Nestor Makhno: Ukrainian Anarchism and the Free Territory of Ukraine 

Id like to know was there a russian anarchist movement or faction during the russian civil war because all i am hearing about is the black army which was restrained in ukraine?

@@mordok7987 Look up "Kronstadt 1921"

@@d.c.8828 they were very localised and rapidly destroy in kronstadt in the sailor rebellion if i remember. I am speaking of a wider movement througout russia.

@@mordok7987 Also, I highly recommend reading My Disillusionment In Russia by prominent anarchist author and activist, Emma Goldman, for a firsthand account of the experiences many workers faced following the Bolsheviks' seizure of centralized power.

@@d.c.8828 okay thanks.

Yes, that is what his army used.

'technical' - technical innovation; technique?

@@hazelwray4184 are you asking what a technical is (a truck outfitted with a heavy machine gun) or are you asking about the etymology of the word technical?

@@hazelwray4184 A technique is a method, as in what technique do you use to operate this technical innovation most effectively?

​@@653j521If nobody thinks about it and nobody do something about it, it's called invention.

Many favor him.

Also comes to show how very complicated civil wars are, not just a black and white picture. Basically, very messy!

Very complicated and messy indeed.

I miss idealogies . I understand there flaws , but at least they provide some agreement of purpose. Now we have personalities and angst playing with the people

No war is fascinating and lovable, sorry to tell you so.

an Era of when people did not accept oppression and exploitation should continue, and used force for the vulnerable who could not. I believe one of the most noble things one can do is stand on your convictions and fight and if necessary sacrifice for those who cannot.

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That was a time of many colorful political leaders and experiments

Ukrainian otamans of that period like Hryhoriv and Zelenyy are also super interesting. The greens, the blacks, the whites and the reds. It a shame the reds won...

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Trotsky's explanation for why he wasn't an anarchist. When he was young, he asked an anarchist activist how they would manage train schedules without any hierarchy. The anarchist replied: "I don't like trains." And Trotsky beat him to death with a newspaper.

@@therewaswith186 BULLSHIT!!

@@HistoryHustle OMG are you an anarchists? Or partial to some form of libertarian socialism??????? That would be awesome!!!

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Glad you liked it. Feel free to share.

@@HistoryHustle Will do! I have an anarchist comrade who may enjoy it. :>

The makhnovists are not forgotten heroes in Ukraine . State propaganda just hates him

Makhnovists were statists themselves while pretending not to be. Their economy totally failed. Then Makhno fled to the glorious nationalist countries Romania then France. Nothing heroic about anyone of them.

@@The80sWolf_ Please elaborate further if possible with those claims, perhaps direct me to some r/anarchy101 thread where this is discussed, thank you! And yes I am aware that Makhno fled through a bordering country rather than deciding to swim in the black sea, but really can you blame him? Nobody wants to die.

Pretty much I think.

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Indeed.

@lati long The US love Civil Wars except their own that they don't want to discuss.

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Thanks as always Marc 👍

I'll check it out.

He helped the Communists take over Malorussia and defeat the Whites. Yeah solid guy.

​@@TsaristCossackpretty fucking awesome guy if you ask me

Agree.

There was actually nothing really important about it. It's like a tiny part of history and these war events.

@@The80sWolf_it’s important because it materialized as being possible

He helped the Spain Revolution too. In "The Short Summer of Anarchy", by Hans Magnus Enzensberger, it is told that Buenaventura Durruti met Makhno in Paris, in 1927. That meeting had a key role in Durruti's life and political action. It was such a misfortune that Makhno died just few years before the Spanish Revolution (and Errico Malatesta too, one of the biggest anarchist thinkers of that time).

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Thank you Jan.

Great, thank you!

@@HistoryHustle , you're most welcome! My first regiment I served in was part of the Allied Intervention forces, and landed at Vladivostok to free the Czech Legion...and got tangled up with the Imperial Japanese! (Learning unit history was traditional in the service, and mandatory!)

The Great War channel did talk about the Japanese during that time in great detail.

@@HistoryHustle , I know. I watched it!

