The NASCAR Playoffs are Worse than You Thought 

so does Twisted Metal

ha ha ha!!!

Shots fired.

yes

The amount of times I've tied on points with Peach is insane. When the AI have the measure of you MK championship fights can be nail-biters.

Two of the most iconic wins in NASCAR: Dale Sr's 1998 Daytona 500 and Dale Jr's 2001 Pepsi 400, both had virtually 0 championship implications.

I think Rick Allen said it best (oh god, never thought I'd say that sentence!) when Harvick was about to be eliminated at Martinsville. "Wins don't mean a thing." That told me right there Nascar traded it's sport's legitimacy card in for a TV entertainment card.

@@TheJudoJoker Sure, but the year's champion's position in that race still contributed something to their year-end points.The only reason that Dale Sr's Daytona 500 win had little points implication is because, well, it's the first race of the season. They still have 32 races to go. Not all races will have a points implication. But I'd rather 5 or 6 races be not important over 2/3 of the entire season. As for Jr's Pepsi 400 win, sure, Jeff Gordon's 37th place finish would not have affected his drive for the championship all that much, but because Jeff Gordon had already won earlier in the year, it would've been far, FAR less important than had it occured under the playoff's format. At least under the Winston points system it would've been an encouragement to do better because he couldn't be consistently finish like this. Under the playoff system, he wouldn't bat an eye. He could just sand bag until the final 10 races.

The only time winning matters is in the last 4 races if you're among the eight drivers (22.22% of the chartered field mind you) still in the playoffs. You can just points your way into the round 8, win one race in that round, then go on to win the championship at the seasons end. If you win 10 races before then, you get 50 bonus points. But if you don't win a race and all the winners of that round are playoff drivers, if you aren't the points leader because of mediocre performances, you're screwed. Harvick who had a season on par with Jeff Gordon in the 90s didn't even get a CHANCE to win the championship at Phoenix. Out of protest, when the playoffs start, I don't watch the races anymore because it's all the news crew talks about is this stupid format. I just wanna watch a race and all I care about is who wins that day. The only time I ever care about championships are in the final few races if it's a dead heat, (assuming it's in a format where a dead heat is not guaranteed like in this format).

@@BacsCruise Except Rick Allen is an idiot and wins mean everything. Wins are why Logano and Elliott advanced and Harvick didn't.

unless the leadership changes

This could also happen in NASCAR You can win the first 35 races of the NASCAR season putting on a clinic and taking some records, and you finish second in the final race, you should be champion, your points total is massive, but you don’t win the championship, the guy that won the race who was also probably in the top 4, is champion, that would the biggest slap in the face

@@Ob1tuber and this is what pushed me to F1, DTM, GT, WEC & other series. NASCAR screwed themselves.

@@darthandeddeu Same.

There would be a Riot of F1 Fans screaming at the FIA

I'm so glad Indycar doesn't do the chase or playoffs. Every year it comes down to the wire without it. This year 3 people were in contention at the last race.

And we also need the voice of the people.

I would love to see that points system when the Cup Series runs at Cleveland on a summer afternoon

Or, referencing an old Domino's commercial with Jr and Mikey, "The 'KING DADDY' of NASCAR."

Let's start a coup.

@@Busch22Fan No, he's the Czar of NASCAR

after watching this multiple times I can say it's very possible

@Ridiculing Fools The only people who hate the playoffs are dispshits who don't understand how it works.

@Ridiculing Foolsyou described this perfectly.

Not really

No, never liked this points system and then Kyle Busch didn’t race half the season and became champion.

Absolute farce. Let alone due to that rain wreck at the Daytona finale because NASCAR decided to ignore the radar

AND THEN FRIGGEN AUSTIN DILLON WHO KNOCKED HIM OUT DOES ABSOLUTE SQUAT IN THE PLAYOFFS WHILE TRUEX ALMOST WINS A FEW RACES

When nothing matters and the title is wrapped up and you still have two months left in the season, then it's broke.

I mean, Bill Jr. fixed a lot of unbroken things too. I don't know why he keeps getting a pass, he set NASCAR on this course in the 1970s.

@Austin Weston Well yeah, Brian France deserves a ton of blame. I just don't think Bill Jr. should get a pass.

Brian France in a nutshell: If it ain’t broke, bash the shit out of it with a sledgehammer until it is.

