The only nemesis design that was good was in its original game all the other versions out side of that sole game did him a huge disservice. I hate how capcom keeps feeding this guy steriods and kept making him look super jacked Arnold from terminator when he is suppose to be skinny jack and tall due to being a bio weapon but a agile killing machine. Never seen a dude on steriods move like a triathlon athlete before in my life but by making him look bigger and bigger is suppose to be terrifying which only made him look slow and dumb.
Im surprised you didnt mention how Mr. X ironically did everything you wished Nemesis did. The "inferior" tyrant would kill you almost immediately if he catches you and only doesnt if you have a knife to stab his arm.
Mr.X is still one of the most scariest enemies in the series. Just the thought about the player being stocked by a tall dude who says nothing and can't die is frightening. If only the Nemesis would roam around the map cause if he could that would be far more scary than anything in the Remake, I haven't played the og 3 yet but I will try to do that to get the true RE 3 experience.
@MoonlightBelladonna Hearing all the footsteps in the next room over always left me with intense anxiety. Nemesis would easily benefit from that same feeling
the fact that Mr. X wasn't the first stalker enemy in the RE Engine games (RE7, RE8, RE2R, RE3R AND RE4R) is kinda scary Jack Baker from 7 was the first active stalker enemy but he always died so he wasn't too scary
Not to mention if you have a grenade he goes down from the explosion. One. Grenade. I kid you not when he chases me and when I throw a grenade on the ground and as he gets behind me he gets blown up goes down and drops a crate of...shotgun shells...yaaaaaaaay....
That's honestly kinda hilarious, why the actual hell is he designed like that? Mr. X from RE2 remake easily took _at least_ 2 grenades to disable and when I last fought him, I burned 2 grenades and 3 mags of shotgun ammo
@@monamona164Yeah, at most a grenade will just stagger Mr. X, and so idk why they made the Tyrant who’s supposed to be stronger get defeated so easily.
This is also the same in the hardest difficulty as well, so there is no point in the game where you have to deal with regular Roaming Nemesis for real. He's the least threatening enemy in the game!
OG Nemesis: A force to be reckoned with that could show up both in preset markers & randomly while exploring. Made you fearful and make split second decisions to either run or risk it for a powerful upgrade R3make Nemesis: Total chump that is penned to specific setpieces only. Can go down with a single grenade even in hard mode. Turned into a giant dog near the start of the game
When Paul W Anderson did Nemesis better, you know Capcom royally messed up with RE3 2020. We need a remake for the failmake. Or better yet, just release official HD Remasters for the PS1 RE trilogy with achievements/trophies.
Then you probably haven't played the original he was far more intimidating he would chase you down like Mr X did in RE2 Remake which is ironic since he didn't do that in the original RE2
@@animezilla4486 Re3make is stupidly shorter than the game it’s a remake of. You don’t get any choices unlike in the original and the people making the game for some reason were far more focused on the newly added multiplayer side content than the main game hell that side content should of been it’s own entire game instead of being shoved into the remake
That second option sounds amazing. if people can buy RE4 and RE4 remake on the same online store. Why can't We get a Classic RE collection. Maybe even add code veronica or the survivor games in for fun.
I’m not like a huge fan of tank control RE, I just like 3rd person shooters a lot. But even I think 2 and 3 should have gotten zero and 1 treatment for a faithful remake. I mean, they basically got the voices and even the map basically done. All they need to do (which I can imagine would still take a while and a lot of effort) is use those assists they’ve created and turn into a classic style game. They don’t even need to make the backgrounds 2D images for the backgrounds since graphics are so much better now.
Pastra made a great video on this same topic a while back, and so I’ll just copy/paste my comment from there due to covering basically the same bases: “The way Nemesis is treated in RE3R is honestly the worst way I’ve seen a legacy character be handled in recent memory. Back when RE2R released and Mr. X was just changed from just being scripted encounters in the original to stalking you throughout the RPD as a dynamic and intimidating pursuer, a common phrase I saw was “man, if Mr. X is this bad, I can’t even imagine what Nemesis would be like.” And then once RE3R was announced, I couldn’t wait to see what they’d do with Nemesis if they repeated the same formula with Mr. X, and the demo seemed very promising since he was the this scary and unrelenting threat who chased you throughout the streets of Raccoon City and even turned zombies into these creepy parasite monsters. Essentially making him feel like a proper successor to RE2R’s Mr. X, but within a wide open city instead of confined to the walls of a police station. Then you play the rest of the game, and it turns out that section is pretty much both a large chunk of the game and one of the very few ones where Nemesis is actually a constant pursuer. And throughout the rest of it, he’s reduced either to scripted segments or lame boss fights, as you said. Gone is him popping up in any area of the game when you least expect it, or even having to maneuver and escape from him as he patrols an area like Mr. X, but just more or less reduced to a glorified cutscene. And to add salt to the wound, Nemesis is just straight-up absent for the second half of the game due to becoming his much worse dog form. He doesn’t chase you through the sewers, the RPD, the hospital or even NEST 2 *at all.* In fact, until the game decides to remind your of his existence, he may as well just straight-up not exist. It’s like they basically swapped Mr. X and Nemesis’s roles for the infamous character that’s *known* for being the best stalker/pursuer in the series, to the point where future ones like RE2R Mr. X, Jack Baker and Lady Dimitrescu are modeled after him, and instead watered him down to a pathetic shell of his former self. I don’t hate RE3R, since it’s still fun and enjoyable to play…but man, with how much it missed the mark as a remake or even a sequel to RE2R, it’s clear to tell it was handled by a separate team who didn’t really care about what made the original special and unique in the first place.”
@@cosmicspacething3474If he wasn’t only reduced to cutscenes and boss fights, he could be, but…🗿 Plus, while I actually like Remake Nemmy’s design, I think Dog Nemmy looks terrible.
On repeat playthroughs, you can see that he is even more limited in his "roaming" section than you might first assume. For one, a single grenade can take him out for so long that you can leisurely take your time to the next section. And two, the sections he appears in are always when you are no longer exploring and have a single way left to go, and the destination is usually very close, so you can mostly just book it and ignore him (as long as you dodge when he jumps in front of you. Though, the tentacle grab move doesn't really put you in harm's way as long as you are pressing the walk button away from him). So even in the few short roaming sections at the beginning, he is still limited because they are treated like hallway running sections, essentially the equivalent of an autoscroller in a 3D adventure game. Go from A to B, he will be behind you the whole time, but its only 30 secs of walking to win.
