great video. I unsubscribed from Bobby’s channel once he uploaded his first nasty boi video. I hated his vlogs and nasty boi. he used to make excellent content but now his content is unbearably awful. I respect you for making this video man.
Oh damn... I also feel that the bisexual story felt too random. Not saying that he is lying, but like he decided to stick it with gum over the all Nasty Boy stuff
ok like obviously i believe him and i dont really care that hes bi, but lmao the first thing i thought when he came out was "omg hes copying shane again"
I think the general consensus is that he's really bi but chose an opportunistic time to come out so he could deflect from other controversies and use it for marketing gains, which is shady.
I had no idea how far downhill Bobby has gone. It's actually really sad. His channel was always in a constant state of identity crisis, but it seems like he nearing rock bottom.
I used to be a fan of Bobby back when he did reviews on films, and his time on brand sins. I stopped watching his videos for a while. I saw that he was friends with Shane, even after his criticizing video of Shane? I dont know. It was weird. He's become everything he was against.
Same! Everyone seems to have met him through him hating on Shane Dawson/being friends with him. His movie reviews used to be super fun. I feel like he hops from niche to niche looking for clout which makes me sad. I don't even know who he really is
I kind of unsubscribed as soon as the whole Nasty boi phase popped up ,I don't know whatever he's going through but I don't care in all honesty he was doing good where he was and now alot of people are just confused.
The Flea I started watching him when he did those videos too, I really loved them. It was genuine and he did goofy skits with his brother. They were being themselves and just having fun. Now I don’t even check his channel because it’s just awful.
i unsubbed immediately when i saw the first nasty boi vid pop up. it was confusing ? i didn't really understand why he would start posting rap videos - especially since his channel before hadn't even hinted he liked that sort of stuff and it really wasn't what i wanted from him ( it didn't help it was so bad)
This is unrelated but that’s a really nice shirt. Also, I must say I highly agree with what you said in this video. I enjoyed it and definitely wouldn’t mind seeing more commentary videos from you.
It sucks to admit it but you've hit the nail right on the head. The part in his coming out vid where he discusses Nasty Boi felt off for some reason and you perfectly articulated what I was feeling. It's a shame, before LA, Bobby was making some pretty entertaining content but I haven't loved a single vid since he moved.
Rud Craven I feel actually that bobby is trying to imitate Shane, I mean: he’s switched over to "documentaries“ , came out as bi (which, solely in my opinion, felt disingenuous) and Shane also used to switch into different characters (if you remember Shane and onion boy were once friends and had a few similarities). Anyways, I feel that after all the backlash he got, he looked for a likeable character and imitated that and well, Shane is on top of the game rn sooo
I agree with everything said in this video and I especially appreciate that the tone of it is nice and friendly towards Bobby rather than sensationalistic and agressive. Something I struggle to understand, though, is why do people care about this guy. And I actually include myself in this question. I do not know why I am still subscribed to his channel. I became aware of him when he started to work with Cinemasins (and funny enough, I don't care for Cinemasins anymore) and always felt he made pretty mediocre content but still had a lot of potential. I just wonder why there are so many videos about him and his fall from grace when I've actually never seen anybody praise his content in the first place. Why care if someone's quality is going down if you didn't really love it in the first place ?
I feel the same way! For some reason I still care about him despite his content letting me down every time he tries out a new genre. I’m still subscribed but I will watch 1/4 of one of his videos if at all.
I understand that a lot. For me, his content was at it's highest level at the time he made the emotional manipulation video, but it felt like he grew a bit too timid when he moved to LA. His content was never "bad", just very safe like he was trying too hard to act more happy. But I still watch his videos, because it's clear to me that he's trying his best to make good content, he seems to be pouring as much heart and passion into his videos as he possibly can and I really want him to succeed. I long for the day when I can say that Bobby Burns has made a truly great video. He needs to find a style that; A) he enjoys B) we enjoy and that C) he is genuinely passionate about. Some content creators find out what that is easier than others. But for whatever reason, Bobby hasn't found out the best style for himself yet and that's fine. If I could say one thing to him, it would be: Keep searching, keep experimenting, you'll find it eventually.