@@scjacket611 no that's just how it happens sometimes. I don't understand these new fans. If a guy dominates a race then we got to change the whole arrow package and get rid of that track the guy wins the championship and wraps it up two races early when we got to scrap the whole point system. Do you watch other sports? If the Buffalo bills blow out the New York Jets does the NFL have to change the entire game football so that doesn't happen again? Sometimes people just win big that's how real sports work. If you want to see a scripted nail biter every week watch WWF wrestling.

What a jerk. He didn't even win.

@Woobiecrew he is now delivering one of the most consistent seasons ever

Well they had one, and fans literally complained about it.

F1 RULES!!🏎️

imagine if Sir Lewis Hamilton would go to Nascar in 2022

@@juulinator9100 He’d never win

@@juulinator9100 I want Grosjean to race in nascar and have Will Ferrel be a commentator. Nothing like a French F1 driver in Nascar

I was about to say.

Worst part is that I think that that points format has given us closer finishes than the playoffs

@@pepkoko2229 To be fair that's mainly because there's not that many races and not that many points available

As a Mario kart 8 Pro I agree completely. Has Anyone tried to do a VS race with all 48 tracks on the game and have a fierce points battle? Lord knows few people have done it.

@@charlespetersonjr1994 have you played Mario Kart without the power ups? Well for me I’m still trying to test that out on the Wii to see how many points I get by trying to win every race possible. Now I can hear in the reply’s to me asking “Why stick with the Wii?” turns out I’m not ready to try the new games yet but I’ve tried Mario Kart 8 on the Nintendo Switch at the local Target... yea I know it sounds lame...

@@Mister_Matt_X 8 is awesome. Very fun

Except it makes no sense at all. The old points system literally encouraged drivers taking it easy and stroking for points. The new system encourages the opposite. Yet, he falsely claims the antithesis of this exists.

I'm not a huge fan of pole being worth the same number of points as leading a lap, though. Make pole worth 10 points.

I've seen Jr back WAY off at Daytona as to get out of the pack racing to avoid the big one. He finished 20th. On his radio while he was doing this, he was caught saying "why? I already got my win". That ain't racing. Saw Johnson back way off. So his teammate could get the win so teammate could get in the chase. Johnson was already in. That ain't racing. And as I said, the 18 car missed one third of the season and still won the championship. Impossible, but that's today's Nascar. A joke.

@@alfonsagelwei5280 well I'ma about to test it in a nascar game to see if it's possible to miss half the season and still won the championship in thunder 03 Ill get back at ya when I'm done k?

Ben Gunby then weight wins more. F1 uses a year round point system and it’s doing just fine. So does super formula, V8 supercars, IndyCar, and basically every other code of Motorsport. The current point system is a gimmicky mess that’s totally devalued the cup.

id stick to f1 if I were you till nascar pulls some miracle and brings back its old ways again. I suggest you watch some classic races, that was when the sport was at its best (1990s early 2000's)

That’s exactly what happens. It happened to harvick in 2020.

dude same this is my first year well it was 2020 part 2 but i almost exploded trying to understand the playoffs so much things were happening at once but the fact that denny hamlin was so close doing JUST THAT (like how did larson not get in front of points not really a fan of cause wellllll you know hehe 2020 incident) but he made to the 4 with 2 wins i respect it

There’s been f1 seasons where the winner won less races than 2nd

@@mike04574 ok and?

Agreed. Much as I love Kurt Busch, he did not deserve the 04 championship.

It only works when the entire league plays each other an equal amount of times and you can do that in smaller leagues. The NFL, MLB, NBA and now the MLS are so bloated that playing everyone in one season, the same amount of times is not possible. That's where playoffs come in and the only time when they are necessary.

@@kylefunderburk4194 MLB and NBA play enough games to do a points system but yeah. I'm sure geography and travel, tradition and other factors play into why they don't do that tho

@@chrisfloyd7316 With baseball, all you need to know is that the MLB has two leagues instead of conferences. Even though they are essentially just conferences, MLB wants to create an illusion that the leagues are separate. So NL teams don't play every AL team, even though they easily could. But I think that adds to the MLBs charm.

@@kylefunderburk4194 True; it's a bit easier for Seven's Rugby because they play multiple games a day, and up to twelve per tournament. Every team shows up and plays on the same field for 12 weekends per year.

@@kylefunderburk4194 MLB before 1968 and interleague play literally did this, lol. everyone in the NL/AL played everyone within their league exactly 22 times and whoever won the most games won the pennant and played a WS. baseball switched to the division system for the same reason nascar switched to the playoffs: entertainment!

