The History of Ukrainian Territory ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-347zyCNL85c.html Ukrainian War of Independence (1917 - 1921) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GMxYls8ctIY.html Ukrainian Collaboration with Germany in WW2 (1941 - 1945) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Cll91vfc_3Q.html
Thanks for the video. I expected another mainstream narrative whitewashing of today's nazi Ukrainian regime's actions, but I found an objectively, soundly good arrangement of facts and arguments. This is real history. Big thanks.
This is an extremely complicated and intertwined history of Ukraine, Germany, and the USSR/Russia - thank you for explaining this in understandable terms - it gives context to current events in Ukraine.
Ukrainians killed 300.000 Polish civilians including pregnant women and new born children in mos cruel way world saw. Google Wolynia massacre, Rzeź wołyńska. Bandera.
@@HistoryHustle when you will make material about Wołynia massacre and slaughtering 300.000 Polish civilians by ukrainian nationalist .lncluding pregnant women and new born children. . In most cruel way world saw.
Germany supported Ukrainian nationalism in the 1930s since it was a convenient way to destabilize three countries: Poland, Czechoslovakia and the Soviet Union.
@@andrzejbarcelonafrlk6416 That's exactly why Ukrainian nationalism was a convenient tool to destabilise 4 countries ( @Gumdeo has forgotten Hungary and its ruthenian minority ) to make it simple, the Ukrainians were the Kurds of Europe
The situation in Ukraine in the 1930s because of Stalin was so bad, its almost surprising the Germans didn't have even more support in Ukraine. If the Germans had been smart and treated Ukrainians like humans, that probably would have been the case.
For some that did play a part. There are other aspects as well. I invite you to watch the video (if you haven't) and let me know what your thoughts are on the topic after watching it.
I live in western Ukraine, so I would like to add my anecdotal prospective. Until 1939 our region had never been a part of Russian empire or the USSR. So, in September 1939 when Poland was partitioned, the soviets were perceived as foreign invaders, as strage people with weapons, who speak incomprehensible language. The USSR was not “our country” for western Ukrainians, it was a foreign country. On top of that, Stalin’s regime was much more repressive than interwar Poland, so everybody dreamed that the Soviets would leave one day. And then in 1941 new people came. Who? Some Germans…Ukrainian peasants of that time did not read The Times, they were not informed about the Nazis, their ideology, and their plans for eastern territories. However, memory of Austria-Hungary was still fresh. My grandma recalls how in 1950s when she was young, people of older generation were nostalgic for Austria-Hungary. And in Austria-Hungary people from Vienna were called Germans. That’s why when in 1941 “some Germans” came, naive local people assumed that the old good times of Austria-Hungary were about to come back. So, it’s not a surprise that a lot of them were enthusiastic in 1941.
@@anemarie2984 His name is Slavic, he doesn't practice Judaism, language spoken by him are Slavic. Politically he is a centrist liberal and Ukrainian civic nationalist without interests for Zionism. Why so many people obsessed with his Jewishness which is nothing but mostly formal legacy of his no longer living ancestors?
@@manuvazquez3011 mostly negative. It’s not ok to glorify people who are responsible for genocide of poles in 1943. However, most Ukrainians only know about their struggle for independence of Ukraine against Stalin’s regime, after 1945, ignoring everything that happened before. That’s why people glorify them.
There were Ukrainians who fought in the Red Army and Ukrainians who fought alongside the Wehrmacht. Both sides had their own reasons for doing so and it's important to understand that. We can't judge either side. History is not simply black and white, that's why it's important for us to continue to study and learn about the past to better understand present events. Thanks for continuing to make these videos, HistoryHustle. 👍
kind of, but I feel like joining literal nazis is one of few things in history that can be judged pretty easily on moral grounds. also, note that many of them we're just regular people defending their country's independence, some were straight up ultra nationalists who were just waiting to take revenge for their grudges against Jews or Poles. and it's clear that nationalists who praises bandera as a hero nowdays are morally inferior, given all the historical context we have now
Are there any good long-form documentaries/ videos of Ukraine's history, concerning Bandera, their fight for independence, massacres between Poles and Ukrainians, mass killing & deaths from the Soviet Union & other important events leading to the Ukraine war? I see a severe lack of this info available in a simple digestible form, if available at all, online and on TV. It's one of the strongest & most false Russian propaganda tools & it would help the world to have a good tool to dispel such simplistic history of Ukraine shown as false, as much as possible.
Why can't we judge them? Because its against the current thing? Being a nazi is unapologetically bad. Even if the Soviet regime murdered your entire family on command of a jewish comissar, still you are doing an atrocity in mass murder of Poles and russian jews. I hate you social justice driven harm based americanised NPCs.
Thanks to him for the video. I expected another mainstream narrative whitewashing of today's nazi Ukrainian regime's actions, but I found an objectively, soundly good arrangement of facts and arguments. This is real history. Big thanks.
We can't judge the perpetrators of the worst crime in the history of the human race ? All decient people know we'll who was right and who was wrong inWW2 .
