NASCAR and the Dam of Legitimacy 

if you were not there i would not even think of nascar .. they made v8 going at 200 mph boring it is kinda sad ... now they can use their free time as bud light maketing manager ...

you forgot to mention the 1992 nascar championship and the 1979 and 1980 and 1983

You gotta see the lucas oil late model guys at cherokee man

Oh hey, that's me! ;^P

The tuck rule was changed almost 10 years after the "original" Brady/Woodson play in 2002. It's a common misconception that: 1. It was an incorrect call 2. It had never happened before or again 3. It was a bad rule. Before instant replay/slow motion/camera angles got to where they are today, it would be remarkably hard for an official to make a call on when a QB decided to tuck, and not throw the ball. One more thing most people don't know...the 2 players were once teammates at Michigan. Go Blue!! Go Pats!!

If he ends up fined by that and S1ap opens a crowdfund to pay the fine, i will put my money.

This is cool comment

Nascar will ban journalists from the garage for not praising them.

@@HirokaAkitathere’s no feasible way that would ever be held to legitimacy in a court of law, for the drivers they have to pay to continue racing, slap doesn’t have any skin in the game, he’s a big time viewer year but the hell is nascar gonna do? Take him to court? That won’t work well

​@@bajasummit6209Brian took DBF to court, and that worked pretty fucking well for him. S1ap is gonna get hit with his own suit.

It sometimes felt like he was trying to hand JJ the alltime lead for titles but still couldnt get ahead of Dale and the King. I watched Nascar from my first memories in 1987-88 til about 5 years ago and its not even close to the same. I fell in love with the gritty racing and Dale Sr. and none of that exists to any extent anymore. Also Bob Jenkins and Benny as announcers were just as legendary as Madden and Summerall

​@@MrGoombasticveryFantasticI frequently go back and watch the races from the 80's. NASCAR is a completely different thing now. Everything is so contrived now, it's impossible for me to take it seriously.

I was as big of a fan of Winston Cup as anybody when that was around. I event watched a ton of Busch Grand National races. That era ended at the end of 2003 and I have not been interested in NASCAR on a regular basis since.

You know what was crazy back in the 80s and before, I'd say even the 90s, debris was on the track, apron even and unless it was in the racing groove, they kept on racing. A harmless spin in the back of the field? Kept on racing. I know things change, but I wish we'd let nature take its course on some of these things nowadays. I don't mind the new but it doesn't feel complete.

So one would wonder how NASCAR would explain that? Someone should ask "Is there less debris on the track today than before? Are you no longer calling cautions for debris on the track? Why didn't you call cautions for debris on the track in years prior?" I'm sure NASCAR would come up with some lie like "Since 2017 we've tested and determined that most debris is harmless so no reason to throw cautions anymore"

I mean. For shit like that you can go back like 120 years to things the Backsox scandal.

Any time gambling enters the picture, fixing is soon to follow. League of Legends had a veritable organized crime problem with bookies threatening players to throw games in a chinese academy league

Gambling on sports has always been a huge part of the appeal. Since the very beginning.

That was going on way before sports betting was legalized. There's an author Brian Tuohy who's written multiple books about how rigged sports are, going almost back to WWII. A year or two ago there was also, I think a former Steelers player, who heavily hinted on a radio show that the super bowl is rigged.

@@HexadeciThere's a difference between "people like gambling on sports" and "Mafia-like organizations have a large controlling stake in elite sports through gambling businesses that are designed to turn people into addicts".

And you don't want the people that are only there for Pitbull at halftime. That's the most fickle crowd out there.

What’s wrong with the midseason tournament? That’s a basketball thing worldwide

In season tournament was cool

Because the in season tournament is a gimmick.

Only two sports I've followed my whole life (54). Baseball and NASCAR. I stopped watching NASCAR in the late 2000's. All my favorite drivers were gone The cars were generic and boring as were the newest generation of drivers. And I never could fully wrap my head around the playoff system. But now we're going through the same thing with baseball. After 100 years of almost no changes, they're changing all kinds of stuff. And the fans aren't happy.

Nah, it’s worse than that. The driver that won the first 35 races can theoretically finish 2nd in the final race and lose the title. Don’t even have to be knocked out of the race, just finish 2nd and that’s it. 35 consecutive wins for nothing.

@@FormerlyYBMT indeed. and then people will tell you that the playoffs reward wins above all else with a straight face.

@@-ragingpotato-937 Exactly. I know it’s CTS, but tell Matt Crafton that wins are the most important part. In Cup, tell Harvick, or Truex, or Byron that wins are the most important part.

Then the playoff fans come back at you with, "Well, under the old system, you could finish 7th every race and win the championship." As if that's somehow a bad thing.