It wasnt "black army". In russia and ukrain noome say "black army. Say Rebel army of Makhno or Revolutionary rebel army of Ukrain, or Makhno rebels, anatchists rebels

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Many thanks for your reply.

Thanks for watching.

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Thanks for watching Igor!

Great to read Fred, thanks.

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Thanks for watching. Slowly recovering, getting better.

Thank you Max!

Cheers Phil.

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Yes.

Glad you enjoyed it. The short-lived states I cover on location and since I wont travel there anytime soon I won't cover it anytime soon.

Ok.

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Thanks for sharing this.

@@HistoryHustle No problem dude! :)

Welcome Fred!

Thanks for your reply. Here is the follow-up video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Mx2mIMjf_40.htmlsi=yvpu3lD8ry3gpPPV

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There was no reason to burn anyone alive or dead in the Ukraine. Guys had a lot more important things to do than wasting time for cruel fun.

@@achatcueilleur5746 He was seen as a traitor. A friend of Nestor, Fedir Shchus saw this as an excuse to murder ruthlessly. I do not think they saw it as fun, especially not Machno. Maybe as a deterrent to others, not to betray them or telling secrets to germans.

@@DerDrako You've got a very sick imagination. Living all your life on Government's hand outs you have no ability to understand what it means to live in Survival Mode for years. There was no need to burn a priest in order to kill him. Destroying State Welfare was more than enough to kill all sort of parasites.

@@achatcueilleur5746 No need to insult me. I just told you what happened. The machnovzye never destroyed the welfare system. They supported the poor and those who were unable to work. There was not a system who supported people who did not work after all. Neither was their a system under the ukrainian government. You do not know anything about the world back then.

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Yes, I've noticed.

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Thanks! In the future more on him.

The mennonites should of gave up their land.

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Lol Islam isn't ancient ..by ancient Iran you should mean zoroastrian iranian culture not Islamic culture

@@jayakrishnan26 FIRST I NEVER TALKED ABOUT ISLAM. ISLAM IS A TRIBAL ARAB RELIGION THEY FORCED THER ISLAM ON OTHER LAND'S!!!!!!!!!! SECOND I SAID ANCIENT LAND OF THE PERSIANS (INDO EUROPEANS) THE LAND IS THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD. I AM NOT A ISLAMIST!!!!!!!!!! I CONSIDER ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OCCUPIEING IRAN!!!!!!!!!! HAVE A GOOD DAY.

Hardly civilised wrapping up their women in black and Mullah ridden! Iranians don't need Mullahs they can run themselves with Science and Socialism!

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Hope to cover that later. I know he got away to Romania and then worked as a taxi driver in Paris, but I may be mistaken.

Nothing glorious. He never returned to Ukraine and died from tuberculosis in 1934 in France.

@@Sleepery22 To be fair, he /did/ have an interesting encounter with some of the anarchists that would play a key role in the Spanish civil war a decade or so later

@@TheLostArchangel666 That's true, but he unfortunately died just a few years before that. :(

@@Sleepery22 Indeed... He would've fought for not just one, but both major historical attempts at establishing an anarchist society had he still lived.

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Annalina Baerbock itching for Nuclear wipeout but against Gas and Nuclear power. She has shattered the poor German Workers freezing and shutting Germany down with that idiot Global Warming bull!

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There will be. Can't tell when.

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I understand.

Bat'ko is the Ukrainian word for "the one who knows the ropes"

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@@HistoryHustle "Father" in Ukrainian is "Tato".

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Thanks for sharing!

@@HistoryHustle some russian historian named this "siberian Makhnovtchina"

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Sure is complicated. Thanks for watcing.

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Except only 10% of the Russians could read under the Tsar. Lenin introduced full literacy free libraries schools up to University level housing and free medicine. The Russians ploughed with wood. Lenin's successors put a man in space and a woman!

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The spanish anarchist were also betrayed by russian communist, you could effectivly add all anarchist and authoritarian communist into this.

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@@HistoryHustle - Thank you for your kind reply, and 🍺 cheers, from Australia!!