I subscribed to Bobby because his older videos seemed to be made with so much passion, and it always felt so familiar. Like Taylor said it felt like it was one of my friends in the video. His content was relatively frequent and of solid quality, but he just seemed so passionate about making videos and I loved that. Even though I haven't watched his videos in months other than the coming out one I don't want to unsubscribe because I'm kind of hoping he'll go back to making stuff that isn't just vlogs, and show the same Bobby passion ™️ he did before.
theres a movie critique on this channel about teen dramas or coming of age films where taylor talks about why people pick apart films like this so much; because its so close yet missing something vital. we always critique something so much harder if the person almost got it perfect because had they made that chnage it wouldve been amazing. when you someone with so much potential just do nothing with it, it feels wasted and like a lie. i dont think his content was bad during its peak- rather safe but not bad. it couldve easily grown into something great that we couldve all enjoyed. however, it seems to have been thrown away and therefore people get very upset because they put effort and hope into a seemingly lost cause or waste.
bobby’s complete lack of self awareness and integrity is just... disappointing. i genuinely enjoyed his past content. also, as a bisexual person myself it definitely rubs me the wrong way to see him clearly exploiting that... it’s embarrassing... like.. c’mon dude you’re making us look bad
Yeah i know. "i''m bi now so im gonna start wearing makeup and dress in tight emo clothes". If he was already like that its fine, dress and act however you want but it feels like because hes open as bi now he has to start acting and dressing "gay". Its cringey as fuck.
I didn't want to say this before because I really was rooting for Bobby but it's really convenient that both his videos about having a mental breakdown and coming out were done right in the mist of people beginning to criticize him
McLovin McLovin I swear every time someone comes out they try and act stereotypically gay then later realize that’s not them lol (source: 15 year old me and frens)
Exactly - him identify as such honestly makes me feel ill - I don’t want to be associated with what he’s putting out there in anyway, shape or form. Feel like he just saw what Shane was like and is now trying to copy him but without the personality and somewhat entertaining friends.
I used to love his content, then he did a 180° on his subscribers and became what he used to critize. Fame can really change people and sometimes for the worst.
I don't think he'd fit in well in the rap / hip hop community. His music isn't very great to me personally. The voice he puts on seems too forced to be taken seriously and kinda sounds like a poor rip-off / version of musicians like Bones, who have a deeper more gravelly voice and dark themes. He's never really brought up music before either so I can't tell for sure if he's being honest about the whole _music being his ultimate dream_ thing. Though I know his brother does music covers, so it's possible music has truly been involved in his life for a long time and that now is just the time he's decided to express that passion more. The coming out thing seemed like a shield to avoid criticism to me, not saying that he's lying about being bisexual at all, I just mean everything seems so oddly timed.
i don't think he used being bisexuality as a "shield", cause he never really brought it up after that vid. i think it was just something he decided to be open about because i think his music talks about it?? not sure, haven't listened to it except for two songs.
I used to watch his videos but as a lot of people i stoped after shane got involved.. also i think he's just making everything and anything to get attention and more views
I'd almost kind of put some of the responsibility on shane for this. Not to say I think it was intentional, but shane literally uprooted his whole life, bought him a car, and blew his channel up in a crazy way. Shane shouldve known better, if he knew that Bobby had mental health problems prior to this. I can understand wanting the best for someone but shane went about it in the worst way, he just kind of the stuff at Bobby to get him big. Ofc, at the end of the day, Bobbys actions are his own, I just don't think this would've happened, or at least not to this extent, if shane had never brought him out to LA
...my grandfather has that shirt Great video though! This video put a lot of my feelings toward Bobby into words. I still wish him the best, but it’s just so hard for me to actively support him anymore. I used to have an imaginary list of creators that I’d “watch no matter what” and Bobby sort of made me realize no matter how much I think that, it’s not true. Every person online pigeon holes themselves in some way and when that person pulls a 180 on their audience a lot of them are bound to leave, and honestly I think they have a certain right to be upset about it.
I always hoped for a good influencer that represents bisexuality in a way that I can relate to be be proud of especially with biphobia being prevalent in the LGBTQ+ community. I got Bobby Burns and Halsey. Goddammit.
This is a great analysis, and I’m glad you made it. Your point about the “exploitation of sexuality” feels very accurate to me. I think I sort of glossed over it the first time I watched his video, but it’s actually really screwed up that he’s exploiting bisexuality. Also, suppressed sexuality doesn’t always turn people violent and I hate that he’s portraying a story of revenge without any backstory. I’ll be checking out your other videos and I bet I’ll find myself subscribing too.