The stage cautions make things really boring. For instance, in Heat, if you can manage to keep the tires on the truck, you can get easy one or sometimes two lap leads depending on the track. Then there's a stage caution to trap them all laps down, while you pit under yellow and everyone else had to take the wave around or free pass. This makes the second stage even worse as you can get top 10 drivers stuck 3 laps down. Making stage 3 an absolute snoozer.

@@shutyamouf2 And all the competition cautions are annoying enough. Makes it hard to watch live.

that said 2021 was also made by shit rulings

The difference between motorsport and Traditional sports (football, basketball, Soccer etc) is that those are team sports. If there's a really bad tackle and your best player gets knocked out, it sucks but you can still win. It's always possible to overcome a substantial amount of bad fortune and have your team win until the final minutes of a game. More so in soccer, since games rarely go beyond a 2 goal deficit. Meaning thar there's always at least some hope of an equalizer, unlike its just an absolute demolition. Which isn't the point. Now, in motorsport, you could be leading the race by miles and have one mistake that ends your whole race. NASCAR is particularly rife for this, since fans care more about the drivers than a team. In F1, if Ferrari lose one driver, the tifosi just turn to the other guy. And, NASCAR has a greater chance of not finishing a race due to someone else's mistake because of how close the racing is. Of All sports, I would argue that NASCAR is *THE WORST* one to have this format. Except for something like the Tour de France.

I wonder where the hell that guy who was shilling the playoff format all over the comments in this video was when that went down.

​@@sulphurous2656maybe he died of boredom watching the last two seasons of F1

I watch F1, They don't award a Bonus Point for being on Pole

F1 dont give any award for pole, but its alot easier to win if you have pole and a good start as passing is less frequent and harder in formula 1

F1 doesn't give points for pole. Maybe you're confusing it with fastest lap in race? They give 1 extra point for that (if you finish in the top 10)

@@antonioakiki3716 Well that's the same thing in NASCAR; especially with the current package. Except on Superspeedways/Restrictor Plate Tracks.

nascar started giving bonus points for sucking a pole when they started the playoffs

It made all of us hurt. At least we still have IROC.

Dude it pains me to this day how little accolades mark Martin ended his career with, given his talent level. It’s brutal to think he has no major “moments”, yet Trevor Bayne has a Daytona 500 trophy

Matt is one of a kind if he was still racing I would have to watch.

When he said "...AND Mark Martin, UGH!" I felt that.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

Yes, racism, sexism, and outlaw law breaking. Definitely should have clung to those things.

@@scjacket611 those things sure but just talking about the actual structure of the competition they’ve totally fucked with it and ruined the point of 60% of the season, and made the scoring overly complex

@@scjacket611 Why am I not surprised one posting with such arrogance, venom and temper all over the comments section of this video would eventually bring up something like this to give them a moral high ground to their argument for current modernity...

@@Jimaybob No, sweetie, you're just too dumb to understand the format. The entire season still matters. If you can't figure that out, I'm done helping people like you.

@@sulphurous2656 Awwwww, you really wanna protect your right to racism, huh?

That was a great game!!! Great moment.

Playoffs are just so stupid. It manufactured excitement created by Americans, it can't compare to a legitimate title clincher like that moment

@@LG_XD I mean, it isn't manufactured by Americans, bud - the FIFA World Cup has the exact same format. A series of qualifiers, two sets in fact due to the qualifiers for the tournament itself and then the group stages, before you get to a playoff elimination bracket where the best team in those elimination games is the champion, not the best team of the entire tournament who could be knocked out by a freak performance in the quarter-finals leaving just a bunch of effective no-names in the running to win the entire competition. It even has the stupidity of an automatic bye being handed out to every hosting nation and the previous winner, meaning that those teams do not need to worry about hurting their potential team just to qualify for the tournament. All of these things are artefacts of a time prior to justify things, but these days with the sanctioning body of FIFA having rotated the World Cup hosting rights to just about whoever can be bothered to put a pitch in for the damn thing it leaves some things to be desired. Due to the way the World Cup is played, it allows teams who barely qualified by the skin of their teeth (or as the hosts manage to avoid that issue) to make a gutsy 2nd place position, again through the skin of their teeth, in the group stages to go onto the elimination rounds; and then if they get lucky and manage to take every game to penalties, a position which makes things even more arbitrary and pointless, a relative no-name such as Qatar this year could reach the Finals of the World Cup and somehow win the damn thing. Has it happened yet? No, because Football/Soccer is a team sport that is dominated by the same footballing nations without any kind of "cap" to stop dominant teams from shooting ahead of the pack, and among those nations at least one of them will make the Finals every year without fail due to the number of them that exist, but fundamentally the same potential for a huge upset exists just as it does in the American League sports. Is there a way to change it? Sure - in fact I'm a big fan of the new planned method going forward for 2026 and beyond as it allows various nations to split the bill of hosting the damn thing while both opening up the scene to allow for more nations to compete as well as allowing for less egregiously daft hosts to crop up, but the fact remains that when there are 48 teams competiting at a tournament and four to a potential six+ teams are guaranteed a spot no matter how awful they are in competition, it goes to show that the current format is flawed. Travel time is going to be a huge impact on the 2026 World Cup because it is completely impossible to play games across all three nations without flying to and from stadium cities - and I suspect some upset contenders will emerge late into the competition because those teams will deal with the travel better than otherwise championship-level contenders will manage.

