The Walking Dead Episode 4 ALL ENDINGS - Save Tripp Or Save Ava, Shoot Joan Or Take Clint's Deal

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The Walking Dead Telltale Series Season 3 A New Frontier Episode 4 All Endings & All Final Choices - Save Tripp Or Save Ava, Shoot Joan Or Take Clint's Deal - Gameplay Walkthrough (No Commentary Playthrough Let's Play) Episode 4: Thicker Than Water
My full game walkthrough part 1 and until the ending will include the prologue, a review, all game movie cutscenes, all season 2 flashbacks (Kenny, Jane, and Wellington), all characters, all choices and alternative choices, all episodes of the Walking Dead Season 3 A New Frontier The Telltale Series for PS4, Xbox One and PC - Episode 1: Ties that Bind - Part 1, Episode 2: Ties that Bind - Part 2, Episode 3: Above the Law, Episode 4: Thicker Than Water and Episode 5: From the Gallows along with the season finale and ending of the single player.
Characters in episodes: Clementine, David and Javi, Mariana and Gabe, Kate, Tripp and Conrad, Eleanor and Paul Jesus, New Frontier members - Ava, Max and Lonnie, Clint, Joan and Badger
Gaming system:
Video card - Asus nvidia GeForce GTX 760 DC2OC 2GB GDDR5
CPU - Intel Core i5 4670 - 3.4 GHz (3.8 GHz boost)
RAM - 8GB DDR3
Operating system: Windows 7 Utimate 64 bit
Video is recorded with nvidia Shadowplay software.
Video settings used in game: 1920x1080 1080p, Ultra Settings

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@karmapotato5048 5 лет назад

Here's what annoys me, this choice is just like Carly or Doug in Season 1, pointless. No matter who you save, They die. And I hate it

@user-ob4zl5mj9p 4 года назад

they even have the same lines

@winstonsupardi4732 4 года назад

That’s telltale my friend

@hlgask 4 года назад

At least Carley/Doug sticks around for 2 more episodes. There was even a build up to their death. Meanwhile Ava and Tripp die in the very next episode. You can tell how rushed Ava's death is.

@mirkopulgar2003 4 года назад

This whole season is pointless. If it weren't for Clem, no one would have bought it.

@redwing1766 3 года назад

Same with Tripp

@tgslayer4774 5 лет назад

10:58 Kate hears Javi perfectly well. 21:38 Kate can't hear a damn thing!

@ljgv2 4 года назад

Those fucking ghost decisitions make me hate this kind of games.

@ignacioduplan8422 4 года назад

@@ljgv2 ikr

@hoy5570 3 года назад

@@ljgv2 telltale's the walking dead

@Ignisan_66 2 года назад

Telltale in a nutshell.

@madmeadow 2 года назад

I love how surprised Eleanor is when Javier chooses to save Ava over Tripp. Like maybe you shouldn't have sold him out then??

@cocob0l0 Год назад

Or how sad she is when Tripp is killed if you chose to save him. Like fuck off, that’s what you get for selling out Javi!

@fluff_pup8091 Год назад

And in the works of this game, it is said that Eleanor was originally Joan's daughter 😓 and the game was meant to take place in a goat ranch. And Dr. Lingard was meant to be the main villain. And the brands that were on the people's necks and arms were originally branded from the goat ranch called Capricorn ranch. And the list goes on and on. It would have been better, not great but better.

@MazSix45 7 лет назад

Killing Joan was no where near as satisfying as killing Carver was.

@furious3383 6 лет назад

Scarface 927 Carver was the classic case of a bully.

@Arshman230 6 лет назад

Scarface 927 z

@slvrrgld9 5 лет назад

Carver has a beautiful face now

@CareerTalks 5 лет назад

Kenny ruined his face man

@kreta7450 5 лет назад

Khaza Academy Id rather see that smashed face rather than his shitbird face for what he did

@javinmel 6 лет назад

If Kenny was still alive. He would’ve repeated what he did to carver to Joan. That would’ve been great.

@cameronthorne7778 6 лет назад

javinmel He has a possibility to be alive, if in season 2 you let him kill Jane and then go into the twin without him, he disappears, so he is likely still alive in 1/5 cases

@cameronthorne7778 6 лет назад

javinmel That is if there are 5 endings to season 2, I forgot but I'm pretty sure it's 5

@javinmel 6 лет назад

I’m pretty sure if you let Kenny kill Jane. Then leave Kenny. Kenny would be alive.

