Near Catastrophe! The Air France Flight that Almost Crashed into a Mountain

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An Air France B777-200 narrowly missed central Africa’s highest mountain in early May. Flight AF953 was travelling from Malabo, the capital of Equatorial Guinea, to Douala, Cameroon’s largest city and commercial capital, when it hit bad weather on 2 May. How did this happen?
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CHAPTERS
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00:00 - Intro
00:00:40:30 - The History
00:01:09:10 - The Crew
00:01:51:02 - A Change of Weather
00:03:21:16 - The Flight Plan
00:05:12:59 - Navigation Displays
00:07:36:10 - A change of plan
00:10:23:31 - The Global Terrain Database
00:12:36:33 - Terrain! Terrain!
00:15:06:48 - What Just Happened!?
00:16:01:22 - Level the Wings!
00:17:26:51 - Definitely Shook-Up
00:18:44:36 - Criticisms
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Комментарии : 1,6 тыс.

@bgezal Год назад

Rule of flight: Mountains always have right of way. Planes must yield.

@MentourPilot Год назад

Indeed 😂😂

@volvo09 Год назад

Hahaha! Asking nicely still ain't working?

@materliliorum Год назад

🤣

@californiahiker9616 Год назад

Sort of like… the train ALWAYS has the right of way! 😱

@patrickreuvekamp Год назад

@@californiahiker9616 As long as you build the tunnel before sending the train in...

@alexandermonro6768 Год назад

Nice to see an incident in which a GPWS "Terrain, Terrain, Pull Up" alert is not eventually followed by "Unfortunately, there were no survivors". Terrain escape manoeuvres can work when done quickly enough!

@DaWolf805 Год назад

That's the difference between GPWS and EGPWS right there. Absolutely life-saving technology. Funnily enough, we can actually thank Russia for this - the Soviets had created terrain maps of the entire world, and following the collapse of the Soviet Union, they became available for purchase on the black market. Honeywell paid up, and the rest is history.

@dxb8788 Год назад

not all the time , depends on the weather , aircraft weight , speed at the time initiated , its the last line of defense before impact , the important factor is to bleed every knot in exchange of altitude and reducing ground speed

@kgaming7599 Год назад

@@dxb8788 I don't think you understood.

@WJS774 Год назад

Of course a lot of those are when the aircraft is in a seriously degraded condition rather than just navigation errors. "Terrain, Pull Up" is almost always going to be the last thing you hear on a fatal flight regardless of whether it's CFIT or mechanical damage.

@srinitaaigaura Год назад

There is an airport in Bhutan where they go through the mountains right after takeoff and the terrain warning comes out several times as they snake their way through the valley before climbing out over the mountains. Scary.

@Argosh Год назад

I'm impressed by the professionalism of this crew. Anyone can make mistakes. These people overcame that threat.

@MentourPilot Год назад

Yes, training prevailed

@robrob9050 Год назад

Mentour Pilot, any plans for covering the tragic crash of Inex-Adria Aviopromet Flight 1308 ?

@PilotGery1 Год назад

Soo true... Weather avoidance at low altitude with high terrain nearby need to be carefully briefed... Been there, done that... Choose one.. hit the hard stuff.. or the soft wibly wobly stuff..

@audify3833 Год назад

The way the copilot just instinctively went into survive mode and used all his training to escape the mountain, and then once on the ground he started to shake up and actually process what he just did is what amazes me.

@rachelcarre9468 Год назад

@@PilotGery1 😂in that part of the world, TS are a bit more than ‘wibby wobbly’

@renejean2523 Год назад

Phew! That was close! I had a similar experience when approaching Bogota, Colombia one time. ATC gave me a bad vector and the plane missed some rocky terrain by just a few feet. I was so shaken up I had to pause the game and go get a snack.

@coriscotupi Год назад

*"Bogota, Columbia"* If you had actually flown in Colombia you would have known that Columbia and Colombia are not the same thing. ;-)

@MrNicoJac Год назад

@@coriscotupi True! (but could also just be an autocorrect error)

@valakarhtelgrem5210 Год назад

You dont know how hard i laughed after reading that last comment. I couldnt catch my breath

@AN2Felllla Год назад

Ahhh... ATC has asked me many times to expedite my decent into terrain in MSFS...

@roomballistic1177 Год назад

not gonna lie caught us at first half

@laredobenjamin7438 Год назад

Another element on their side I suppose : with a flight this short and so few passengers, the aircraft must have been reeallyy light. The 777 climbs like a rocket when empty.

@NicolaW72 Год назад

Yes, indeed. And btw.: This aircraft, delivered in March 1999 to Air France, is therefore still in active service.

@kikuaviation3878 Год назад

Even a light trainer seems to climb like a rocket when you are solo!

@nadiabentuler9746 Год назад

They might have had plenty of cargo though, of which the 777 can take some ;) That is one of the purposes of those short flights in the region. At least, it was for Sabena back in the day, and to some extend for SN today.

@fx_playz8865 Год назад

Bro the Rolls Royce Trent 800 engine fitted on the Boeing 777 would be able to climb no problem with 100-200 passengers on board. Yes it will effect the plane but not as much as you think.

@laredobenjamin7438 Год назад

@@fx_playz8865 Uh, OK, but what does it have to do with it ? Air France's 777 are only fitted with GE engines.

@bobbys2160 Год назад

I'm a 777 Captain for a US Air carrier.....Hearing the GPWS alert going off sounding terrain, terrain whoop whoop pull up or TCAS climb/descent raises the hair on my on my neck. With more than 10,000 hours in a triple it is by far the best Boeing airplane I have ever flown

@LuLeBe 7 месяцев назад

I've only flown in a simulator, but I was surprised how little time you really have. The TCAS advisory came, we put the plane into the right vertical speed (which was enormous!) and still we could see the traffic quite closely below our aircraft. I can't believe how pilots can act quickly when this happens 3hrs into their 1500th flight, and suddenly you gotta act within seconds. You guys aren't paid for what you do, but for what you know and trained for.