This is all very interesting. I knew someone from Lemberg or Lviv when I lived in Montreal. I rented a room from her in her house when I was a student 40 years ago. She was from the small German minority which was also in Galicia. Basically she summarized the situation before 1939 as a war waiting to happen. There were constant attacks by the Ukrainians on Poles and Poles would retaliate against them. The Jews were stuck in the middle and despised by all. The Germans like the Armenians (yes, there was a Armenian minority too) were too small and too insignificant to be of consequence. There was also the religious divide. Ukrainians were mostly Greek Catholic and Poles were mostly, if not exclusively, Roman Catholic. Despite having the same boss, they were in constant struggle against each other for who would be the dominant force in society. There were a few persons who fostered understanding and wanted peace, but they were too few and in a way they let the more radicals such as Bandera take the field. It was the indifferent, the weak and the majority which suffered in the end. Thanks again....Stephan
Such wise words about it being the "indifferent, the weak and the majority which suffered in the end." Really hits home the mantra of all peacekeepers "If you don't get involved in politics, politics will get involved with you."
Excellent work. BZ In May 1944, SS leader Heinrich Himmler addressed the Ukrainian SS recruits in a speech. “Your homeland has become more beautiful since you have lost - on our initiative, I must say - the residents who were so often a dirty blemish on Galicia’s good name - namely the Jews,” said Himmler. “I know that if I ordered you to liquidate the Poles, I would be giving you permission to do what you are eager to do anyway.” By the end of 1942 105,000 men served in Schuma Ukraine, Knowing what T.Snyder said about them and their legacy in Belarus etc do you believe any of these were motivated by self preservation?
This was very interesting thank you. Some of the Ukrainian POW were offered to be guards like you say so they woudnt be a prisoner themselves. After the war many of the "Trawniki" men were brought to justice for what they did in the camps.
Just imagine how terrible that situation was. They were killing their own civilians to get attention from reich... Trawnikis, Hilfswilligen, SS Galicina...
as a Pole I fully support Ukrainian independence and condemn the Russian war of aggression, however my support ends as soon as I see the red/black OUN flag being raised.
Same, I was first seeing ukrainians as innocents, but then I see swastique in the ukrainian uniform. I'm Tajik, both my grandfathers were fighthing against nazies, and then I see the entire nation praising pro-german collaborators
Very nice and very similar to the Baltic states where some of the finest soldiers in Army Group North were SS Estonians and Latvians. And the Dutch at the battle of Narva! Yet completely, and so conveniently, forgotten today. When in Estonia, a beautiful country, we were told by our guide, when my wife, who can speak Russian, asked, “ how many Russians live in Estonia ? “ Answer, “ none “ ; peculiar as she could hear at least 1/3 speaking Russian?! We are Americans who have travelled extensively through the Baltics and Balkans. We took a train from Tallinn to St.Petersburg in 2003. The Russian border guard thought my wife’s necklace gold. Was he surprised when she answered, in Russian, “ it’s simple brass, junior sergeant. “ They left and came back with a shot of vodka and apologized. We parted friends.
A little further detail on your reference to Rosenberg, how his perspective was undermined: I am quoting Alexander Werth's "Russia At War". Rosenberg clearly tried to distinguish at first between the evil great Russians and the Ukrainians who could be used as a bulwark against the Russians. Early in 1941, Rosenberg argued in his usual insane way, that Kiev had been the centre of the Verangian state, which accounted for the strongly Nordic and superior racial features of the Ukrainian people, then in May, he drafted instructions for the future German rule in the Ukraine. Retreating slightly from his goal of immediate statehood, he now envisaged two stages, during the war, Ukraine was to provide the Reich with goods and raw materials, after that, a free Ukrainian state in closest alliance with the German Reich, would assure German influence in the East. To attain these goals one problem must be attacked as rapidly as possible, Ukrainian writers, scholars and politicians must be put to work to revive a Ukrainian historical consciousness, so as to overcome what Bolshevik-Jewish pressure had destroyed in Ukrainian Volksturm in these years. A new great university in Kiev, technical academies, extensive German lecture tours, the elimination of the Russia language, and the intense propagation of the German language and culture, were integral parts of this program. He spoke in terms of extending the future Ukrainian state all the way from Lvov to Saratov on the Volga.This seemingly liberal Rosenberg plan, as well as all its subsequent variants, met with no favour from Hitler, Goering, Himler, or for that matter, Erich Koch, Reichskomissar for the Ukraine, who pointedly set up his headquarters in the provincial town of Rovno and not in kiev, which was not to be given even the semblance of a capital. The various emigres, who had been hanging around Rosenberg for years, such as the senile Skoropadskyi, who had been the German-appointed Hetman of the Ukraine back in 1918, were not taken seriously by any of the top Nazis, except by Rosenberg himself. Even Bandera, the ferociously anti-Polish and anti-Jewish Ukrainian nationalist leader in the Western Ukraine, was arrested by the Germans at the beginning of the war and sent to Berlin, where he was interned until 1944, when the hard-pressed Germans decided that he might still have his uses, meantime Galicia, that is the Western Ukraine, was simply incorporated into the German-ruled Government General of Poland. Melnyk, another Ukrainian nationalist leader, was no luckier than Bandera. To Hitler, to Goering, to Himmler and to Erich Koch, the Ukrainians were untermenschen, just like the Russians. Goering is quoted as having said, "the best thing would be to kill all men in the Ukraine and then to send in the SS stallions." He also cheerfully envisaged the possibility in 1941 of 20 or 30 million people dying of hunger in Russia, during the following year. Koch, a representative of the most extreme untermensch school of thought, was appointed overlord of Ukraine at Goering's insistence.