@@LuciferLonseraph you have wrote an entire essay that meant exactly nothing. It mentions the premier league not the world cup lmao

@@LG_XD Yes, the initial response mentioned the Premier League, and then you went out there and claimed that playoffs were invented by the Americans and solely by the Americans because they don't know how to decide what makes a winner a winner, and I disproved it, and now you're backtracking to save face.

Pretty sure covid has something to do with it

@@Sloppyplane37 You think that Covid has an effect on driving down TV viewership?

@@heirofaniu yep the the NFL put up great numbers during this season, and the numbers for the playoffs were massive .

That and Goodell keeps running the league into the ground every year. Hopefully those ratings continue to go down until they get a new commissioner who understands real football.

Part of the problem with that is when the championship is clinched before the year's end... you risk the racing getting boring since people already know they can't win.

@@RabblerouserGT yeah, no.

@@RabblerouserGT Lewis Hamilton clinched the Formula 1 championship a month ago, but there's still damn good racing going on.

@@ekimp252 And what are their ratings in America compared to NASCAR???

@@scjacket611 Do you really care about ratings? I don't, I just want to watch good racing. Whether it's NASCAR, F1 or frigging go-karts.

Do you even know the history behind nascar. Alcohol and fast cars. If you could rope your brother in you had a pit Crüe Richard Petty is my favorite driver. Who is yours.

@@screamingeagles5156 I was kind of making a joke...there are some prominent “traditionalists” in the NASCAR community, and they have a reputation for being troublesome. NASCAR has a great and very interesting history, and I’ve spent countless hours reading it. However, being a “Modern” fan, (2012 casual, 2016 followed closely), my favorite driver is Chris Buescher. I’d seen plenty of potential in him in the National Series, and I want him to be able to prove that potential in Cup.

Great analysis of the current state of NASCAR. Also, thank you for properly referring to the past. After all, five of Richard Petty's trophies are inscribed "Winston Cup Champion!"

@@benbrown2119 Did you mean to reply to this thread?

@@Nc3three yes. Sorry for the comment fall. 🤦‍♂️

I agree with ya on that, stage racing is nothing but BS.

I don’t like the stages, the regular season champion and the playoff format... not only that but NASCAR also uses a five minute rule for crews to work on their cars on pit road that’s ridiculous...

Kyle busch overcame a major injury... he checked off every box nascar told him to. its a little different nascar hasn't been the same since the early 2000s, pretty much when earnhardt senior died

I feel not enough people get the joke. Underappreciated comment

Other person: "Hey that bottle is empty"

Hold my LSPCPD

Brian France: Actually give me that beer back

No shit; need an aspirin my neck hurts...

I didn't even need to start the video and I was saying that.

@@zlinedavid lmao fuck the playoffs

Kevin Harvick would have easily won the championship this year. When playoffs started this year Harvick was like 500 points ahead. (Honestly can't remember)

If my favorite drivers are out of the playoffs why watch? Its the same for all sports for me.

Technically, you could win all 36, and then get DQ'd during post-race inspection in Phoenix

Imagine winning 35, then finishing second to someone and not winning the championship

The only thing I don't like is 5 between each position. I like how Winston format changed the difference as you got lower in finishing position

If anyone is curious, the Winston Cup points format had a 5 point difference for each finisher from 1st - 6th, a 4 point difference from 7th - 11th, then a 3 point difference for 12th - 43rd.