@pushslice Год назад

That’s pretty amazing to learn that even professional pilots can get fooled by the map inset boxes . When I was younger I always wondered why Hawaii always had reputation for wonderful tropical weather, while Alaska was known for the opposite. I mean, they’re virtually right next to each other!!

@pfefferle74 Год назад

The fact that the flight path inside the insert aligns almost perfectly with the one on the main map was a stupid idea by whoever designed the map. It should have been a centimeter sheared off on purpose just to underline the fact that this isn't really a continuous path.

@goxyeagle8446 Год назад

I'm shocked and scared with this fact. In my truck I always know what highway I'm on and tracking weather at the same time pretty accurate over 10 years. Now I would expect modern airplanes are on the higher level but then this video opened my eyes

@khlua4590 Год назад

and pretty dumb, i mean if they ever look at geographical map in their life, not just IFR chart, they would've known that Mt Cameroon was NEVER at the exact north of the island.

@americankid7782 9 месяцев назад

@pushslice there were only 2 things that kept me from getting that confused while I was a kid. The first was the fact that we had a map of the world that showed the true locations of Alaska and Hawaii. The other was the first map had an outline that showed the real scale of Alaska compared to the continental states. If it wasn’t for those I would of thought that Hawaii was at the end of the Alaskan island chain until I was ~13

@alcue6322 2 месяца назад

I would say this is poor map drawing

@daverotors Год назад

"That will become important soon" is Mentour's literary equivalent to "Little did they know" :D Fantastic & interesting video as always!

@barbarawilcox182 Год назад

And "Things are about to get much worse"

@1224chrisng Год назад

it's like how Mickey Mouse says "it's a surprise tool that will help us later", except instead of the Mickey Mouse Club House jingle, it's suspenseful piano music

@streettrialsandstuff Год назад

"the last thing any pilot wants to hear"

@alexdi1367 Год назад

From a software design perspective, it's inexcusable for critical flight displays not to tell the pilot when they're loading. Who has an accurate 8-second internal clock in the heat of the moment?

@MentourPilot Год назад

It’s not counting down, it will start to present the information immediately but in a “swath” pattern starting from left to right like a radar swipe. It can take up to 8 seconds to update all info.

@Kenionatus Год назад

I think a swiping line might actually be easier to read. It looks like when the displays contain data in all areas it is fairly easy to gauge where the refresh line currently is, but when the data is sparse it's simply black. A visible refresh line would essentially make what the pilots are already used to more visible.

@DevinDTV Год назад

@@MentourPilot yeah, either way i agree with the spirit of what alexdi said. it needs to be completely unambiguous to the user that their display hasn't fully updated

@simplylinn Год назад

@@Kenionatus I think a visible refresh line for a few cycles/seconds after changing mode would be useful, as well as maybe a toggle that keeps the refresh line permanently on, if so desired. Having the refresh line permanently and unchangeably visible could potentially reduce peripheral awareness of the display, as it would be constant motion, so you could end up not being able to notice relevant changes from that display if it's always "jarringly" in motion like that.

@thomasdalton1508 Год назад

@@MentourPilot The part of the screen that hasn't loaded yet should be greyed out or something so it is clear that isn't loaded. Not loaded and nothing to display shouldn't look the same. On a modern aircraft like a 777, though, I can't see any reason for a delay - it should keep both screens ready for display at any time so it can switch over immediately. When I'm in Word and click on Excel on the taskbar it doesn't take 8 seconds to load...

@Ozai75 Год назад

I couldn't imagine the adrenaline dump after what happened. Bravo to the crew for fighting through not only the loss of situational awareness, but the physical toll that came after.

@alunesh12345 Год назад

Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.(John 3:16)🥳❤️😁❤️🫂❤️😎

@prasagun965 Год назад

Amen! Praise Lord Jesus...

@RichBensen Год назад

As a non-aviator I find it astonishing to learn that any airport that could accommodate a 777 might lack adequate weather reporting capabilities.

@glax2174 Год назад

Slapping down a piece of concrete is easier than having a weatherstation with precise information and a network to distribute that information it seems.

@NicolaW72 Год назад

@@glax2174 Yes.

@goxyeagle8446 Год назад

And why are they flying over there?? Putting passengers in danger

@NicolaW72 Год назад

@@goxyeagle8446 ???

@goxyeagle8446 Год назад

@@NicolaW72 No necessary radar on that airport. According to other pilots it's dangerous to fly in that area.

@Max-kw2hp Год назад

I love your narrative. Captivating but not overly dramatic 👍

@MentourPilot Год назад

Thank you. That’s what I’m going for

@markmossinghoff8185 Год назад

He is a natural born storyteller. He holds your attention the whole time.

@danielabackstrom Год назад

The feeling when the adrenaline starts leaving your body and the shock takes over is awful! I almost got in a car accident in January, lost control of the car completely and while I could get control of the car again and stayed cool and collected then, I started shaking so much afterwards that I couldn't continue driving, I had to sit and breathe for 20 minutes to calm down again 😅

@californiahiker9616 Год назад

I’m a retired ICU nurse. We used epinephrine (adrenaline) often as a life saving drug. I remember one instructor telling us that a shot of adrenaline is like running at full speed and still being urged on. It has a short half life, but has very uncomfortable side effects. The jitters is one of them. Stopping and recollecting oneself -if at all possible- is the right thing to do in order to maintain focused.

@renejean2523 Год назад

Glad you were okay. I think to some degree or other, every driver experiences that. I think it's worse when it's through one's *own* mistake.

@user-sm3xq5ob5d Год назад

I read somewhere that to get the adrenalin out of the system one has to use as many muscles as possible. The adrenalin serves to make the body (muscles) ready to perform at the highest intensity. So if one is sitting and not using much muscle the adrenalin is not being used up by muscle activity. The best remedy is to exercise as heavily as possible. Otherwise the adrenalin makes the muscles work by themselves and that shows in the jitter and heartbeat. Also no good for the arteries and venes. The get constricted to get up bloodpressure. One can observe this behavior on animals. If e.g. a hare faces a tough situation where it would have to run its body releases adrenalin. But if it then hasn't to do it (rejected take off) because the threat was only perceived but not really there, like in a accidental meet with a person, it will then still run a few rounds just to work the adrenalin out of the body.

