NASCAR Fan Reacts to the Peugeot 908 HDI-FAP V12 DIESEL 

You enviable - to visit the 24h du Mans is one of my - so far - unfullfilled wishes regarding motorsport events.

@@jorgs.2797 you should go, what an event…just don’t expect to sleep much 😂

​@JON471983 it's definitely an incredible experience. I went in 2015, Porsche 919 vs Audi R18 was a good one though Porsche had the edge. A highlight for me was how dirty the Corvette's sounded compared to everything else. Went to the 2016 classic as well, that's a different kind of special seeing the endless list of rare cars taking to the track.

@@shadybacon3451 I agree the C6's sounded awesome, there was another sound that was unmatched by the diesel P1/P2 cars, the "007" Aston Martin DBR9 V12..i'm sure the announcer said that 2010 was the last time these V12's would race in the 24 heuers du mans. Although I could be wrong. It was also the year that a black GT40 piloted by 3 Swiss ladies burst into flames on the Mulsanne and Nigel Mansell Crashed early on and had to retire. So many memories, I can barely believe it was so long ago!

Peugeot boosted the power output from 1000Nm to 1200Nm without redesigning the crankshaft. That's what caused the failure. Otherwise their engines were reliable on any other day.

I remember going "WTF?!" when I first drove these, the R10 TDI, etc. in Gran Turismo and realized the redline started at like 6,500 rpm...doesn't sound a big deal, but for a diesel...it's bonkers!

The sound part is debatable, surely, Sauber C9 had a damn good sounding twin turbo V8, not as high revving though.

@manne4975 Yeah. I've seen them revving past 5,500 rpm very easily, sometimes above 6,000 rpm as well.

@manne4975 Yeah, it's impressive, specially when we consider they're basically street engines, even if highly tuned.

R8 & r10 werent full mental as the 908,great racing cars with a lot of wins maybe the best audi has ever built but not crazy cars , hell even the r15 & r15+ werent ,the r18 was a crazy one at 1st(till porsche & toyota).Remember how fast the 908 was and only years later Toyota(in a way the evolution version of the 908) was faster,granted not reliable as the audi r8/r10/r15+/ r18 maybe a bit better than only the basic r15.

Peugeot went diesel because the technical regs favored it at the time. And they wanted to sell HDIs. This was peak diesel era, with the dieselization of the european car fleet in full force.

​@@sidewalkere the technical regs favored petrol cars. There just was no manufacturer that spent even close the amount of money on the development of a petrol LMP1 at the time. Audi and Peugeot used Diesel race cars purely for marketing reasons, since most of their road cars were Diesel powered as well.

​@@hannesgroesslinger Has someone who actually wastes time searching the FIA site, downloading and reading that kind of crap, believe me: no they didn't. Now, i'm not claiming to be any kind of expert, just a nerdy motorsport enthusiast, but at the time even the press and commentators opinion was unanimous: even if they were made to level the playing field, diesel had the edge, reg wise. And it was normal, the big dogs wanted to compete with diesel, to sell diesel cars, so they got what they wanted. Once Toyota and Porsche joined with petrol cars, the regs did eventually level out and, well, gasoline is just better for this job.. Then dieselgate happened driving the final nail in that chapters coffin.

@@sidewalkere Yes, when Toyota joined, the regs leveled out. Petrol cars were slowed down, so that Toyota would not run away with it. They were slowed down before the 2012 season started, in anticipation of how strong Toyota might be. Then since Toyota still had a power advantage there was another minor adjustment before the 2013 season. The press and commentators opinions are just opinions, they are not always right. Just look at the hybrid era, when everybody "knew" that the hybrid cars had an advantage. Yet when the hybrid system failed on a Porsche at Spa and on an Audi at Fuji they still were faster than any of the privateer cars, proving that their speed advantage had absolutely nothing to do with the hybrid. Hybrid cars did not have an inherent advantage, and Diesel cars did not have an inherent advantage. Manufacturer teams are just always way faster than privateer teams operating on 5-10% of the budget. In both cases (Diesel vs. Petrol from '06 - '11 and Hybrid vs. Non-Hybrid from '14 - '20) ACO started out with the intention of creating an equal playing field. Whether they ever succeeded in that is difficult to judge. But in both cases they eventually changed to intentionally favoring one rule set over the other, in order to close the gap between manufacturers and privateers. Thats how petrol cars ended up with a technical advantage in 2009 - '11, and how Non-Hybrid cars ended up with a huge advantage from 2016 onwards. There just was never a private team strong enough to make use of that advantage. Besides: When Audi decided to race a Diesel car, the rules for that did not even exist yet. They had to ask ACO to change the rules and allow Diesels. While ACO were working out the details Peugeot decided to join as well. So it is absolutely wrong to say either of them went Diesel because the rules favored it. They both went Diesel long before they knew what the rules would even be.

Great catch, thank you for the Information 🎉

Lol race on Sunday! Vehicle recovery during the week!

no my dear, the redline from all diesel is 5000rpm (or less) because the burning delay from diesel fuel is very slow...if rev over, is the unburned fuel trown out the exaust...