This remake should be either RE2R expansion as RE3 was notably short game. Or they should properly expand it with Carlos as secondary character connected to events of Umbrella Chronicles. But no! We didn't get even clock tower.
Not to mention, they fumbled the best one-liner in resident evil history the VA for Jill had the perfect line delivery for you want stars I’ll give you stars, but they decided to place it in a dumb chase sequence
I wanted to turn the game off after that line was butchered the way it was by being used too early in the game. But I pulled through it, and I beat it all for stream.
Brad in the OG is a victim of Nemesis, rendered defenseless and killed without putting up a fight. Brad in 3make gets bitten by a basic zombie. That alone shows how badly 3make butchered Nemesis. His iconic kill stolen by a standard enemy.
I really do hate the argument of "if this happened then we wouldn't have the story" a story has near-infinite potential for different possibilities. It's up to the writer to set it in stone. If it turns out bad, then it's their fault. The only exception being outside interference.
@@umairashraf5167no, it’s because the writers aren’t smart enough to Craft Situations where the killer logically earns their kills. Easiest way to do it is when dealing with the supernatural. But with regular humans? You’d be hard pressed and for good reason.
On Nemesis having Jill on his hand doing nothing, there's a scene form Resident evil Damnation, the second CGI movie, that is burned into my mind, where as soon as the Tyrants appear, Leon shoots the gas canisters next to them causing a big explosion, but even in the middle of the fire an smoke, the tyrants are clawing and trying to grab Leon who is on the floor. Leon was arguably safer than Jill in that scene, but it felt much scarier due to the murderous intention you get from the monsters.
I think that the worse thing that one can say about the nemesis of the remake is comparing him to resident evil 2 remake. Original RE2, Mr. X was an enemy that was a set-piece. He was designed to show up in 'some' parts of the game in the B-Route. He did not chase you for much of the police station or onwards, with the exception of the fire puzzle room and how Tyrant will chase after the player to the hallway if not taken cared of. In the Remake, Mr. X was designed to patrol and hunt down the player in the police station for much of the game and that is what many people talk about. The RE2, for me, had a number of problems that some people ignore, but the improvement of the Tyrant to be patrolling for the first half of the game was not one of them. On the other hand, RE3 had a Nemesis that will show up multiple times, in multiple places based on which paths and choices you made, and was willing to chase after you for a 'long while' in different rooms and areas with little limitations. The Nemesis was designed to do what Mr. X did not, which is actively chase after the player across much of the world. In RE3R however, the Nemesis devolved to be less like RE3 Nemesis and more like RE2 Mr. X, having a linear path with the Nemesis, along with his aggression being generally nullified for much of the game after the first 10-30ish minutes of your playthrough.
Mr. X is the best part of RE2R, besides him the game suffers from alot of the problems that 3R has, it just doesn't cut that much content or is that linear.
@@giwi4The same reason why some people enjoyed Walter Sulivian from Silent Hill 4, or Crow Mawler from Fear and Hunger (amongst other games). A Nemesis enemy that chases after you can be fairly threatening in a horror-based game
Capcom just doing their villains so wrong and they wonder why they can’t replace Wesker as a big bad because you’re not letting them eat and be terrifying to our protagonist.
nothing can beat original and the fact that REmake 4 replaces louis saying that ashley is equipped with ballistics to louis calling her seniorita is absolutely atrocious seems like small change but where does this insanity ends
I said the same thing Luis was a ladies man who didn’t know how to talk to the ladies. Plus having Krauser take out Luis instead of Saddler was crazy. Saddler scared the mess out of me when he took out Luis my first playthrough of the OG but now his demise is so anticlimactic.
Biggest problem with resident evil 3 remake is the game does not give you time to breathe it just goes from set-piece to set peace you never get a chance to feel isolated and alone sense of dread you get before meeting Carlos of potentially being the only living person left in the city being hunted by the Nemesis is not there
Not to mention cutting 70% of the original game and replace it with Michael Bay explosions to make the game more "awesome". It really beats the purpose of being a survival horror. Like, even if Jill is a veteran when dealing with B.O.W.s, she only dealt with them in an isolated mansion... now this is the full scale city, full of thousands of citizens... now either dead, dead and walking, or eaten. The few moments of peace with no sounds, just the background music, really hit the isolation vibe of "we're so fucked". Especially when sometimes Nemesis just shows up or a random enemy catches you off guard, like the Drain Demons or Spiders. Even the Outbreak games for PS2 got that feeling of "fake safety in the nothingness" right. Just because you don't hear a sound, doesn't mean you're safe. R3make just tries so hard to be more action based that it feels like an insult
Funfact about Nemesis; That actually wasn't intended to be his name! It was simply meant to pose as a subtitle to let the player know what they were getting into, but the name caught on, and Capcom kept it. Never in the original or the remake do they call him Nemesis, and it isn't written as a name anywhere on him, Umbrella's pod that dropped him into the city, the tyrant's weapons, or in any documentation from the scientists found in the Umbrella facility. He became so beloved that fans used this to refer to him, much like how T-00 from the second game was lovingly referred to as Mr. X after a journalist used the name while reviewing the game.
I am so glad people are talking about how they done my boy bad now. Nemesis is legitimately my favorite horror monster of all time and seeing him reduced to a joke hurts so much. Having such an influential character be treated so poorly never sits right with me, especially when it’s my precious little baby.
There are several one-hit-KO enemies in this game, and only the final boss version of Nemesis can kill super easily. So, he isn't even the most threatening in this game, that's how bad they messed up.
Same here.. nemmy being my all-time favorite baddy. The only thing i want to give the remake credit for regarding nemmy, is giving him a flamethrower. It was poorly done, but i like to imagine that in the og re3 world. He was able to chase you down and smack you still when he had the rocket launcher.. do the same with the flame thrower but now you don't have to worry about a single projectile coming out and instead worry about a constant hitbox. Distance could keep you safe from it, but distance often can trigger him to run, and when he runs you don't really get to apply damage. The blueprint was their, and they messed it up so bad in the remake. If your not aware, theirs an og re3 mod out now that lets you play as nemesis.. both in the original story (nemmy vs nemmy fights XD) and in a specialized scenario that allows you to chase down jill. IMO it could use some polishing for jills AI, but for what it is it's a good fun thing to play through at least once.