@@doomusrlc I seem to remember the old points being more tricky to figure out as they went down positions. The simplified gap of just 5 points does make it easier to follow along at home. Also really like the idea of no stage break cautions.

@@shawnconder4984 yea I get that. I just prefer the slightly weighted difference as the finishing position got worse. And agreed in stages, no caution and I'm happy

@Owly123 Well yes, but actualy no, in FE there's points for fastest lap AND pole position, while F1 only has for fastest lap

Plus, if NASCAR wanted to incentivise wins, just make the point gap a little bigger between first and second.

It's a great idea. All I would suggest would be one-point intervals and one-point bonuses (for the sake of simplicity), and to remove the fastest lap bonus (since that would be too chaotic for casual fans to track). I also think there should be a way to prevent the second-place finisher from gaining more points than the winner in a race, lest a driver lose a championship despite winning the season finale after entering the race in the points lead (or tied for it).

@@seanconner7932 No system that enables the championship to be decided with multiple races left is a great idea. You can cry all you want about other motorsports, but tell me how their ratings are in the US? If the NASCAR title was wrapped up with multiple races to go, the ratings in the fall would be far worse than they already are.

@@scjacket611 That's not really an apples to apples comparison. You can't just say that because NASCAR ranks ahead of all other motorsports in terms of popularity in the Unites States, that its points system is automatically superior. NASCAR ranked ahead of all other motorsports when it had a full-season points system, the original Chase, and these new playoffs. The points system had absolutely no impact on that ranking whatsoever. But in the final years before NASCAR implemented the Chase in 2004, NASCAR ranked second only to the NFL on the list of the most popular sports in the United States. As NASCAR evolved its championship format chase entertainment while abandoning legitimacy, its popularity tanked.

Eh, I would give the 04 championship to Jimmie under a full season since I don't think Knaus would have run the experimental engine in a full points season that caused the 3 consecitive DNFs.

@@jtpal12 Jimmy abandoned NASCAR for Indy. Fuck im. Take his championships away from him.

@@GeorgePerakis That's a bizarre stance to take. Are we also supposed to take away Tony Stewart's 97 Indycar title for going to NASCAR or Fernando Alonso's 05 and 06 F1 titles for going to WEC?

@@GeorgePerakis that's not how it works lmao. Should we only let people who essentially die for NASCAR keep their wins? Should Michael Jordan have lost his championships when he tried to switch to MLB.

@@jtpal12 are F1 fans supposed to hate Grosjean for going to Indy or hate Jos Verstappen for going to DTM? That reasoning truly is idiotic.

I never knew that.

Exactly petrafied mike. Playoffs aren't the reason. The boring races with these poster boy drivers at the same old cookie-cutter tracks are the reason.

@@kakluver I’d have to disagree on that one The lack of parity with Johnson winning 5 straight certainly didn’t make things look good.

Quasimoto7 and I think a lot of the scorn for the playoff system is rooted in that. He won 7 titles but only achieved the highest average finish in 2 seasons (2006 and 2013). Compare this to Earnhardt (7) and Gordon (6). Gordon also finished top 10 in 59.3% of his career races, compared to 54.5% for Johnson. Basically, Johnson wasn’t even the dominant driver of his era, but thanks to being the best team at gaming the system, was able to rack up “7 championships”

That's another good counter-argument; whether a hardcore veteran spectator like us, as young as I am, or a fresh new patron in the grandstands with no context, we all, more often than not, especially during an event, care far more about what's right in front of us, or immediately before and after the passing moments and laps of a given race.

@@hornetguy9063 Part of me still is impressed plenty by the 7 championships, and still finds _some_ legitimacy in them; his 83 wins speak for themselves a *lot* more, but I don't blame you there; the Chase was *very likely* _far easier_ to game and take advantage for Johnson, Knaus, and crew than no playoffs.

Honestly speaking, when you keep Bringing Up the Latford Points Format. I hate it. It rewards consistency too much. Plus Basically the Entire Field got Points, which I also hate. Thats why I love F1s Points Format, it has a Balance of Wins, Hard Racing, Points, and Consistency. Plus F1 Points have no Bonus Points for Leading Laps, Only Half the Field gets Points, and its Focus is Winning. So Yeah. If I were NASCAR I would overhaul the Points with this, its a Hybrid of F1 Points and the Latford Points Format Here's my Points Format: 1st - 100 2nd - 80 3rd - 65 4th - 55 5th - 45 6th - 40 7th - 35 8th - 30 9th - 25 10th - 20 11th - 18 12th - 16 13th - 14 14th - 12 15th - 11 16th - 10 17th - 9 18th - 8 19th - 7 20th - 6 21st - 5 22nd - 4 23rd - 3 24th - 2 25th - 1 26th and Below get no Points No Bonus Points for Leading Laps, the Goal is to win, and No Stage Points

