Negan's Wives - The Walking Dead Scene AMC Wants You To Forget About 

Woman: is surrounded by walkers Negan: I’ll only kill those walkers if you be my wife Negan stans: he gave her a choice, nothing coercive about that

I'm surprised you missed the line where Negan says something like "I'm not gonna have time to screw any of my wives today, well maybe one" or something like that

Also, the fact that Negan keeps saying he doesn't kill kids. Eventhough Jesus said he killed a 14 year old boy with Lucille in front of the Hilltop back in season 6 ep 11. And was about to kill Carl in the season 7 finale. The writers were trying too hard make Negan as villainous as possible, and forgot the fact that he is supposed to be redeemed in the end.

Also, I could've sworn Dwight asked Sherry when she was in the doctor's office if she was pregnant, so insinuating that the wives were sleeping with Negan

In the comics it is made plain & clear that Negan has sex with his "wifes". When Carl hides in the transporttruck & afterwords kills a bunch of Negans henchmen...Well Negan is impressed & tries to convert Carl to his point of view. He brings Carl up the rooms were his wifes live & flat out states: "Well I always wanted to fuck a buch of chicks & now I can. I am the leader & they need me to provide for them". I mean that fits with the whole narrative of him being a stone cold narcissistic psychopath. Negan is very, very clearly just that, a rapist & also a sadist whom guts & torments people with his "Iron" whilst he loves it...The problem is not any of these things. Negan as such a villain is a GREAT character. However you cannot redeem him. That is the problem. It simply breaks the suspention of disbelief for anybody. A guy who bashed in the head of completely innocent people for no reason & all of the things meanioned above... You cannot credibly write him into being a hero all of a sudden...It is just awfull story telling. It is basicly the case of there is Negan 1 great adversary. Then Negan 2 whom is a comletely different person for no believable reason. BAD story telling is what that is

I feel like if they insisted on going down the Negan redemption line, they shouldn't have made him so unredeemable and evil in season seven, or if they were going to do that then they shouldn't have gone the redemption line. It seems they have taken a third option where they redeem him by retconning some of his story. Thanks for making this video man, so many people have forgotten about this. Despite all the problems with Fear, even they have addressed Negan's behaviour towards his 'wives'.

Honestly at this point the wives thing almost feels like a plot hole. Negan has worked to redeem himself on all other counts of what he's done, but like you said, the harem thing kind of just gets swept under the rug and forgotten about.

The 'wives' conspired to kill Negan through Eugene. Most of their interactions with him are filled with fear and/or hatred in their eyes iirc. Why would the harem be like this if he was just 'talking their ears off'? Smacks of revisionism: to make Negan's transition from heel to face smoother, and because we live in more sensitive times (even than a few years ago, and especially with the socio-political direction this franchise has taken since then).

If the show doesn’t have the talent, tact, skill, or even conviction to try and reference Negan’s wives then they should have omitted that part of his character like they did him beating the stuffing out of Rick just after executing Glenn.

The whole situation done better in the comics where Sherry flat out chose to go to Negan to avoid having to pull her weight while in the show she does it to protect Dwight which already makes her character in the show better than in the comics.

He absolutely had relations with at least Sheri. She was seen getting a negative pregnancy test result from the doctor. He definitely did!

I wish they had planned out the total negan story arch before filming it.

I 100% agree! We need characters from his actually camp (the Saviours) to confront him, killing Laura before they got to interact was ridiculous and the other saviors

It really feels like JDM is so charismatic that even the writers forgot about the bad stuff he did. I'll admit that I forgot about the wives before this video but I think that is a testament to how likeable JDM is in the role. This is not excusing the writing just that they actor is really good.

As someone who stopped watching TWD shortly after Negan was introduced (I think I ducked out after season 7), it is absolutely WILD to hear that the writers have since tried to redeem him. Between all the violence and the "wives" and just EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS MAN, I cannot imagine a world where it would actually make narrative sense to even try to redeem him - he was clearly designed to be a sadistic, uncaring psychopath.