@keiyakins Год назад

There's a reason pretty much every thrill ride has a place to sit after you get off. (well, two: it also provides a spot to meet up with non riders after.) Even when it's expected, people often need a moment to reorient and get themselves back in order.

@ryan0io Год назад

I had almost the same thing after almost hitting a herd of deer while driving at night a few years ago. Pulled over safely, got out to check for damage, as it was so close I couldn't tell for sure if I hit anything. No damage, so I got back in the car, but I had to give myself a few minutes afterwards to calm down before continuing.

@Relkond Год назад

8 seconds to update? If memory serves, that exceeds some responsiveness requirements airbus establishes for UI design - things like how long the UI can go without putting up an hour glass or progress bar. A progress bar may not make sense in context of a radar display, but the general idea of indicating ‘this data is not ready’ *should still apply.* Suggestion: when changing the radar display configuration, clearly indicate that the presently displayed information is out of date, and indicate when the first sweep is complete. For example: draw a loose grid of grey+black lines across the display and allow the sweep to clear it. Alternately, always draw a line indicating the sweep progress. Anything, so long as it’s made clear that the radar hasn’t updated yet. This is doubly important as there are factors that can alter perception of time, such as the body’s response to emergencies - don’t trust the user’s internal clock to know when the display updated - tell them.

@kumboharry9117 Год назад

Hey Petter I'm a Cameroonian watching from cameroon🇨🇲 Appreciate your working Covering aviation incidents from all over the world Good job man!!

@piast99 Год назад

I think it would be also good if the weather or terrain radar screens displayed something (a grid, a specific colour) until they have been refreshed after chainging mode or scale. That would also help avoid that incident.

@TheDeadfast Год назад

Completely agreed. I just posted a similar comment before noticing yours. Displaying "all clear" and "not yet loaded" as the same colour is a disastrously poor UX design, in this case almost literally.

@alunesh12345 Год назад

@@TheDeadfast Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.(John 3:16)🥳❤️😁❤️🫂❤️😎

@e.b.95 Год назад

@@alunesh12345 cmon man don't harass people with your cult religion

@RoverTheDog1 Год назад

@@alunesh12345 I'm actually a Satanist sorry

@mrluckyuncle Год назад

Yes… add a spinner icon, for heaven’s sake.

@aaronlopez492 Год назад

Two things a pilot never wants to hear when he's flying, (1) Terrain, terrain (2) your alimony and child support payments have not arrived. Great video mentor pilot.

@MentourPilot Год назад

😂😂

@maryeckel9682 Год назад

"So there's an inset on the chart that's not to scale, but good luck, guys." In landscape design, a scale fault can be an expensive and embarrassing problem, but not a safety issue. Yikes. Add: who else goes 😬 whenever Petter says, "...and that's going to become very important very soon"?

@MrSuzuki1187 Год назад

Very well explained! I am a retired airline pilot so I knew about the escape maneuver and had flown it in the simulator. You have a knack for making very complicated aviation scenarios clear and easy to understand, especially for those who never flew a commercial airliner. Well done!!

@maximillianafrancine1451 Год назад

And for those who usually are more into hair and make up but now somehow are considering learning how to fly. Becoming even willing to give up my 👠s

@MrSuzuki1187 Год назад

@SamuelWright520 Thanks Samuel! Hope you enjoyed the Category lllb ILS Approach to 50 feet. And you might have seen me racing the motorcycle. I put up 168 mph on one race at age 67. Currently still flying professionally on a Pilatus PC-12NG after 29 years at United (retired on 1-14-2015) and 56 years after my first flying lesson. Are you a pilot?

@Alexander-qz6px Год назад

I'm caring for a little crow that a neighbour found and their "design" is amazing, non-rigid wings , wingtips that help counter drag from rotors, self cleaning cockpit windows, hyper-reliable neural-net powered collison avoidance system, stall-free flight down to bicycle speeds,no runways, no gear, but zero-velocity spot landings, they always know where they are and random unregulated trees are not obstacles but actually preferred landing spots ...

@bgezal Год назад

Also auto-brake and thrust reverse.

@johnmcgimpsey1825 Год назад

Amazing platform! And yet I've had that model crash into my living room window more than once - there's always an unanticipated threat out there...

@DavidM2002 Год назад

Yeah, but 777's don't poop on your car... But if they did ???

@jamesengland7461 Год назад

@@DavidM2002 your car would collapse!

@jamesengland7461 Год назад

All defeated by Windex!

@donaldwilson5693 Год назад

I don't know about that decision to level off in the face of constant "terrain" warnings(?). I think I would have relied on TCAS to warn of any traffic above and continued climbing.

@MrNicoJac Год назад

Yup. And especially in that area, there's not many planes in the first place, and who would fly _just_ over that mountain?? (but hindsight is cheating, lol)

@petep.2092 Год назад

Seems a little late to be worried about other traffic. Especially without radar coverage, shouldn't he have told ATC that they wanted to deviate north of the planned IFR route and obtained an amended clearance BEFORE they deviated?!

@redtailarts101 Год назад

Wasn't leveling off to help give them a better climb? So they could escape terrain faster? Edit: nvm I thought you were talking about leveling the wings. I made this comment before that part of the vid (I'm still watching)

@donaldwilson5693 Год назад

@@petep.2092 It did say in the video that the captain discussed with the controller their deviation to the north of course. Generally, in similar situations, a controller will just say something like - "deviations to the north of course for weather approved". In this case, neither the pilots nor the controller had any idea how far north of course they actually were.