@@animezilla4486 I understand but the difference here is that MvC is a fighting game spinoff and the Remake is an official game being used as an experience for newer people to get into the series and having the representation of the series be so bad can put people off from trying other titles or even the classics. So I understand where you are coming from but making Nemesis a boss character only relegated to cutscenes in which he is mocked or quick time events that only add a shallow feeling of terror and either being too easy to kill or more annoying to kill (Meaning that the gameplay of fighting him isn't fun) removes all the impact that he has had on the genre as being the prototype to stalker characters in survival horror. Also yes I am the person who bought MvC because Nemesis was in it and yes I do in fact main him. (PS sorry if this response was very long I am very passionate about the character.)
@@SepticTank53 It really is a shame that the remake turned out this way, especially when I was so hyped for it too. Also that mod sounds really cool I can't believe I am only just hearing about it now. Thanks for bringing awareness about the mod to me I'll check it out.
It’s strange to say that in the old games, Nemesis scared the hell out of me and Mr. X annoyed me… but in the modern games, Mr. X terrified me and Nemesis annoyed me. In the modern games, I was terrified to make any noises with Mr. X on the other side of the building because he would definitely notice and hunt me down, so I didn’t want to mess up my ammunition supplies or lose health with how random he seemed to go from room to room in finding me, making me hunker down and hide as he walked by and failed to notice me. Modern Nemesis, however, kept showing up at predictable places and he kept appearing at cheap times, like when I entered a safe room, left and then nemesis charged out of the alley in front of me when I had nowhere else to go and when he kinda just pulled a cartoon character move and walked through a wall in front of me with no path around, but with Mr. X I had options and it was on me to run into a dead end or corner myself and I had to be afraid of running into the wrong place. When I knocked down Mr. X, I put my all into it… when I knocked down Nemesis, I was surprised it took 1 grenade and gave me a massive reward for how easy it was. Mr. X also remained a decent threat through his consistency in methods until the very end, he had a personality and I dreaded the moment I shot his fedora off and he seemed to be genuinely offended by that, knocking zombies out the way and strolling right up to me like I committed a cardinal sin. With Nemesis, I was always thinking “what did they change this time? What’s the new gimmick?” at every minute and it didn’t help me put down what his personality was… first he was the trash man, then purser, then infected doggo, then whatever else. What also gets at me is design. Originally Mr. X was just guy in trench coat #85, but then they gave Mr. X a refined, but disturbing up close visual in the face and eyes which made it a question on how much was the monster in control and possibly even the person. Meanwhile they changed the half suit and stretched/ripped face of Nemesis and gave Nemesis trash bag clothes and a ridiculous crooked nose that looks glued on or someone slapped his original human form mid transformation and now he looks like that. Then we get to introductions, finally. Nemesis gets a long winded cutscene where you can’t get hurt or die in your own way and it reveals too much about what he does before we can properly start hiding from him. Mr. X, though, comes out of nowhere, leaves you questioning who the hell he is as he marches towards you and makes you ask ‘RUN OR SHOOT???’ And makes for a good pursuer for the game. (I know Birkin offs one of the X’s pretty easily, but it’s Birkin, come on. Doesn’t detract from how intimidating Mr. X is.) Those are my thoughts on the two, since the modern remakes were supposed to be a good demonstration of horror realized and such, but Mr. X was more of a success of what horror is while Nemesis is the example of trying too hard.
13:55 I can understand the heavily misguided need for consistency, but Nemisis is literally the thing on the cover, they should be much more of a threat than basic enemies. Aren’t they supposed to be more intelligent than every other enemy? And you’re not supposed to feel safe behind doors.
The worst part is that "fan boys" will defend these horrible decisions by defending the remakes as "reimagines" when it was already established they're complete remakes. Reimagined RE games would have been the rail shooters that came out for the Wii as they are not complete remakes of previous games but rather a retelling of older games for the sake of fans service.
I hope you do one on Nicholai and U.B.C.S. Forces. They took a villain who was manipulative, trap expert, and very forward thinking to Saturday morning cartoon villain who likes MUNEHY. And the U.B.C.S. added a ton to the story. While they were just random mercs, everything about umbrella was bad at this point. It really put to question Carlos and the others. But it showed as the game went on a lot of different elements to them. From backstabbers like the officers to the grunts who would die fighting to protect civilians. In the remake you have them as good guys except for Nicholai.
Not to mention through Carlos and Mikail, you do realise these guys truly believed to be doing the right thing: saving civillains. Even the few documents of them in OG RE3 shows this. One of those mercs died at the clock tower trying to protect a little girl (he couldn't make it and both of their corpses lie in one hall with giant spiders). With Nicoali, you saw how scheeming he was when he killed one of his fellow men before Jill arrived to know why... hell, even the RE3 novelization put Nicolai as a true monster.
True story: when I was a kid, before sleeping at night I would always get scared at the thought of Nemesis ACTUALLY existing. I finished the game at a very young age and would always choose the option to run and avoid Nemesis as much as possible (except the last choice. Made sure he got stars). This was a mistake since this is when I got my real life phobia of being chased. I literally can't play tag as a kid without panicking and even as an adult, I would be tremendously exhausted by the sheer panick of being chased literally by 1 single zombie in a videogame. The footsteps and slow approach of someone catching up to me never fails to make me jump, let alone a B.O.W. with a rocket launcher and tentacle arms chasing me. The intro (main menu cinematic) always gave me chills. Its my first introduction to him and I still think its the best opening for any RE game. RE3 REMAKE does the opposite and quite frankly, heals me of the terror I once had for Nemesis. But rewatching the original intro, it brought it back. RE3 was and still is special to me, for better or for worse lol
Making Nemesis mutate like every other generic RE villain, imho, is the biggest offense here. The cool thing about og Nemesis was that he barely seemed to care about the damage you did to him. In RE, enemies mutate when they're not strong enough to defeat you. Hell, even in the lore, William's mutations occur to repair his damaged body. Nemesis mutating into a generic dog monster made him look weak and changing him into a mindless beast-like form this early on in the game ruined his character since Nemesis was supposed to be an intelligent stalker (kinda like a Clock Tower villain), capable of handling weapons like a rocket launcher. In og RE3 Nemesis felt unstoppable, despite the game's limitations. He got riddled with bullets over the course of several encounters, he was blown out of a moving tram by Mikhaill's hand grenade, got electrocuted or thrown off the clock-tower balcony and he got cooked for who knows how long, after the battle at St. Michaels, yet he only started mutating after losing his head, getting showered in acid, designed specifically to get rid of t-virus experiments, and then dumbing the rest of his body into a pool full of that exact acid. Only then did he start mutating. In that stupid remake, he's literally like every other generic boss monster from every RE after RE3. Edit: Actually, he's just another William. They took William's dog form and applied it to Nemesis.