Frankly, it never made sense to me why Rick kept Negan alive at the end of season 8, except for the fact that it was done in the source material. His behavior for 2 seasons should have resulted in his death from Rick, based on the established character traits from all the previous seasons of TWD. I get that the show needed him alive since Andrew was leaving the show, but it’s taken me up until season 11 to really care much for his character. And I’m glad he is still around now, but at the time, it just didn’t make sense, with how evil his character had been portrayed.

I love how Rick and the group brutally killed their way to that hill where Negan was in the season 8 finale. The second Rick gets a chance to kill Negan he decides not to kill anymore. Just an interesting thought. I wouldn’t blame Maggie for killing Negan even though he’s grown on me. It’s easy to forget what he did at this point but if you go back and watch it, it would be completely justified. I think too much time has gone by at this point though. Also, the wives scene always creeped me the hell out too. Hope you had a good Christmas and New Year! 🙂

Great video! Negan is an excellent character (mainly after S8) but a terrible person who has not changed very much. His wives are one of his worst sins but his most overlooked. Even some of the good things he did are either ideal situations or badly timed. Saving Judith was pretty convenient. He’s the only adult that went after her, strange. Killing alpha was badly timed. He killed her after the destruction of hilltop. If he really changed, he wouldn’t have let that happen. As I say, top 5 character still on the show but terrible guy. Better but not redeemed just yet. I reckon he’ll be redeemed in death. If they go down the death route that is. Frankie should’ve had at least one scene with negan before his death. Even Laura should’ve had a scene with him.

As someone who's in the middle of a TWD rewatch (just got to S7) this is PERFECT timing. Thank you for another fantastic video!

I’ve said for the better part of a year that if you’re going to use JDM’s quotes like it’s the word of god you need to take what Sherry’s actress into the same amount. She called it a form of SA, those women, or the ones we were given any sort of arch with, were never able to give enthusiastic consent. We know they had sex bc we see Sherry with a pregnancy test and Dwight’s comment confirms it would have been Negan’s not Dwights. This isn’t the first time they glossed over SA on the show, Shane SA’d Lori in the CDC when he was drunk, what the Governor did to Maggie was SA, what happened to Carl with that Rick rips the dude’s throat out is SA. None of those get properly addressed or talked about except maybe what happened with Maggie. The writers use it as a plot but never follow through with effects of it. If anyone should kill Negan, it’s Sherry.

This is why I'll always be team Maggie.

Thanks for talking about this. I've been wondering about this as well. Good video.

The wives aren't the only members of the Saviors who are MIA. There are still a large junk of them missing.

This topic most certainly slipped my mind thanks to AMC indeed. I'm also the guy marking the 100th like on this video!

Awesome just when I needed an awesome video to watch

Being honest, I'm surprised they killed off Frankie as a pike, and didn't just leave her fate unknown like the blonde and black haired ones. (Sorry don't know their names). But I did think it was cool that Eugene cared for Frankie a little, because obviously during his time in the Sanctuary we did get to see him talking to Negan's wives and obviously grew quite fond of them. Good vid. Doubt they'll address it tho.

i StOpPeD WaTcHiNg WhEn ThEy KilLeD GlEnN

I get why JDM has his own head canon that Negan didn't touch his wives, no one wants to play a rapist, but there's little question in my mind regarding the show's clear implication that he has sex with his wives. Coerced sex is still rape (legally speaking in the US at least). Honestly I think the show could've done without his harem without any lessening of his villainy. I have a feeling if the show ever addresses it, it will be to retcon the implication and I'm kinda okay with it.

Nut tappin is all you need to redeem yourself

At this point, if you've forgiven Negan, it's either because you think everything he did is justified, or you've forgotten about it, or he still think he was abhorrent but he's so damn charismatic that you just ignore it, especially since his redeeming actions lately. And if you haven't forgiven Negan or at least are unable to look past the fact of the terrible things he did and you don't like his character, it's because you can't forgive him and think the protagonists are so much more justified

Negan's ''redemption'' is a bit too much like Darth Vader's ''redemption'' to me. I do not agree that killing the Emperor makes up for hacking to death small children and I do not agree that season 9 and 10 Negan makes up for all of the torture, murder and (possible) rape he has indulged in. Although at least with Negan he has done more to try and earn it than Vader I guess.