Or another could have last-place DNF's for a majority of the season, just get a handful of wins through the playoffs but all other events end at the bottom of the scoring pylon, dragged to the garage on the hook... And still steal the trophy. That's what I don't like

100%

Thanks for the heads up so I don't have to waste time listening to yet another stick n baller act like they are a concerned Nascar fan.

Exactly! Been saying that for years. One size does not fit all

This right here!

Funnily Enough F1 has had both results in the last three seasons. 2021 a final race to decide it all. 2023 Max wins with like 8 races left

WTF how weird is that

Nice catch. I kind of grazed past that. 😂😂🤮

That was some gay Sh##

@liliango52 All the gay men I know have more dignity than that.

Nah gay people think that's weird as fuck too

ROCHESTER CORRUPTION SHOUTOUT 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

Except that has never happened in football or basketball.

You are delusional if you think the NFL, NHL and NBA don't have legitimacy problems.

They should be employees of every worker in Nascar. Or, employees of the drivers only.

There's also a player's union/association that allows the players to directly communicate their needs and wants to the league itself.

this video is basically why I quit watching NASCAR around 2010s-2014. Been a fan since a kid in the 80s. I DISPISE NASCAR now. I've switched strictly to dirt track racing & Flo Racing with sprint cars / late models. Sprint Car racing is so damn good these days that it totally replaced what nascar used to fill. NASCAR got too big for its' britches.

Nascar Sanctioning body is the United States what CBA and CBF is to Brazil when it comes to Football and Motorsports. A SHEITSHOW corrupt beyond any measures

They all think "precedent" is the person who lives and works in the White House.

This meme/joke extends back over 20 years ago lol. Back in the days where they would sometimes throw a red flag to get their “green white checker” at the end of a race. We’re talking around 2002.

Sounds kind of similar to the FIA these days.

This is grim.

That’s very sad. All the big drivers from cup eventually retire and go back racing local spots all over the nation just like your husband, if u ask them they would say he’s living the dream. Just with a little less money

Not sure if you mean dirt or pavement super late models but there's opportunity in dirt racing now a days, although the rich kid element is growing there too.

Unfortunately, I can relate to that. And unfortunately, it’s not only a NASCAR problem. I’ve been racing go-karts for years since I was a child in my country, and we also have all sorts of legitimacy problems with our sanctioning bodies - unfair tech inspections, officials ignoring dangerous behaviour on track, or penalties straight out of nowhere. When people ask, who I am, I always say that i’m a racer, but sometimes I think, that I can’t deal with all of the BS anymore and think of retiring from the sport. I wish you and your husband best of luck, I hope someday all racers from around the world can finally do actual racing without worrying about strange officiating calls.

We can all feel down in the dumps for realizing a dream of going pro is not there anymore (including me after I graduated high school when I knew my chances were gone to go pro but I'm glad I didn't invest anymore time and effort to go to nascar)...but one thing I could say is your husband is one of the "best" because he's like every other local short track driver including myself...We've gone to the track and have won/loss many races overtime...At the end of the day, this is what makes legends, you don't have to go pro to be the "best." Don't put a question mark in place of a period...

Just need Penske to buy the series.

Back in the late 90's there was talk that Bruton Smith would take all his tracks and create a breakaway league similar to CART/IRL in the mid 90's. NASCAR will never change, but I think there could be room for competition to end the monopoly.

The management now is not the France family, but they're still doing the same things that Brian did. Jim France is very hands off and it's Phelps and Kennedy running the show. Hasn't changed much.

I think seeing how big AEW has grown outside of the shadow of past WWE/McMahon shenanigans, NASCAR (or whatever their competitor/replacement is called) could definitely do with a reinvention.

It's actually entirely possible if the downward trend of ratings continues on the same course and the same shills continue to tell us to get over it. If people aren't watching in any capacity, they won't be able to keep the lights on or the TV networks happy. I went to an Xfinity race last year and despite being the best racing in the series, it was dire. Tons of empty seats. If that keeps going, you might get your collapse after all.

It may go bust within the decade, Xfinity is going to be on the CW only and the TV license for standard races are in limbo for the next season.

Call me crazy but I still prefer the asphalt sort over dirt track racing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Damn straight

No one gives a crap about that backyard Hee-Haw shit

​@@OccasionalNASCARRacesstay triggered little soy boy 😂

It's cool seeing the increased hype around short track crown jewels, I went to Eldora's Kings Royal race the past 2 years, puts nascar short track racing to shame

The super late models definitely put on more competitive show on average but there's nothing like a great sprint car race in motorsports IMHO

And they don't ban you from wearing certain flags that symbolized the region that the main fan base derives from, I was done then.

I barely even listen to the races anymore, unless it's to fall to sleep to.

I've always like Carl's positive attitude always up beat, he has a lot of character. I'd go as far as calling Carl an honorable man.