Hemric even if he won in 2018, he would not have Deserved the Xfinity Title, why because he was Winless, and he truly did not Deserve the 2021 Xfinity Series Title

@@aldouscorozathat’s better than the chase anyway

@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT No F1s Points are Better compared to the Latford Format. Watch nascarman history's Video on NASCARs Points Format and how even the Latford Format was Criticized. Again F1 points > Latford and the Playoffs

@Travis Glanton The Tower Enthusiast No F1s Points are Better compared to the Latford Format. Watch nascarman history's Video on NASCARs Points Format and how even the Latford Format was Criticized. Again F1 points > Latford and the Playoffs

Casuals don't like to see that though. Its exhilarating for us race fans but you have to realize that the playoffs appeal to the masses. The ratings would take the deepest dive ever if somebody won the championship with 5 or 10 races to go.

@@adambroyles9582 I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. The fact that NASCAR was growing as a sport and basically hit it's peak before The Chase and all that nonsense kind of proves that play-offs aren't necessary. F1 is growing like crazy in recent years and it doesn't need play offs. On top of that the English Premier League is the arguably the most widely followed league of any sport in the world and it doesn't use play offs either (Although there are play-offs for promotion from third-sixth in the championship, but it doesn't go in to complete over kill like NASCAR is doing now)

@@adambroyles9582 NASCAR has spent the last 25-30 years chasing the casuals and look where that got them

That's what happends in the European league system, it's not only about the Championship you have battles for Continental Cups and Relegation plus the extra payment of finishing higher on the ladder.

@@ishierrogamer7798 I know I was only using it as an example

NASCAR Twitter: *"The nukes are armed and ready, sir!"*

Shows how wrong reddit and Twitter can be sometimes.. most times..

They defend the Playoffs so hard on Reddit

I actually see more haters of the playoffs than not on reddit.

What Reddit are you looking at? People who defend the playoffs are more often downvoted into oblivion.

Make that 3 pieces then for this video. Jokes.

agree!

He won in 1990 in my book.

@@plantfeeder6677 Richard Childress' crying and moaning over a not-that-important part was the reason why Martin lost the Cup in 1990.

Mark was my driver from the time I started watching in the mid 1990s up until his retirement. I'll always have a soft spot for him.

I agree! No regular season champion, no stages and no playoffs! The regular season champion is so weird in my opinion and when did NASCAR had regular season championships before and when did NASCAR had stages?! Oh yeah I forgot in 2013 Mud Summer Classic truck race at Eldora and it still sucked... These gimmicks NASCAR is doing now is so absurd and I hate the idea that NASCAR makes crew work on the cars in the pits for 5 minutes and when times up they’re out of the race... that’s just ridiculously stupid... I like the old Cup points format it makes more sense... whoever has the most points at the end of the season wins the championship...

And NA$¢AR made sure Kyle won the ¢heapened$hip when he returned, too.

@@williamhorton9763 Lets not forget how many races he won that year.

@@Spooky711B but you have a rule, why not enforce it?

Ned Jarrett won the 1961 championship despite only starting 46/52 races. David Pearson won in 1966 missing 5 races. Rex White missed 4 races on route to his 1960 championship. This is nothing new, it just hasn't happened in the modern era

@@zachhatten261 Yeah NASCAR fans just need something to cry about when it's not their guy.

😔🙏

Hey black flags nice job on Tree’s sportsball bud I had no idea you were into football

@@redhalogaming7581 I saw that tooo!!!

Don't disrespect March Madness Slap, ever again....please....

69 likes *nice*

Yes

Amen to that!

This video: *Gets sent to NASCAR corporate* Mike Helton: Okay, redo this video, and take out anything unrelated to money.

They won't listen

Yes

Yeah. Although something to note: how hard I laughed at 10:18

@Kfir Shoham sorry to be that guy, but no not really Daytona RC: 8th Homestead: 6th Las Vegas: 17th Phoenix : 23rd Atlanta: 19th Bristol Dirt: 12th If this is somehow a joke, let me wallow in my own shame.