Unfortunately there are still a number of Ukrainians today for whom Bandera is a hero. I hope there aren't many. We must also remember the 2,500 Ukrainians who risked their lives to save Jews. Thank you for the episode of a very troubled place in this world.
"In late 1942, when Bandera was in a German concentration camp, his organization, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, was involved in a massacre of Poles in Volhynia and, in early 1944, ethnic cleansing also spread to Eastern Galicia. It is estimated that more than 35,000 and up to 60,000[66] Poles, mostly women and children along with unarmed men, were killed during the spring and summer campaign of 1943 in Volhynia, and up to 100,000 if other regions, such as Eastern Galicia, are included.[67][68] Despite the central role played by Bandera's followers in the massacre of Poles in western Ukraine, Bandera himself was interned in a German concentration camp when the concrete decision to massacre the Poles was made and when the Poles were killed.[clarification needed] According to Yaroslav Hrytsak, Bandera was not completely aware of events in Ukraine during his internment from the summer of 1941 and had serious differences of opinion with Mykola Lebed, the OUN-B leader who remained in Ukraine and who was one of the chief architects of the massacres of Poles.[69][70][unreliable source?]" Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
Learn your history men. Bandera was all over the place, but all his aspirations were mainly directed towards going in the direction of a sovereign Ukraine. And he did a lot of messed up shit along the way & did a lot of deals with the devil, to try to get to that goal. He was between Nazi Germany and Holodomor Stalinism. It's far from simple.
I'm Ukrainian Canadian and Stepan Banderas grandson whos also named Stepan Bandera lives here in Canada too with are Ukrainian Canadian communities. We have Ukrainian cemeteries with stepan Bandera statues and SS Galicia soldiers buried here. support for Stepan Bandera is very big here in Canada like in Ukraine as well.
You are very intelligent Professor Stephan. I appreciate how you share legitimate information, with quotes and diagrams , etc ; to establish credibility. Many times your videos have shown us the unspoken facts of Europe's history an how it effects the world today. Bravo and Encore. Thank you Professor Stephan
Dear Mr Stephan, Thank you for sharing this obscure bit of history. I really enjoy this, but there is one small problem: Would you be so kind as to stop using German and Nazi interchangeably; Not all Germans are Nazi's, nor are all Nazi's German.
Because they were fascists.Oh,and also imho the term "galicians" is more correct,and specific,since the phenomenon of collaboration occured mainly in the western regions.
That did play a part. There are other aspects as well. I invite you to watch the video (if you haven't) and let me know what your thoughts are on the topic after watching it.
"In late 1942, when Bandera was in a German concentration camp, his organization, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, was involved in a massacre of Poles in Volhynia and, in early 1944, ethnic cleansing also spread to Eastern Galicia. It is estimated that more than 35,000 and up to 60,000[66] Poles, mostly women and children along with unarmed men, were killed during the spring and summer campaign of 1943 in Volhynia, and up to 100,000 if other regions, such as Eastern Galicia, are included.[67][68] Despite the central role played by Bandera's followers in the massacre of Poles in western Ukraine, Bandera himself was interned in a German concentration camp when the concrete decision to massacre the Poles was made and when the Poles were killed.[clarification needed] According to Yaroslav Hrytsak, Bandera was not completely aware of events in Ukraine during his internment from the summer of 1941 and had serious differences of opinion with Mykola Lebed, the OUN-B leader who remained in Ukraine and who was one of the chief architects of the massacres of Poles.[69][70][unreliable source?]" Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
Learn your history men. Bandera was all over the place, but all his aspirations were mainly directed towards going in the direction of a sovereign Ukraine. And he did a lot of messed up shit along the way & did a lot of deals with the devil, to try to get to that goal. He was between Nazi Germany and Holodomor Stalinism. It's far from simple.
Where did you learn that Wikipedia??? USSR occupied Baltic countries Belorussia Ukraine and they deported people to Siberia,the Bolsheviks were just as bad if not worse than nazis..it had nothing to do with nazi ideology,these people just wanted the worst of two evils out there country...they thought if they helped Germany win the war,Germany would help them gain statehood
@@richarddetlaff-gc3kk Well,unfortunately for the noble-guys-crashed-by-history's-millstones theory these guys did not "just" choose the "lesser evil"(lol...)but were willing collaborators in the holocaust of jews and other "undesirables",like poles in the case of the banderists,from day one. And to this very day their grandchildren celebrate them,complete with feldgrau uniforms,stahlhelms and SS regalia,(in Esthonia they made a film about 20th SS),or in the case of ukraine openly proclaim they continue their work with organisations like right sector,azov etc etc...."worse than nazis",LOL...
When discussing the current Ukrainian crisis, I commented that there is a lot of history there. My friend said, “That was then and this is now!” I wish life was that simple. NATO is digging up the ghosts of WW2. In 1939 Germany and Russia signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression pact and then they partitioned Poland out of existence. The Western part of Poland was absorbed in the German Reich and the East into Belarus and Ukraine. After the war Poland was given Silesia, Pomerania and a large part of East Prussia. The German population was expelled and it was as if the entire Polish nation had been moved 400 miles to the West. However, Poland's claim to Russia are still valid, except that today, these lands are in Ukraine and Belarus. Ghosts of a tumultuous history yet to be resolved...