@dragonslayer8782 6 лет назад

javinmel no if u keep Clem going with Kenny he dies by flying out a windshield and got paralyzed got killed by walkers

@javinmel 6 лет назад

That wasn’t my point. What happen if you let Kenny kill Jane. But then leave Kenny. Whould he still be alive? Their are 4 different endings you can choose after the fight of Jane a Kenny. Either you shoot Kenny. Then go with or leave Jane. Or let Kenny kill Jane then either go with him or leave him. What would happen to THE CHARACTERS IF YOU LEFT THEM SEASON 6

@ZonnexNecton 4 года назад

Choose Save Ava: "What's wrong with you, Javier?!" Choose Save Tripp: "What's wrong with you, Javier?" This series is nothing more than "damn if I do, damn if I don't" scenario. Make up your mind!

@grunkythegrandpaofcheese5241 4 года назад

That's especially true for the Frontier. You can't begin to imagine my seething hatred for this fucking season.

@alfeas6728 4 года назад

I FUCKING HATE EVERY GAME THAT TELLTALE MAKE SAYING EVERY CHOICE THAT I FUCKING MAKE IT WILL SFFECT THE STORY In the first game lee dies you can’t do anything about Second game that pregnant lady will die no mater you choice to leave right away or rest and the Russian if you steal or don’t they still want to kill and the Russian wearing glasses still have grudge on Clem the only thing that matters is in the ending The third is basically like the second doesn’t give a shit what you expect in some of episode 5 fucking useless piece of shit

@ghostplasma5590 4 года назад

@@alfeas6728 Not True Season 3 has the best choices in the series. Just look at Conrad. Conrad can die 3 different ways througout the story or survive till the end.

@flegis123 4 года назад

@@ghostplasma5590 I agree...

@flegis123 4 года назад

@@ghostplasma5590 how to make conrad survive can you help me?

@TheOtherDiscord 2 года назад

If you shoot Conrad in episode 2, the dialogue for when you choose to save Ava is different. Tripp responds with "Oh, there's the Javi I know! Backstabbing, double crossing, no good, dirty FUCKING murderer!" It wasn't in the video and I haven't seen any comments mentioning this so it felt like an interesting fact to mention

@tjhinkangcau3878 2 года назад

Joan : Such language 😂😂😂

@warzoneclipsanmoments8446 Год назад

You don't even have to shoot Conrad. Just treat him like shit the whole time

@cutemuffin7060 5 лет назад

*...I* *Miss* *Kenny.*

@rykerirontooth 5 лет назад

*Lee has joined the chat*

@powerbite3127 5 лет назад

I miss lee

@hozuko4684 5 лет назад

@@powerbite3127 me too

@s8gamingshorts921 4 года назад

Clementine has left the chat

@Wulfahlicious 4 года назад

*Tripp joined the Chat.*

@owenbledsoe83 4 года назад

Joan: I'm evil!!! Carver, Larry, Lilly, Norma, and Abel: Hold our beer.

@kingdomofprussiaball7438 4 года назад

Larry wasn't evil. He was just an asshole.

@collapsedpuma 4 года назад

yep lily was a big pain in the butt

@heroic9631 4 года назад

And Norma’s brother

@Arena1999 4 года назад

Larry being an asshole to Lee didn't make him evil. Norma is a fucking victim in the miniseries. It's her sadistic brother that's truly the villian.

@artemorekhov8040 4 года назад

Norma, Larry and Lilly (S1) are not much evil.

@derassvonandreas144 6 лет назад

its eleanors fault that this happened..

@exoticshadowz9088 6 лет назад

der ass von andreas I think people know that

@IbarraAlejandro 5 лет назад

Yeah lt's her fault.

@geezerdgeez4270 4 года назад

I literally trusted her in the game and she did that

@artemorekhov8040 4 года назад

Fun fact: Eleanor was originally supposed to be Joan's daughter.

@kryo4491 3 года назад

She looked like a good waifu too

@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii3048 4 года назад

Javi: Go to Hell Joan! Joan: *Goes to hell*

@laiba-cheng3736 4 года назад

0% Serious lol 😂

@_ZackTheSnack_ 6 лет назад

Why does Gabe have to give his commentary on EVERYTHING.