Great video, too many people forgot about this

Yeah, I would like to know how the surviving wives react to Negan's redemption

I assumed from the comics that he did exactly what's implied in the show.

what does episode a and b mean?

I enjoyed season 7 for the most part but I did not like the extended focus on his wife's in the TV series as it made Negan look beyond evil however in the comics, it's stated through Laura that Sherry was happy to abandon Dwight for Negan and that she was climbing the ladder (or something like that) which helped me kinda look past it... either way it's pretty fucked up in both mediums regardless

The show forgot about them too!😂

Omg soooooo true! I say this all time!!

Some people's thinking here is very strange. Magic: The Gathering community didn't want a Negan card because of the possible raping of his "wives", not because of all the murdering people that he did, like the murder of Glen! Others here are more upset over the possible raping of his "wives" than the murdering he did. Negan is redeemable from the murdering, but not for the raping? Sorry, but some of this thinking makes no sense.

I totally forgot about the wives

He also offers one of his wives to Dwight. People might claim this was just a test, but he still makes the offer.

I honestly didn’t know that people really cared about this. Negan was a piece of shit, in every way possible. That isn’t news to me, He had his own rules and they made sense to him. Assuming he did have sex with him (which I always thought was 100% clear) I don’t think he saw it as rape in his eyes. (Obviously it was) Further evidenced by when he killed the guy who tried to rape Sasha. He saw that as rape but didn’t see what he was doing as that. It’s kind of a major part of Negan’s character: hypocrisy. For some reason we as a society especially in the west are perfectly ok with someone bashing someone’s brains in in fiction, but we’re not ok with rape. I’m not even getting into the whole debate of which is worse. But obviously they’re both atrocious things in the real world. But in fiction one seems to be held to a different standard. Totally agree they definitely should address this though.

the only reason i don't think so is because i remember is in season 7's finale he killed david for trying to rape sasha and he said it was unacceptable and was against the rules, but yet again, i hope they address it cause this does seem odd as hell .

Another great video, Joshy Josh! Surely the writers for the main show will address this in some way. I just wonder if Chambliss and Goldberg were in charge of writing this, what a shitshow would come of it... Great video! Cheers from Brazil.

Speaking of Negans wives, Amber's boyfriend is named Mark. I wonder if there's another Robert Kirkman property with a young couple named Mark and Amber.

Negan is just Homelander without powers

Idk, he doesn't need to commit sexual assult to be deemed as violation. He already does sorta with kissing and holding them in a situation where they can't say no, coerced consent doesn't count and everything he does is coeced with the the exception of Annie who seems to like him more than most. If anyone I think it's most likely she was more his wife then any of them. Despite that, Megan's victims should of had a chance to confront him and find even minor closure.

The show does want you to forget the forced "marriage" thing. But I feel basically not addressing it is a larger fail.

Very true

We still haven’t seen Amber since season 8

I do wonder if JDM looked like a bridge troll if some people would be so quick to forgive/forget his "wives" that were coerced into being with him. That's a major plot hole that should've been addressed. Although watching his redemption arc is interesting, for me I just feel insulted by the writers. That's definitely something, although no way to justify, that should've been addressed.

Let’s not forget that negan also offered up his wives as a “reward” to Dwight.

yet another reason why i will *_ALWAYS_* hate negan

Truee

The show walks a bit of a line here, I think it's hard for show Negan because they made him more unreasonable and wrong Rick's group in far more ways. In the comics Negan is displayed as far more of a Joker instead of just a prick, he's far more reasonable to the point where he doesn't retaliate when Rick smacks him up and more importantly in the comics Negan's wives seem to have had more of a choice and only did it to not have to work for food.

Partial redemption. That’s the key. Negan can never undo what he’s done. As someone who’s favorite character in fiction is Jaime Lannister….. I get why it’s weird to “like” Negan but it doesn’t mean you excuse earlier actions!