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@@HistoryHustle I have the same coat. 😎🤓

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@@HistoryHustle But u could play a cool Rasputin in a movie or an anime/cartoon ;)

@@HistoryHustle Would be cool to hear how the Kemalists and Bolsheviks tore Armenia (territory ownership entitles by the Special Commission of the League of Nations and the Arbitrary Award of Woodrow Wilson) between each other. And compare it to the Stalin-Hitler (Molotov-Ribbentrop) pact per which the USSR and the 3rd Reich tore Poland between each other. The "perverted" aftermath of WW1 and the start of WW2... If you think it can be an interesting subject and, in a broader context, especially, because now the results of this war are being contested (and most probably more is to come) on different levels and from different sides, is can even become a series of videos with possible continuation in the future with real time observations... Thanks for your work! It is always interesting.

It's actually a Finnish tunic of WW2.

I refer to my source.

Very interesting to read. Thanks for sharing this.

It is.

North-south divide is even more important in Ukrainian history.

Religion has it's part, Catholic west and Orthodox east. Anarchy is a peasant and oddly craftsmans ideology the peasants don't want the Government and Church stealing their crop. Craftsmen hate factories cheapening their handcrafts like watches. Lenin agreed all Governments are bad. But his advice to Anarchists who asked him. He said "Discipline is essential,without it nothing can be achieved"! In 1917 he was prepared for the Anarchists to carry out their experiment but with the peoples consent!

Think Lenin would've killed him off is he got the chance, but indeed: Makhno got out.

I thought she stayed and became loyal to Stalin?

I see.

True.

Being against hierarchy doesn't mean being against organisation.

@@lumpenproletarier9584 Yes but it could then become a hierarchy. In the Kingdom of the blind the one eyed is King!

The problem Is you actually don't know what are you talking about nor you read about anarchy or actually any libertarian socialists in general ,i Guess Is Better centralizing the power,surerly worked out good.

@@Pj-hv3nw All power will eventually centralize, whether by consent or brute force.

Thanks for your reply.

But you're still placing people with capital above those who don't. Capitalism needs workers, and a worker is inevitably beneath the employer in such an instance. I like the idea of keeping a market system around, but how do you see yourself as an anarchists with that power differential?

There is no real discernable difference between localized oppression and nationalized oppression. Monopolization of vital resources is immoral, regardless of the form it takes.

@@JohnBrownsArmory "But you're still placing people with capital above those who don't" I believe that we are all equals as human kind. "Capitalism needs workers, and a worker is inevitably beneath the employer in such an instance." Not always. Everybody works to someone, and are free to be an employer too. "how do you see yourself as an anarchist with that power differential?" All interactions must be voluntary for an anoarcho-capitalist, if not, it is tirany. The coercitive state itself is a tirany. Thank you very much for your reply, brother. Obrigado! 🇧🇷

@@marcoskehl Not everyone can be an employer. You must first have capital. And given that one person has enough capital to hire, and one must sell his labor to survive, the consequences are not equal. . One goes hungry, the other doesn't get to make more profit. Also one gets to set the value of the others labor which again is hierarchical.

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Why are you asking it here and not anarchist or read their literature.

Ok. I understand.

@@HistoryHustle Cool. I can't help it, these things just hurt my ears lol. And btw, the stress is on the last syllable in this case, i.e. 'makh-NO'. Also, come to think of it, if you happen to speak a little *Spanish*, the "kh" sound is quite similar to the Spanish 'j'.

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Nope, it was named as such. Its other name was the Ukrainian People's Republic. Both were in use.

Anarcho-Platformists (makhno’s ideology) wanted to decentralize the economy and government control and want it the power to shift from the federal/central government to communes

@@AlternateTimelord Isn't the point of anarchy that there is no control? Like the Anarchists' Convention?

@@johnpritchard5410 no anarchism just means stateless it doesnt mean governmentless, I mean for god's sake even a family unite is a form of government to some extend

@@johnpritchard5410 Anarchism doesn’t mean no government, (which is pretty much impossible) it just means no state and hierarchy

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Please explain.

