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Navy 7.62mm NATO Conversion M1 Garand - Mk2 Mod1 

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When the M14 rifle was developed to replace the M1 Garand, is was met with some uncertainty by the US Navy. The Navy had a lot of things to spend money on, and not a lot of need for a replacement for the M1 Garand (note that the Marine Corps did adopt the M14 despite being a component of the Navy). So instead of buying new rifles, the Navy opted to see if it could just convert its existing M1 rifles to the new 7.62x51mm cartridge.
Because of the similarity between the two cartridges, this seemed to be a fairly simple conversion. A chamber insert was designed which would fill the front of the chamber and allow the use of 7.62x51mm, with the resulting rifle designated the Mark 2 Mod 0. However, the chamber inserts tended to come loose with firing, so a modification was made. grooves were added to the front of the chamber to improve the adherence between insert and chamber. These also tended to come loose, and so the Navy was forced to resort to installing brand new barrels to make their conversions. This was more expensive than they would have liked, but was still much cheaper than buying new M14s, so they went ahead and bought 30,000 new barrels from Springfield Armory in 1965 and 1966. These were installed by H&R and American Machine & Foundry and became designated the Mk2 Mod1 rifles.
The only other modification necessary for the conversion was the addition of a white plastic spacer block in the magazine well. This simply blocked a shooter from inserting a clip of .30-06 cartridges. A .30-06 would not be able to chamber or fire in the new barrels, but the spacer block provided a handy reminder of the rifle's new chambering. Because these conversions are quite simple, they are fairly easy guns to fake. This particular example includes sales paperwork from the CMP confirming its originality.
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@TheMrarthas
@TheMrarthas 6 лет назад
Watched this with my M1. We both enjoyed this video.
@nosraltinmad5767
@nosraltinmad5767 5 лет назад
Did it watch it with its barrel?
@gravelydon7072
@gravelydon7072 4 года назад
Mine is downstairs with the stock off. Getting a good coating of raw Linseed Oil on it. Mine is a Mk2 Mod 0.
@mortenrasmussen965
@mortenrasmussen965 4 года назад
:-)
@gravelydon7072
@gravelydon7072 4 года назад
@@nosraltinmad5767 It had it's sights on it. ;-)
@datboi9316
@datboi9316 3 года назад
Its like watching Netflix but gun lol
@erikkaingebretsen5096
@erikkaingebretsen5096 7 месяцев назад
Did San Diego RTC IN 1970 and we did our firearm qualification was with the 7.62 M1 Garand. On the ship I served on we had M1 Carbines not Garands. It is my understanding that the Navy would continue using the Carbine until 1973.
@STB-jh7od
@STB-jh7od 6 лет назад
In 2003-04, CMP had these on their website for "upcoming sale" but later the site just dropped all reference to these. A few years later a friend who had recently returned from Iraq told me a bunch of these had shown up for designated marksmen/snipers and were being used. I know that's anecdotal, so not claiming that's what happened to CMP rifles, and for all I know they may have been navy leftovers.
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 5 лет назад
Why does the USN need rifles? 1) When my Dad's ship was moored at an advance base such as Ulithi or Eniwetok in WW2, swim call would occur, so you could dive in from the deck and climb back on via cargo nets. Riflemen would be posted from the Marine detachment which was carrying M1903's at the time (then converting to M1's late war). Why? Because there's sharks in the Pacific2) The Navy still did Naval Landing Parties. Dad's ship was in Tokyo Bay for the surrender and sent a party ashore to secure part of the area and dad volunteered - "Anything to get some time off the ship!" So he was issued a set of ancient load bearing equipment, an M1903 and bayonet and off they went to conquer Japan
@thatguy5040
@thatguy5040 6 лет назад
Interesting gun i only ever hear of the "tanker garands" in 7.62 nato. And Ian, Mod is modification not model. I'm sorry had to say it it annoyed me. So thought id let you know.
@benphillips9229
@benphillips9229 3 года назад
What was that weird noise at 1:53/8:47
@SideWays8Productions
@SideWays8Productions 5 лет назад
My father has several M1 Garands, including one of these that he acquired from the CMP. When he got it, the plastic spacer was missing, and let me tell you...if you're missing the spacer (which apparently is common among these rifles), don't set this down next to a .30-06 Garand with the exact same wood furniture like I did, unless you enjoy spending a solid 5 minutes prying .30-06 out of the chamber with a knife round by round. Those spacers are there for a very good reason lol
@davidbell1619
@davidbell1619 Год назад
I dont allow any one to touch my .308 Garand. If shooting someone else's rifle I ask what cartridge first.
@yellowchartreuse
@yellowchartreuse 5 месяцев назад
Only one will go in the chamber at a time. There is no "round by round." It's only one round.
@SideWays8Productions
@SideWays8Productions 5 месяцев назад
@@yellowchartreuse I'm aware of that. .30-06 is longer than .308 and will prevent the clip release from functioning due to the longer cartridge length. The tension from the follower also makes it very difficult to remove the rounds from the clip in the receiver. The easiest (and it's not easy) way to remove 8 rounds of .30-06 jammed in a .308 gun is to cycle each round and pry it out of the chamber, one at a time (which is what I mean't by "round by round")
@GunsNGames1
@GunsNGames1 5 лет назад
In Brazil, we have Gewehr 98's converted to 7.62x51mm. They have a FN FAL barrel and muzzle break, allowing to fire rifle grenades. They are used for training in military bases located in small towns.