In short, they handed the project to a student team like how Wanner brothers headed down the project to a sub team for Arkham origin. The reason they do that is the focus on resident evil 4 remake. Sad to see this creature go the way of pyramid head.
What bothered me the most is that the whole point of Nemesis is that he was the smartest Tyrant yet, he could use weapons, identify specific targets, and "talk". So what do they do in the remake? They turn him into a dog after a few encounters. What the fuck.
I felt to mention that another thing that annoys me with nemesis in RE3make is that he transforms like halfway through the game when that was absolutely not the case in the original, Nemesis was so strong and perfected of the tyrant monsters that he didn't need to mutate unless absolutely necessary like at the very end of re3. But in the remake he just gets burnt and falls into a river and becomes a dog...like what? It just comes across that he's way weaker if anything, especially whatever the hell he was at the end of the remake. Edit: Just to show off how cool and powerful Nemesis really was, there is a comic in which Nemesis fights the mutated Dr. Birkins along against like 5 Mr. X at the same time, dude was a pro
Especially since the mutations Nemesis went through didn't necessarily make him better. His second form with the tentacles isn't appreciably stronger than his first form and the loss of a weapon limits him pretty drastically. And the third form is more of a downgrade if anything. Tough, but too slow and clumsy to pose a serious threat like regular Nemesis could. RE3make Nemesis certainly made him get stronger, but turning into doggo immediately tore out everything that made OG Nemesis special in favor of "bigger = better", and before long he just ends up as a big stupid goop monster.
@@calsalitra4689 I've said this several times but RE3make misunderstood Nemesis transformations to a stark degree: OG Nemesis' Transformations weren't to show him becoming more powerful they were to show how relentless Nemesis is, that no mater how much damage he suffers he will continue his mission. They aren't upgrades, they are degenerations of his self while still keeping the identity of that Relentlessness. Capcom has been turning most of their monsters into Birkin copies as of late and it's been irksome.
You also get notes in the RE3 original about him and his instability. It explains why he needs his limiter jacket and how without it he'd mutate uncontrollably
A persistent enemy wasn't totally new in horror, Hellnight for psx as well was released one year prior. It was more of an 'Amnesia' game though, with a mostly unarmed protagonist and a single enemy that chases you and evolves as you play it.
I didn’t mind his appearance in the remake its the execution that felt so incredibly lacking. After how difficult it was to deal with Mr. X, I admit I fell prey to having a bit of high expectations. And coming from someone who didn’t play the original but watched videos of them (really wanna try it) I liked the fact that the more you saw him, you start to see him looking more torn apart little by little until it is a literal pile of guts & flesh still trying to kill you.
to me, the original Nemesis has a weak design in terms of appearance, and the Remake one makes him look more like a threat since he doesn't have some dumb trenchcoat paired with a huge glove on his arm. in the Remake, Nemesis does fall short because his scenes are mostly cutscenes or scripted. he's also WAY fucking taller and is an absolute hulking beast.
What made OG Nemesis great is his unpredictability. The game allowed you to go certain places... and he would be there ready to kill you ro would show up out of nowhere to kill you. Even if you went to the save room, he wouldn't banish when you got out. And the quick time events for decision making made the game more dynamic. It made you consider if you wanted an easy win or try and tame the beast. If you did, you were handsomely rewarded with parts for an upgraded gun and then a shotgun... and they felt really worth it. But it also affected the story in what would happen later on until the end of the game. Making you feeling scared if you messed up and whatnot. Even today, OG RE3 is a highly recommended game as opposed to the Remake
@@JackOfenIt was 'cause Matt was a potential love interest to Milla's character and Paul was pissy about it. So, time to be a monster....Then you can die!
@@JackOfen like... at least she had to cheat to win in the fight, since the guy literally gave her weapons. for no reason since he wanted to test one experiment vs the other but decided mid experiment to give an advantage to one of them... it was really dumb. also he lost to being impaled... once... it was so dumb
What you said about Nemesis being an antagonist and not a villain has me thinking of the Hackett family from The Quarry. Any chance we can get a video about them?
The hackets were definitely not villains. They try to keep you away from the whole werewolf thing, and don't actually start going after you unless you start hurting them first.
@@TerryB01 Sure, but its not like they were trying to hurt people. The werewolf thing is a curse inflicted on them, they are doing the best they can to control it. Edit: as for the missing people, including the one in the lake, I assumed that they were victims of either Silas or one of the other werewolfs that the family took care of. They were clearly equipped to kill werewolves and probably were not terribly inclined to add more problems to contain. Could be wrong on that though.
I totally agree. Nemesis annoyed the hell outta me in the remake. And all the cuts they made, like half the game, was ridiculous. I think Capcom rushed and half assed RE3 remake so they could make a few bucks from hardcore RE fans while getting to the RE4 remake faster. Cuz RE4 was going to be, and is, the true cash cow. And the RE4 remake does kick ass for sure. The OG is my favorite game ever. And the remake is right there with it too. But there was no need to hurry through RE3 to get there. They could have made kick ass remake versions of both if they had taken their time and done things right.