Your point of idealogical motivation feels spot on! Maybe heavily propagated youth might find inspiration, but survival as motivation certainly has carried many more flags.
Ukraine saw some of the fiercest pogroms and Nazis like Stephan Banderas are still venerated by the majority of the ethnic Ukrainian citizens. Thank you for shedding a light on this since this is critical information.
Also, is it the majority who venerate ? (I realize he is venerated by some or many, but stil- given the country's west part's history is different from the east's or south's...)
Yet again Stefan, great video. My only comment is that Stalin's Holodomor had the Ukrainian's growing wheat and other food that were systematically taken to starve them. Two evils they had to endure. Cheers
@@HistoryHustle If you look at the map of the Reichskommissariat Ukraine and compare this to the current situation (of April 2022) you may notice some similarities if you go through the press and where some countries (not only a certain one not to be named) have claims on Ukrainian territory.
Good point made about idealism vs survival. I was quite surprised to hear about the level of Anti-Semitism that existed in Ukraine. But then again a lot of Jewish people were probably concentrated there in therms of the old Pale of Settlement. A lot of Anti-Semites must be turning in their graves now that the President (who is doing a kick ass job by the way) of Ukraine is Jewish.
how is present president doing a "kick ass job". he is clinging to power because he gets $millions from corrupt corporations. his next appearance in front of a green screen coming soon. meanwhile the conflict drags on as USA arm Ukraine - all the $millions the Biden's got 2014-2019 i suppose.
I read that, in the older history, many Jews where working for the Polidh landowners as administrators and tax collectors. As such they became the target of the wrath of the farmers, and not the polish upperclass - a desired effect by the landownwers.
@@aasphaltmueller5178 And didn't (anti-semitic) Stalin recruit disproportionately-Jewish men to steal the Ukrainians' food during the Holodomor, for much the same reason?
Interesting fact Also were Soviet Ukrainian partisans,commanded by Sydor Kovpak,and they fought against UPA,during one of that battles died their commisar Rudnev (he was Ukrainian NKVD member).And most famous,that they did was the Karpaty Raid,where they sabotaged German oil pipelines.
They were not fighting for a free Ukraine. They did not know they were not fighting for that, they were fighting for German colonization and germanization of the region which would be completed in 50-100 years. (German colonization on Eastern Europe never came into practice during the war but was planned after the war. Ukrainians fighting on their side thought they were fighting for free Ukraine but only fighting unknowingly for German colonization of the region.
Excellent! It is incredibly difficult at this time to remain neutral and be a real historian and researcher. Respect! (However, those who support the dominant propaganda have more subscribers and money. This is the law of the yellow press).
The germans had some excellent opportunities for collaboration both in Ukraine and Belarus. They squandered those opportunities because they let ideology get in the way of pragmatism.
Continental Europe couldn't feed itself in the 1940s, so (with access to North American food cut off by the Royal Navy) they basically _had_ to commit genocide somewhere (they chose occupied Soviet territories for racial reasons) so that the rest of Nazi-occupied Europe could eat.
@@HistoryHustle Actually it was Germany's experience of malnutrition under Royal Navy blockade in the FIRST World War that was a key factor in the development of Nazi ideology in the first place! Read Adam Tooze's "The Wages of Destruction" for more.
I have read that so much more often in soldiers' diaries from different countries, that many had not joined the army out of ideology, but purely to get food and clothing. Join or starve, litterally. Big Fat Thumbs-up again 👍! Greets from the North 🌷, Tonny.
Nice video. However, with what Ukrainians did to Russians last 8 years (supporting ultra nationalists movements, forbidding Russian language and cultural heritage and basically striping them of their rights in Ukraine itself and i know this is off the topic of this video but one cannot help but to mention these things in light of current happenings in Ukraine) it is more than obvious current Ukraine regime is heavily anti Russian to the point it is resembling to that minority that was on Nazi side during WW2 (ofc there is bigger strategic game involved in NATO/Russia relations about not spreading NATO east but Ukraine regime itself just added to that with its behavior). And people today ask themselves why Yugoslav wars happened and believed their media it was bad "Serbians who wanted to exterminate other nations", no one seems to ask them selves how Serbian population in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina felt when they again saw daemonic "U" of the Ustasha on public buildings (i know this is also going off the Ukraine but it is somehow connected in that instance how Russian population felt from 2014 when Ukraine regime started to take down their privileges and allow ultra nationalists movements which are btw in all countries in EU forbidden). A lot of there to think off and could definitely be written so much but there is not space here and i am feeling i already went over the "edge"... ps. sorry for involving present day politics in your video but to me it is all somehow connected. War is hell!
As for going over the "edge" I think we should see things in perspective. Sure, NATO and Ukraine made mistakes, but that doesn't justify such a full scale invasion to a country that never posed a threat. NATO is a defensive allience that never had set a foot on Russian soil. And there is a reason that many of the former post Soviet states doesn't want to belong to Russia any longer. It's never black and white. But in this case I see it as very dark grey and very light grey.