@astridvallati4762
@astridvallati4762 Год назад
Not Gew98, but DWM M1908 Brasilian Mausers...called Mosquete M968. Also, barrel is not an FN FAL barrel, but a 7mm M1908 Mauser Barrel re-bored and chambered to 7,62 NATO. I have 2 of them. Very good shooters. Work done by IMBEL, ITAJUBA. DocAV.
@gr33nsk1n
@gr33nsk1n 3 месяца назад
​@@astridvallati4762🤓🤓🤓🤓
@Weaponsandstuff93
@Weaponsandstuff93 6 лет назад
Probably less trouble than all the problems the M14 had.
@TexasNationalist1836
@TexasNationalist1836 2 месяца назад
Nope
@eltenda
@eltenda 6 лет назад
We had m1 's in 308 in Italy
@montimuros2837
@montimuros2837 6 лет назад
eltenda fabrizio You mean BM-59?
@Matthew-Graves
@Matthew-Graves 6 лет назад
champimuros no they had m1 garands that both converted and built in .308, bloke on the range has great videos about his.
@CJoksch
@CJoksch 6 лет назад
I believe that the Italians also made standard M1's in 7.62 NATO, before moving on to the BM-59.
@eltenda
@eltenda 6 лет назад
Craig Joksch yup I believe so..mostly of our unit ones were us made
@marzioscipioni9508
@marzioscipioni9508 6 лет назад
No chamoimuros, italian army converted the garand for 7,62 nato.(garand t1 t is for Terni Arsenal). BM59 It s an another a.r. based on garand mechanics, as m14. I shot with both during my military duty.
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany 6 лет назад
Converting previously made rifles. The U.S. military just can't help themselves.
@ExUSSailor
@ExUSSailor 6 лет назад
And why not? The Navy doesn't need the newest, or, best shoulder arms, and, the Garand is one of the finest rifles ever produced, a Hell of a lot better than the M14, anyway.
@sgt.eclair
@sgt.eclair 6 лет назад
Anon Nymous Debatable.
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany 6 лет назад
Matt Johnson Nope, just regular kind. The U.S. Govt has a long, documented history of trying to utilize/convert old parts, cling to old designs, and reutilize previously designed ammunition.
@demonprinces17
@demonprinces17 6 лет назад
Everyone did this, flintlock to cap, cap to breech-loading.
@1ohtaf1
@1ohtaf1 6 лет назад
What? The M14 might have been outdated when it entered service - but its everything the Garand was - just better.
@GearKnowHow
@GearKnowHow 6 лет назад
I would think sub-machine guns and handguns would be more beneficial to the Navy. I had a buddies Dad who served in Japan in the 60's said they still patrolled the deck at night with Thompson's and occasionally they would let them dump a mag into the ocean at the end of their shifts. haha different times.
@victorwaddell6530
@victorwaddell6530 6 лет назад
We had M14s , but M1911a1 pistols and M870 shotguns were used more .
@xmm-cf5eg
@xmm-cf5eg 6 лет назад
Guy I know had said that trench guns were issued and stored intermittently on his boat, I would think a shotgun would be more useful if the ship was boarded.
@victorwaddell6530
@victorwaddell6530 6 лет назад
7.62 x39mm A bit about my service to establish where I'm speaking from . I was in the US Navy from 1985 to 1995 . My rating was Operations Specialist (radar) . I was on a Destroyer for four years , a Military Policeman in Yokosuka Japan for two years , then on a Cruiser for four years . The shotguns we were armed with were M870s , the military designation for the Remington 870 pump 12ga . They had cylinder bores . Loads wers 2&3/4 inch 00 Buck , 6 in the mag + 1 in the chamber , a belt pouch of loose rounds for reload . Barrel length was @ 20 inch . Wood stock , no bayonette , bead front sight, no heat guard . Not a trench gun , more like a police cruiser shotgun . This was mid 80s to mid 90s , on ships and Military Police . This weapon and 1911A1 pistols were our main weapons for ship and shore security . M14s were sometimes issued . When I was an MP the Marine Barracks had the M9 Beretta and the M16 rifle , among other weapons . About this time some military units had the M590 Mossberg shotgun , which may have had the heat guard , bayonette , and other features of a trench gun . The Marine Barracks may have had them , but I never saw them armed with one . Interestingly , my home state , South Carolina, has a State Guard . Separate from the National Guard , they are official Militia of South Carolina. Unpaid volunteers not subject to Federal call , but serving at the call of The Governor . They must purchase their personal gear at their own cost . The state equips them with weapons , ammunition, communications , and transport as needed . Their weapon , when issued , is the M590 Mossberg shotgun , and they may carry their personally bought sidearm if they have a valid state handgun license . They mostly get called up for hurricanes and floods and such . But wait , there's more ! South Carolina has an official South Carolina Navy ! I still haven't figured out what that is . It seems to me to be a yacht club of sorts , maybe a State Coast Guard ? What I've seen so far is that they do historical exploration and cartography mostly .