Original Nemesis: -Faster than you, will always run once you do and will catch up with you no matter what. -Extreme pathfinding logic, will perfectly weave through obstacles and make perfect 180' turn. (Except at few buggy places) -Super tough, needs 50 pistol bullets to down him. -Can go through most doors and through area. Will patiently wait outside your save room and instantly rush you the moment you comes out. -Can instakill you. Remake Nemesis: -Slower than you until he starts running, and might choose not to depending on his mood. -As smart as any enemies in the game ie; not much. -Super brittle, one hand grenade can floor him in any difficulty. -Can go through most door but not through area, will teleport away like a Spider-man and not bother to wait once you go pass his territory. -Cannot instakill you until you play the hardest difficulty AKA unnecessary padding the game. Anyone who says RE3R is better is a shill and not a real RE fan.
Ok you definitely have some false info about Nemesis in the original. 1) he could never insta kill you, 2) his ai never always ran when you ran, 3) his ai would bug often where he would sprint then run up behind you and just stop then do a partial grab then not go through with it, 4) he was scripted. You make this decision he’ll spawn at the power station. You make the other decision he’ll spawn in the alley etc. Remake Nemesis can actually insta kill you unlike the orginal with his tentacle to Jill’s face if he grabs you. I’m not exonerating the remake but don’t misguide ppl about the original.
@@amcstud2346 Bich please I'm old enough to play RE2 just a week after it came out. Go posting a video beating OG nemesis with a handgun first then we'll talk. False info my ass. Sounds to me you're a false fan who never played any classic RE in his life.
I honestly appreciate that people still drag the Remake over three years later. Imagine if they had actually given RE3 the time, love and passion it deserved - it would've been incredible! They screwed RE3 over so bad! And just because they gave it to a B-Team and wanted to squeeze it in-between RE2R and RE8, to keep that money flowing... They should be ashamed, but they literally don't give a damn. RE3R is the only recent Resident Evil game that did not receive any DLC. They didn't even try to improve it.
THANK YOU. I hate seeing people defend what they did to Nemesis! He sucks in the remake! He had learning AI in RE3. But he doesn't in the remake. Why did he go backwards technologically? You can cheese him indefinitely in the modern version, and his attacks will never change.
Also, let's not forget, Nemesis is dumped in the remake IMMEDIATELY then mutates IMMEDIATELY into a big G knock off. In the original, you don't know what Brad is afraid of until it kills him, and from then on he's hunting you. In the remake, he's there immediately. And when he mutates, it's half way into the game, there's no real surprise, it's just a boss monster. In the original, he ends up shirtless and with more tentacles (honestly, he could've left Raccoon City and become a ero manga protagonist at this point), but then later on, the next time you see him, he's this huge monster flopping and slopping towards you that needs a massive cannon to destroy (and not just some Akari rip off movie set piece). In the original, there's suspense and stress points. In the remake, he's just a set piece. They also made him uglier which, I mean, fuckin' rude... And also, going back to the Brad getting killed part, the remake ruined both Brad's dramatic death AND Marvin's infection story. In their originals, Brad was killed in a gory way which warned you of what would happen should Nemesis grab you (cos he does have an instant kill grab move if you don't break free) and Marvin was bitten while protecting survivors escaping the station (Resident Evil Outbreak File 2, if anyone was wondering), which was heroic. In the remakes, it's just "Brad got bit, then he somehow talked and bit Marvin." It's such a punk arse way to go out for both of them.
I’m sure not enough people say this, but the fact you made this a week after your last video is fantastic work ethic. It’s not easy to write, record, compile, and edit all this together. Good job.
After playing this game a lot on nightmare and inferno I get the feeling that more focus was put into those modes. Hardcore, standard, and assisted feel like an afterthought in comparison. The game feels like it was made for people who enjoy brutal difficulty, which is why I like playing it, but that leaves out most of the playerbase. Most people play for the story, puzzles, horror immersion, and just the experience of the game, all of which RE3R is sorely lacking. My dream is that someday a "director's cut" or something will be released with more content, but I doubt that will ever happen.
I love how they made Mr.X the evolution of the tyrant monsters and devoled Nemesis in the remakes. I basically see remakes as a make or break situation for games. Due to all the cut concepts, i had a feeling the RE3 Remake was altered alot
I'm pretty sure the only reason they bothered with this poor remake was to cash on nostalgia in order to sell more copies of REsistance, considering the usual reactions to multiplayer RE games up to that point (ORC and UC). The best comparison I have for Threemake is a hallway. Pretty, sure, but super linear. I know the OG was short, but this was so short it could've (and should've IMO) just been released as DLC for the remake of two.
considering the PS4 trophy listings showed "another survivor" for its trophy expansion and all it was for is finding the note from jill so i believe deep down that RE3make was going to be DLC for RE2 as even the OG RE3 was a spinoff side project that expanded upon RE2 and sometimes labeled as RE2.5
Everything you said is valid. I could go on about how the RE3 Remake was bad but I don't have to you already did that. Kudos to you sir. Great video. Keep up the good work.👍
What's even worse that the Nemesis' changes was caused by Capcom's innability to selectively take some criticism to their game like they see one of players getting pissed on Mr X's encounter due to "too aggressive" and they saw this as a legitimate reason to "fix" Nemesis, ended up being set-pieces mediocrity that unimpressed us all
@@shanegale6143 Look after Gamemaker's Toolkit video "Should Game Developers Take a Player Feedback" where he cited Dilon Rogers tweet criticising Capcom's nerfing Nemesis in the remake just because looking some player's frustration over Mr X in RE2 Remake
Original: Nemesis is a formidable foe and relentlessly pursues you no matter how much you try to take him down. Remake: Haha, grenade knocking big man over go brrrr.
Thank you that the standard of Remakes I always talk about in games is Resident evil one Remake keep everything add extra stuff but that doesn't take away from the game being remade.
As a Nemesis Main in DBD i never even heard of him until he was in DBD cuz i never played any of the RE games, so when i saw this Title I got very curious. Great video
It’s mind boggling to me that Capcom could miss the mark by such a wide margin with Nemesis after what they pulled off with Mr. X in REmake 2. They could’ve reskinned him, made him faster and more aggressive and it would’ve been just fine with me. Instead, it feels like they weren’t even developed by the same company/team.