@mandowarrior123 Год назад

No, there weren't getting warnings anymore, you can't disobey them. The terrain charts were up so they could navigate properly, they just would have been better off at the safety altitude, though they didn't know what it was at the time. Due to appropriate action they were always well clear of the terrain, the issue was the collision course.

@bw162 Год назад

My uncle, a Pan Am Clipper captain told me after describing to him one of my early aviation “events” said, “if you live through them, it will make you a better pilot.” Roger that!!!

@gcorriveau6864 Год назад

But one with a larger laundry bill! ;-j)

@brendanaustin8757 Год назад

Swiss air 111 would be a brilliant one for you to do . Would you have attempted to ditch the plane in the water knowing there was not enough time to reach an airport?. That would have been one terrifying situation to be in on your own in a dark cockpit filled with smoke.

@moonrust4939 Год назад

This video quality is amazing, i love the downpour scene at about the 17-18 minute area, this incident shows how important situational awareness really is in aviation Edit: i found it, its at 18:32

@MentourPilot Год назад

Thank you! I’m so glad you liked it!

@Wursthaufen Год назад

Excellent Video! It also shows how important all the "little helpers" in the cockpit are and how far avionics have come. You can easily imagine that if this incident hapened 30 or 40 Years earlier without EGPWS/GPWS, the outcome would have been a controlled flight into terrain instead of some soiled underwear.....

@NicolaW72 Год назад

@@Wursthaufen Yes, exactly.

@Piper_____ Год назад

This reminds me of the first time I ever drove in snow. Context: - where I live, snow isn’t super common and people are terrible at driving in it - my mom grew up in an area that gets snow regularly, so I had been taught what steps to follow - the snow came down very suddenly I was picking up my sister from school, and even though when I’d left my school it had just started snowing, I couldn’t see the lines by the time I left her school. There’s a steep hill with a sharp turn right before our neighborhood, and there was a row of cars that slowly morphed from traffic to stuck cars, and I saw a car slide from the oncoming lane horizontally all the way to the shoulder on our side of the road. Slow and steady, I got us back home. I’d handed my sister my phone, and she was texting my mom the entire time. We got home safely, thankfully. I asked if I should park the car in the garage or just leave it on the street, got told to just leave it on the street, and turned the car off. I went inside, and immediately curled up in a blanket on the couch holding my knees and reflecting on what had just happened. Adrenaline’s some crazy stuff, haha. But at least I feel pretty confident about driving in the snow after that!

@user-sj5jh8zt2p Год назад

To anyone: If you’re ever driving and trying to come to a stop but your car is sliding forward on snow, slush, or ice, continuously pump your foot brake until your car stops moving. Also, if you live in a snowy climate, studded winter tires are more pricey but can be life-saving

@Piper_____ Год назад

@@user-sj5jh8zt2p This is never a bad idea, and also know that some cars have anti-lock brake systems (abs), which automatically pump the brakes, so if your car does have those, it is safe to slam on the brakes. Though, again, it’s never a bad idea to pump the brakes.

@TheApp9 Год назад

@@Piper_____ Right, just what I wanted to write. At my younger times I learned the „fake abs braking“ but today Stepp with all force on the brakes and the car still follows the front wheels.

@Piper_____ Год назад

@@TheApp9 The car I was in on that day had ABS braking, but I was still pumping the brakes. Even though I knew theoretically it would be okay, I was pumping those brakes! I’d only learned to drive a few years earlier, but I’d still been taught that ABS was the exception to the rule (it’s actually fairly common these days), and that I shouldn’t rely on it. There was a moment where I started braking multiple seconds behind a van that I’d seen had stopped (right before the huge hill!), and even though I’d given myself multiple seconds of time, I still only finally stopped a few feet behind its bumper. There’s another thing about driving in snow, to anyone who might find this relevant: give yourself serious space, and only come to a complete stop when you must (lest you get stuck). Leaving a lot of space means that even if the person in front of you is stopping and starting, you don’t have to stop fully. It also makes everything safer, and lets you adapt based on what you see the car in front of you dealing with.

@sbeve7445 Год назад

@@user-sj5jh8zt2p As a Canadian, studded winter tire is a must in my book. I recommend it to everyone who is planning to drive in the winter month.

@veenarasika1778 Год назад

When you said that the Captain had collided with another aircraft, while performing a terrain escape maneuver in a simulator session, and the actual flight for which he was PIC , was in a region with no radar coverage, my hairs stood on end. Relieved they got to their destination safely. You mentioned ASSUME in a prior video. Assumptions made during approach briefing, switching between display modes and resolution modes, led to a terrifying but thankfully not fatal situation.

@pfefferle74 Год назад

You would think that ATC would direct any traffic over a mountain or volcano with plenty of HAGL on top of MOCA to provide for the emergency situation that a plane in that region needs to do perform a sudden terrain escape maneuver. Would seem to be such an obvious precautionary procedure to me.

@kgaming7599 Год назад

u love commas

@victorpivagahmacmonsam4482 Год назад

Hello Mentour,I'm a Cameroonian fan of yours and I love the way you describe flying in your simple and easy way.I had actually heard about the incident but didn't get the details of it till now....was at a loss how such an incident could happen on a B777.... Keep up the videos Captain!!👍🏽

@kathleenseibert2996 Год назад

I really enjoy your videos! I'm just a housewife in Pennsylvania, USA. I've only flown as a passenger a dozen times, let alone have any knowledge of how to actually fly an aircraft! I started watching your videos looking for the "gory details." Now I watch because of how much I learn and because of how you break things down to make the complex understandable to someone like myself. You are a natural born teacher!!

@moviemad56 Год назад

Hi @Kathleen Seibert, I'm also a non-pilot who really enjoys learning from Petter's amazing videos. But I just wanted to say - NO ONE is "just" a housewife. We work extremely hard ensuring that people are safe, well-fed, well-dressed, and well-rested, so that they can go out and contribute directly. Our work is just as valuable as theirs.