I could of sworn I remember him saying he always liked the idea of having multiple wives, though I might be merging that with the comics. It is strange, since he himself said he despises rape near the end of season 7, yet multiple times has said he screws his wives. Maybe it is like a Berlin situation on money heist/La casa de papel where some of the women slept with him out of fear, and he allowed it, but that still feels wrong and sounds wrong. I admit I like Negan, and they did do a good job on explains a lot of his reasons on doing what he does, like killing a few of the many to send a message, and his fondness for looking after kids, a sentiment shared by his Lt. Gavin. I do think they do need to address this, because it always bothers me they never bring it up. Here’s a question though, when sherry comes on to FTWD, is it worth watching? I liked her character in TWD, and I’m curious if she does anything in her new show with Dwight.

personally that line where negan says "I'm not gonna have time to screw any of my wives today, well maybe one" was more of a line to piss off people off.

"I saw that bitch coming from a mile away. She was a ladder climber in the worst possible way." That is what the writers ignored in the adaptation. Obv Sherry is very different in the comic but some must have been like that.

I always perceived it as coercion and they could say no to sex but negan probably expected sex

Sherry and dwight in ftwd talked about going back and killing negan for what he did

Magic the gathering community will be outraged about anything, fuck them. But other than that this was a good video.

Nothing really to address. Such scenarios would be common in a post-apocalyptic setting of any kind as they have been throughout history for the same reasons- exchange of sex or other services for security and protection, and even power over others, and status as the mate of the powerful. And it will still be almost always men offering that protection, power and status, but perhaps as heirs of more enlightened times their mates will come in greater variety than just women, and occasionally some powerful woman will have whatever harem she wants as well. Michonne could have pulled that off. The motives of the harem members will be as varied as they always were- survival, food, comfort, money, social status, power over others, and they will compete with one another and ally with one another to exclude newcomers or others not desired for inclusion, as has always been done. In a post-apocalyptic setting as these new social institutions and behaviors are being established, hereditary status and legal no option won't yet play into their circumstances, but could do so eventually, so the choices people make could really affect any heirs they have pro or con. If harem membership or other service role is the only way to avoid death, of course, then it's also the only way to even have heirs. But in these early times, there's a lot of choice. Those who can kill walkers for themselves will have more options than those who need help. Or, at least, all benefit from fellow combatants, but pulling your weight in walker-killing gets you more status than just waiting for help.

Since when did he redeem himself? Show ended at season 9 episode 5 for me. He ended up hanging himself in my canon or everyone was like, "okay, Rick's gone, let's kill the shit head."

At this point what’s there to talk about in the show to address this? Years have gone by at this point what would they possibly say about his wives at this point and time

Negan is my favorite character, but, yeah. He definately slept with AT LEAST Sherry. Remember the scene where Dwight walked in to the doctor's office and the doctor was checking to see if Sherry was pregnant? I don't think she would have been having that sort of procedure being done if Negan didn't have sex with her.

Negan used to be my favourite character after Glenn died but the show writers and Negan fans have quickly turned me off to him. Which is sad because it isn't Jeffrey Dean Morgan or Negans fault. It's his shitty fanbase that is nauseating.

im pretty sure there was a scene where sherry looked or held a pregnancy test. anyway it is insinuated that negan slept with these women. while I love jdm, I think he took it too personally. he played a fictional villain and him straight up denying that what negan did was rape has led to so many shit consequences. I've seen some stans take it so far as to even deny the existence of coercive rape (all over a fictional character...yikes) ill never come around to negans redemption because a lot of the evil shit he did gets swept under the rug. i find a lot of his current writing to be forced. it feels like the writers have to do the absolute most to make him look good because they don't want to confront the possibility of their golden character being a rapist (which he is). id be more open to his character if his previous actions were addressed

I feel like he should just acknowledge that Negan did sexually assault them by basically giving them no other reasonable choice I don't think that really "ruins his redemption", it's clear it came from a place of ego and show of power rather than just pure violence and pure power as a more "brutal rape" would be, he was high on his own ego and let himself be convinced that he had earned it, considering the trauma and harsh place the walking dead world is I don't exactly judge him too harshly on it, trauma can lead us in really weird paths, thus why a lot of male rape victims end up being rapists themselves, but I'd prefer if the show acknowledged the monster he was before trying to redeem him. I still think they could have redeemed him properly, as long as they don't pretend that he was just a big meanie who had to get shit done like Rick was, except meaner. He was clearly a monster.