@Kfir Shoham your comment ages worse and worse every week Daytona RC: 8th Homestead: 6th Las Vegas: 17th Phoenix: 23rd Atlanta: 19th Bristol Dirt: 12th Martinsville: DNF Richmond: 27th Talladega: 3rd Kansas: 13th Darlington: 27th Dover: 25th COTA: 7th Charlotte: 20th Sonoma: 28th (due to being dumped last turn, wouldve finished in the top 10) Texas: 12th Nashville: 16th Pocono-1: 19th 12/18 (should be 13) top 20 finishes in a mid-pack team.

Yet, here you are.

That's why I said "Had he been passed after that, he would have been the first winless champ"

@@S1apShoes But the guy behind him would have been Harvick........

First winless cup champion yes but Austin Dillon won the xfinity championship one year with 0 wins

What he meant was if harvick got passed as well

@@ballerbeast8283 so a world of stupid assumptions.

If it was worth a championship they would have won a championship. They didn't run well in the playoffs. If you don't show up when it matters, you don't win.

NASCAR is not like other sports. Stop comparing.

Every stupid thing they've done in the last 15 years has shot them in the foot every single time. The Chase was stupid. They even argued that it was going to be a playoff. Now it's openly a playoff system and it's a failure. Then there's the "stage" bullshit. "Oh it harkens back to days of heat races!" Yeah. Annoy hardcore fans who say, "No, it doesn't," and confuse new viewers who don't get either. Just race. Give points for finishes, and be done with it.

He's also being ignorant about the getting lucky once. If you haven't won in the first 35 races, you're not going to be in the final four anyway. He's an idiot with an agenda.

@Kfir Shoham Let me know when a 16 seed makes it to the nascar final four

@@scjacket611 Ryan Newman and Matt Crafton would like to have a word with you.

@@scjacket611 Three times did someone with a double digit seed make the Final 4 and not win. Newman was a #16 and did that in 2014. Gordon did it in 2015 as a #13, and Edwards as a #10 in 2016. 3 out of 7 years of knockouts we’ve had a double digit seed make the final 4. And that doesn’t even include the Round of 8. Kurt Busch, just last year, got to the semifinals as a #15 seed. Blaney got to it in 2018 as a #12, And in 2016, Jimmie Johnson entered the playoffs as an 11th seed and won the whole thing.

@@Nitro55555 okay let's assume that play offs are the superior system just for the sake of argument then why hasn't any other major motor sport picked up the system if it's so amazing

Do you expect them to listen?

@@Nc3three they wont listen to the video, but if dale jr wants something, he usually gets it

no even better, Carl Edwards

Yeah, that moron Penske is now part of something that crowns a champion based on shit luck the last ten races of its season ...instead of who did it best for 36 races.

You didn't stop watching.

Its not happening

Its a shame too. The racing is good but the system is what's keeping it back.

Love your content, man! Really cool seeing the old restored stuff all compiled in one spot.

@@S1apShoes Love your videos too !! Your comment on the viewership drop off for MLB and other sports in 2020 had little to do with formats of play-off's in any sport . Many lost interest in watching sports due to the WOKE movement that was going on . Lets hope politics and opinion are left out this year so many viewers come back . Thanks

@@S1apShoes Good video, while I do agree the NASCAR playoffs are pretty rigged, I still like them and adore the sport in general in my opinion! Been a fan of NASCAR all my life! I hope you respect my opinion even though yes the points system is kinda rigged!

Certainly not a worse idea than one that let a guy finish over two thirds of the season out of the top 5, lead the 10th most laps, and only win once yet still have the title wrapped up and the season meaningless with two months left.

Also no one: "Let's make a championship format which appeases neither entertainment nor integrity."

Oh I've been crying right there with him

It could also be manipulated.

The tide turned and Hendrick fans get a robbery like Ford guys got in 2020. It’s the reason Indycar, F1, etc. fans stand together and point and laugh at Cup racing.

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The world needs more people like you

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Hope you also have a nice day

Thanks man.

Just shrink the schedule to 20 races and award each winner 100 and who ever leads to most laps gets 25 the rest of the field gets 0 and if you want to win the championship you will have to win basically around 80% of the season

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heyo! same here. playoffs are garbage. i've been watching 90's nascar lately.

No. If they did then the entertainment of nascar would drop significantly. NASCAR would actually die

Anything but the Winston format

Yes, I absolutely LOVE when a guy only needs 11 top 5s and can lead the 10th most laps and have a championship wrapped up with two months left. So deserving, and so fun to watch.