@ahmedneamah7836 Год назад

@@moviemad56 amen. You guys are the backbone to the next generation. Keep it up

@AssaultedPeanut Год назад

Re: Displays taking time (8s) to update: I feel these should indicate the refresh delay issue with an egg timer indicator and/or countdown to refresh completion.

@tactileslut Год назад

The data from the previous sweep should already be in a buffer, available immediately as if changing channels on a TV.

@jursamaj Год назад

@@tactileslut Actually, when you change channels on a TV, it *doesn't* have the prior frame of the new channel buffered. It has to start with the next frame. In that case, it's only 1-2 24ths of a second to get the new picture up, so you don't notice.

@bikeny Год назад

I hadn't scrolled farther down, but I replied to a newer comment, as he indicated that there should be an indicated, should it be the Windows hourglass or the Macintosh beachball? Egg timer would work too.

@tomasebenlendr6440 Год назад

I totally agree. Even if it was just small led light in the selector - just some visual reminder of some sort that they should wait for update of the screen. Keeping in mind something as trivial as this just distracts users (pilots) from more important things they should be thinking about in high workload.

@DeltaStar777 Год назад

Well handled by the crew in an extremely stressful situation. Very interesting video as always, much better than the Aircrash investigation videos, keep up the great work!!

@MentourPilot Год назад

Thank you! We do the best we can. 💕

@DeltaStar777 Год назад

@@MentourPilot ❤️🙏

@alunesh12345 Год назад

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@360Freaks Год назад

@@alunesh12345 Why do you feel the need to all-caps "Jesus"?

@demetriob.losoha9398 Год назад

I have flown this route between Malabo and Douala so many times in my previous airline, and I can say it’s as challenging as explained. The short flight time (sometimes down to 11 minutes depending on the runways in use), the high terrain around both airports, lack of radar that makes the ATCs life even harder, added to how quickly the area can be flooded with CBs as this area is under the influence of the ITCZ for most of the year (Hard to check the FGSL or FKKD METAR or TAF without seeing CBs mentioned) I look back from a relatively easier place for aviation and I have to say I have enormous respect to those pilots that fly in this area and under these conditions. They are real champions and in most cases they don’t know it. Great video, as always man

@goxyeagle8446 Год назад

Lack of what radar?

@amritlohia8240 Год назад

@@goxyeagle8446 The control towers don't have radar.

@goxyeagle8446 Год назад

@@amritlohia8240 I wouldn't fly over there then

@niconico3907 Год назад

Why did they build 2 airports 11 minutes flight appart from each other. Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to use boats. And how can the ATC do an effective job without radar? Get them a radar.

@JustMe-pt1xd Год назад

@@niconico3907 2 different countries.

@Nobilangelo Год назад

00:28 Those were the very words uttered by the crew of Air New Zealand flight 901, the one that crashed into Mount Erebus in the Antarctic in the 1980s. 'Where are we?' In that case their plane had been programmed to fly the wrong route, unbeknown to them. They thought they were over flat ice, because that was what they had been briefed on, but they were actually flying over rising ground, straight at a mountain.

@anthonyxuereb792 Год назад

I'm impressed by the crew's thoroughness, they knew they faced danger and took their time (wisdom) to assess their flight plan.

@johnmknox Год назад

And then subsequently did not follow it. 😂🛫🌋

@beeble2003 Год назад

I can't help feeling that the approach chart ought to have moved the inset up or down a little. That would have created a break in the flight-path, so it would be harder to mistake it for a continuous map.

@brianbarcus5853 Год назад

I like the videos just as much where nobody gets killed. You cover many aspects of piloting that wouldn't otherwise be talked about and it keeps me always on the edge of my seat for every video not knowing if the plane will come to a safe landing, or crash 400 passengers into the side of a mountain. I never know what you will say, that gives your videos a tension that would not be there if they all ended with death.

@rashkavar Год назад

Interesting video. I'm amazed it takes a full 8 seconds for those navigation screens to refresh. That's a long time, especially compared to the responsiveness we're used to these days in modern computer devices. Might have been acceptable back in 1994 when the first version of the 777 was being designed, but these days, there should definitely be an indicator that the data is loading. Sure the pilots might be trained to know it takes that long, but in a stressful environment like relatively low storm flying like this, it's very easy to just assume you can flip it back and forth quickly.

@aviation2everybody Год назад

Hi Petter, I caught your arrival and departure from Brussels last Tuesday. I was really happy to have seen you!! Hope you enjoyed the VOR approach to runway 07L. Will you fly again to Brussels any time soon?

@MentourPilot Год назад

Hi! We actually had some problems with that approach, I was teaching a brand new cadet at the time and that’s always challenging. 😂 Glad you caught me on camera, I would love to see it.

@nathan87 Год назад

@@MentourPilot suuuuuuuuure ;)

@tktheo9315 Год назад

cool

@spelldaddy5386 Год назад

Major bucket list item checked for you, nice! I envy you

@tc7009 Год назад

@@MentourPilot Yeah Mentour Pilot has a huge sausage that resides between his upper legs

@RWBHere Год назад

Whatever you're using for the graphics in this video, the quality is superb. Thanks, Petter. Good to hear that this close call was not a disaster, and that all pilots can benefit from it.

@lukeorlando4814 Год назад

Microsoft flight simulator 2020 is a stunning beautiful game. And now that the Fenix and PMDG have released their study level tube liners, the cockpits have become very realistic.

@dammtri Год назад

I used to be a big fan of Air Crash Investigation by National Geographic Channel. But your videos, probably made at a fraction of that TV Channel's budget are so much more superior in actual quality and technical detail that when I went back to watching an Air Crash Investigation episode, it felt amateur compared to your videos. The difference is that you bring all your professional pilot experience into these videos while the TV show is just made by regular producers with no aviation expertise. Thanks for your content once again!

@leonb2637 Год назад

It is important to discuss these 'close calls' as pilots can learn from them. To me the PF overadjusted for the thunderstorms by flying to the left. There was good CRM when the GPW alarm went off, letting the FO continue be the lead PF.

@flagmichael Год назад

I agree - continuity means a lot at the moment.