@@HistoryHustle NATO is not a defensive alliance, although it should be at least on paper, and it proved many, many times, Yugoslavia wasn't attacking anybody nor threatened to do so (Turkey every little bit just raze to the ground Kurds in Iraq and around its border and no one seems to question human rights of Kurds and their right to choose for themselves ofc because Turkey is a NATO member and in very sensitive position because of Russia) and was bombed by NATO and without UN mandate, there were no Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, yet it was assaulted without mercy by NATO and result was over million civilians dead and still are dying because of NATO actions in that region and again, there was no UN mandate for those actions to, i am not even going to start about Libya, Syria, Yemen. United states, Great Britain, France all to often use human rights as excuse to bomb other countries providing evidences for justification that are lets say at least very questionable and for things to be worse several times proven that are notorious lies. NATO never set foot on Russian soil or any other who have nuclear weapons because they have those weapons and that is the only reason why they didnt do it. None of former soviet republics was ever threatened by Russia in any way last from 1985 onward 20 plus years until Aphasia where Russia just did the same what NATO was already doing for 20 years. Russian strategic bomber flights were absent for thirty years form worlds skies and they proved they dont have aggressive intentions toward anyone (ofc flights resumed when they saw how naive they were to trust western countries). One of first things Putin did was to offer to be part of the NATO or EU and they rejected him or people seems to forget these things!? Why not accept him and have common ally and partner, he would never attacked Ukraine if he was member of NATO naturally because Ukraine to would become NATO member . Someone in Moscow calculated that Ukraine as NATO member will allow US to have huge strategic advantage in case of war between two countries (US vs Russia) because US rockets would fly faster to Russian targets and there will be rocket shield toward Russia that could tip the scales decisively so He proposed intervention in Ukraine. This all looks oddly similar to Cuban missile crisis, oh wait, it is almost completely same scenario only this time US is one setting missiles in Russia's backyard and Russia didnt do it anywhere near US so who is aggressive here (i remember US setting missiles in Turkey first and Soviets reacted with Cuba and than there was compromise, It is easy for you to recognize this as you are historian to)!?!? I must stop here because it cant be all said in one comment on You Tube but i must say things are not light or dark grey they are DARK DARK GREY form my perspective at least. To conclude about current invasion, am I defending it, NO, absolutely not, but i am seeing it as logical and natural way of reaction by Putin after what US/ NATO did last 30 years to world and to his country with their hypocritical double standard policy . They (US/NATO/EU) had opportunity that is given once in a 1000 years to make friendly relations with Russia after dissolution of USSR and because of profit and love for power they threw it away and what is really great tragedy is that western public is hugely manipulated by its media that any sensible talk with wider population is completely impossible because of one way indoctrination.
Book "Stalin's defectors" gives intresting insight on this, one very different from that of offical Soviet and Ukrainian emigration, both incomplete and biased but in opposite direction. Nationalism played a very insignificant, barely even mentioned reason, for defecting. Defetism and political disaffection played a major role, but almost none expressed will to fight activly against Stalinism. Ukrainians showed slightly larger rates of political disaffection (41,3% in comparison to 34,4% among all of defectors) citing lack of freedom and kolhoz hardships. They often mention liberation of homeland, but rarely did that reffer to Ukraine. Ukrainians even mentioned "German strugge for liberation of Russian people". Both Ukrainians and Russians among defector saw each other as "nashi". Famine of 32-33 was remembered, but it wasn't blamed on Russians, but on Bolsheviks. Grivences among Ukrainians were shared by most of Soviet peasentry and rates of both defections and arrests for collaboration are almost the same in occupied parts of RSFR and Ukraine.
@@HistoryHustle "Collaborator" is a loaded term. Is it fair to say that those who fought on the Soviet side were also "collaborators"? By many measures, the Soviet Union was the "evil empire" and at the end of the war Churchill himself said that "we slaughtered the wrong pig".
They also made even their own project of Constitution in 1941. Check it out you ll find very "interesting" ideas from the first page. And now those writers are ukranian heroes.
Nowadays we all should help Ukrainians, we Poles help them as much as we can, but why shoould we forget about history while they still dont apologize at all. It s just unfair to the memory about the victims of ukrainians especially during not well known in the western Europe Wolyn massacre when ukrainians murder from 50 000 up to 100 000 polish civilians. If you want show a full scale image of what happened in Eastern Lesser Poland (in german Galicia) why you talk about few thousands of killed Jews and not about far more killed polish civilians. You also forget that it s not only Ruthenians (later Ukrainians) but also polish land. Poles were the majority of most of big cities like Lwów or Tarnopol and those cities are important part of polish culture and history. My great grandgrandfather was polish army officer the commander of polish underground Home Army Brzeżany Oblast in current Ukraine and in his memoirs, he described the inhuman crimes that the Ukrainians committed against the Polish population. My second grandgrandfather also lived in current Ukraine in the city of Rohatyń. When russian occupants came Ukrainians in Rohatyń were so happy and he was taken to łagr in Siberia. During and after war when Poland was betrayed by allies in Yalta and Stalin stole from Poland Wilno Lwów etc my ancestors lose all of property to ukrainian occupant. So to sum up of course we should now support Ukrainians but please dont trust the historicial propaganda of them.