I liked psycho Negan. This beach that he became irritates me

But then you got the whole David/Sasha situation, shit just doesn't make sense

I at first thought that Negan's view of rape is skewed. Of course you would view a woman who is tied up and defenseless and a man forcing himself on her is rape, that's why he killed Dave for it. But his wives probably just didn't put up a fight because their actual husbands were at risk, so he doesn't view it as rape. That's the darker side of it. But now that we're seeing a new "redeemed" Negan, I'm choosing to go with he didn't have sex with any of them, and more than likely just liked them to just be around him because they were pretty women. Like he said to Eugene: "No sex, that is a grave no no. However, you can have a little dinner, some drinks, share a few laughs...there is nothing like beautiful women who smell good to make you feel human again." I would like to think he applies this to himself as well. Also, when Dwight and Sherry are having the conversation in the hallway and he asks her if Negan is treating her good and she says yes. Ofc, she could just be saying that so Dwight doesn't worry, but like I said, I'm choosing to believe. Also, all the times he makes sexual remarks about women is probably just to rile others up/ talking out of his ass In conclusion, if Negan is actually as good as the show is trying to make him, I think his his harem is nothing more than young pretty women he feels bad for. He probably views them as too weak to fight and too pretty to do any hard work, so their job is to just sit there all day and look pretty for him. At the expense of their husbands of course. This is sounding kind of like I'm in denial but since nothing is confirmed I can be as delusional as I want lol, Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

The show like it did with many aspects of the comics completely ruined them sadly unlike in the comics where the saviours got to govern themselves in the show they got reduced to near slaves and wiped out in revenge killings

"I love Neegan" ....then makes a video that proceeds to bring this up.

It does seem like a plot hole, but in many ways I don't think Neegan is supposed to be fully redeemed. He is a sociopath with weird connections with kids, and random people at times, and we are supposed to hate him but also see some sliver of humanity in him. That was why (in my mind) Rick couldn't kill him, because that sliver of humanity reminded him of himself. I think this is what the writers are trying to do with his character. Fully redeemed characters are boring anyway.

I love that Judith and negative are "friends", negan clearly cares about her and imagine saving the kid of the guy that slit your throat and put you in prison for 5 years I think he is redeemable In a way

It's possible the wives were just there for status, which is why they had to be good-looking. Furthermore, they're hostages to keep men like Dwight loyal.

That’s always been an issue with the tv adaptation. It never spends enough time explaining the rules and providing context like the comic does. It’s shitty and frowned upon, but the wives are there by choice.

It’s literally weird how people like worship and Stan him. 🤢

Negan used coercive control over the women in his harem, which is a more covert form of violence and abuse. Notice that when he talked to Amber about how she can leave if she wants to, the tone of his voice was threatening. He manipulated her into staying by saying that there were plenty of girls waiting to take her place, meaning that she's expendable. Her immediate response was that she will stay, she apologised and then affirmed her "love" for Negan, who has a very pedestrian understanding of what counts as violence and abuse against women.

There’s literally a line where he talks about having sex with them. So I’m guessing he did.

Everyone questions the raping but no one is bothered by the murdering?

Okay well we know for certain that there was definitely a sex element to Negan's harem. For one, the scene where Sherry is being checked for pregnancy (Dwight witnesses this, looking upset, and the connection is implied.) For another, Negan offers Dwight the opportunity to sleep with one of his wives. Now... again... it's also implied that Sherry might have feelings for Negan, so maybe that's why they were sleeping together, so what JDM tweeted could still be true. Technically speaking - since everything else sexual about the wives could just be Negan loudly bragging or saying out-of-pocket things to appear more tyrannical and intimidating.

4:15 Negan sent people after them ONLY because Tina had agreed to marry him, he gave extra rations and all the perks of being a wife, they took all that PLUS what they stole from the infirmary and escaped. They didn't just leave, they robbed. Of course Negan would send people after them. 4:20 That guy I don't remember him, gotta rewatch what his reason for leaving was.