@megitoro Год назад

Another excellent, educational representation of an incident that we can all learn from. The crew were very experienced and competent, the Swiss cheese model is relevant with the factors of a long duty period, no radar and even English as a second language between ATC. From someone who has heard the “whoop whoop pull up”, this episode had my attention. My experience with EGPWS was triggered by heavy rain in a thunderstorm, it was so heavy, it triggered the RA warning for terrain closure.

@haven216 Год назад

Thank you for the amazing longform content!

@MentourPilot Год назад

Thank YOU for watching and supporting the channel!

@mikeevans7381 Год назад

I'm glad it worked out of course but it seems to me like they got very lucky to be a little north of the highest peak. Otherwise it could have been a disaster. nice to hear the pilots talking to each other with respect that doesn't always happen does it? 👍💯🇺🇸

@Ganjabo Год назад

Air Crash Investigation at its best & no repeats over and over again. Love it

@fyrman9092 Год назад

By the sounds of it, this crew tried very hard to prepare for as many of the unknowns as possible.

@Ken_King Год назад

Douala reminded me of Kenya Airways Flight 507...would love to see an episode on that...

@MentourPilot Год назад

I’ll add it to the list!

@pavelavietor1 Год назад

Hello that happened to me near Anniston Alabama USA, big thunder bumpers and a big mountain, after I landed and exit the airport I started to shake uncontrollably, the doctor said it was my adrenaline dissipating , something important I adding everything felt moving very slowly around me. Great Presentation thanks for the memories

@calzman Год назад

Id love to see you do a video on JAL 123. I find that to be the most fascinating flight/crash ever. The way those guys kept that terribly damaged plane up for so long and no one has ever been able to reproduce what they did. They were heroes who fought to the end. I love listening to you explain what happened.

@josephconnor2310 Год назад

Very haunting crash.

@EdgyShooter Год назад

I think it's important to note the other comments made by the crew in the report regarding the EGWPS training. That while it was incredibly useful, it did not address a terrain warning while performing a turn

@stephengrimmer35 Год назад

I have flown (daylight, as a pax but in the jumpseat) several times from São Tomé, via Bioko to Douala, in a little Nord262 turboprop. There are several 7-12,000' volcanoes along the route. I'm surprised that any crew flying regular routes doesn't establish good situational awareness, in advance. Even if it was their first time, I wouldn't just rely on the Jeppesen chart to know what is ahead, left, right and behind me.

@topethermohenes7658 Год назад

So what would you rely on in this situation?

@topethermohenes7658 Год назад

Even if you had a perfect 1:1 scale memory of the terrain, it would still be impossible as you will be missing visual cues as its night time with strong weather. Your sense of movement, speed and time is taken out from you in these kind of situation.

@stephengrimmer35 Год назад

@@topethermohenes7658 yes, but starting out from a simple map reading error that a 15,000 foot volcano is to your 11 o'clock not 1 o'clock was the biggest hole in the cheese, and they did that before even leaving the stand. Night flying and bad weather didnt even come into it. This could EASILY have been an AA965 in Cali. Situational awareness of the local geography would have prevented that.

@stephengrimmer35 Год назад

@@topethermohenes7658 I would know, in advance,when taking off from Malabo and then heading north, that Mount Cameroon is ON MY RIGHT, NOT MY LEFT. If not sure, I would keep my terrain radar on, and also be aware of refresh rates. There are more holes than cheese on this one. Fact remains, an experienced crew with insufficient local familiarity knowingly took off into a series of thunderstorms on a low altitude short hop with no ATC radar, KNOWING there was a 15,000' mountain out there, but seemingly comfortable to not have its exact location in their cognisance at all times. When, following a GPWS you bypass the summit 2'000 below and a mile or so to the side, that is pure luck, not training. Once GPWS sounded they should have climbed to 15,000'+ and not leveled off. They got lucky, after a 1st escape.

@topethermohenes7658 Год назад

@@stephengrimmer35 as I said, in those situations time is lost on you, "on my right, not my left" kind of thought is what will kill you, right not left can be less than 5mins of difference in the speed they were travelling. Well those other things are what will keep your situation awareness for sure, terrain radar, vors etc etc, but NEVER is memory a good basis, thats the reason so many GA non ifr rated pilots have cfit. Even if you had 10 years flying a particular route everyday, a moment of uncertainty is a lifetime.

@JustMe-pt1xd Год назад

I am A Cameroonian and I enjoy your videos.

@fancyfree8599 8 месяцев назад

The captain and officer checking the plane before exiting themselves - true heroes and kept their cool throughout and saved lives. 💙❤️💜

@bearcubdaycare Год назад

Eight seconds to begin displaying after changing the selection or scale? That sounds extremely slow, especially for a relatively modern jumbo.

@MentourPilot Год назад

It’s the same on most aircraft. It updates in a sweeping pattern and the sweep restarts every time you change scale etc.

@valentinaou6579 Год назад

Jumbo = 747

@futonclutch5040 Год назад

@@valentinaou6579 They used to classify the Tristar and the DC-10 as jumbo jets back in the 70's.

@davidwright7193 Год назад

@@valentinaou6579 can also mean a wide body.

@TiptronicSS Год назад

Incredible crew management & also great they were with 3 flight crew instead of 2, because I think you can talk your mind more easily with a crowdy 3 instead of the normal 2 where you would just go along whatever the person next to you thinks is happening / with whatever idea floated first... who knows..

@daniellec2172 9 месяцев назад

I don't think passengers are aware the "short, therefore safer" flight they're on is actually more complicated and potentially a higher workload for pilots than a longer flight. I certainly didn't at least. Learning so much from this channel, much of it unwanted but I can't stop watching lol

@calebcarlin6784 Год назад

Would love to see an analysis from you on Value Jet 592 in Miami. One which cost the director of the FAA his job for failure to implement safety protocol recommendations from the NTSB years earlier

@NicolaW72 Год назад

Thank you very much for picking this dangerous incident up! The incident shows clearly that EGWS can make the difference between life and death in such a situation - and of course the quick and right reaction of the flight crew. In this case they had finally a huge piece of luck - fortunately the FO reacted not immediately to the dangerous command of the Captain.