@Rugar 22 Yes, it absolutely would. With this rules package, having the title wrapped up in September would lead to absolutely dismal ratings in the fall.

@@scjacket611 that makes no sense. Way more people watched when they had the old system. There is literally proof that people found it more interesting. It's not even close.

BP had more top 10 finishes than cale yarborough that season.

You mean how guys coasted to championships in the old season by simply trying to stay out of trouble? Nobody can afford to coast with this system. Ask Kevin Harvick. One extra stage or race win in the first 34 races and he advances. One less for Kes or Hamlin and they don't. You are just too stupid to understand how this works.

@@scjacket611 you can express your point of view without insulting people

@@simoneburini4036 How about you worry about YOU express your opinion and I'll worry about how I express my point of view, okay sweetie? If calling a spade a spade is an insult, that's not my problem. Don't say ridiculously stupid nonsense, and I won't say you're ridiculously stupid.

Just stop talking at this point. You clearly know nothing about it this sport.

Bold move blaming it on the jews

Based

So truckers ran NASCAR? Some people are so stupid. They're all billionaires running this shit, always has been. Just because it's a blue collar sport doesn't mean the people in charge aren't rich assholes.

The person who wins the championship is the person who deserved it. Maybe you liked when a guy who only finished on the lead lap once all year won a title. Or when a guy who only led the 10th most laps and finished over 2/3 of the races outside of the top 5 won the title. I guess they "deserved" it, huh?

Soooo, you’re telling me a driver who has been running midfield all season deserves to be champion? No logic there at all.

Then you're not a smart human

@@scjacket611 get a grip there, buddy, you're going to be okay.

@@drnoise They've commented about a hundred times on this video but I've yet to see them show an ounce of intelligence. Just lots of making fun of people and starting useless arguments.

@@monstermikeheinrichs lol, yeah I noticed that.

Good....good.....let the hate flow through you.....

Except, there shouldn't be. You play to win the game.

Apparently winning is useless in Winston just ask Ryan Newman

@@OBG791 But you will have people cry about this system for not rewarding winning enough while championing for that one. It's wild.

@@OBG791 Wonder why his 8 wins meant nothing. Oh right...he had 7 DNFs.

@@speedbreaker0234 Consistency is key

I'll take "What NASCAR has spent 15 years and burned countless bridges trying to artificially replicate for $500, Alex."

@Ridiculing Fools That’s exactly it. Imagine going to a magic show and knowing how all the tricks are done beforehand. Same thing applies here. It’s so transparent I’m surprised birds aren’t being killed thinking they can fly through it.

@Ridiculing Fools So they're chasing not having a championship decided before the end of the season, like every other sport in America. WILD.

And neither of those things is as big an advantage as starting each round with more points than their opponents.

The reason playoff systems in sports work is that usually the teams that are the best in the regular season are the best in the playoffs too. It also helps that there are many games in a series, so the best team prevails. But in racing and especially NASCAR that has a lot of parity, the car that's the fastest today might be slow tomorrow. And there are way less variables than racing.

Good. The old fan like you needs to go away for this sport to ever evolve and thrive in the future.

Deconstructing the current points system while making things up that aren't true isn't exactly a deconstruction. Claiming that someone can win just once in the first 26 races and then just ride around the rest of the regular season on cruise control indicates a complete lack of understanding of how it works.

having 36 races in my opinion is too much.

And the thing is, NASCAR is the last sport that should've gone to a segmented format. It's not like you get regular season Texas and playoff Texas, you just get the same Texas twice but one means more. For a playoff to work in NASCAR you would ideally need to increase the difficulty of the track as the year goes on. Now I'm not smart enough to sort ovals by 'difficulty' but I'm sure many people involved in the sport are.

@@sportsjefe No, you don't need to do that. You don't raise the rim in the NBA playoffs to 11 feet, or move the walls back in baseball. This is silly as hell.

@@scjacket611 You're missing my problem (well, one of, but we're not talking about the others) with the current playoff: There's no difference between Spring and Fall [insert track here]. I'm not advocating for altering the current tracks, I'm advocating for altering the schedule to place difficult or more technical tracks in the "playoff". What makes a playoff work in other sports is that the teams a playoff team plays get harder and harder. NASCAR can't do that for obvious reasons, Slap even mentions it when he talks about the fact that teams eliminated from championship contention just... keep racing. So if the field doesn't change, something else has to, other than slapping a label on it that says 'worth more because'. Besides, I'm on team full season points winner.