@Purple_Wayne
@Purple_Wayne 6 лет назад
You would be right, but we can't let go of the long arms. I got out a couple years ago, but we still use M14's to this day to fire shot line from ship to ship during underway replenishment. It's pretty cool to see.
@xmm-cf5eg
@xmm-cf5eg 6 лет назад
@Victor Waddell I was talking about a gentleman who served 70 years ago, in fact, I think he "appropriated" one of those shotguns and supposedly it rests on his mantle. I know of the Remington 870 pump-action, thanks for the clarification on your side though, interesting story. I'm a weapons discusser but I'm not an avid shotgun guy. A break action suits me fine and my personal favorite self-loader is the Saiga, was never terribly fond of pump-action firearms of any kind.
@thewiezman
@thewiezman 6 лет назад
The block to not allow 30.06 is a good idea in hindsight having it serve in Vietnam along side arvn units Using standard garands
@KA-dx2kz
@KA-dx2kz 6 лет назад
Made 30 thousand plugs to find out they didn't work
@johnjuiceshipper4963
@johnjuiceshipper4963 6 лет назад
John La Duke I’m 100% sure one guy was saying that from the beginning but was outranked by someone else.
@SilentRazor1uk
@SilentRazor1uk 6 лет назад
..I am amazed considering the era, that some 'bright spark' didn't think or at least suggest using 'explosives' to join the insert to the chamber/barrel - remembers the video clip of that washed up whale carcass being detonated with TNT - sometime in the 1960s; after which it was suddenly infinitely more preferable to leave the carcass, to bury it or to tow it out, offshore. But then the Navy is reputedly smarter than the Army, and so, also likelier smarter than the civic & public persons.
@joevidya
@joevidya 6 лет назад
Sounds about right for our military
@kenibnanak5554
@kenibnanak5554 6 лет назад
Wonder why they simply didn't pin the plugs in place.
@MrCalman65
@MrCalman65 6 лет назад
Friction welding would've worked. Spin the plug inside the chamber at high speed then give it a light machine if necessary.
@mcqueenfanman
@mcqueenfanman 6 лет назад
The Navy never heard of red lock-tite?
@afhostie
@afhostie 5 лет назад
Wouldn't the heat of shooting cause the red-tite to release?
@abedekok322
@abedekok322 6 лет назад
I think my pop owns one of these, it's a 1943 receiver with a supposed 1963 refit. When we received it, it confused everyone but with some simple figuring we found it to be cambered in 7.62 NATO, now I know what it is, Thanks Ian
@ToddT7819
@ToddT7819 6 лет назад
I actually own one of these rifles, and used it for NRA matches for years, it is a great shooter and with a set of match sights and match op rod and some glass bedding it has served me well.
@colbeausabre8842
@colbeausabre8842 3 года назад
When I was an Army ROTC Cadet (70-74), our freshman and sophomores were issued M14's, the Juniors carried M16's and the Seniors either M14's or M16's depending on which class they were in charge of. The Navy/Marine guys had Mark 2 Mod 1's and the Air Force wouldn't let its cadets touch a weapon (very wise of them). As far as "why did the Navy" go to this length, it realized that it was last in line for new rifles and 30-06 would be increasing hard to find in a combat zone compared to 7.62mm. One use not mentioned was mine disposal. Mine sweepers would cut the cables of contact mines (the USN encountered Russian contact mines made in 1906 in Korea) and they would float to the surface - still dangerous. So some sweepers followed the first line of sweepers and used their weaponry to detonate (or sink - some refused to explode) the mines. Small arms were preferred as they avoided have large caliber shells ricocheting of the sea and going &diety knows where. The USN also converted a bunch of M1919A6's to 7.62 for the "Brown Water Navy" in Vietnam and called them Mark 21 Mod 0. The Israelis did the same thing as did the South Africans and the Canadians as I discovered when my outfit sponsored a Canadian one at FT Lewis in 76 www.canadiansoldiers.com/weapons/lightweapons/machineguns/c5machinegun.htm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_South_African_Army#Machine_guns
@caylumhenderson9396
@caylumhenderson9396 6 месяцев назад
Very cool info and I like the links thanks for that
@Swervin309
@Swervin309 6 лет назад
Gun Jesus blesses us with another reading of the Scripture.
@histman44
@histman44 6 лет назад
Just a FYI; Mod. in Navy parlance does not stand for model, it stands for modification.
@oldgoat1890
@oldgoat1890 5 лет назад
I remember the inserts. They would occasionally eject with a spent case. We tried lock-tite, but it did not help. To much heat and shock, I guess.
@tenacious645
@tenacious645 6 лет назад
This channel is consistently excellent. Very well done Ian, keep up the good work man :)
@fraiday7292
@fraiday7292 4 года назад
5:26 an idiot block for an En Bloc
@Privat2840
@Privat2840 Год назад
I believe the Civilian Marksmanship Program is still making this conversion.