There is zero wrong with a Man having multiple wives.

Negan doesn't deserve a redemption arc

Well I choose to blame the writers and move on. Problem solved.

Never watched the show to be honest, & glad I didn't.... The 1st time I watched a clip it was of N. saving that wm from being Raped. I thought 🤔 maybe this is a cool dude, then I see comments which introduced me to his wife's.... & Than his death.... I needed to see his death scene it wasn't satisfying after seeing his prisoners/wifes... But yeah ur right his character will all was be known as a R.est but The scary part is that, it's actually art imitating life, ppl will deny actively deflated or hided from the harsh truth of this world to keep their rose tented glass about ppl they idolize on.. It was heavily implied he R.ed his prisoners/wife's he tortured everyone around him especially his prisoner/wife's loved one's knowing he has them captive... Than to torture them w on going abuse even if it didn't happen to be told someone u love is being tortured psychological abuse because ur imagination is ur worst enemy... But ppl arguing he didn't R. them wm & one girl has already proven this world is doomed... They had a choice? Eat cow shit Or be trapped in a porta potty while eating 💩 cow but if u don't ur loved ones will die......

I see women being brutalised on more and more web series these days, it makes me sick, and I am not even a woman. How do these things even go past the censor board is something I never understood.

Despite Negan killing one of my favourite characters in Glenn I personally think he has redeemed himself through out Season 9 and 10, he has became one of my favourite characters. My reason to defend Negan is that in the scene between him, Sasha and the other saviour, the other was clearly going to do something with Sasha and so Negan stopped/killed him and seemed disgusted by that act that the saviour was going to do against Sasha. Although the line between him and Rick in 7x4 was an odd one if he is against that act.

This conversation needs to happen on Billy with Stranger Things. Not with the same topic but that Billy is very much a bigot. But noooo you mention that online and the little fangirls go wild about it.

Well he did stab a guy in the neck for attempted rape

I doubt Amber was going to literally end her life just so she wouldn't have to talk to Negan, makes no sense. His tweet was literally just a lie. He knows her character and the others were getting raped by him.

Calling negan a rapist is probably a bit harsh considering how mad he got when someone tried to rape sasha! The idea of a women being uncomfortable with sleeping with a men but lets it happen shouldn’t be considered as rape! Rape means i say know, he does continue anyways and this kind of behavior would be pretty out of character for negan. I bet he slept with his wifes yet i don’t think any of them dared to tell him „no i don’t want to sleep with you“ i don’t think he would have punished them for doing so either since as we saw he really hates raping as a whole! Them being scared of him and him knowingly or unknowingly using it to sleep with them is another story! Yet that aint no rape or abuse! Its like you said an asshole not respecting women! Which is something to criticize but not even close to rape or abuse

Interesting that people focus so much on this and literally never talk about how Alpha literally forces Negan to have sex with her at gunpoint…

These ppl realise that this is a TV show and not real, right?!?

6:40 Lmao literally the two on the right are what I wouldn't call "extremely hot/attractive".

Yeah, i believe the writers didnt know where Negan was going so they wrote themselves into a corner with the harem but indeed they showed no rape so they could sell shit about it i guess or even come out and say he was a bad man at the moment and people can change, that it was a thing he could never forgive himself for, i mean if we can accept all the shit he did even torture, murder of innocents and slave Daryl, why is rape different? Because its a touchy subject in our society today? Thats quite selective dont you think? Even as a villain Negan managed to be loved and hated which is always good in a show, the actor did a great job the writers too, i swear to god at some point i though they were about to write maggie and negan into a relationship the way their scenes played out but thank god they didnt , i dont think it could ever work, what came next for negan was forced and rushed i think but whatever. Maggie's writing was wobbly at best in my opinion, battle hardened and mentally strong one moment, a complete crying screaming wreck the other...

Negan kills one of his enforcers who tried to rape one of the main characters

Hilarious the guy was walking around bashing people's heads in cutting guts out brutally tortured people and who knows what else he has done. But yeah he can't be good he had a harem.