@AMARINHO03 Год назад

Hi Petter. I hope that you realize how tremendous is your contribution for the aviation's safety. I guess I am not the only cabin Crew watching all of your videos and learning every time the lessons from the stories you tell. I am sure that there are a lot of flight crew and cadets as well. The way you do it is unique and of course with an experienced mentour pilot point of view. CRM, decision making, learning from mistakes and how to avoid them etc. If I can give you one accident for maybe one day..who knows.. Varig 254. That one shows how CRM is an amazing gift for the aviation world and the disaster of when there wasn't any. Thanks for your contribution and I am looking forward for the next one.

@pjabrony8280 Год назад

I feel like radar displays should have some kind of indicator when you change settings that what you’re seeing is old data until it completes a sweep.

@flagmichael Год назад

I personally (as a tech who has repaired a few dozen airborne weather radars in a former life) like the classic display. In olden days the returns were painted as they were received, producing a windshield wiper effect. The returns persisted but faded as the high-persistence phosphor returned to normal. If it were all flashed on the screen at once the data on the left side of the update line would be a full pass old, and in the middle would be half a pass old. When you see the screen in action it makes sense.

@soumyaranjandas2935 3 месяца назад

I watched the blinkist promo on repeat. You nailed it - the build up was hilarious.

@-DC- Год назад

Gold Standard Aviation Content 👊.

@MentourPilot Год назад

Thank you! 💕💕

@shehzadamurthy1983 Год назад

I ended up watching all of your air accident investigation videos in a span of a week. I was waiting for the new video to drop. You tell really engaging stories, from a pilots perspective. i appreciate the effort.

@NealPT Год назад

Seems like Boeing should put some kind of message on those screens when a setting is changed. For example, if you change a setting put "Refreshing" on the screen until it's actually refreshed the screen once.

@Armala-fv2kd Год назад

Thanks for covering this up Petter, I love your channel and have been binge watching for the past several weeks! Thanks to your videos and the quality content I regained my love for aviation and flying after a pretty traumatic flight with heavy turbulence. Now I am as excited to fly again as I was when I was a teen. Greetings from Germany!

@jessijacobs8 Год назад

Another amazing video from the BEST aviation channel ever!! Thank you Petter 😊 ✈️🇿🇦

@bobbrewer5182 Год назад

Per the discussion on the zoom hangout, I have now completed watching the episode, Petter. This is a very fascinating incident, and thankfully had a happy ending. It was also great to have been able to join you all on the hangout for once, which actually gave me some insights into the video before finishing it. Looking forward to the next video. Great work as always.

@MentourPilot Год назад

Thank you for your support on Patreon. It was great to see you in the weekly hangout! Glad you found the video interesting.

@Akshay13134 Год назад

@@MentourPilot how did the comment is one day ago if you uploaded just now

@lostinlife99 Год назад

@@Akshay13134 patreons get a to see the video first by a link

@Akshay13134 Год назад

@@lostinlife99 🆗

@MentourPilot Год назад

@@Akshay13134 because the person commenting is part of my Patreon crew. They get to preview and give feedback to my content before it becomes public.

@rachelgooden9981 Год назад

I just love how engaging his hooks are before the start of videos !

@reznovvazileski3193 Год назад

I'm glad to see an investigation on a situation that didn't end badly. Sometimes we people get so stuck up in learning from our failuires that we forget to learn from our mistakes.

@tomstravels520 Год назад

Newer Airbus models display the MORA on the ND and the vertical situation display on the A380/A350 also help see terrain ahead

@GBOAC Год назад

Sadly these things only get added after incidents like this.

@dirkjanriezebos2240 Год назад

Just as well the first officer ignored the order to level off when they were still in danger. Chances of hitting a mountain must be far greater than hitting other traffic.

@NicolaW72 Год назад

Indeed, exactly.

@borninjordan7448 Год назад

True. And the other traffic would have TCAS.

@I_AM_HYDRAA Год назад

traffic moves mountains don’t

@NicolaW72 Год назад

@@I_AM_HYDRAA Absolutely.

@boke75 Год назад

This channel is by far the best on RU-vid wrt to modern historic aviation events.

@cgrubssarts Год назад

Chance alone prevented this from total disaster!

@MentourPilot Год назад

No, training and procedures did

@chrissscottt Год назад

The captain's instruction to level off the terrain escape maneuver seems like a mistake to me given the risk of hitting terrain was far greater than the miniscule chance of a mid air collision with another aircraft.

@merlin1320 Год назад

I don't think so, he knew they have passed the tip of mount Cameroun when he made that request to the co-pilot because of the instruments and the end of the terrain alarm. He just executed his training.

@ziggyv9185 Год назад

Quality content as always 🤝 I recently flew for holidays since the COVID business relaxed. And having binge watched most likely all of your videos I for the first time felt very easy being on the plane. Was not afraid of take off, the sinking feeling, turbulence or landing, there were even thunderstorms with lighting quite close during the landing in Turkey, and even then I felt confident and safe. In general it felt comfortable knowing how much work the industry puts into safety. So thank you 🤝👊👍

@scottwilson2959 Год назад

You make these incidents so real. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Your videos are so incredibly compelling - they are a must watch for aviation enthusiasts!

@robneil8284 Год назад

Mate - your videos are outstanding. Simple enough to appeal to everyone, while still providing a full understanding of the underlying technical issues. And you are a great presenter. Your videos make their content relevant beyond aviation as well - the human factors aspects that you highlight, apply universally, and the way you present them makes that very understandable. Thank you very much.

@v16powahhh59 Год назад

Great content. I almost thought this was Air France 447 for a moment. Hopefully we see that episode one day!

@TimToussaint Год назад

Honi soit qui mal y pense

@seanmcerlean Год назад

Hej Petter, Interesting one as i had not heard about it either. Close call. Class complete further on Patreon.