@509Gman
@509Gman 10 месяцев назад
Yes, but the barrel is marked “.308 WIN”, usually from Criterion Barrels. Also the spacer is metal.
@ghostshadow9046
@ghostshadow9046 6 лет назад
ruined a good 30-06 converting them to 308/7.62 nato
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 6 лет назад
Sheesh, by the time they got them they might as well have just waited for M16's
@garrettholland664
@garrettholland664 6 лет назад
SgtKOnyx the navy expects to be firing at longer ranges with their rifles. they need the extra power of the 308
@sdivine13
@sdivine13 5 лет назад
@@garrettholland664 no we dont, we use rifles at the ecp and for patrolling the weather deck in port
@roboticrebel4092
@roboticrebel4092 4 года назад
@@sdivine13 then an m1 is plenty good enough Again the main reason the navy went with this rifle was cost.
@sdivine13
@sdivine13 4 года назад
@@roboticrebel4092 the m1 was fine, and so was the m14, my point was were not only firing long range.
@pivotboy2062
@pivotboy2062 4 года назад
I want an og m1 garand so bad
@browndd
@browndd 6 лет назад
I don't know a lot about chamber pressure and the force's involved so this might seem like a stupid question. But why didn't they just weld the .308 adapter into position? I mean after all if done correctly and with the right alloys the bead can often be stronger than the pieces they join.
@ebattleon
@ebattleon 6 лет назад
Capacitive welding could do the job.
@browndd
@browndd 6 лет назад
Rufus Chucklebutty - There are a few ways to do it. The easiest and sloppiest way would probably be by Miling out the walls of the chamber and throat to make room for a sleeve that could then be welded into position and headspaced for .308. Which would have been much faster, easier and cheaper than buying new manufacture barrels.
@browndd
@browndd 6 лет назад
toomanyaccounts - It takes far more time and work to bore out and rifle a new barrel than it does to shorten the chamber length of an existing barrel. Plastic is not strong enough to contain the pressure of firing thats why guns are made out of metal. Also the barrels were fine because they were still fairly new and had'n't seen much use. The whole idea of a .308 M1 was to update to the new Nato standard as cheaply as possible.
@chrisjones6002
@chrisjones6002 6 лет назад
Heat tends to make Loctite fail so I don't think it would have done much good. I guess it couldn't hurt anything either but the new barrels seem like a better solution than the plugs.
@CJoksch
@CJoksch 6 лет назад
That's the first rifle I ever qualified on in 1969.
@JohnLeePedimore
@JohnLeePedimore 6 лет назад
I've got a 1912-61 Chilean Mauser in 7.62 Nato made by Steyr and it has a chamber plug. It started life as a 7mm and it was converted in the sixties. They made thousands of them and I've never heard of a plug coming out so I guess it is possible for it to work. It may be that the slower,more controlled extraction of a bolt action doesn't pull as hard on the insert.
@Dutch1951x
@Dutch1951x 3 года назад
Trained with the M16 in the Army. After I got out of the Army I enlisted in the Coast Guard and qualified with the Garand in boot camp and we had them at the Air Station I was stationed at until the later part of 1972 when we switched over to the M16. We also had a couple of M3 grease guns and a couple of Thompson's and had to get rid of those as well. I think every body wanted to keep the Garands and shit can the 16's.
@luarskywalker
@luarskywalker 6 лет назад
Is there any difference between 30-06 clip and 7.62 clip?
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 6 лет назад
Nope, .308 and .30-06 share the same case width, so the clips are identical
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 6 лет назад
TheGoldenCaulk thanks! I was wondering that too
@millwaterpublishing1387
@millwaterpublishing1387 6 лет назад
It would probably be the bullets in a clip of 30-06 that would hit that plastic bit in the well, since the '06 is longer than 7.62N... If someone lost the block and stuck 30-06 in there, it simply wouldn't go fully into battery when the bolt was released.
@ThaneaPally
@ThaneaPally 6 лет назад
No you use the same clip the .308 case is wider at the point the clip holds on to so they are a bit harder to put in but they function just fine. 30-06 has a slight taper to the outer case wall as were the .308 is straight walled. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield#/media/File:Cartridge_30-06.png
@NC_Fisher_Guy
@NC_Fisher_Guy 3 года назад
my dad has one, however not one of these. he bought on through the CMP that was made in 1942, but was in not great condition, so when the sellers repaired it they replaced the barrel with a .308 barrel. my dad decided to buy it because at the time .308 was cheaper than .30-06, it was standardized by NATO so it was easy to find, and it had lower recoil. great rifle.
@munched55
@munched55 6 лет назад
Hi Ian, Is the same clip used for loading the 7.62 as for the 30-06?
@TheMrarthas
@TheMrarthas 6 лет назад
Yes, you can use the same clips.
@hal3674really
@hal3674really 6 лет назад
"- except for the barrel and one special part in the magazine well" This is gonna be a roller coaster of a video.