Allow me to preemptively state that defensive violence in the face of territorial conquest is justified. Organizing collectives and having a known "leader", figure, or spokesperson, is not the same thing as centralizing power.

@@d.c.8828 "Allow me to preemptively state that defensive violence in the face of territorial conquest is justified." I do not see why anyone would think otherwise. So I don't get what the point of that statement is. "Organizing collectives and having a known "leader", figure, or spokesperson, is not the same thing as centralizing power." Centralized Power is a result of Organized Society. A Collective will always result in the creation of Centralized Power. Maybe not right away, but it is an inevitability. So the only way for Anarchism to work is to not have a collective, and to have no organized society. Why I said it is a contradiction is because, most Anarchist are Collectivist, which is the contradiction. If you're part of an organized society you're not an Anarchist. However, the concept of having a Collective will result in creating a Social hierarchy, which in turn will create Centralized Power, and it only gets worse when said society gets larger, and larger. As it becomes next to impossible for individuals within said society to have any real possibility of representation in that hierarchy, and that doesn't matter whether it's a Monarchy, a Dictatorship or even a Democratic or Republic system, you will not be represented, as you're at the very bottom of that social hierarchy. As I said though, hierarchies will always form, even within a collective. Very simple example a union gets large enough the workers have to have some form of control/management of some kind, even if it's elected among themselves who will be in charge of paper work, and maybe representation when communicating with the outside world, those people get a fancy office chair while the workers who elected them bones wither away while mining as a small example. USA being a pretty darn good example of that actually. America was founded by people who wanted no centralization, the very first iteration of the USA was a Confederation for example as an attempt to hopefully not have centralized power. However, it didn't work out very well. We in turn created a Federal Government but one with a lot of checks/balances in some hope it would keep those in power, checked, or locked in a way so they couldn't gain absolute power. Which is how the USA operated for relatively a century afterwards. Yes there are many in the USA who want to erode those checks/balances and it's sad to see. Most of them really have no effect on curving power anymore. Despite this... people still fled the eastern United States to the western territories to escape an unfair system. Long before the erosion began. Because, despite being a collection of States, internally all those mini states also developed social hierarchies. Land was scarce, you had to play by rules you may not agree with created by people you may of never even supported politically among many other things. People, a lot of people didn't like it, it wasn't the freedom that the American Dream promised. In many respects it shows how unfair democracy is, for those who are not represented ie those who fail to gain a voice politically in said society. I hate to quote a character played by Mel Gibson but "An elected Legislator can trample the rights of a man as easily as a king can." I will circle back to the beginning as a reminder. If a Social Hierarchy forms, you will have centralized power. It doesn't matter what kind of system you're living under either. This is why Socialist systems turn into tyrannical systems. As to have a socialist system you to put society in control of the state, in who runs a socialist society? Those at the top of the New Revolutionary movement, or "New Society." Because? Even within a Socialist movement you have a social hierarchy. Despite that a socialist movement is supposed to be a populous movement, or a collectivist movement, in which everyone should supposedly be fairly represented, but never is. Because push comes to shove, individuals in society are selfish and greedy, if you have a choice between a office chair or a shovel you will take the chair, and you will do whatever you need to do to ensure you get that chair. This goes all the way to the top of society. ^ Actually why I laugh my ass off at Socialist who call Capitalist greedy. I would just reply "And Socialist are any different?" History has proven that socialist are literally no different.

@@Alte.Kameraden how to simplified what you said: Trotsky's explanation for why he wasn't an anarchist. When he was young, he asked an anarchist activist how they would manage train schedules without any hierarchy. The anarchist replied: "I don't like trains." And Trotsky beat him to death with a newspaper.

@@therewaswith186 lol Yes... all society require hierarchies. Even the management of a railroad, so that actually works. it's why a corporation basically functions like a State/government. The management of a Corporation or Business, or even a Public School is very little different than how a Government operates. Government is just the very top of the social ladder. Whether a president, a king, a dictator, etc. all relatively the same thing.