@@Chestickles Carl did the same thing to Keselowski after the Talladega crash, and then proceeded to bully him for the next two years.

@@Chestickles Carl can rot in hell for all eternity for all I care. He's about as honorable as the France family, iow a 2 faced lying sack of excrement.

Carl turned himself across the nose of a car that was already under him.

@@claysauertieg4792Carl was fully aware that he had to block logano there if he wanted to be champion. He knew what was at stake. Would you rather go down swinging or without a fight?

The Kyle Bush broken leg season is what did it for me. You miss half the season, and then NASCAR writes a new rule that says you can miss (Kyle's missing races)+1 races per season. How transparent can you get? I'm getting back into it slowly, but it's hard when you see races where they don't give the teams enough tires. It's hard when they say "the best car and the best strategy and the best driver on Sunday will win", and then the race is decided by whether a random caution comes out 1% sooner or later. That isn't strategy, that's a coin flip. I want to see skill, where the crew chief makes a genuinely brilliant decision on pit strategy to win the race, not where a coin flip determines if you finish first or twentieth. NASCAR seems to be optimizing for the latter.

Agree!

That's what I do June July sometimes August for dirtvision and i get the yearly flo subscription.

He said the Car Of Tomorrow was a mistake.

he about shit himself when Mayfield was brought up

I remember watching a clip of Jrs podcast when Jr asked Brain a question about the COT he immediately smiled like a clown and I was like "oh sh*t! What does that face mean?!"

Being a Yank F1 fan since I was a kid in the early '90s, I must admit that I have never seen a Brit utter such words.😅

Same here, grew up watching. But the downward spiral starting with the chase format has absolutely ruined it's legitimacy and without that it's barely sport anymore, why watch?

Honestly the only one thing there that was actually good was the COT. It was a brilliant idea, it only happened that it was way too wrongly implemented.

NASCAR is what got me into sanctioned motorsports. It is so incredibly sad to see what it is now.

yea i checked out around 07/08

I didn’t have a problem with the COT, apart from the lack of manufacturer identity. It was rough to start with, but it got better as time went on. I hated the wing, but strangely enough, I actually liked the exposed splitter. I’m sure I’m about the only person that liked that part of it. But the best part of it was that the car was safe. I don’t remember any serious injuries once that car was implemented. Not to drivers, anyway.

Gen 4 and the CoT are 2 of the most visually defining vehicles used in NASCARS history If you put an indycar and a formula one car next to each other when I was 10 I couldn't tell them apart, but I knew a NASCAR when I saw one so...good marketing

I'm good with a seven race stretch. You don't want someone to have clinched the championship half way through the season. NASCAR takes it a step too far.

He'd have my vote for sure without a doubt!

No. Good Lord no.

According to Hamlin, in the Gen 6 era NASCAR did the pre-race inspection for the final four a full week before the race and then gave the cars back to the teams with no further inspections. Basically the championship comes down to who cheated best.

Except this year when Chastain won it. But Blaney pretty much backed off and let him get the win since he was already far enough ahead to take the title.

​@@evanwilliams6406seems like a fake storyline to build hype for next year over "wild man ross"

Yeah after a few years of that even I caught on to the act

They all watch these types of videos. They don’t care.

And if we'd stayed with the old system, Jeff Gordon would be a seven-time champion, and he would fit as such a lot better than his teammate.

i disagree with this simply because hendrick would have developed the car differently, they would have actually tried at the end. which is how knaus treated jimmie when the chase was introduced. gordon was outperformed by jimmie in equal equipment, proving he really didnt deserve much more than 4 championships, and jimmie deserved his 7

@@LordBurger as a reminder, Cheat Knaus cheated up a lot of his cars, and was caught on the in car telling Jimmie to crack the back of the car if they won. And of course, Brainless France looked the other way on a lot of stuff.

And how do you felt when the old tur* removed pilot at gun point because they wish to live? I can't understand how someone could love something as evil as Nazicar

Flo is incredible, it is expensive but the value you get for it is insane.

Well enjoy the charter system in Sprint Cars now. Oh you won't complain becuase Larson put it in place, lol

​​@@OccasionalNASCARRacesthere's no guaranteed starting spot with the high limit charters they're about attempting all the races and getting streaming revenue sharing. Apples and oranges

​@@OccasionalNASCARRaceswow all over this page you are striking out, you don't even know what charter means in the context of this series

If it wasn't for a combination of waning love for NASCAR and Covid I would've likely never found all the great dirt tracks in Pennsylvania. It may not scratch the same itch as NASCAR once did, but it's a lovely alternative

It’s going to die the same way too, horrible mismanagement and bruising egos.

Got to bed fam

Yes and that’s what they don’t get. NASCAR is WWE with cars.