@abbyfr 5 лет назад

GABE IS BEST BOI GABE IS LIFE GABE IS LOVE

@tgslayer4774 5 лет назад

@@abbyfr Gabe is Gay!

@stupidt3232 4 года назад

@@tgslayer4774 if he's gay why is clemintine sad when he dies. Because they were dating. Plus nothing is wrong with being gay

@tgslayer4774 4 года назад

Stupidt I can see you’re a realist.

@stupidt3232 4 года назад

@@tgslayer4774 what

@furious3383 6 лет назад

Joan got off easy compared to Carver.

@Prod.Y0UNGV3LL08 5 лет назад

Clint says we don't murder in Richmond as he let's JOAN Kill either Ava Or Tripp

@avery5769 4 года назад

Maybe he changed his mind after

@Prod.Y0UNGV3LL08 5 лет назад

I wish the option to save Tripp or Ava was actually truth

@nihil6886 2 месяца назад

Both die the same. Every character on this series that you have a option to save will day, write that

@TheWraithSummoner 4 года назад

Telltale in a nutshell : no matter what you do, the story will always follow a linear path.

@francesco6777 Год назад

fr, so disappointing

@inwit594 4 месяца назад

The PLOT is set. The STORY is not. Learn the difference, people.

@mderoos5052 7 лет назад

Soo there is No good ending thay all lead to the same outcome Classic telltale

@PrenticeCo1 7 лет назад

Fnaf Gamer If all choices mattered they would have to make multiple storylines which would take development three times as long and probably wind up being super confusing and also shit. They add the choices to make the game more immersive, otherwise it wouldn't even be a game, it would pretty much be a movie. Give them a break.

@justynagaecka9275 6 лет назад

Ben Prentice true. I for example created own story and chices metter. But its difficult to create story where ALL choices metter

@elijahproto 6 лет назад

Ben Prentice Fuck development time Detroit: Become Human began pre-production in 2013 i'm pretty sure and a lot of the choices mattered in that game and it's pretty fuckin' cool. Look, if they spent a little more time on that game and made some choice where if you pick up a gun that's hidden somewhere you can just shoot Joan before she kills someone and that would make the story a lot better AND it doesn't change the story too much if Ava/Tripp still dies on the car crash (Preferably Ava because Tripp is a sexy man.).

@BlackChad792 5 лет назад

Detroit: Become Human is a masterpiece... sadly PS4 exclusive, but still. Choices matter in that game. There are many different endings and outcomes

@MizanQistina 5 лет назад

The outcomes is not the point...for example, take the deal, then everyone see David kill Joan, so the blame of the aftermath is on David. Same thing if choose to save Tripp, David see where his brother loyalty is. All those "XYZ remember this/that" is what matters, it is about how those characters perceive your character, not about the outcomes at all.

@isaaclozano2107 2 года назад

Just a reminder that Kenny is technically still alive if you stay at Wellington and he goes off by himself

@hyukarismo Год назад

Nope, he's not alive. Telltale has already talked about this.

@warzoneclipsanmoments8446 Год назад

@@hyukarismo they never confirmed whether he died or not. They even said he disappears after season 2 when you stay at Wellington. They never confirmed whether Kenny died or lived so don't spread misinformation

@alanbrito141 Год назад

You see his car crashed when clementine goes alone, so he's dead

@BannyTheMan Год назад

He forget to wear seat belts again but I still like to think he's alive at Wellington ending bc telltale really likes messing up characters

@Davidsmee 11 месяцев назад

@@BannyTheManWell I think Kenny’s dead at the Wellington ending as well, apparently Kenny commits suicide by drowning himself in a lake when he leaves Clem and Aj behind at Wellington. Which kinda makes sense cause his goal was to find a safe place for Clem and Aj to survive and become normal children.

@owl4356 7 лет назад

Joan is worse than Carver.

@TheWarwolf102 7 лет назад

Yeah, not Clint, leave him out of it. Damn David

@H.K.5 6 лет назад

I love Clint, he reminded me of Lee. He's better than Lee in my opinion. Best walking dead character ever.

@saihikaruno 6 лет назад

Hamza Khaliq clint look like he is the guy from watchdogs

@afk3957 6 лет назад

Hamza Khaliq how, are you fucking stupid?