@alexanderklatt9217
@alexanderklatt9217 6 лет назад
My in JROTC in California had an entire Armory full of non-functional 762 NATO for drill. Could never figure out where the hell they came from. Ours were marked on the original spot 7.62 right behind the sights. Did one of the companies do that over there later versions that were produced? Great show!
@francislematt7079
@francislematt7079 6 лет назад
Denmark had the M1 Garand in 7.62mm NATO until quote recently. I wonder if those had any connections with this NAVY conversion....
@ThaneaPally
@ThaneaPally 6 лет назад
kinda, my navy match rifle clone I made actually has a danish rear sight cover with 7.62 nato and the navys anchor etched in to it. the Danes did it them selves from rifles given to them.
@smlee7348
@smlee7348 4 года назад
Hello - It sold for $2300 in 2017. I'm M1 rookie and want my 1st M1. Q1. Is Navy M1 308 as desired as a collectible when compared to the legendary M1 30-06 ? Q2. What's est price (Navy 308) to buy today & where ?.....est price M1 30-06 ? Q3. How many genuine Navy 308 out there to buy ? thanks to all.......sammy
@dave_riots
@dave_riots 6 лет назад
It would be a real honor to get to shoot and own an M1 Garand.
@vandabo
@vandabo 6 лет назад
So the ballistics of 30-06 and 308 are close enough to not require modified sights? Or did I miss that?
@nicholasreilly3218
@nicholasreilly3218 6 лет назад
The specification for .308 was to have an identical ballistic path to 30-06. Improvements in gunpowder allowed for a short action case that was over a centimeter shorter than 30-06
@vandabo
@vandabo 6 лет назад
That's handy, thanks for the info.
@michaelfeenin551
@michaelfeenin551 6 лет назад
Not necessarily true if i recall. It wasn't so much improvements in gunpowder it was that the 30:06 originally had much more powder in the case, but was dumbed down later. So they decided to make the case smaller since they weren't using the extra space anyway. Could be wrong, though.
@MrBioniclefan1
@MrBioniclefan1 6 лет назад
Well there is a deference in speed but not that much in the ballistic threat level the level 4 has .30-06 Springfield as the level 4.
@on2wheels378
@on2wheels378 6 лет назад
A gunsmith in Pennsylvania named Shufflin could convert you Garand (M1 .30-06 Ca) into a .308 (7.62 NATO). Great upload.
@ФилиппЛыков-д8е
@ФилиппЛыков-д8е 6 лет назад
Rather than replacing the barrel, they might have threaded the chamber and the plug and screw the plug in, maybe, with a couple of prick-punches to the rear edge of the plug just in case.
@cheapolegunguy
@cheapolegunguy 6 лет назад
Sorry, I should have waited, you did correct yourself, my intent wasn't to be a troll.
@Montragon29
@Montragon29 6 лет назад
Ian's videos are so well prepared I automatically give him the thumbs up click...
@minuteman4199
@minuteman4199 6 лет назад
After reading the comments I now understand that they used the same clips. I would be curious to know how the logistics of this worked. Did the arsenal keep making new clips and do runs of ammo to package into them just for navy use, or did they salvage now surplus ammo, take the .30-06 out and put 7.62 in instead? Either way it seems like a bit of a hassle.
@Danogil
@Danogil 6 лет назад
These were still being issues to sailors in 1982-83 at NTCSD for training only we didn't get to fire them at that time.
@howarddavis7423
@howarddavis7423 4 года назад
Hi, I have a grand 7.62 Navy, that doesn't have the receiver block. Its a 1943 with a a AMF barrel. I have paperwork that shows it was in Navy inventory up to 1966.
@ExUSSailor
@ExUSSailor 6 лет назад
American Machine and Foundry, I believe. The same company that almost destroyed Harley.
@dereks6636
@dereks6636 6 лет назад
Anon Nymous ye
@doughesson
@doughesson 2 года назад
In 1988,my cousin's FFG USS Doyle had M1 Garands in 7.62x51mm. My ship & his were both down in Cuba for Fleet Refresher Training after overhaul. He said that the Marines who conducted their weapons qualification training were amazed that they had M1s & even asked"How come we don't have these?See,Gunny? They don't even have to worry about losing the magazine because it's built in to the rifle!"
@jamesgalatioto7227
@jamesgalatioto7227 6 лет назад
Local shop by me Orion 7 had a few of these on the shelf when I went in to grab .30-06 for my m1. Wanted to grab one then but never did
@jamesgalatioto7227
@jamesgalatioto7227 6 лет назад
toomanyaccounts I doubt that Orion 7 specializes in garands and they've never lied to me. Also they never said authentic navy just said .308 m1's
@khyberpasscustoms9663
@khyberpasscustoms9663 Год назад
We rechambered m1 grand to 7.62x54 and 7.62x51 and also in 8mm Mauser
@Piotwor
@Piotwor 6 лет назад
The Navy is like the youngest brother, always stuck using old hand-me-downs.
@somethingloud1886
@somethingloud1886 6 лет назад
Piotwor thought that was marine corps
@Halinspark
@Halinspark 6 лет назад
This isnt hand me downs as much as the Navy not really seeing a point in owning the newest, shiniest rifle. Why spend all that money on something you're not really going to use?
