Neat Things We Found in Sonic Battle 

Honestly, when Sonic Forces came out, I joked for some months about it being the long awaited sequel to Sonic Chronicles (since Eggman took over the world in Forces, and Chronicles ends on a sequel bait cliffhanger wherein Eggman took over the world).

On one hand, that kinda sucks because I actually kinda liked Chronicles’ story, at least the things it was trying to do. On the other hand…Angel Island gets completely destroyed in that story, so…yeah, maybe a bit much to commit to.

Wait go back, Chronicles isn’t considered canon? Is that because of the lawsuit?

@@mawdewile According to the Sonic Encyclo-speed-ia, it has been "dropped from official canon", so Emerl's origins are once again a mystery. As for why, since a certain comic writer would most likely try to sue if the story was ever concluded, and considering how the game didn't do the greatest, I think Sega thought it was best to just cut the dangling threads, so to speak. That being said, The Nocturnus Gate is a stage in one of the Winter Olympic Games...

If you want the reason as to why it was rendered non-canon, it's because they can't legally talk about it. In short, there was this guy called Ken Penders who used to work on the sonic comics and became strangely obsessed with the echidna tribe, to the point he created a ton of original tribes and many, many echidna OCs. He eventually got kicked out for trying to claim the copyright for Knuckles. However, Sonic Chronicles the Dark Brotherhood happened to have an Echidna tribe that bore great resemblance to one of the ones he came up with, so he immediately took the opportunity to take SEGA to court. After the legal dispute, both sides agreed to a sort of cease fire on the grounds of Sonic Team never acknowledging Sonic Chronicles and any of the concepts introduced in it ever again.

I mean if the comics are in the same canon, it would be a bit hard for Emerl to appear again...

@@CiromBreeze Yeah lol. I guess the reason I worded it like that was to be like "here's a second thing that isn't a direct connection to Sonic Battle, but is tangentially connected to it"

I had no idea! So cool!

Damn, did you really get all skills? I've been grinding this game on and off for 10 years and I'm nowhere done.

Seriously. One of my major wish collections would be a Sonic Advance collection with the 3 Sonic Advance games and Battle ported to Switch. If I’m being really greedy, I would love slightly touched up visuals/controls with a new character or two thrown in with it, but that is never gonna happen

​@@Camo1177 one can only hope and pray that such a gift can grace us. I'll settle on a port of the advance collection+battle tho!

@@BKChanSaga6767 The Adventure series has been ported several times, but the Advance series is still stuck being a GBA exclusive. I just hope it's not going on the GBA Switch Online service, as I don't want to have to pay extra for my Switch Online subscription just to revisit these games on modern hardware

Did you also go through everyone’s challenge mode?

Thank you thank you

@@mawdewile did Deen Bristow possess you durring that impression?😂

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Emerl was picking up on others' speech patterns, not just their moves, so that kinda makes sense.

Well, it would be more like "got no juice, fool" but yeah

@@TheRealBlazingDiamond No, I know what I said.

@@StarshadowMelody in that case, it would be "not-juice" if the not was on purpose tho lol

It's at a point where Emerl is picking up on english but doesn't fully grasp it quite yet, so him messing up articles does make sense.

I didn't realize there was grammar errors when I played Battle too

I mean, people praise SA2's story despite the awkward translations and terrible audio mixing. Sometimes a game's story is good enough that the presentation having errors is forgivable.

​@@ToaArcan But that's translation

​@@anotheryoutubeaccount5259grammatical errors are also part of translation. It wasn't written in broken Japanese and then translated to broken English. The translation was written wrong

Sonic X definetly feels sadder in the way the scene is composed, but I think Battle's one is a lot easier to feel connected into and feel sad for Emerl Emerl in Sonic X was really simple and basic, as for Battle, all the cast created him, basically raised him since he was like a child, he slowly learned how to talk, to have fun, and got close to everyone, until Sonic had to defeat Ultimate Emerl, so I feel more connected to Emerl in Battle, which makes the scene where he is destroyed more impactful on the GBA

Agrees

And to really drive how heart wrenching Emerl's death was made to be, in the Japanese dub, the very last thing Emerl copied from Cream is her tears. And of course 4kids being 4kids, censored it with oil instead.

Would be nice if Gmerald appeared in X he has a nice relationship with cream post adventure 3, she finds him and takes care of him

*HA* femboy.