@littlemike8895 6 лет назад

Carver maybe evil but joan was way worse

@masterjustin2246 5 лет назад

Clem is just looking at Javi while trying to make a choice like, “Any Time now” Lol

@wissywoo7068 3 года назад

I love how NONE of these choices mattered in the next episode

@chair7261 5 лет назад

I love the fact that they let you take cover behind those bastard civilians

@royalroses3473 5 лет назад

Thanks to Eleanor *For being hypothetical*

@Santouryu3 6 лет назад

19:21 Joan will remember that. xDD

@user-oz5vh2fw9r 6 лет назад

Santouryu3 I think she can't remember that.... she's gone

@dragonslayer8005 5 лет назад

콜라거북이 she will remember that in her afterlife

@thewonderofmonstrosity2699 5 лет назад

jeez that's brutal

@KelovindaG 5 лет назад

@@thewonderofmonstrosity2699 it made me happy

@thewonderofmonstrosity2699 5 лет назад

@tashaglam4824 6 лет назад

Joan will kill whoever you choose to save, because she apparently wants to "teach you a lesson for betraying her." Now the next choice will also determine the death of one of 2 people. One dies, and one escapes and are never heard from again. If you take the deal, Clint dies because David escapes and shoots him during the chaos. And well, if you shoot Joan, then she dies.

@tashaglam4824 6 лет назад

Ava and Tripp both die no matter who gets killed first. But the person who survives the execution will feel betrayed by Javi and the living person will be angry. But still they both die regardless. The only consequence of the choice, is to determine who your more loyal to. So it only wants to test your loyalty to others

@redonslaught3020 6 лет назад

Typical Tell Tail all these fake opinions to all have the same outcome

@antseb0683 7 лет назад

Nope nope.The real tittle is:The Walking Dead Episode 4 ALL ENDINGS - Kill Tripp Or Kill Ava, Shoot Joan Or Take Clint's Deal

@dumbbitch7221 5 лет назад

Ava or Tripp wouldn’t of died if I t weren’t for Elanor Even tho she blames Javi instead of herself

@youtubefan3461 3 года назад

@Martin Lopez yea that seems something Lilly would do

@snappedfoil 5 лет назад

Dude in the title looks so calm even though he's being held hostage.

@tgslayer4774 5 лет назад

I suggest saving Tripp because I want Eleanor to suffer from her actions and what she has done. (Saving Tripp basically means you are killing him too, to those of you who don't watch the video and just go to the comments)

@ag_gutta7573 2 года назад

Can’t do that. Not for Eleanor but bc i liked tripp

@yohomiesid7275 2 года назад

I was playing episode 4, 5 min ago. I chose to save Tripp didn't knew he was gonna die. I fucking hate these kind of choices. They're pointless. Telltale fucked up

@justintime5120 5 лет назад

I just hate how every choice you make in season 3 is irrelevant to season 4 no sign of Joan nor Clint

@rockyomac1884 6 лет назад

Joan = evil version of carver Clint = a good guy jist like lee **the lee-gend wont die**

@notalaeyt784 6 лет назад

carver is not a good guy lol he was at one point, but the apocalypse changed him

@Newbierank 5 лет назад

I think Clint just doesn't want to seem like a bad leader.

@rblxshortsandmore9241 Год назад

@@notalaeyt784 just like jane said

@notella190 5 лет назад

What happens if you just stayed quiet in the save Tripp or Ava moment?

@collapsedpuma 4 года назад

lol instead they both die

@bear5062 4 года назад

Joan shoots you

@snowyy4163 3 года назад

Both the 2 other comments are wrong Joan doesn't shoot you and they dont both die, the people behind you with guns shoot you

@warzoneclipsanmoments8446 Год назад

@@snowyy4163 someone with a brain. Thank God

@blitzwv 4 года назад

I like she can hear you if you tell her to go but she “ can’t hear” if you tell her not to

@mg05212 4 года назад

If you listen close after javi dodges to behind the trash can you can hear one of HIS death screens

@mg05212 4 года назад

Screams*

@mythos6308 4 года назад

Bruh when I first played I knew Joan was gonna kill the one you picked I had that gut feeling

@muslimsimakhin315 4 года назад

8:08 Badass!