Except people actually watch WWE

That's an insult to WWE.

WWE is supposed to be more like theatre. The fans understand that and want the story to be embellished or fictional. It works there. It doesn't work here, and nobody wants it.

YES then they WOKE the hell out of it and it was too much for me, done with it, could care less if it exists anymore and I never missed a race... NOW I will leave an area where a race is on be it a res truant or a relatives house..

Hello Vulkan! Y'all in Europe has a minor league of NASCAR and that's the NASCAR Euro Series like a sorta division 4 series and they have other international series in Mexico, Canada and now the newly formed Brazil Sprint series and I've watch a couple race clips of the Euro Series here on YT a couple times just to see what it's like and they run on some incredible unique road courses in Europe that I didn't knew about! All I know is the tracks that F1 uses and including Nurburgring and Le Mans. Heck I didn't even know some of the tracks the NASCAR Euro series they raced is unfamiliar to me but on Brands Hatch in England that one sounds very familiar...

@@Mister_Matt_X I mean, sure, there are stock car series' in Europe too but we don't really have any oval tracks nor the history.

​@@VulkanNeckPunch well, there's the Lausitzring that hosted the German round of CART.

@@thehwguy4293 True and I have watched quite a few DTM races for example run on the road course on the infield of the tri-oval. However, one oval track does not an oval series make. Quite a tragic track too claiming the life of Michele Alboreto and the legs of Alex Zanardi.

@@thehwguy4293 Lausitzring oval has and will never be used again, too dangerous.

Exactly

Exactly, it has expanded my taste to short track, Indycar, IMSA and occasionally F1, all because I can barely take the sport seriously anymore!

What flo racing is doing for dirt track racing is pretty cool

winged sprint cars and dirt late models are entering into a golden era thanks to streaming

410 sprint cars are really better, should be more popular people just haven't been exposed to them

Saying Bill France Jr had no vision is an absolute insult

⁠@@oliveiradmdiogoAgree. Under Bill Jr is when we got things like flag to flag national coverage, a consistent points system and a steady pattern of realistic growth. Bill Jr may not have been a visionary, but he kept the train moving on an upward trajectory. He had his finger on the pulse of the fans as well as the drivers and kept things pretty well balanced.

A snobbish, insufferable rich family at that

@@zlinedavid agree. The way Nascar was valued is proof of a good vision.

That’s kind of an insult to wet towels. At least they start to grow mold and fungus eventually.

I will defend the money system. It happens in every sport. You have to be good, athletic, smart, sure, but you also have to be able to afford the summer training camps in middle and high school, you have to play on club teams, move to a city with the good teams so you get good coaching, you have to be able to afford to do a hobby instead of getting a job in high school. To be the best of the best, you've always needed money. And when the sport requires a million dollar car and a billion dollar racetrack, that money pot required to get really good is going to be a lot larger than for a sport where you can get started with a few sticks, a dirt field, and a 10 dollar ball.

Kyle Bush said this sentiment in an interview when asked about a (specific) driver's talent. I forget if whom he was speaking, but "If he's got $6 mil, he's driving".

@phillyphakename1255 lots of poor kids still make it in the nfl, no clue what you are talking about. And you didn't defend anything you just said "it is what it is"

*Current generation of Frances. That shouldn’t diminish what Big Bill and Bill Jr accomplished.

I dont think Nascars leaders have discovered the internet yet.

@@utjason8they’re probably still running moonshine/alcohol like it’s the most illegal substance around… then getting frisky with the cousin because there’s not much else to do on a hot summers day

2017 is a good pick for that

@@thicccheese4007 r/rareinsults

Gordon would have had 7 if not for stupid playoffs 🤬

on the old points system we are not exempt from a Blaney or Crafton situation. Look at Kenseth in 2003, the reason many asked for the chase in the first place. He won once in the season, was champion before the finale (the last fall Rockingham race), while Ryan Newman won 6 times and we had other muli time winners as well. Austin Dillon in 2013 Xfinity as well, won the title with no wins during the year. It was a season long format. The solution to this is not only coming back to the old point system (season long count), but also making points a limited resource. Like, in a field of 40, only 15 get points.

1992 was a great year all around. Just watched The Winston race again a few weeks ago. Atlanta had lots going on.. Bill won the race but lost the championship. Petty's last race and Gordon's first. Last owner/driver to win the championship. Remember watching that race live.

Agreed. People look at F1 seasons like 2008, 2012, and 2021 fondly. Sometimes a boring season like 2023 happens. We will look back on it the same way we regarded Schumacher at his peak: an Amazing driver matched with an amazing car.

​@@hornetguy9063The 2023 season is memorable in it's own right. 19 race wins and clinching the constructor's title single handedly is an accomplishment on its own. Sure, you'd like a closer field, but there's no doubt about the fact that Max did everything he was supposed to do and then some.