Because they translated his name to "Colitas", which was feminine in sound. Also on top of that, many people likely interpreted his tiny open anime mouth in the Sonic 2 title screen as lipstick.

@@SorcererLance Nah, they still called him Tails in Battle, they did call him Colitas in the Spanish Dub of Sonic X but he was still referred by male pronouns there, it was just bad localization, if the English localization is kinda bad the Spanish one is even worse, they even left a lot of stuff untranslated

@@derocross3545 I've heard that they called Tails/Colitas a girl in Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, so there's that.

We don't show ourselves often. But a video like this is a good meeting place, I think.

I'm just happy my memory wasn't just wrong.

Fair points, fair points

I would like to mention whether its emeril or not but in the comics,Emerl is seen with cream,check out the metal Virus Saga specifically. Him being with her is actually in reference towards Sonic Advance 3's either the normal ending,or it's TRUE ending where you fight emerl,or at least a gizoid that absorbed all of the emeralds,if its emerl,it would explain(beside the timeframes of the games releasing like almost a year apart)Why some of the themes are either reused or repurposed,like emerls boss theme being his stage theme from Sonic Battle!

@@BKChanSaga6767 That's not Emerl. That's Gemerl.

@@johnathonturner2279 yeah I see,my bad. Gemerl is the spiritual successor of Emerl

@@BKChanSaga6767 Yeah, those who don't know Battle when getting the true ending to the game, probably won't pick up Tails reprograms Gemerl to be like Emerl back when Emerl wasn't turned to the evil side. Speaking of Gemerl, I remember this one Mario 64 mod starring Cream the Rabbit from the Sonic franchise, where the hub world to get to the level missons in the mod, is the neutral Chao Garden from Adventure 2, and both Gemerl and Cream's mom Vanilla, are present there. I get Vanilla isn't a fighter in any form, but I hate that she's not in almost any Sonic game, being more present in Sonic X than the games. And I hate that the only time we've seen Gemerl, is in Advance 3, but, I guess the fact he isn't in more games than that one, means he's safe living with Vanilla, Cream, and Cheese, as we only get Sonic games when there's a story of trouble going on in their reality

He only calls the creators of Emerl the _"Fourth Great Civilization",_ with no further mention of who they were.

No amount of worshiping a youtuber will make them your friend

Oooo I need to hear this

Actually another tidbit about Emerald Beach, the guitar riffs in the background get reused for Route 99 in Sonic Advance 3

The Mickey symbol is still in the game. Though it IS kinda hilarious that Donald was allowed to get a reference in Brawl, but not in Ultimate.

It's arguable that the stage wasn't censored for Ultimate, since those versions of the backgrounds without Disney characters had already existed as part of Square Enix's marketing for Kingdom Heart's 15th anniversary. As far as I'm aware, Square only focuses on their own characters when marketing KH without Disney's involvement. I don't doubt that there was extra effort or attention in removing other references, but since Sora still got to keep his Mickey keychain, I'm guessing there were some exceptions that could be made.

i played the apple arcade but didn't get to finish it as it was discontinued! it was pretty fun too...

@@Ayacakes95 It was discontinued? That's sad to hear, I only just learned about it too. It doesn't give me the most hope that I'll see it again if that's the treatment it got.

I thought I posted this for a split second.

You can quit out of all of the fight that doesn't require you to win as the condition, tecnically

"Wait, you said this literally a second after I paused, god dang it." Way too many times that happens >_>

I didn't even know that. But does he have Emerl's memories? Cream is the one who taught him to be empathetic and have emotions.

@@artey6671 All we get is a few single images, no text. Just Cream finding Gemerl after the fight, Tails fixing him up, and then Gemerl at Cream and Vanilla's home. And then they never got mentioned again in any story relevant manner.

@@calemr Oh well. Maybe he was upstairs in Cream's house when Blaze visited Cream in Rush.

@@artey6671 Rush may be before Battle and Advance 3 on the timeline. Battle and Advance 3 definitely happen _after_ Shadow the Hedgehog, as Shadow has his memories in Battle, rather than being completely blank like he was in Heroes and his own game. Rush, the other 2005 game, may be a similar situation.