@sami_irl 5 лет назад

So There Are Sad Deaths (Lee, Kenny) And Satisfiyng Deaths (Carver, Joan)

@shxhdjsns 5 лет назад

Its weird how in every season atleast one of the main characters dies

@aquimrobinson8481 7 лет назад

I didn't Like Joan and I like Clinton.

@derassvonandreas144 6 лет назад

Aquim Robinson clint* and yes i like him too

@whensue9386 6 лет назад

der ass von andreas Hillary Clinton.. 😂

@theguy6785 5 лет назад

@@derassvonandreas144 xd

@youxx0_061 5 лет назад

“YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELF”

@hell-z2k 5 лет назад

R.I.P Joan Was shot by Javi She will me "NEVER" missed.

@stupidt3232 4 года назад

DONT rest in piece

@sunshine402 4 года назад

Rest in pain joan

@Mr.Aflatillah Год назад

What you know about rolling down in the deep..

@GEEKFREAK01 5 лет назад

if Kenny was alive, he would've fucking lost his mind in this situation

@dickinyerbut 2 года назад

Since Tripp dies anyways I always pick the option to "save" him. I don't like the thought of fucking him over like that, and also Eleanor is punished by Tripp getting shot. Oh and I shoot Joan for sure, since she deserved it and I don't want Clint to die, I like him.

@heatherhood1095 5 лет назад

We need Kenny and lee in this situation Edit: thanks for the heart Father

@jadenjenkins7600 4 года назад

Clem: believe it Me: *confused* where she at? Is she invisible *few seconds later she reappears*

@dexter27ll6 3 года назад

I hated Tripp So... I choosed Ava but when I realised that saving ava means killing ava then i played my checkpoint again and chose to save Tripp So that He can die and Ava be safe

@nerding479 2 года назад

Tripp the best character

@dexter27ll6 2 года назад

@@nerding479 I realised that......

@taharokerya5028 Год назад

You are tripping lol, tripp had your back in every situation even when you got his town destroyed, bro had every right to betray you but never did

@deliriousfannumberone3889 6 лет назад

Dude Save Tripp or Save Ava you mean Kill Tripp or Kill Ava ;-;

@looinrims 5 лет назад

I called her bullshit when I first played, I knew telltale would pull a stunt like that

@lucybuenen1058 5 лет назад

The Looinrims same

@Hardability 10 месяцев назад

8:20 David has a godly ability He can spawn a gun in his hands

@hyperlordyoutube 5 лет назад

I liked Clint, he was fair and forgiving

@joannmejias8858 5 лет назад

Whoo Conrad's alive

@DaVid-vt8lm 5 лет назад

RIP TELLTALE

@FZone96Official 11 месяцев назад

I'd choose to get Ava killed just so Tripp can reunite with Conrad.

@justynagaecka9275 6 лет назад

Taking the deal is stupit. Why? 1. Herd is outside. You will leave and then what? Be eaten (i know u can escape beacouse Zombie guts bla bla bla but its not 100% sure that you will survive) 2. It was obvius that Joan will not let us (she leted but ya know *cough David *cough) 3. Its telltale -_-. They wouldnt just let us leave Bonus: Clint dies while he was trying to help us and stop Joan from killing peapole

@walkingstash7486 6 лет назад

Justyna Gałecka, Why shooting Joan is stupid: -Your trying to convince Richmond's people why Joan is wrong and suddenly when it looks like your losing the argument you opt to kill her, dosn't give a very good empretion. - It's a Telltale game, no matter what you pick you'll still get the same ending so being the nice guy is the better option.

@justynagaecka9275 6 лет назад

Walking Stash nope. Clint/Joan will appear in season 4 so it will be a huge change in a story. You saved clint? He will be probably pissed off. You took the deal? Joan will want to probably kill you beacouse shes REALLLY pissed off at you

@justynagaecka9275 6 лет назад

Walking Stash PLUS she was the one that killed Tripp/Ava. She just deserved to die. Thats all

@dickbuttb7374 6 лет назад

Justyna Gałecka Tealatale? I think u mean Telltale.

@justynagaecka9275 6 лет назад

dickbutt b yeah yeah i dont know how to write this nevermind im stupit

@madelynnjacobs6194 4 года назад

Harvey in his head is like oh no you didn't

@rblxshortsandmore9241 Год назад

Batman harvey or u mean javi?