Part of why I think NASCAR's game 7 moment philosophy is stupid. Because even in the stick and ball sports that use the best of 7 format such "game 7 moments" don't happen all that often because often times game 7 dos not happen and the series ends with a 4 - 0 blowout or in 5 or 6 games play.

The 1992 Hooters 500 WAS the LAST real NASCAR race it's all been downhill since then.

Yet strangely Harvick didn’t say that or complained otherwise when he won the Cup in 2014.

Fix the GD point system So 1st should be 50 points 2nd 25 points 3rd 15 points 4th 10 points 5th 9 points 6th 7 points 7th 6 points 8th 5 points 9th 4 points 10th 3 points Then 11th 2 points Then 12th on back is 1 point for finishing DNF’s no points Most laps led is 11 Bonus points 2nd most 7 Bonus points Leading a lap is 5 Bonus points That way You can go all out for Wins and if you’re Winning then you can blow a couple engines & a couple wrecks and still be in the Top few spots It will make it so that Winning is worth going all out But 2nd is still worth enough more than the rest not to wreck Yourself going for a W That’s how it needs to be done Telling You The Top Winners and The Best avg finishers if in the top 3-5 consistently they will all be in contention coming done to the end of the season.

​@@wolfgangvan-uber6515 I'm sure he would've been willing to give it to Jeff Gordon, the man who should've been champion that year, if he was able to get the 4, possibly 5 that he should have. I mean, what would you rather have: 1 title, or 4? If your answer is 1, you're going to need to get yourself checked for brain damage. Also, nobody is going to bad mouth a format they're benefitting from. Notice how Jimmie Johnson stopped criticizing the Chase when he started winning those championships. Or Tony Stewart actually called out a reporter when told that Jeff Gordon would've been leading the points at that point under the old format... when Smoke was the points leader and just won at Kansas. The only time a points format was ever criticized by the champion was in 1985 when Darrell Waltrip complained about the Winston Cup format not awarding winning enough. To DW's credit, he did lose the '79 championship because of that factor, and that has been a criticism even the people who want the Latford Winston Cup format back have made, but still, benefitting will tend to make you abide to a double standard.

@@CSDonohue11 I think 5 for leading a lap is too much, 3 works better. I don't think 0 for DNFs is a good idea either, after 20th it should all be 1 point that way the damaged cars stay off the track. To prevent start and parks, they are only eligible for the point if they complete X number of laps.

@@slwsnowman4038 look, I'm not in favor of nascar meddling into affairs more than you or anyone. But to prevent damaged cars getting back, they should set a standard and throw the black flag if push comes to shove. It's ridiculous to see a guy with no pace coming back for points and many laps down. After some level of damage anyone know that it's time to sell the parts for scraps. I think points should be a limited resource. Not for everyone.

I know they've said they want to always have the "game 7 moment" but its incredibly stupid because ACTUAL GAME 7S ARENT EVEN GUARANTEED, THE RANGERS FUCKING SMOKED THE DIAMONDBACKS IN 5, THE KNIGHTS SMOKED THE PANTHERS IN 5, THE NUGGETS SMOKED THE HEAT IN 5. That shit legit just didn't happen, we didn't get any game 7s this year. Its like you get to the World Series and you make them play all 7 games but just give it to whoever gets the last one. Sorry Rangers, you won 6 in a row but the Diamondbacks won game 7 so they're the champions. Like, I'm not saying MLB, NHL, or NBA champions are the most idiotproof completely legitimate systems there are, but I think they're more legit than NASCAR's system.

Watch EllyProduction’s video on the Chase to better understand why NASCAR executives felt the need to change the points system. It was a bad solution but there was at least some reason for it

@@drumnbasssakuga9352 I have watched that video, thanks for the recommendation. Again, whatever reasons were stated I don't feel any of them makes diverting from a season long points system excusable.

It was introduced because NASCAR was at it’s highest point then, and Brian France foolishly thought that he could keep people from watching the NFL by making the fight for the title more “exciting”.

@@alexisborden3191 Game 7 moments are also organic. They aren’t manufactured by the sanctioning body. That’s what makes them special.

problem is they also implemented a playoff format this year. They tried with one race crapshoot now they're trying a four race championship next year.

​@@chromediesel444I'm totally against what they are doing with the points but the racing on dirt late models right now is phenomenal

@chromediesel1806 yeah the lucas oil points system is trash but there's less full time teams in late model racing, alot of the top teams pick and choose between multiple tours and regional events, so it's not a as much as an abomination as the nascar playoff thing, which ruined decades of legitimate history for gimmicks. Lucas oil is just trying to entice more full time teams with the the playoff and increased points payout.