The self-reflection of seeing yourself in Bobby a bit and worried about your own content perhaps mimicking the pattern of his was a great point to make. Haven't seen anybody else quite articulate their criticism of Bobby in that same self-reflective way, since we criticize based on a projection of ourselves onto others, or at least I think we do. Anyway, I agree. Bobby's greatest video was the one where he critiques the 'genuine' quality of other youtube creators, but even that I felt was kind of mediocre. There were plenty of other commentary creators at the time, and even now, who posited their positions in a far more compelling manner than Bobby, but it seemed like he always had an 'untapped potential'. Now it's become clear that he was, and still currently seems to be, trying to find his identity in his work. That's what he's always been lacking in his videos. Maybe it's because he's never been able to be truly honest with himself and tries instead to pander toward the people he idolizes (joji/filthy frank), and it's exacerbated and compounded with being suddenly thrown into the LA environment and his young age. Can't really blame him, but can't help but criticize him as I see the same kind of ambivalence and wanton desire for grandeur in myself. Bobby got a taste of the sliver of success too soon, I think.
This is your worst video!!! I'm so dissapointed >_< . Just kidding, I feel the same way whenever I hit the upload button. Keep taking risks, never stop experimenting with new content.
Although he has made good content in the past, Bobby Burns has always seemed a bit self-centered. Like one of those people that never let you have a say. On the other hand, you seem to me to be a cool guy with whom you can drink a beer and talk about everything. So don't worry. Your content might get mainstream, boring or pointless in the future, but that's just part of doing the same thing for a long time. I doubt that your videos will become cringy and attention grabbing.
Um, i think he's actually going for horrorcore, not filthy frank. Knowing the type of music he likes, its probably, on some level, horrorcore. ICP doesn't count.
To me Bobby seems like someone with adhd who tries to switch from adderall to weed. Their hyperactivity ramps up while they believe that they are having creative epiphanies. He’s rapid firing through these artistic concepts then having to “kill them off” when it becomes obvious. (Not hating on disorders or weed use)
Damn, I’d never thought you would be the guy to make a video about nasty! I agree with everything you said though! Kinda sad that’s the route he took. He should have stuck to film.
I watched this twice in a row just cause I enjoyed it so much. I did watch Bobby's content a long while back, but then it changed so much it was no longer interesting to me and I unsubbed. Looking back, the whole spiel of bashing Shaun, then being his biggest fan, moving, turning into basically Team 10, coming out, inventing nasty boy.... It's just so clear that he tries to do whatever it takes to get as many views or subs or w/e as possible. I've seen other youtubers do coming out vids but none of them have carried such a convenient aura of oh this'll get people talking. I'd rather he be happy with whatever amount of subs he had and kept trying to make his craft better, than jump between what ever it is that seems to be the big thing now. ... Tbh I actually hope he starts doing beauty guru vids next coz that could be entertaining lmao
The thing is, people just recently became fans of his through his commentary videos. But those aren't really him either. I started following him in 2015, and that was for one reason, he had good movie reviews. He was a huge Tarantino fan. Originally, his channel was explicitly built around films and film making. Everyone says he "started as a commentary channel", but that's simply not true. Moving to commentary was his biggest mistake, and his downfall. If he had just stuck to movies, no one would be talking about whatever this embarrassing crap is.
I don't know. People are always telling artist and youtubers to make the content they really like to make, until people don't like it. Then suddenly the artists have changed for the worst. What if this is what Bobby always wanted to make but was too young and insecure to do? I applaud him for doing what he loves and finally being himself. Also, I actually think his music is quite good, it reminds me of how rap sounds these days, with influences from rock and other genres kinda like other new artists Ghostemane, Suicideboys etc. I think it's good to remember that all of this is subjective. Sometimes I feel like people are afraid of anything outside of normality. How you mentioned that Bobby was never 'amazing' but was at least down to earth like a friend youre watching. Have you ever considered that maybe he wasn't being truly himself back then?
As I may not be a fan of Bobby and I definitely have some opinions about him, his Nasty Boi-Creep! track isn't complete trash. While the chorus is definitely bad and not something Id like, you see that very often with small rappers, getting shitty female backtracks. But also, his flow is quite good and I could decipher his lyrics fairly easily. Maybe this is because I've studied music my whole life, or maybe I have better hearing than you! lol. great video though! Definitely going to look into your content.
I actually don't think it's terrible for trap music. And if I were to be offended by anything at all, it'd probably be the appropriation of aave. What I really think is problematic is the vilifying of a 21 year old, just for doing what makes him happy. I think that's really shitty.