@ericgarcia9110
@ericgarcia9110 6 лет назад
No that's the USMC, except for lately with their new V22, F35, and M27 rifle
@Locutus494
@Locutus494 6 лет назад
Yes, that's definitely us. Though as Eric Garcia pointed out, that's finally changing a little bit. Sixteen years of war budgets has allowed us to actually get some good gear.
@ericgarcia9110
@ericgarcia9110 6 лет назад
Locutus494 even the Super Hueys. They were not just old hueys with upgrades. They were new with improvements. The F/A 18 C's are a different story though lol.
@roninoneil546
@roninoneil546 5 лет назад
Thank you Ian nice video my friend
@trapperkcmo3460
@trapperkcmo3460 6 лет назад
these extra barrels floating around - they do or do not have H&R or AMF stamped on them?
@ericbutler6881
@ericbutler6881 4 года назад
Springfield armory re made some m1s in 308 and 30 06 a few years ago
@redcat9436
@redcat9436 4 года назад
Not the same Springfield Armory. The US government arsenal that designed and built the M1 rifle was closed in 1968. A group of investors bought the rights to the name and set up the commercial gun company that exists today.
@daddy_cool762
@daddy_cool762 6 лет назад
Interesting idea. Kind of makes me wonder, were there many actually successful major service rifle conversions? (Be it caliber conversions, semi-auto or otherwise)
@minuteman4199
@minuteman4199 6 лет назад
Canada took Browning 1919 MGs and converted them to 7.62 NATO and disintegrating link ammo. I would hardly call it successful though. I understand the US rejected to design. I used them during my service and besides being a beast to lug around compared to the MAG 58 we eventually got they were horribly unreliable. It takes more recoil energy to feed from a disintegrating link than it does from a cloth belt, and the gun had lower recoil energy. The size of the hole in the barrel bearing plug was reduced to boost the energy but it still was not that reliable.l
@bdbgh
@bdbgh 6 лет назад
PING!
@sjoormen1
@sjoormen1 6 лет назад
This rifles used standard clips for M1 in 30.06?
@charlesinglin
@charlesinglin 6 лет назад
We were just talking about the M1 and whether they'd been barreled for 7.62 Nato a few weeks ago. Thanks.
@doejohn8674
@doejohn8674 6 лет назад
I got a Garand last week, made by Beretta for the Danish Army, in .30-06. I am looking for any info I can get on this production, how many were made? When? I only found a total production number of around 20k but for both calibers, 7.62Nato and .30-06. And yes, you can fire a .308 in a .30-06 Garand, don't ask how I know...
@michaelw.6957
@michaelw.6957 6 лет назад
I wonder if they had the same problems with the plugged chamber Garands as with the converted 1895 7mm Spanish Mausers? I believe a number of them were converted to 7.62 NATO(?) years ago and an inherent problem with these conversions is that the gap between the chamber and the insert is subject to 'flame-cutting', such as with the top strap on a revolver, because the cartridge neck does not extend past the joint to protect it.
@IoannisAr
@IoannisAr 8 дней назад
Like the Greek navy did with the M1919s. They never adopt the MG3 in 7.62 NATO but convert the M1919 in to 7.62 and still use it today
@762gunr
@762gunr 6 лет назад
Interesting that the pressure curve of 7.62 is close enough to 06' that it doesn't require a modification of the gas port.
@johnjuiceshipper4963
@johnjuiceshipper4963 6 лет назад
762gunr I found that one neat as well. Weird that there aren’t more .308/.30-06 multi-cal rifles with swappable barrels and mags.
@rogerwennstrom6677
@rogerwennstrom6677 6 лет назад
But they did do a minor adjustment to the gas port, according to the video...
@762gunr
@762gunr 6 лет назад
I didn't catch that part I guess.
@Deadtileyedie
@Deadtileyedie 6 лет назад
762gunr they said they learned early the gas ports have to be opened up to allow for the pressure curve
@rogerwennstrom6677
@rogerwennstrom6677 6 лет назад
Listen from 3:30 onwards.
@Fred-rv2tu
@Fred-rv2tu 2 года назад
I was a marine on a navy ship in 2012 and watched them use Garands to shoot lines between ships for underway resupply.
@foureye7058
@foureye7058 6 лет назад
Fantastic! Always love a good battle rifle.
@opticalecho119
@opticalecho119 4 года назад
Was this conversion by the same AMF that ran Harley Davidson for a while?
@keithstudly6071
@keithstudly6071 4 года назад
Yeah, I remember that. They tried to sell the Japanese Harley Davidson when they were running it. They also were big into sporting goods like bowling equipment and bicycles when I was a kid. American Mining and Foundries I think.
@johnnyfedpost1776
@johnnyfedpost1776 6 лет назад
I'd like one. it would be cheap to shoot
@JimFortune
@JimFortune 5 лет назад
For the Navy, small arms = 5 inch bore or less.
@TheFlubber06
@TheFlubber06 3 года назад
My guess is they stopped putting "7.62 NATO" on the receivers when they realized they would be buying all new barrels. Instead, they decided to just have Springfield put "7.62 NATO" on the new barrels, rather than American Machine & Foundry putting it on the original receivers in a separate step in their conversion.