But people still tune into the NFL in record numbers. Sad thing is the NFL can get away with anything because it gives the American people what they want - horrific violence, people beating each other to death.

I think the ratings would say otherwise

@@theamateurobserver that's the frustrating thing. NFL, NBA, MLB have all done the same things Slap points out in this video, and yet their viewership keeps going up, at least in the NFL and NBA case. ESPN keeps promoting the everloving frak out of them and the public keeps buying it.

I second this, series like the CARS Tour put on a good show every week

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man, I'm really curious as a foreigner. But it's very close to impossible for me to see it live. I'll see the highlights. People even mentioned FloRacing, and I've checked out the website. It seems to be an aggregator for all the series mentioned by y'all

@@otaviofrn_adv yeah floracing has pretty much all of it, highly recommend subscribing to it when race season starts. Hopefully one day we'll be able to see it on TV

@@otaviofrn_adv Worth the price and there’s a short track style out there for everyone.

When it's the same engine, same chassis, same body, how can there be any difference in strategy?

@@johnj.baranski6553 Tuning, suspension, tires... there's still a lot of thought that comes with putting out a car that can win.

Exactly. It's funny how as hard as nascar tries they haven't come close to replicating craven/busch harvick/gordon labonte/earnhardt....you'd think with 20 green white checkereds every season we'd have finishes like this every week. It's sad nascar tries so hard to manufacture or manipulate close finishes and they still fail LOL

Yes to more green flag pit stops. Under rated comment.

@@johnj.baranski6553 In-race strategy and in-shop strategy both exist in Nascar. Any race with long green flag runs in the latter portion of the race had fuel mileage strategy - when to pit, how much fuel do we need, how do we optimize our pit stops to get ahead or keep ahead of competition. The fun was seeing it all play out. There's also the things that @sportsjefe mentioned.

Less of a Deuce, and more of a Dunce

I didn't know Ford is still a family-owned business.

@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 FoMoCo was a family RUN business until 1980. If the Ford family wanted to do something it happened. Lee Iacocca had a bit to say about it in his biography, and anywhere else he could vent.

@@markalbert9011 Ah. Thanks for the clarification. I also didn't know about that.

The only other manufacturer that did this is Toyota with Akio Toyoda now as chairman. Luckily Akio himself is a racer hence why we see the rise of Gazoo Racing banners everywhere now.

As do I. I was finished with it after 2018.

Harvick choked.

@@cba_2442 no. Got robbed.

@@cba_2442 there's a difference between "choking" and getting robbed. In this case, Harvick got robbed.

No, they aren't won like Petty & Earnhardt nowadays, but instead won like Johnson. Johnson has won in 3 different formats across his 7 championships, some of thosw created to also stop him from winning more while alas, he did deserved (like 2013) or not (like 2016). He played his cards right & won when it counted. NASCAR will never go back to the full season points system, or not anytime soon at least, and the sooner that gets through people's heads the less stressed & angry people will be. I will agree though that the 1 race championship format has to change & like Dale Jr's last 3 race finale or even revert back to the 2011 Chase points system.

I grew up in a national league with playoffs for a long time. Have nothing against, but tend to agree more to your Premier League argument. Everyone face each other home and away, find a way. What breaks the PL is them letting Man City slide with all irregularities and no rules applied by them in the financial aspect. My ideal would be the way they do it in Italy. If the top 2 ends the season with less than three points separating them, they play each other in a neutral site in a final match. F1 had shady stuff, especially Ferrari's team game when they dominate. This is the stuff that needs to be banned at all costs by all parts. Any code or mention for dirty teamwork (like Ferrari in Austria 2002 or Germany 2010) should be punished heavily. But Ferrari holds the gun in FIA's head. If the rules are not what Ferrari wants, they know that they can leave F1 and the damage would be too serious to salvage it.

@@otaviofrn_adv Ferrari are rarely dominant, that only happens with lightning in a bottle, the vast majority of time they are dogshit. It's always been this way.

​​​@@otaviofrn_advFerrari aren't that dominant though. Yes, they were dominant back in the 00s but it was because most of the team personnel aren't coming from Ferrari themselves, rather they're a selection of people from the Big 3 (Todt, Brawn, & Schumacher). The most dominant Ferrari team wasn't lead, designed, & driven by the Italian side of Ferrari. Considering how long they are in the sport, most of the time Ferrari is pretty much like what they are today. They're one of the top teams but nowhere near the top spot.

F1 absolutely has their gimmicks and cracks in the dam. The Drag Reduction System (DRS), the recent introduction of Sprint races, hell, the end of the 2021 season was a shitshow that was basically decided by the race director (who was under pressure from all teams, F1 management, etc, but still). People are actively decrying how bad it is for the sport to have one driver dominate the whole season

Both F1 and EPL have their own problems with sport manipulation though...just not as bad as NASCAR.

