostly with the point of selfishness. While Pain was selfish for the right reason, the execution he had in mind was not the right way of going about it. Nice post.

Well you know, in the end it was the 4th war and the pain caused by "Akatsuki" that actually ended wars between the nations, united them and in the Long run kept a peace going. So Nagato was right all along. Also unlike Sasuke or Obito, Nagatos reasons for killing other Killers and potential revenge Killers was not for his own selfish deiers but for the shared dream of many by archieving peace. And as mentioned before it was pain and war that united the world. Not just peace and love, and talk. And it was this realism that set's Nagato appart from Obito or Sasuke. Because he was actually during a war on a literar battlefield. All his childhood he has seen pain , death , suffering, hunger etc. All the atroceties of war no Child should witness, and that went on with loosing his parents in a brutal way infront of his eyes, accidently killing People and having to deal with that fact. Then going through hunger himself and watch People being all selfish and hoarding Food despite being possibly able to spare a tiny bit. Meeting a Little dog, Konan Yahiko. Getting the shared dream to stop all suffering in the world and end all wars making every Nation equal. Then loosing his dog, getting over it and still go on with his Goal into early adulthood. Still traumatised i assume. Then being so Close to freeing all of Amegakure by allying with Hanzo who abandoned his previous Goal of freeing the rain for power and betrayed them. Ending with Konan almost dying, and Yahiko having to sacrafice himself. Loosing his best friend and the Naruto like Charakter that kept them going. After saving Konan and killing Hanzos People finding out all other Akatsuki members died. Not knowing it was Obito and beliving it was Hano. Etc. He was manipulated into hate yes, but his reasoning did proof right. And he has a realistic way of mentaly growing into this way of thinking. Unlike Obito who wants to execute his plan because Rin died, or Sasuke who wants to destroy an entire Village because some Superiors used his brother.

Trafalgar Water D. Law Well, to be fair, Sasuke had a better mindset on achieving peace than Obito, whereas, Obito wasn't about achieving peace, he was about living in an illusion from reality instead trying to save it, which to means adding fire to the fuel.

Pretty much.

Damn that's a long history in one comment

@@gnarlytj8919 in the Japanese dub his name is Pein while in English it's Pain

Armari Waterworth thank you!

Just earned a another one

Armari Waterworth Take this one too!

Another one

Sage's Rain another one

and naruto proves the point that " a villain is just a broken hero "

Written ? Pain using shinra tense to lose his chakra and make the job easier for naruto is bad writing

Your stupid killing pain by the hands of Naruto ruins the arc Naruto learned from pain and wanted to understand him and stop the cycle of violence

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