First of all, Lviv was founded by Danylo Halytskyi, and he has nothing to do with your "Polish culture". You were the occupiers in Lviv! Secondly, everyone wants an apology from us, but why does no one want to apologize to us for pacification, polonization? Why do "good Poles" forget about their "good" deeds? don't you think you're insolent?
Timely rush to make up excuses given the news today... - But it's true MOST Ukrainians fought against the Nazis. But in the cradle of Ukrainian nationalism, the western parts occupied by Poland after WW1, those nationalists eagerly killed Jews (and sometimes Poles), volunteered for police or camp guard duty, and some fought under Nazi command to kill partisans and civilians in Belarus. After WW2 ended, US Army Intelligence knew of these sadistic genocidal war criminals (their words) but they were welcomed to the USA and PROTECTED, and CIA funded through the 1980s in order to eventual "regime change" later. Common Ukrainians were just fodder for this effort to keep the cancerous western Ukrainian ideology alive.
For some that did play a part. There are other aspects as well. I invite you to watch the video (if you haven't) and let me know what your thoughts are on the topic after watching it.
Too many people do not know that there was no Poland for 123 years. It is important for people to know this. But most of them do not today. On October 24, 1795, Austrian, Prussian, and Russian representatives met to dissolve the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, known as the Third Partition of Poland, which ended the existence of an independent Polish and Lithuanian state for the next 123 years. Basically the Germans invaded what was part of The German Empire and recklessly taken from them. Were they just supposed to accept this?
It's true Poland dissapeared from the map. The Polish people however did not. So once partitioned many ethnic Poles were living in both Germany, Russia and Austria. Due to nationalism in the 19th century their will for an independent Poland was strengthened. After WW1 they proclaimed their new independence. For Germans they wanted their territory to be returned and it fueled the Nazis to rally support.
@@HistoryHustle There were only 3.5m Poles in the Prussian partition territories of 1795. The Industrial Revolution got started in Prussia (generally placed around the mid-1830s). That territory was buildings, factories, homes, farms, prime real estate and property in general. It is not just about land. Even after the first recreation of Poland after WW l, many of the Germans and Poles worked with one another and got along. It is understandable that the Germans wanted their territory back after such a long time. After WW l, the Poles were given their new independence in a very reckless, capricious way and the Germans that were robbed of their land and assets had nothing to say about it. Again, we go back to the greedy and corrupt way the Treaty of Versailles was written and who it was written by. Stefan, you are not stupid. You know very well about what John Maynard Keynes wrote. Most people do not. The Germans had no representation. It was understandable why many Germans from those areas were furious. On a lighter note, I don't know how the Europeans have survived the chaos they have over the last 200 years to the current events in Ukraine, though the U.S. is in good part to blame for the events in Ukraine. Read what Thomas Friedman wrote for the New York Times, which he had to word very delicately in order to not be vilified. www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/opinion/putin-ukraine-nato.html In plain English, the victors of WW l really F-d-up! The United States and the U.K. are almost always in the vanguard of causing U.S., European, and even global chaos.
@@albertmarnell9976 Why should Poland care about Germany? If there's anything the people notoriously forget, is that the Poles themselves wanted independence, just make some basic research about Józef Piłsudski and Roman Dmowski. The Treaty of Versailles merely confirmed the reappearance of Poland.
@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 After 123 years, they certainly should have cared about the wealth of all of the people that had accumulated over 123 years especially during the industrial revolution. They should have cared about the Poles and the Germans. Józef Piłsudski was born in Lithuania. If a country is going to be recreated, you have to have all participants having a say in the matter. No one said that Poland should not reappear, it is the manner in which all of Europe was redrawn in 1919. Argue with John Maynard Keynes with his "The Economic Consequences of the Peace" (1919) is a book written and published by the British economist John Maynard Keynes.[1] After the First World War, Keynes attended the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 as a delegate of the British Treasury. In his book, he argued for a much more generous peace, not out of a desire for justice or fairness - these are aspects of the peace that Keynes does not deal with - but for the sake of the economic well-being of all of Europe, including the Allied Powers, which the Treaty of Versailles and its associated treaties would prevent. Don't be so nationalistic. It is exactly your attitude that created a WW ll. When people don't care and take what they can, you wind up with a mess such as the United States. My ancestors arrived in the United States from North Germany and Sicily after 1900. I don't want someone telling me that I am on Native Indian land (which I am and it still has the original Indian name) and be told that I have to leave or that I owe slaves from over 150 years ago. There were only 31 million people in the U.S. at that time and the size of the U.S. was so much smaller than today. My ancestors are only here for 95 years or a bit more. When people don't care is when all hell breaks lose. States such as California became part of the United States in 1850, Utah 1896, Texas 1845. Check it all out when you are bored. Do you really think that the Polish borders of today are going to stay that way for eternity? I wouldn't be surprised if even Russian refugees become part of Poland among the many different groups that live in Russia. Personally, at this point in my life, I'm sick of borders and nationalism. I wish there was only one language. One thing that really annoys me are the native dances and the stupid archaic costumes of all countries. I hate that boring nationalistic crap. How I wish I lived in Toronto, Canada! But I'm stuck here with all of these American kooks! I'm one of the rare, sane, intelligent and logical Americans. Do you have any idea what it is like to live in the United States? The only peaceful places are cemeteries in Vermont! BTW, save yourself from European folk dances, you may need Dramamine or a prescription tranquilizer to get through them! It is torture to have to watch that boring, cornball, sanitized, horse shit!
well they are getting invaded by litteral communists so. I can see how there would be some nazi edge lords after 30 million Ukrainians were starved under soviet rule in the 20s and 30s...