I guess you could say NASCAR needs to get S1apped.

Thank you France family for destroying NASCAR each and every year ever since 2004.

I always felt one of the cool things about NASCAR in the 1990’s and 2000’s was when an unexpected driver would win a race especially late in the season when they were only racing for pride. Johnny Benson, Ricky Craven, John Andretti, Jerry Nadeau among others winning a race seemed like a nice change of pace from Gordon, Johnson, Earnhardt, etc. winning every week. Since the playoffs started especially it seems like everyone outside of the playoffs just seems to hang out, and not get in anyone’s way. You never see the driver who is 23rd in points going for a win at say Texas or Martinsville in late October/ November anymore. I hate that drivers after winning a race only talk about making the playoffs or getting more playoff points. I miss winning for the sake of winning

Let’s Fix the GD point system So 1st should be 50 points 2nd 25 points 3rd 15 points 4th 10 points 5th 9 points 6th 7 points 7th 6 points 8th 5 points 9th 4 points 10th 3 points Then 11th 2 points Then 12th on back is 1 point for finishing DNF’s no points Most laps led is 11 Bonus points 2nd most laps led is 7 Bonus points Leading a lap is 5 Bonus points That way You can go all out for Wins and if you’re Winning then you can blow a couple engines & a couple wrecks and still be in the Top few spots It will make it so that Winning is worth going all out But 2nd is still worth enough more than the rest not to wreck Yourself going for a W That’s how it needs to be done Telling You The Top Winners and The Best avg finishers if in the top 3-5 consistently they will all be in contention coming done to the end of the season.

Also 18:31 Dude wth is this ???!! Did weirdo just wipe the drivers mouth ?! 🤨 😳 WTH is going on around there 🤨 Weird

@@CSDonohue11 Here is what my points system looks like: Winning a race: 250 points 2nd to 5th: 200 points, going down by 10 points per position 6th to 10th: 150 points, going down by 5 points per position 11th to 43rd: 120 points, going down by 3 points per position Winning the pole: 5 points Leading a lap: 5 points (except for the last lap) Leading the most laps: 10 points (5 points for leading a lap and 5 for leading the most laps) Finishing on the lead lap: 1 points (except for race winner) No stages or stage points No playoff points (ideally no playoffs either) Ideally no charters or significantly less charters (like top 20 in points from previous year, or max 2 per organization or something) The gap between 1st and 2nd is big enough that going for a win is worth it. There is a 20 point gap between 5th and 6th, and a 10 point gap between 10th and 11th. These gaps represent that finishing top 5 or top 10 is an important achievement and more important than finishing 11th or below. Finishing 43rd gets you 24 points which means there is a 226 point gap between 1st and 43rd (or a 217 point gap to 40th with the current amount of cars), which is a significant amount which punishes a poor finish for a championship contender. Also 24 points (or 33) is a large enough gap that not qualifying for a race is also punished. Fastest 43 (or 40) cars qualify (limited charters may affect this). It doesn't matter if you are leading the points, you wreck in qualifying without a charter, good luck next week! Winning the pole should matter. Leading a lap should matter. Leading the most laps should matter. Also the point for finishing on the lead lap may cause more excitement as drivers may be less inclined to just pull over for the leaders, even late in the race when there is a battle for the win. This system would reward winning as well as reward consistency. If you go back to the 1990's and early 2000's, the championship winner almost always finished in the top 5 each week, and a bad week would be something like a 15th place finish. This way a driver hypothetically couldn't win say 15 races in a year, and have 10 DNF's and still be a championship contender. Consistency matters more than outright winning. Also the less charters should open the field up for more organizations to compete in Cup, and would make for a more competitive field of drivers which would benefit the fans and add potential owners like Dale Earnhardt Jr. which would increase NASCAR's popularity.

Not to mention, it's hurt NASCAR's ratings. NASCAR's pride is hurting them so much that they actually have to tell people that their attendance numbers have gone up... Despite never recording those numbers.

Everybody just wants moments. Every play a highlight. It devalues them all.

You know it's bad, when people prefer max verstappen dominance after this jeez

A figure-8 circuit (with a bridge/tunnel setup, not a level crossing) actually would be pretty neat as a gimmick track. Having Turns 1 and 2 be clockwise while turns 3 and 4 are widdershins could lead to some interesting racing as the inner and outer lanes swap back and forth. You get the speed of an oval and the dynamics of a road course.

​@@alaeriia01eight bowl speedway from NR 2003. I've done it for fun a few times, and indeed, a non-contact figure 8 circuit provide unusually tense and fast racing.