@user-rd7zm3vi5y 9 месяцев назад

I love it when you say "that will become important soon"

@bryanstephens4800 Год назад

These videos showcase just how much safer flying become. It is amazing.

@rachelcarre9468 Год назад

Great video MP in sharing risk identification and that regardless of experience we are always at risk from those things we assume. I think another layer in the swiss cheese model could be the sim training the captain had received whereby he experienced a traffic collision after a GPWS pull up. This strikes me as negative training because it made them not to do the immediate action of climbing above the dominant MSA which would have kept them safe and allowed them to rebuild their SA. It also highlights the benefits of putting range rings around obstacles which remain regardless of which display each pilot is monitoring. Thank you for the video.

@ericfielding2540 Год назад

In this case, the terrain escape would have been a lot easier by stopping the right turn and even turning left, but I understand that it is important to have a simple escape procedure and not waste time finding the optimal response.

@IIIlIIIIlIIIII Год назад

It's not just simplicity. If you have gotten into a situation where you have to do a terrain escape manouver then you are already terribly lost; your ideas about which direction to go can no longer be relied on, so the only way to go is up. You also sacrifice climb rate by turning.

@brunoais Год назад

@@IIIlIIIIlIIIII Exactly! Just like Peter (Mentor Pilot) explained some months ago.

@Thedodinaz 9 месяцев назад

Sally and his team, the rescue workers all are heroes. Hats off to all of them.

@andrewpinner3181 Год назад

Thanks Mentour, always interesting & informative. Glad they made it through.

@harlequin75 Год назад

What’s with Air France and flying in thunderstorms 🤔

@MentourPilot Год назад

Good question. The fact is that this incident was due to a multitude of factors and could probably have happened to another airline as well.

@georghaupftink7372 Год назад

@@MentourPilot There's a worrying pattern emerging with AF. I can't prove that statistically but the incidents you've done all seem to indicate a significantly different training methodology to what is standard in the English-speaking world (know nothing about Swedish, German, etc.).

@TimToussaint Год назад

I guess there is a correlation between the colonial past of France (and the presence that France still exercises in its formal colonies here evidenced by the destinations that Air France serves) on one side, and thunderstorms on the other side.

@nothandontuli6159 Год назад

Beautiful content 👌 ✨️ 👏

@MentourPilot Год назад

Thank you so much! 💕

@pelegcohen557 Год назад

Thanks for the video, have a great weekend!

@imblackmagic1209 Год назад

thank you for the video, you always are improving, be it supporting resources or your storytelling, and that's nice to see! keep up the good stuff! thanks again for the amazing video!

@SeriousDiman Год назад

Great to hear all of the safety measures are worked as intended. But for me it was a very strange decision to let this crew proceed this day. After very stressful situation you can not usually concentrate well. I think for Air France - to give this crew a proper rest would not be an end of the world.

@flyeagle320 Год назад

When in played on Microsoft flight simulator I encountered same incident . So I can understand what first officer has gone through in reality 🙏

@fahrimertdincer8421 Год назад

did you crashed

@flyeagle320 Год назад

@@fahrimertdincer8421 no actually

@kruksog Год назад

Your story telling is so good. Even when nothing horrible happens, the tale you spin is still enthralling. Fantastic work.

@johannageisel5390 Год назад

I also hate it when the terrain suddenly starts hunting me and I have to escape. Damn mountains always lurking in hiding to ambush you!

@maesc2001 Год назад

Where am I? A question I faced so often in the days of VFR dead reckoning and pilotage. Fortunately there would always be a good old VOR in the area or a friendly controller offering a QDM; all of this when DME was a strange new thing, and way before GPS of course. ☺️

@gcorriveau6864 Год назад

Call me 'old school' but I always liked to kep the raw data VOR (or NDB! gasp) bearing needles on my displays. Map data shifts were not common, but sometimes did happen... and, more commonly, for just basic situational awareness while 'that other pilot' is tapping route revisions into the box and there are green lines slashing all over the NAV screen until stuff gets cleaned up properly. ;-)

@allexio Год назад

It's crazy how premiere sucks so much. Kept lagging even though I was 4 minutes behind the actual video stream, and then kicked me out when the premiere ended as if the video was over - when for me there was still 4 minutes left....

@MentourPilot Год назад

Exactly the same for me. I won’t use it again

@Taladar2003 Год назад

"Premiere" anywhere near a recommend video means to "don't want this video until that premiere crap is completely gone".

@TheDeadfast Год назад

I never understood the point of that feature. Yet another one of RU-vid's attempts to become like the terrestrial/cable TV, despite the fact that its users come here precisely because it is not the TV.

@cupofjoen Год назад

@@MentourPilot the premiere were supposed to be a smooth feature since the video is preuploaded and that means you don't need to livestream it. I highly bet it's RU-vid's server side having s trouble lately. Scheduled publish always a better option anyways.

@iainmillar1532 Год назад

Really nicely explained. Some great lessons to take on board.

@LizHellsing Год назад

I love the way you setup these videos. You go through all the facts, while still keeping the idea of what they must have gone through mentally.

@bepowerification Год назад

After watching a bazillion of these crash/incident videos whenever I hear "the flight crew was very experienced" I immediately wonder: "what stupid mistake are they gonna make?"

@mnlight3756 Год назад

What’s poppin? Very nice video, good job

@MentourPilot Год назад

Thank you so much! Glad you liked it

@marwanelkalai9036 Год назад

Best series on yt. No doubt.

@Oinikis Год назад

Mentour, I just want to say that your videos are very professional, informative and educational, nomatter what the crowd is flying. Your videos highlight dangers mitigation and importance of planning in flight. Thats something that keeps me thinking more about it, and to think more critically when I am flying myself. I'm no professional, I only fly gliders, but bad accidents happen there too, decision making is the same, and it is important not to get complacent. Thank you for what are you doing, and it is really mentourly of you to do these things for free.