Putin is using them to say Ukraine is run by Nazis to justify his invasion of the saying they are attacking Russian ,Jews,and Black African in the country never mind Russia have the largest numbers of neo-Nazis and many Ukrainian still see the Azov Battalion as a Group of Patriots fighting for their country and don't see who they really are because of Putin attack of their country and killing the people in Ukraine
The problem is in Ukrainians mind. Orthodox backgrand. Ukrainians grow up from childhood in heet to Jude polish Russians. 50 000 people was massacred in Wolyn area. That was Polish. Woman children oldest people. Not just Banderas member was murders.
As Ukrainian I would ask you to make a video about repressions made by ussr in 1930's. Many people know about at least one Holodomor - genocide made by stalin (there also was one more caused by stalin and one by lenin), but there are also period that is called "Executed renaissance" where our Ukrainian intelligence was mostly shooted and some were sent to camps, these events happend after pseudo-indigenization policy which had as a goal to spot all Ukrainian intelligence and Ukrainian activists and get rid of them. Also this period was known for russification of our Ukrainian language (linguicide) when our Ukrainian intelligence gathered to make one unique standart of Ukrainian language to gather all dialects of eastern and western Ukraine, but then soviets blamed them in nationalism and then they were sentenced to death penalty and camps and russians mocked our language to make it more similar with russian. Also during period of Executed renaissance notable was a house in Kharkiv which was named "Slovo" where great ammount of Ukrainian intelligence lived and Sandarmokh forest massive where some intelligence was executed, also were notable such literary groups like "Hart", "VAPLITE", (Lanka) "MARS", "Pluh" and some others
As Ukrainian easy explanation for you - after human made Hunger and 7 mln Ukrainian deaths, millions deported to Siberia all these losses were substituted by Russian population. That’s our land , but a lot of people are not UKRAINIANs
@@HistoryHustle Western Ukrainians were direct victims of soviet oppression when they occupied in 1939. People started getting deported to Siberia left and right
Dutch culture wears its directness and bluntness as a badge of honor. Whatever thought pops into their heads, too many of them just free associate like a gumball falling onto their tongue. Too many in the culture have no filter. If you show them your baby, they might say, "That's an ugly baby!" Then to do damage control if they have the sense to, the Dutch think that offering you a banana for your monkey makes everything okay. How about trying to retain a thought for a minute before letting every thought drop to the tongue?
@@HistoryHustle Thank you Stefan! I've met enough people from the Netherlands here over the decades. Only one Dutch guy was a total gentleman and was aware of the cultural differences. He worked for probably KLM.
Other than having a gun pointed at your back, I have no idea why anyone would fight for Stalin. It would be interesting to see how the war would have turned out if the Germans had, in fact, been liberators instead of wolves.
Chrystia Freeland is the current Deputy Prime Minister in Canada. She is the daughter of Halyna Chomiak Freeland, who is in turn the daughter of Michael Chomiak, a Nazi propagandist during WWII. This RU-vid explains the complexities of Ukrainians, the mindset of many Ukrainians and why they became Nazis. It is worth pointing out that Halyna not only became a lawyer and advocate of human rights. She contributed to the drafting of the Ukrainian constitution, 1992-2002. The Ukrainian Nazi brought up his daughter to fight for human rights. A sentiment that exists in Chrystia Freeland today (even though she is an elitist and far from perfect).
They were so fed up with Beria and Stalin. Great Terror. Stalinist Famine of Ukraine. While I disagree on turning on their Jewish neighbors or any mass murders of Roma or Poles. It is not that surprising. It easy to see why they hated Russians going back to Ivan the Terrible. Poles, Finns and Balts hated Russians. Even Irish nationalists who hated British looked upon Germans as allies.
For some that did play a part. There are other aspects as well. I invite you to watch the video (if you haven't) and let me know what your thoughts are on the topic after watching it.
Ukrainian nationalists saw the Poles as oppressors too, not just the Soviets. In fact they were strongest in the western part Ukraine that was under Polish rule before the war.
Dutch had some other motivations to join the SS. Love to share my video with you on it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bQlF0ia-ABA.html
@@HistoryHustle hij was de eerste pro-amerikaan Sovjet leider. Hij verkocht onze grond naar Israël voor sinaasappels... "Orange deal" (nu Israël is onder controle van VS), illegaal Russische crimea als cadeau naar Ukraine gegeven (nu Ukraine is ook onder controle van VS), Alaska was gehuurd door Amerika tm 1957, maar Nikita Khruschev geeft deze grond ook als een cadeautje voor VS gegeven....
In England before the war we had a fascist party who supported Hitler ,Mosley was his name if Germany had invaded it could of been very different in our country with his supporters
@@HistoryHustle I have (very carefully) watched the video and you were spot on as always. Thank you! But to reiterate on what others said: maybe you shouldn't 'coincidentally' post this kind of videos in this specific moment if you don't want the people to draw analogy with present time, whether you personally think it's merited or not.