They weren’t developed by the same team, which probably explains most of 3’s issues. They had 2 and 3 being worked on at the same time, which prevented them from seeing the reactions to 2 and to take those into account with 3. Pure greed had them rush out 3 when they could’ve waited until 2’s team was available.
re2 remake wasnt even perfect cause it had copy paste scenarios whereas the original if u blow up a wall in A it will be automatically done in B as u progress, same exact puzzles, same bosses, and Mrx killed me only once
The dead factory was my favorite part with all the discarded Mr. X’s everywhere and nemesis feasting on the corps. I did enjoy the concept of Nemesis being a butchered and mutilated MRX thou.
And that's not even addressing elephant in the room: original RE3 was already cut down due to budget and time constraints but Capcom managed to cut down remake even further instead of expanding and restoring missing parts as remake should.
He was pretty pathetic in 3 Jill should not be able to survive a close encounter with something like that, much less making glib remarks about the situation. She treated him like a minor inconvenience.
In Resident Evil 3: Nemesis, I was truly terrified of being chased by Nemesis, in RE3 REmake I wasn't bothered at all by Nemesis. He was more so a cutscene I couldn't wait to get past in RE3 REmake. And to add to what you said about Nemesis and Mr X. at 8:11. Mr X and Nemesis are both built off of T-103 Tyrants, the big difference between Nemesis and MR X is that Nemesis is created by introducing the Nemesis Alpha Parasite to a T-103 Tyrant which takes over the brain functions for the Tyrant, it makes the already proven T-103 Tyrant that much more of a formidable foe.
Remember when killing him you get rewarded for doing it? Nah, here's some shotgun ammo for what would've been a difficult challenge. He got gutted HARD in the remake.
@@amirgarcia547While the weapon upgrades are great for early game, you can get them regardless so it isn't like the original where he drops a super valuable items.
Wow I'm genuinely impressed, you are possibly the rare few who understand the difference between villains and Antagonists. Yeah super hard disappointed in re3 remake and pre-ordered
It’s funny how Nemesis has only been awesome in his debut and then never again to the same extent Seriously an open world RE3 Metal Gear Solid 5 style would’ve been potentially the best game ever Can you imagine spotting Nemesis in the open world with a sniper rifle or something? Damn that could’ve been cool
@@kruegerpoolthe13th With much disappointment and regret, I would've loved to see both Mr.X and Nemesis from both respective games, in 8k pre-rendered backgrounds, fixed camera angles, tank controls, original open door animations, and seeing Mr.X and Nemesis from RE2/RE3 chase you down in fixed camera perspective and pop open doors like the zombies could do in the first REmake. God, I wish Capcom remade RE2 and RE3 back in 2002. That was the closest we would ever get.
He was and still is the most iconic video game character to this day to me, even more than guys like Mega Man or Solid Snake. Nemesis is something iconic, I used to joke about how he pursuits Jill and all. He's no just an enemy in the game, for me it's just something historic, that I even have his most iconic "STARS" as WhatsApp ringtone. That's how much I love this character. BTW, I'm not gonna buy any other Crapcom game just because of the remake. That was a great kick in the balls for all fans.
It truly pisses me off seeing Nemesis just let Jill go or toss her aside when in the original getting grabbed by Nemesis was basically a death sentence
RE3 Remake feels like such a sick joke directed at me specifically. The original RE3 was my favorite RE game before playing the REmake, and even then the REmake only just edged it out. After seeing what an incredible job Capcom did with REmake, I remember back around 2006-2007 being a teenager and really really REALLY hoping that Capcom could get around to remaking RE2, so that they could then get to work on a RE3 remake that'd be just as much of an incredible improvement over the original that REmake was. Then over a decade later, REmake 2 comes out and while I didn't consider it the unilateral and universal improvement over every aspect of the original that REmake was, it was still an incredible game that improved so much in many respects, ESPECIALLY Mr. X. Then RE3 Remakes comes out just a year later and it's like it was sharted out with zero effort.
...you know...I grew up with only the remakes despite having a PS1 (cause I was too young for the RE games) but this...now that you are bringing this all up...god what were they thinking?
OG Nemesis is basically the Terminator changed to fit the setting of RE and so that Ridley Scott's lawyers wouldn't look at it, raise their eyebrows in curiosity and say "ayo?". Nemesis cannot be bargined with, Nemesis cannot be reasoned with, Nemesis does not have a sadistic streak, Nemesis not only has weapons, Nemesis IS a weapon, that's why it only ever said "stars", that was the only thought on it's mind, it thinks of killing S.T.A.R.S. killing S.T.A.R.S, meeting up with it's childhood sweetheard and teaming up to more efficiently kill S.T.A.R.S. and killing S.T.A.R.S. It does not hesitate because it doesn't feel emotion, it kills S.T.A.R.S. Remake Nemesis wastes time with things that are not killing S.T.A.R.S., grabs and lifts Jill by the head then throws her out of the way instead of killing S.T.A.R.S., waits patiently for the next scripted fight instead of killing S.T.A.R.S. and generally fucks around instead of killing S.T.A.R.S. As for why they did it, there's two reasons. 1. They had a fucking unnecessary multiplayer component. 2. It's MODERN and everything about the original is OUTDATED and ARCHIAC and THEREFORE BAD, such as having regards for things like BASIC GAME DESIGN. I'm not saying ALL MODERN GAMES BAD. But for fuck sake, so many just don't understand WHY the mechanics are there (in some cases such as hacking minigames, not there). Deus Ex: Human Revolution isn't an immersive sim, it's a fucking straight up stealth game. All because of regenerating health, because now guns only ever have 3 bullets max in order to compensate for effectively infinite health to incentivise stealth, so to incentivise combat YOUR ARMS REQUIRE AMMO. All of which was something the original Deus Ex avoided.
i had nothing but wonderful memories wwith re3 and nemises from playing it when iwas 10 on my cousin's ps1 to playing like 400 times in my 23 years of living its a shame they did him dirty i had nightmares as a child because of nemi and he made me like body horror and mystery when i am an adult
I might be misremembering, but wasn't RE3 done by a different team than RE2 and RE4 remakes - a team made largely out of ex-Platinum Games employees? Because if that's the case then it would explain A LOT of RE3's problems IMO (especially when coupled with Capcom rushing the release to push their latest multiplayer nonsense and force RE into an annual franchise). You don't put people who worked exclusively on big explosive action games in charge of a horror title...