@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 I thought so!

the entire 2011 championship when Tony Stewart cheated on the restarts

If you say 16 flaws, I'll agree with you. 🤣🤣

@@GregBrownsWorldORacing 16 flaws? That’s too small😂

​@@GregBrownsWorldORacingevery flaw with NASCAR: -playoffs -charter System -officiating -yellow line rule -weakness to taking criticism -Gen 7 safety -weak/lack of punishments for intentional wrecks -field limit being shortened from 43 to 40 -the fanbase -Texas -The Xfinity series -half of the truck series field -pay drivers -goodyear -coverage (NBC and Fox are both bad) -Jim Utter still having a job -Leeching -promoting awful on track behavior from drivers -allowing Sean Hingorani to do races -destroying ARCA And many more.

You got that right he's definitely on FIRE!!! Lighting up the sanctioning body like a bunch of candle sticks with straight up FACTS!!!

I believe it. I sat at the breaking point for Turn 1 at Long Beach 2002.

I’m 18 and have been watching NASCAR since I was young. I can say first hand that we aren’t bringing enough to the sport and running off people like my grandparents who inspired my love for the sport isn’t helping you. I was blind to all of these issues as I didn’t know better and that’s what NASCAR is trying to take advantage of. I would like to see some major changes but like everyone else says it’s very likely never going to happen.

@@BunnyMobile. I, like you, started watching Nascar at a very young age. I'm sure the older fans at the time had some grumblings that had happened in the 70's and early 80's before I had started watching (1984 was my first year watch nearly all the races). I appreciate that you have interest in Nascar history and recognize that Nascar is obviously going in the wrong direction with many things. As a conversation starter, I'd be interested to know what changes you would like to see or have seen and don't like.

@@highoctanecards Have seen, not much I never really dove into stuff like this until I found EmpLemon,SlapShoes, and EllyProductions. Things I think would be cool to see just as I have talked to my dad some is more unique tracks, maybe full on dirt tracks and not just a changed Bristol. And speaking of Bristol bring back the underglow that was cool and unique. And I think something my dad suggested race some tracks backwards. Imagine how different something like Daytona would be going the opposite direction on the track. I’m sure some modifications to walls and openings would have to be made. But if that’s to much use a road course and go backwards. Or at the least change the course at least every 3 years. Playoff format is cool but I would like to see the old season long format back for that was before my time. And stop having the championship at F-ing phoenix that track is so boring. I think the most exciting track for a championship would definitely be Martinsville

@@BunnyMobile. I would also like to see an actual dirt track, Eldora, Knoxville etc. Running in the opposite direction would be way too dangerous as the driver would be too close to the wall. I know that racing is naturally a dangerous sport, that would increase injury chances tremendously. I encourage you to watch a few different season finales from past years that were pre chase/playoff era. A few that I would recommend are the years of; 1992, 1988, 1995 and 1996. Each of these years had very different storylines and the presentation was nicely done. There are also several races from the 80's and 90's with plenty of excitement throughout the entire race. I like the GWC rule to help ensure a green flag finish. The out of bounds at the speedways I also like, though it has been the cause of many wrecks. It will be interesting to see what 2024 brings.

@@highoctanecards Appreciate the recommendations I’ll check out the old races those are always good, I’m excited for next year as long as at least the all star race is done better 🤦🏻‍♂️

Agree. Once they hit about the 10th race of the year, I started not only watching my favorite drivers (Kulwicki/Gordon), but where they were in relation to the drivers just in front or just behind them jn the points chase. It became kind of a race within a race. The thing with that was…even if my guy didn’t win, it was just as good if for example, Gordon finished 4th but Earnhardt finished 10th. Didn’t win, but made progress towards that championship.

@@zlinedavid Exactly! And along those lines, there was nothing else in sports quite like a day when the overall points leader ran into trouble (either via crash or mechanical issues). Every other fanbase knew they were going to pick up major ground that day with even a decent finish. The level of excitement in the crowd was palpable! Now, if the point leader runs into the trouble in a spring or summer race, it's just a big "whatever, see what happens with them next week" type of vibe. It's just become so hollow!

@@MatthewGross87 That was exactly the setup for 1992. Bill Elliott had mechanical problems coming down the stretch at both Charlotte and Phoenix, while Davey and Alan ran very strong. Davey won at Phoenix which gave him the lead going to Atlanta and….well anyone that even remotely follows NASCAR knows what happened from there.

@@zlinedavid Perfect example! With the season long Cup battle, you're not guaranteed a final race where the championship is hanging in the balance, but when you do get it, it means so, so much more! The level of drama is so much greater that even decades later, we all remember what happened. The manufactured thing they have now just do that because everybody knows we didn't arrive at that point naturally throughout an entire season's body of work. I just wish the folks who run NASCAR would realize that.

@@zlinedavid That's how I watched the seasons back then.

Check out dirt racing it's easier to watch the national tours now with streaming. Floracing and Dirtvision are the two streaming companies