@@National-Democrat.Ukrainian 1)bandera wasn't imprisoned when lwow massacre and babiy yar happened (lwow massacre happened from june 30 till late july, babi yar started in the end of september) 2)even after bandera's inprisonment his closer helper shukhevich (also "hero" of modern ukraine) and many other members of oun(b) continued to cooperate with germany
I remember the disintegration of the USSR I was a child, I asked my father Who are these Belarusians now? These are real Russians, he replied. And then who are the Russians That's 100 mixed nations And who are the Ukrainians These are fascists. He answered shortly. That was 1989.
"Russians" have in reality 2 (or even 3) meanings: 1th is the actual russian slavic nation, one of the "3 sisters": belorussians, ukraininan and the "great/big russians" (velikorossy) of the middle Russia themselves. The secon meaning of russians are those "3 sisters" together. Because for example in tsarist russian empire the ukrainians were actually called mallorossians which means "small russians" and Belorussia means actually "white Russia". So all those 3 folks can be considered as "russians". And the third meaning of russians (especially abroad it is seen like this) is all people from the tsarist Russian Empire, Soviet Union or todays Russian Federation no matter of what nation. Also sometimes people of the post soviet countries in the west are considered as russians because they speak russian among each other and have in some way a common "russian spirit". The problem with Ukraine is that part of it was occupied under western (Austrian-hungary) or Turkey rule. Those countries raised a special breed of people who have anti-russian spirit engraved in them. This is similar what the West is trying to do now in Ukraine thru the hands of Kiev regime. Those people try to "kill the russian inside themselves" and then go east and kill the real russians physically. The ancient term for those people is bEnderovtsy. BAnderovtsy (after Stephan Bandera) came later, during the 20th century. Benderovtsy is called after the city of Bendery where they flew after they collaborated with swedens king Karl who lost the Poltava battle. This is a "coincidence" (but there is a proverb: "coincidence is the sign of God") that benderovtsy and banderovtsy sounds almost the same. But not all ukrainians are fascists/benderovtsy/banderovtsy. But you can see that the history of Ukraine is somehow repeating during centuries: first benderovtsy collaborated with Sweden, then with Third Reich, now with the USA and their western empire. And every time benderovtsy loose and flee to the west: Bendery, Canada and now to ... this is the question where the high rancs of them will be moved: to estern or western Europe, to the USA or Canada. Or they will be just abandonded by the west.
@@RoadToFuture007 dragi alex, to je bio samo moj mali osvrt i secanje na pokojnog oca koji je na tako banalan i smesan nacin podelio ruse. Znam vrlo dobro o cemu si govorio jer je kroz istoriju, moj narod, prolazio identicne stvari. Sve su to slovenska posla. Na zalost, ne umemo nista da resimo bez prolivanja krvi.
@@zoricadjuric12 Yes, this is an inner slavic problem which the west is exploiting. But don't think too bad about the slavs: look at westerners, they are even less united than us, look at all the world wars. They are only united unless they have a weak enemy whos ressources they can rob and until they don't have significant losses. Are you from Serbia or Slovakia?
@@RoadToFuture007 course, I don't think anything bad about the Slavs, on the contrary, at the moment I hate the West more than ever and I'm sorry that Russia and Ukraine have not learned anything from the example of the former Yugoslavia. the same took place as during our wars. I'm afraid it won't last for a few years. That would be a big disaster. And Putin didn't need to do this. He shouldn't have. It had to be resolved differently. This is all we have to do is pray to the Lord for peace.
For some that did play a part. There are other aspects as well. I invite you to watch the video (if you haven't) and let me know what your thoughts are on the topic after watching it.
Here’s a clip trying to justify, not just collaborating with Hitler, but also war crimes which consisted of Stepan Bandera’s fascists on the Eastern Front in WW2.
I'll veer off topic a bit. I'm curious what you think about my thoughts. You can pass. Zelensky is surrounded by Nazis. These are all people who I'm sure adhere to the "stabbed in the back" myth. As a Jew, surrounded by hostile Nazis I think it would be hard for him (Zelensky) to agree to anything which involves losing Ukrainian territory. Ukraine could have asked for NATOs help denazifying the country for the past 8 years instead of training them. Zelensky would be in a stronger position now and possibly not even at war. Just another failure to learn from the past. There were those who thought they could use the Nazis too, to achieve their goals who found out later they were wrong.
Surrounded by nazis? Care to point them out? At the moment there is not even one far right wing party represented in the ukranian parliament. There are some ultra-nationalist groups in Ukraine (Azov is the best known element), but you can find those in Russia too. See also: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OxM1TplHlos.html
That is the Russian narrative, and it is not true. In the last 2 elections the extreme right got less than 3 %. On the other hand, Russia is nowadays a fascist dictatorship.
@@kimwit1307 do some research. I've been paying attention since the Nazis burned those people to death in the trade union building back during maidan. I don't have time to catch you up on what's been happening in Ukraine for the past 7+ years.
@@claudermiller Again, there is no nazi-involvement in the ukranian government and in general society the ultra-nationalists are a fringe group. Sure, you will find some far0right groups, as in almost every western country, but in ukraine it is in fact much less than in other western countries. Btw: you will find relatively more nazi-activity in russia (state supported even). You've been drinking the kremlin-coolaid.