RE3Make was indeed done by a B studio of Capcom in a short timespan (kinda similar to what happen with Resident Evil 3 originally) but i guess that you don't get to be that lucky twice.
The old game was great with horror and panic. So many times id be running about only to hear his roar and start panicking lol "shit! shit! shit! I dont have the ammo or heals for you! run! run! run! run!"
I totally agree with you, especially with the part about the "big enemy" grabing the hero and than throwing him away, it's so dumb that it makes me rage. The game instantly looses it's seriousness when doing so, it's also a big problem that "separate ways" had in re4. I hope they will learn that the game looses nothing if u just remove theese dumb encounters.
The nemesis grabbing and throwing trope is just like The Terminator franchise. In the original movie Sarah could always barely escape Terminator's attacks and the only moment when he got his hand on her throat was mere seconds before being terminated. I think if he managed to catch Sarah without guns, he's squish her head or detatch it from her body. And now, just like 2020 Nemesis, they are so hands on of the main characters like a real pervert and not using the basic strength they weild to cause damage to them. They just toss people around to cause minimal damage when their fist could punch with the force of a speeding firetruck.
For years after the RE1 remake for Gamecube I wanted them to give 2 and 3 the same treatment. Then the monkey paw curled and they DID make remakes, but they were...that.
Why is it that Jill has gotten the short end of the stick over the past decade and a half? Chronologically not appearing since RE5. Having the weakest of RE Engine remakes. She’s really been done dirty for far too long.
Could we talk about how Lady Dimitrescu makes for an awful Nemesis-type stalker? She's not a programmed meat-golem, she's a person. And she moves so fast, Ethan Winters initially didn't notice the pain when his arm was chopped off. There's no reason she would just be casually strolling after the player. Also, the player is running through the house she's live in for about a century. How could we lose her? But the worst part is that her behavior and attack methods don't change in the slightest as you kill each of her three daughters. She never goes 'all out' until triggered by player actions at the very end, when you grab the silver knife.
I think one of the problems I have with comparing og and remake, is that nem could have killed jill after the clock tower; but only didn’t because Carlos shot his rocket launcher.. but still could have crushed Jills head
the fact the Nemesis grabs Jills head (on cutscenes) wich we all know its the first step for a "tentacle facef**k" and then throws her away is beyond enfuriating.
@@nexusgiga I'm not too familiar with the OG RE3, but it seems to me that he grabs your head specifically to kill and only lets go because the player "shook loose from his grip" somehow, and that if you don't escape, then it does kill you. But in R3make, he does it in cutscenes (where the player has no agency to even attempt to escape) that show in full detail that he is just letting you escape himself for no reason.
Both Nemesis and Jill were reduced to a characters that would fit more as a background characters rather than the main ones. If in the og Nemesis was extremely tough both story- and gameplay-wise, and Jill was essentially a single character who single-handedly, although with a lot of struggle, took him down, the remake ones have 10th of the strength of the OG ones. Remake Nemesis can be taken down by a single granade and remake Jill was reduced to be the the damsel in distress.
RE 3 Remake was such a let down with the nemesis could you imagine if they had done it like Alien Isolation style where the Nemesis is actively moving through the map looking for the player or lieing in wait for you that would be fear inducing but instead they just did scripted events which just made him redundent.
"Mr. X became a better Nemesis than Nemesis." That's a common talking point that I take issue with; Nemesis was never annoying in the original RE3. Mr. X got annoying real fast because he was a one-trick pony that also used smoke and mirrors to always be where you were. Had it been possible to put Mr. X down to buy some time for safe(r) exploration before he got after you, then, yeah, he'd be a really good Nemesis to contend with.
Everything about Nemesis was a letdown, from his design, the way he barely even speaks his 'STARS' line, his actual game presence, he's barely in the game, his stupid bloodborne werewolf second form. I was so hyped up especially after the excellent handling of Mr. X, I dont get how Capcop could turn in such half-baked game. I still stand by the notion they should do a revamp of RE3 and call it Re-Nemisissed edition or something. Put back all the missing content, locations, and have Nemesis play a larger role with more free-roaming locations. Honestly everything about RE3make was a letdown, even Jill's characterization was awful.
This is the problem of modern resident evil in general. It's just not a horror series anymore, especially not survival horror. People scream and scream how awful tank controls are, but they ignore just how much more atmospheric the old games were and how the limited resources and abilities of the characters helped alot to increase the threat. Tank controls even added to that and so did the fixed camera angles, because of how they reduced how much control over the situation you had as the player. Personally I wish they had done all the remakes, including even 2 in the old faithful style like they did with RE1. It's already an action series in all the new entries anyway. At least allow it to remain a survival-horror series for the orginals.
Like I stated on Pastra’s video on the same topic… I’m so glad Dead By Daylight was able to recapture the horror and imposing feel that Nemesis had. He didn’t feel like any traditional killer of the week but actually a strategically and absolutely menacing beast to deal with. The inclusion of having Zombies, infection of T Virus, and mutation growth always helped Nemesis remain like a constant threat in any round of DBD. Competitively standing, Nemesis isn’t so much of a broken killer, but certainly no push over as he has an anti looper ability with his tentacle strike, some addons that can absolutely turn the tables on Survivors… and a chase theme that shows you that Nemesis is no ordinary killer. He’s a BOSS FIGHT
Considering how loved the OG RE3 is in the series (personally my favorite even over 4) it surprised me that it wasn't the main team that worked on the remake. My entire time playing RE2 remake and dealing with Mr X was I can't wait to see what they pulled off with Nemesis. Only to be completely disappointed.