@stephend50
@stephend50 6 лет назад
This caused problems
@douglasfrazier811
@douglasfrazier811 6 лет назад
I qualified at the US Naval Academy with the 7.62 version in 1968..
@adamhauskins6407
@adamhauskins6407 6 лет назад
Keeping me awake at work. Thanks for the great program ian
@johnmills837
@johnmills837 5 лет назад
How long before you feature a Italian Tipo 2 M1.
@Lutz101
@Lutz101 6 месяцев назад
The .30-06 clips hold the fatter 7.62x51mm rounds too tight, which can cause feeding issues. This was addressed by opening up the gas port, but that beats up the rifle. The US Navy should have adopted the M14.
@scubasteve3743
@scubasteve3743 5 лет назад
The Marine Corps gets its budget from the Navy right? So if the Marines needed the M14, then what’s 24,000 more rifles on the order for the Shore Patrol? How much money was really saved designing and playing around with -butt- plugs and new barrels and swapping out parts compared to a whole purchase of the infinitely equally mediocre M14? These are the questions that keep me up at night.
@IronSights
@IronSights 6 лет назад
So can you use the standard m1 clip for the 7.62 ammo?
@yournamehere9928
@yournamehere9928 6 лет назад
yes
@ThaneaPally
@ThaneaPally 6 лет назад
you use the same clip the .308 case is wider at the point the clip holds on to so they are a bit harder to put in but they function just fine. 30-06 has a slight taper to the outer case wall as were the .308 is straight walled. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield#/media/File:Cartridge_30-06.png
@Edgy01
@Edgy01 6 месяцев назад
Introducing the NATO version made life a little easier in places like Vietnam where we used the belted 7.62-NATO (308) rounds in the M60.
@russellalderman6920
@russellalderman6920 5 месяцев назад
Good lord, I never thought I'd see one of these. NEGDEF (Naval Emergency Ground Defense Force) had them at NAS Cubi Point in 1970.
@Dakktyrel
@Dakktyrel 6 лет назад
Springfield makes these (at least they did about 10 years ago) brand new.
@Mr2greys
@Mr2greys 6 лет назад
Dakktyrel springfield now is not the same springfield back then
@stevengoodloe3893
@stevengoodloe3893 4 месяца назад
Well, I'll be damned. Dad always said they'd had Garands in boot camp and aboard his first ship. I thought he meant M14s since he's not a gun guy. Looks like I'm the jackass.
@theamericanrailfan1071
@theamericanrailfan1071 6 лет назад
How was the reliability of the rifle?
@Navyrifleshooter
@Navyrifleshooter 6 лет назад
I'm retired Navy and I've shot a bunch of them and its the same as shooting a M1 in .06 ( I own one also) The Navy still has some in storage and they're given out as Trophy Rifles at Fleet and Higher level matches. A few years ago the Navy decided to clean house at NSWC Crane and any rifle that was deemed not cost worthy to repair (shot out barrels, and such) were stripped of everything and the receivers where given to the CMP to be sold.I believe it was in 2005 that the last command to have them showed up at the Pacific Fleet matches, they sent them back to Crane afterward.The Navy also has a number of M1's in .06. They're also stored at Crane and are given out as trophy rifles.
@ThaneaPally
@ThaneaPally 6 лет назад
I made a clone on a 6,xxx,xxx receiver a few years back and mine runs like a clock.
@jayfelsberg1931
@jayfelsberg1931 6 лет назад
Quite reliable We used them in our landing party and they worked just fine.
@HK-qj4im
@HK-qj4im 5 лет назад
I have shot mine last week. Very reliable.
@MrDoctorCrow
@MrDoctorCrow 6 лет назад
My grandfather was in the navy in the late 60s, he always complained about how heavy the damn things are.
@thebeatleshelp5834
@thebeatleshelp5834 4 года назад
All garands look really nice
@cheapolegunguy
@cheapolegunguy 6 лет назад
I don't mean to be picky, but it's American Machine and Foundry (not Forge).
@borjesvensson8661
@borjesvensson8661 3 года назад
Why bother converting when they still would need special ammo supply in en bloc clips? If they just had transfered all surplus 30-06 to the navy they would have had plenty ammo for decades to come.
@kennebecsmitty
@kennebecsmitty 6 лет назад
Nice rifle!I've only seen & held one of them in my life,never fired one,always wanted one.Have a Happy Thanksgiving!
@jimmieburleigh9549
@jimmieburleigh9549 4 года назад
Hear I am thinking about bearings where you heat the part receiving bearing and freezing the bearing when the heat is completed you tap in the bearing when both equalize it's a super tight fit. Why didn't they just do that?
@ChoChan776
@ChoChan776 4 года назад
barrel heats up when firing
@keithstudly6071
@keithstudly6071 4 года назад
I suspect that who ever it was that sold the whole "Plug" idea was out of credibility after two fails. Making new barrels might have cost more but there would be no surprises waiting. They were tired if surprises.