Sir,allow me to disagree on the ,,turbo kick''. It is not the turbo,but the air obturator you have intalled right behind the flowmeter,wich is controlled with a step by step motor by the ECU,wich opens and you feel that ,,kick'' If you don't believe me,try a Megane 2,1.5DCI,wich have free airflow...it pushes you into the chair at 800 rpm and when you shift ,the turbine remains at around 10 000rpm,so a lot a pressure forms in the intake circuit(i tweaked mine to not lower the variable geometry,so it reaches 3 bars) ,so after you shift and push the acceleration...once made a friend of mine with a Porche to stop and raise the hood,he thot it is something wrong with his car,hahaha

​@@leneanderthalienBut the 908 diesels revved upto 8000 rpm, that's a fact.

Nope, none diesel can run up to 6500 rpm because the burning delay from the diesel fuel is very slow, the max RPM for a correct burning is ~5000

They had an equivalence factor, so that the power and fuel range were similar between petrol and Diesel powered cars. That was skewed slightly one way or the other, but for a while the Diesels had the advantage.

Which planet or galaxy are you from? Peugeot and diesel is synonymous.

Black smoke racing

@@SPPhotography89 trucks, not so much in cars

@@jantschierschky3461 its drifding team ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-24afjVqm2Uw.html

@@SPPhotography89 ok, I have no interest in drifting.

And don't forget, that 2009 victory was also a 1-2 finish for Peugeot

It's bit annoing cause enviromentalists used old diesels in their claims and modern diesel is more ecofriendly than modern petrol engines.

@@ilkkak3065 Yes but only if properly maintained, but because our government's think that we are all morons diesels are out of fashion.

I don't think it's allowed to bring a Peugeot to the US as most cars if not all cars sold in Mexico doesn't meet the US safety standards

That is true 🎉

@@automation7295you can’t sell them in the US but you can drive them, I live by the border of New Mexico and Mexico and cars from Mexico cross the border all the time that are weird cars we don’t get 😎🎉 so I’ve been lucky to see some Renaults and Peugeots among others

Coming soon, that video looks hella interesting

The FAP/DPF (Diesel particulate filter) has a further "silencer side-effect" after the turbos.

F1 is not diesel but race gas, it might even still be leaded as is more high octane race gas.

@@bluej511 F1 uses E10 petrol, that’s 10% ethanol unleaded fuel, the octane rating isn’t that high either

*Example please*

@@McLarenMercedes Normally, I would write to you that I am not your tutor. But the answer is too simple... Ju-86 bomber

Is that engine with chain or timing belt? In DeLorean PRV engine is chain and it does not have 24 valves

"but in the WM did the engine produce 910hp and won the 24h endurance race!" FALSE. It recorded the highest ever top speed on the Mulsanne straight. But it did NOT win the race. Fact is it didn't even finish the race and the WM team retired the car once they recorded the top speed. They retired the car after only 59 laps while the *actual winner* of the race the Jaguar XJR-9 managed 394 laps after 24 hours. WM's top speed record was *bragging rights* alone. The WM P88 was *hopeless* around the track and some 26 seconds(!!) slower than the fastest car around a full lap. For the 1988 LeMans 24 Hours there were these qualifying times: 1. Ludwig / Stuck / Bell Porsche 962 C Porsche AG 3:15.640 2. Wollek / Schuppan / van der Merwe Porsche 962 C Porsche AG 3:18.620 4. Brundle / Nielsen Jaguar XJR-9 LM Silk Cut Jaguar 3:21.780 (won the race itself) 36 (!!) Haldi / Raulet / Dorchy WM P88 Peugeot Secateva 3:41.480 Yes, the WM P88 Peugeot qualified almost *26 seconds slower* than the pole sitting Porsche 962 C. So it was nowhere near the front runners at any point of the race. They only cranked up the boost and set-up a low-downforce mode and went for the top speed record on the Mulsanne straight. It's not worth any points or anything so they just used it as bragging rights. Like I said. Here's the WIki entry for the 1988 LeMans and the WM-P88 "A notable piece of history was made in the mid-evening. The WM team was having a poor race; with the second car already out having broken its CV-joint leaving the pit-lane. The new car had been delayed by a number of problems including the cooling, electronics, fuel pump and distributor. With the night cooling down, at 9:30pm they brought the P88 back into the pits for a do-or-die attempt at the speed record. Every space was taped over to minimise sir resistance, and the twin-turbos wound right up to over 900 bhp. Roger Dorchy took the car out, knowing he would only have a couple of laps but he took his chance and was officially clocked at an incredible 405 kp/h (252 mph) on the back straight. And sure enough, the engine, starved of cooling air, blew up - but it was mission accomplished and a place in racing history - the first car to break 400 kp/h at Le Mans." "but in the WM did the engine produce 910hp and won the 24h endurance race!" It did NOT win the race. Don't listen to word-of-mouth on the internet. Check up facts yourself.