Well, that was what was assumed until IDW came out. There, Gemerl speaks and he's very obviously not Emerl. It's most obvious via comparing his appearances in Archie and IDW, both written by Ian Flynn. Archie Gemerl: Buddy, what I *want* is to live peacefully. But you just had to come to my town and cause a fuss. So, instead, I'll make you rest in peace! IDW Gemerl: Request acknowledged. Proceeding to assist village defences to protect Cream, Vanilla, and family. In Archie, he talks with similar cadence as Emerl's fully-formed self does once he has all of the Emeralds, but before he goes nuts. He's brash and confident and heroic. He has a similar character to Sonic, because that's who raised Emerl, but he's also got Shadow's focus and more serious attitude, in-keeping with Shadow being the other most important person in Emerl's life. Archie's Gemerl is indeed a reborn Emerl, as was generally assumed by the fandom for the 10 years between Advance 3's release and SEGA finally letting Ian actually use him in the comics. In IDW (which we have good evidence is more tightly controlled by SEGA, so may be more accurate to how SEGA see the character), he's a robot. He talks flatly, in an obvious monotone, and drops whole words, describing his own actions before he does them. He's the most generic robot to ever robot. You could give his dialogue to any other robotic character and it wouldn't be out of place. Even the speech bubbles tell a story. Archie Gemerl has rounded bubbles and the same text font as the rest of the characters. IDW Gemerl has square bubbles and a 'techno-ish' font, for lack of a better term.

Man

That's not even the worst part. The ??? skills are even more difficult to get in my experience.

Each code gives you a unique Super Combo card, which are all Ground Power cards that cause Emerl to do a combo of one character's moves that insta-kills anyone hit by all (or in some cases just most, IIRC) of it.

@@artey6671 RNG is a big factor fr

@@calemr o

Yeah, the Japanese-in-English version said "This story-save-data but Emerl Skill will be eliminated", when it's the opposite - story data will be lost, but Emerl's skills will be kept - New Game+ if you will.

3:04 Nah I used action replay codes to get all of the skills. Unlocking them normally takes way to long to do. And yes that is the one of the ??? Aerial POW specials. Crazy that they actually flipped those two languages on the German version.

What is this?! No Chris hate?! Nice!

@@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 I sure as heck didn’t know who he was when I caught these episodes. Maybe the Chris haters would’ve cheered at that moment, but to me, I just got a disturbing scene of Shadow beating up a child pretty bad.

To be fair... that's Gemerl, not Emerl.

@@RippahRooJizah close enough.

@@ivythay4259 "Close enough" is part of the reason why Sonic Chronicles is never going to get a sequel.

@@RippahRooJizah I don't see how that has to do with Chronicles.

@@ivythay4259 You do know what happened, right?

You are most very welcome.

Yeah, but Shroom Kingdom and Dracula's Pad were Always Good locations. Green Hell was Never Good.

gemerl shows up in the comics so they're not completely barred from referencing all these games but chronicles is definitely off limits

@@scrunkore how recently did he show up? It might be that they initially didn't want to touch any of it but are now trying to see what they can get away with

That is why the Advance games have gotten rereleases and references. What you line out just does not make any sense. By that logic, they cannot work with Adventure-related materials anymore because tying into the backstory of SA1 is a BIG plotpoint in Chronicles.

@@lpfan4491 when did the advance games get rereleased? And there's a big difference between using stuff from SA1 which Penders doesn't try to make a claim on and touching anything actually related to Chronicles. I'm not saying that they *can't* use anything from Advance or Battle more that they *won't* because it's too closely related to Chronicles as the direct predecessors to the game. Besides that, there really isn't any plot in Advance 1 or 2 to really use so it's more of Battle and the main thing in Advance 3 that could be used is Gemerl, which he himself is a reference to Battle. I think they might be able to get away with using Gizoids since they aren't like explicitly a Chronicles thing but Penders himself stole Shade's armor from Chronicles and said it was always his from the get go, which again is proving why they probably *won't* touch anything that'll make Penders have a hissy fit again

@@IosLocarth Emerl's expanded origin is not any diffrent than the supposed actual reason behind the SA1 backstory. They are both saying stuff unrelated to Chronicles are a result of and explicitly tied to the existance of the Nocturnus. Penders also iirc only laid claim to the Nocturnus themselves, due to plotline similarities. Advance 3 also rereleased in 2015 in japan for the WiiU. Idk why only there, but it most likely is entirely unrelated to that situration, because then they really couldn't rerelease it anywhere without risking trouble.