@matthewb391
@matthewb391 6 лет назад
Did the navy ever adopt the M-14?.
@qwpon
@qwpon 6 лет назад
matthewb391 Yes, the Navy still uses M-14s to this day, but mostly for line throwing with blanks. They work better than M-16s in the same role due to the larger cartridge, although they do use the M-16 in the role as well.
@johnstacy7902
@johnstacy7902 6 лет назад
matthewb391 yes
@troy9477
@troy9477 6 лет назад
Nice. I've heard a little about these over the years. Nice to hear the full story. I didn't know they were still in inventory that late. I know the Navy went to M14's, probably in the 70's, and i think they are still used for line launching, mine detonation, etc. I think they use the M4 as their standard shoulder arm now. Strange fact: my buddy's younger son is in the Navy, currently in nuclear propulsion school. When he went through basic (graduated in March) no rifle instruction at all, only on the M9. He shot tops in his class. ☺ My buddy and i are big gun guys, and of course he was very pleased. Great video as always
@victorwaddell6530
@victorwaddell6530 6 лет назад
Troy Ortega I was in the US Navy from '85_'95 . We had the M14 in the armories of both my ships and my Military Police unit . I loved shooting them . Sorry to see them replaced by the M4 . I heard that most of them became Squad Designated Marksman Rifles for the ground pounders , but some were kept for the SEALs . EOD , as line launchers , etc ....
@Navyrifleshooter
@Navyrifleshooter 6 лет назад
We had a command show up around 2005 Pacific Fleet with M1's they still had in their armoury. Theyre still a huge number of them stored at Naval Weapons Station Crane
@MrBioniclefan1
@MrBioniclefan1 6 лет назад
Wait the M1 in 2005?
@Navyrifleshooter
@Navyrifleshooter 6 лет назад
Yeah it was a surprise to us as well. NSWC Crane ordered them to be sent back. The Navy still uses them for trophies, given to winners from Fleet Matches and above. I was able to win one iirc in 2006 or so
@gravelydon7072
@gravelydon7072 4 года назад
@@Navyrifleshooter Want the hear a better one, I received a Mk2 Mod 0 today that still had the 1965 inspection date tag on it. 1965 was when the Navy called all of the Mk2 Mod 0s back to either change the barrels or reseat/inspect the chamber adapters. Mine also came with a 1964 sling and complete maintenance set in the butt stock of the rifle. Too bad I couldn't have just grabbed it on either of my two trips to Crane that I made in 1988. It still has its original Oct 1942 barrel on a Nov 1942 receiver. If it wasn't in 7.62, it would still be just like it left SA in 1942. The barrel only has ~.003 wear so it did not have a lot of rounds ever fired thru it. I also have #3 of the M1903A3s that the Navy converted to wall hangers. Along with it is the plaque on it from Crane. It can never fire again but it sure is shiny with its Chrome plating.
@enricocampo7130
@enricocampo7130 8 месяцев назад
Italian army successfully rechambered thousands of m1 to the 7.62 nato cartridge
@budmiller3823
@budmiller3823 6 лет назад
Ian, maybe you can expand upon the of accurizing in a future video.
@rasdread0989
@rasdread0989 4 года назад
But does it ping doe
@SteveCogno
@SteveCogno 3 месяца назад
This is just stupid. Why didn't the Navy just leave the garage in 30 ought 6 beings that they're hardly going to use them that much anyway
@FirstToken
@FirstToken 6 лет назад
The Navy dragging its feet in small arm conversion is kind of the normal pattern. After they did finally adopt the M-14 they continued to use the M-14 long after other services had converted to the M16 and its follow on variants.
@PureCountryof91
@PureCountryof91 6 лет назад
FirstToken they still use a mk14 rifle. Because .308 hits harder and reaches further. Better at wrecking pirates and their boats..
@vk3139
@vk3139 6 лет назад
Handheld firearms aren't really a high priority in the navy, they already have rifles and 7.62 is still a standard NATO round so no real reason for them to change.
@garrettholland664
@garrettholland664 6 лет назад
look at the ranges our navy expects to be firing at. the extra power of the 308 is often necessary
@jayfelsberg1931
@jayfelsberg1931 6 лет назад
Indeed they did. Our landing party used the conversion along with the M14. They were both perfectly good weapons. I was the SAR and got to try and fire the M14 and the M14A1 on auto. My story of this is on Ian's video of firing the M14 on full auto. He and I had similar experiences, which were foul.
@XSpamDragonX
@XSpamDragonX 6 лет назад
This is really cool.
@supergliderrider7131
@supergliderrider7131 4 года назад
it is nice to hear some one say John Garands name correctly.
@davidcolter
@davidcolter 6 лет назад
Were the sights not adjusted at all?
@doughesson
@doughesson 2 года назад
Back when the military had to save its money & not buy new rifles every time a new development came along. You used what you had & made it work for the given situation.
@ghostshadow9046
@ghostshadow9046 6 лет назад
Saw some with drilled and pins to hold the plug in place.
@tmseh
@tmseh 6 лет назад
My Dad trained with the Garand at P.I. in '62. Not sure about this timeline. Navy......Marines?
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