@PsyrikAntz967831 3 года назад

I’m trippin, @ 19:02 was Tripp still somehow alive? Was he supposed to turn at that part? Was that a mistake on the developers’ part? I’m mad confused lmaoo

@mariafernandasumocoski7552 3 года назад

the zombies probaly catch him......thats the bad part of him not being dead

@rblxshortsandmore9241 Год назад

He prob becomes a walker because he was shot in the neck not head. but ava is shot in the head so she doesnt turn.

@hilix-_hyperrrr3836 5 лет назад

Well then R.I.P the new frontier

@breadboi9115 5 лет назад

that was one freakin smoke grenade. How did it make the entire complex go fogy?

@ethangonzaga 4 года назад

*logic*

@ratman4910 5 лет назад

What if your silent or don't pick ava or Tripp do they both die or is it random?

@TheOtherDiscord 2 года назад

If you let the time run out, the people behind you shoot you and you get a game over. I know i'm 2 years late but i'm not sure if you know now

@thehighbutwise5644 5 лет назад

It’s so weird without music.

@hermitghosty3885 5 лет назад

this is madness this is sparta

@hatsalittle8189 5 лет назад

Thanks for the vid father

@daelyngruenberg2715 6 лет назад

Love it

@mazzive1493 5 лет назад

Joan should have a addition in saw

@emytoons 15 дней назад

But what happens if you run out of time and you don't pick either Ava or Tripp?

@cheemythedrunkmonke 4 года назад

3:07 the face of “you bitch”

@lightclaww6586 4 года назад

13:34 wait badgers pale so did u let him turn

@aarzek9703 4 года назад

It’s not Kate’s fault. It’s the guy that threw the Molotov at the truck.

@patriousthefallenknight3185 6 лет назад

1:18 you see the guys in the back, dude TTG GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER!

@zboss-5.0 5 лет назад

that armored vehicle wouldve been fine

@benrickpolicar4185 3 года назад

Kenny and lee but last clem my favourite character in walking dead

@urosprodic137 Год назад

Wait so it never mattered if you let the bald guy turn? What the fuck Walking Dead has so many holes... With Bens betrayal in the first game too and our inability to kill him as soon as he said it, also Lilly knowing Lee is a murderer in one chain of actions and not in another.

@eliasrieger9883 5 лет назад

Sooooo, what happens if you dicide to "save" nobody and let the timer run out? Do both die? Will no one die?

@Ultra2263 5 лет назад

Javi gets shot and you get a game over screen

@spencerbowden2979 2 года назад

Is it canon in walking dead series that everything has to go to shit in episode 4?

@DragolotiRBLX Месяц назад

22:08 CONRAD!

@kyuketsukomorikirifuda 3 года назад

*THE ULTIMATE KAREN*

@erisweirdpalace 4 года назад

3:01 Ladies and Gentleman, I present you..... *The biggest snake of all video games Eleanor!* 🐍🐍🐍

@diannepasia7413 5 лет назад

SEE ELEANOR LOOK WHAT YOU BROUGHT LOOK

@inwit594 4 месяца назад

As much as people don't like TNF (for good reason, there's a lot wrong with it) I did enjoy the new focus on the Garcia family. Yes, it's a departure from playing as Clem and people around Clem and it takes getting used to, and the introduction of Clem in a plotline that didn't need to involve her made most of us side with her unconditionally during our first playthrough because of our attachment to her, but I think as characters David, Kate, Javi, the kids, and (some) of the TNF faction members is really well done... in some parts of the game. In others, they're too cartoonishly evil to really take seriously. My favourite in particular is David, because he's a pretty strange guy.

@badreedinedjellali1328 4 года назад

I think when elinor sayed it's not about me but I think it is about her and what she did was selfish and I didn't forge give her because she was selfish

@pinkxterrors 2 года назад

What happens if you tell gabe to help is dad? Does he go?

@stitchedbyiron 5 лет назад

Where's the music?

@2500hd_idk 5 лет назад

Javi looks like sypher

@boomboy2478 3 года назад

I hate Eleanor, she is a trainer plus she is selfish because she only wants herself to be safe and stay. Plus, either Ava or Tripp’s death is on her hands

@saihikaruno 6 лет назад

Carver is more on his own actions while joan is only manipulating his men only with no actions but only words