But he's a separate entity as you. Two people are never alike. Bobby is his own person, his brain is completely wired differently than yours, therefore, he will evolve however he's meant to. There isn't any reason to be worried. You review shit from an intellectual, informative point of view and Bobby has a more visual, artistic point of view at the moment, and he was once a reviewer in his own disguise. I just cannot wrap my head around the hate this dude is getting. Let's all hop on the troll train and attack some random guy who has literally no impact on your life, has made the decisions he's had for whatever reasoning he had at that part in his life. RU-vid is a wonderful place and we are all allotted our free speech, but it brings ya down to consistently see it everywhere. It's part of the world I suppose but I find it hypocritical to condemn someone for their content when it's creative and imaginative in it's own way. No matter how it came to be or what reasoning he has behind it. Words are just that, words, and the more we stop becoming so triggered by everything and taking offence to all things, the good and the ugly, the fast we will evolve into an a more sophisticated species. So, I disliked this video because it was highly negative, completely intolerable, and I'm offended by your lips. I don't like them. Like caterpillars. Now I'm going to go eat something because I got a little high and now find this comment unnecessary.
found you from j aubrey who just uploaded a video about bobby burns! yea i really tried to give bobby's rap music a chance, much like i gave gabbie hanna's a chance and really actually enjoyed two of her songs including their music videos! (i, however, do not believe the person who wrote that poetry is the same person who wrote those songs. i believe she has has a really good ghost writer and producer of the music videos she paid for) but i however do 90% of the time only listen to rap, my favorite artist being Kevin Gates. i also dated a freestyle rapper who honestly if he would not have died i believe who have went onto fame because i have been to many freestyle battles, and he was the best freestyle rapper i've ever heard hands down, had he not passed away at the age of 23. (r.i.p. tyrone "trey" farias) so with that past i do have i can not stress enough with rapping, enunciating your words is so key, so, just everything to being a good rapper, as is having natural flow with each verse, good hooks, and good lyrics. i think the only one of those things bobby burns sometimes has is sometimes good lyrics. he is not a natural rapper. and anyone who listens to rap or hip hop music (and i would definitely not put this is a hip hop category) i strain to even put it in a rap category i-i don't know what it is. and even if all that was bad, if the music video told a story easy to understand you could at least get through the 3 and half minutes and say "okay, i understand the message of that song even if i didn't understand half of the words he said" but you never -can- the only concept that is easy to understand is that he is killing the old bobby. and no one wants nasty they want bobby so why would he thin- i'm just there's no point even continuing to try to decipher this dumpster fire.
art is subjective. i agree his bisexual narrative doesnt make much sense to us but it does to him and thats what matters i guess. artists should understand that.
As a bi person from the deep South, watching Bobby just makes me sad. His content was a little depressing but good back in the day. But I think he's lost what he strives for.
Keep your hurtful opinion to yourself and not social media like this guy a cyberbully and I know I'll get hate for aperenty being a fanboy I am not I don't every really watch this Bobby boi Soo the hates is just other cyberbullys you don't know what words can do that people. ignorant!!!
I'm still subscribed to bobby, but at this point I don't even know why. I've disliked pretty much all his content since the LA move. he used to be one of my favourite youtubers, but his stuff has since become super forced and trite.
I subscribe to him in the first place because i really enjoyed his old content before he was with shane. I guess he's trying to fit in the whole "youtube lifestyle" after Shane and his friend... the whole idea of vlogging and "let me be myself" with the whole nastyboi situation. You can literally see his own self depleting... nastyboi seems like a character that isnt real nor touching him... its like hes doing it to be edgy...its awefully transparently fake... gawd wish him luck...
I really like how you weren’t afraid to point out that Bobby’s claim that Nasty Boi is about someone who denies their own bisexuality was clearly an afterthought on his part. I feel like so many people are quick to jump in and say “You’re invalidating the expression of his sexuality!” or “You’re being a bully!” even though claiming that your bad art has to do with sexuality shouldn’t mean people aren’t allowed to criticize it. I agree with you completely!
I unsubbed and forgot abt him after the Shane thing, it’s so weird seeing him like this. It’s like I’m in some kind of parallel universe all of a sudden 😂
I don't even hate Nasty Boi's music, it was honestly better than I expected, but it seems like he's trying too hard to sound like $uicideboy$ but not pulling their style off quite as well