OG Nemesis was an Absolute Unit and Demon Menace in RE3 Vanilla the fear the jumpscares and the primal roar of Thing that want you dead made a chill run up my spine,Nemesis lived up to his name a real sprinter out of hell Mangakamen you have my utmost respect bring about how such a amazing horror monster has become an absolute joke come the remake and even before I expected him to be a rival to Hulk and She Hulk in Marvel vs Capcom He was a Lightning Bruiser Force of Nature who became a One Winged Angel Bullet Sponge that need a rail gun recharged 3 times and alot of ammo to finally finish himoff
i remember watching the brother of a friend when I was little play RE3 and I distinctly remember that part with Jill laid down and nemesis popping from the window. Also his first appearance
I agree that the trope of villains having the heroes by the throat and deciding to throw them is stupid. The only time I'm cool with it is when the villains throw our heroes in ways that should kill them. Such as when someone gets thrown with enough force to send them flying across the room and sending them through a wall.
As stated by gothic horror, there are distinctions in fear; Fear; the generalized series of feelings, minus reaction or interaction, to a setting Aka; knowing a werewolf is chasing you Terror; a feat that motivates action. Aka; seeing the werewolf, and, trying to run. Horror; a fear that paralyzed, rendering one numb to rational action Example; you try to run from a werewolf, and realize, your feet are stuck to the ground. Dread; a fear that causes aversion to a specific action . Example; you can't pick up a weapon to fight the werewolf, due to a memory of how hard your abusive dad beat you, more so then usual, when you tried to fight back. Paranoia; an ever present fear, that, there is a certain chance, that something that will induce horror, will happen Example; you remember how much broken glass in your foot hurt and how it looked, so, your reluctant to remove your shoes to escape the werewolf, for fear of cutting your feet again. Tension; the overwhelming fear of which reactions to take appropriately, forcing you to simultaneously consider all your options reactively, and, take an action at a moments notice, forcing " twitchyness" you have to resist, to not give away your intentions. Example; you try to hide from the werewolf, while keeping your eye on it, trying hard to fight to keep that action as long as you can, by not moving or making a sound. Finally; panic, aka, blind horror. A sense of fear that removes environmental factors or rational thoughts. Example; the werewolf lunges, and, next thing you know, your hand is in its chest, the chain of your mother's silvers crucifix draped around your arm, leaving you to wonder, as the wolfs snarling maw is inches from your face " what is this reality? Am I delusional?". Of these, are some that WORK for games, and, some that don't. Let's define a GAME ; A situation with a series of rules, hidden or open, which, have a good consequence, a bad consequence, and, in some scenarios; a series of neutral consequences. As such; a game baised on fear, can't work with some forms of horror; Terror works, because, it guides choice Paranoia works, because, it gives alertness And, tension works, because, it pits critical decision making, against a problem. Ones that " sometimes" work; Panic; done right, it's a writers excuse to explore options, that, stop the player from feeling powerless. Example; in a certain horror game in an active mental asylum ( I forget the name, sorry) , you WERE allowed, to pick up a weapon and kill an enemy, in spite of not having access to a weapon, for a lot of the game. This made your character appear as a reasonable person, making reasonable choices, but, just .... Kinda " bad" , on.... On options. : / The complaint of this video, seems like it's saying the " panic" aspect, which, is usually how a heros " plot armor" is supposed to work, was done badly. And Dread. Done right, it can make a character appear sympathetic and human, stoping unreasonable levels of power and action. Done wrong; it's a lame excuse to keep your protagonist from picking up a weapon. The one that does NOT work for horror games; Horror. If interaction is completely robbed from a player, to CAUSE the fear, it's.... It's simply not a game. .... : / Unfortunately; people keep calling horror terror, and, terror horror, in the modern day. : / So, classical advise on these topics, will often be SO muddled, that, people.... People will often just " give up" , and, make... .... Make.... Make an " action" , action.... .... , ... , .... , ... , Action, ga .... Game. .... : /
The worst part about RE3 Remake's Nemesis, is that if you go out of bounds as Jill, Nemesis can track you with EASE no less, showing that he was supposed to be much more dangerous and risky in a larger setting. It's more than likely RE3 Remake was rushed, moreso than the original RE3 ever was.
Besides Nemesis honesty i also wanted carlos to be fully 2nd playable character with expanded lore/gameplay/locations and more new bosses since we only had Nemsis and Gravedigger from OG RE3. REmake 3 wasted huge potential. Edit: Also Spiders and crows are not in remakes is just criminal
I still wanna see most of the ps1 to 2 mascot games get remasters or a remake like sly cooper, jak and daxter sorta and a lot of the ratchet and clank games too
Way back when Resident Evil 3 Remake was announced and even a release date was already set, I had my worries about it. Resident Evil 2 Remake had only just released. And it was great! But to have another remake come out right after so soon? I was worried it was going to be a rushed product to push out following on the success of Resident Evil 2. Sure enough that was exactly it. And I was thinking how much I would love 3 to be remade as it was always my favorite in the series. I pretty much agree with everything you say in the video. Nemesis is what made the game, but he was made into too much of an action set piece just progressing the story along unlike the original terrifying stalker that he was. The police station where he busts through the window, the gas station when he appears with the rocket launcher, or that section when you go underground to get away from him just to be attacked by a giant worm. The clocktower. I can not forgive them leaving the clocktower out, that was the most iconic moment in the game. You think you're at the end of the game about to escape and he takes out the helicopter and the whole time through that section he keeps evolving and chasing you.
Out of all of the issues with nemesis the thing that genuinely bothers me the most is his design. His original design made him, along with pyramid head, one of if not the most iconic gaming horror villains and yet they were compelled to change it so much that he’s barely similar to the original. And what’s the hell is up with his nose?
REmake 3 feels closer to RE6 than it does to REmake 2, which was the perfect combination of classic and new gameplay styles. The remake's Nemesis feels closer to Ustanak than an improved Mr. X in a bigger environment, which is what the remake's Nemesis should have been. Playing REmake 3 just makes me want to play the original RE3. REmake 3's presentation has also made me refer to it as "the best Resident Evil movie" due to how everything about it feels like how a film adaptation of the original RE3 could be handled with the way things were condensed.
The remake was a pale imitation of the original...that is an observable fact, but at least Capcom has resisted the temptation (so far anyway) to bring Nemesis back in any newer installments of the series. Yes, he makes non-canon appearances in cameos and spinoff titles, but canonically Nemesis only ever appeared in RE 3. Despite their apparent greed Capcom still has more integrity than Konami; what with them consistently bringing back Pyramid Head robbing the character of all it's poetic and narrative substance.
