There's also a distinct "variety" of Flemish in Belgium, which is the one learned and spoken by native Walloons. It mostly differs in pronunciation (heavily French/Walloon inflenced) and by overusage of Dutchified French loanwords and verbs. For example they pronounce W's like in English and the R's like French.
That's not a variety. That's just a French accent. It is not official. We pronounce like this bc it's not our native language and learn it at school. I'm Walloon but roll my Rs and don't pronounce my Ws like in English
I think you meant the Flemish spoken in Brussels and Brabant. It’s not really spoken by the Walloons but rather by the native Flemish and Brusselian Dutch speakers. As a side note you can check the local Flemish dialect of Brussels, the Brusseleir. It has the same characteristics that you’ve mentioned. Although endangered, it is still spoken by the elderly native Flemish speakers of Brussels :))
I am Flemish and prefer "Vlaams" cause the language is a lot softer spoken than "Dutch". It also shows the mindset of Flemish people : Quiet and Reserved. You can't learn Flemish as such, you need to learn "Nederlands" and afterwards stay some time in Flandres.
No ..... Big mistake, to think they have a french accent. It's the french who have a flemish accent. The franks, who created France, were a germanic tribe that came from current Belgium. That's why french doesn't sound latin.
It is, the pronounces of the g is soft like German. The Dutch adapted the Hollandic dialect and forced other people to speak this too. That's why other dialects are dying in The Netherlands
@@riazedn4728 Because I'm not Surinamese, but I'm Indonesian. We Indonesian only learn English as second language. Indonesian is first language and regional language is third language
@@NiallCummingsThese cities are majority Chti, although Dunkirk has a Flemish past and still has a large Flemish minority. Flemish people are a majority in a small area between these cities, around the Hazebroek area. Unfortunately, both Chti and Flemish are dying languages, and most Flemish and Chti people in France speak only French (I myself come from that area and am mixed Flemish-Chti, but my family speak almost exclusively French and no Flemish at all). It’s worth noting that there’s a difference between Flemish as a language, and Flemish as a dialect of Dutch. The Flemish language (Vloams) is a sister language of Dutch spoken in western Flanders and French Flanders, while the Flemish dialect of Dutch is what we heard in the video, and comes from the Brabants region Flanders and the Netherlands. This dialect is unfortunately replacing Vloams in western Flanders, and Limburgish language in Belgian Limburg
They are, The region used to be part of the West-Flandres region until 1667. It became part of France. Initially France forced everyone to speak only French but some older people still speak the West Flandres dialect from that time. There is even a small revival of that dialect as it is dying out. You can also still see some small towns having a Flemish name.
"Flemish" is here the named given to the belgian way of pronouncing their official dutch language. Actually, like in switzerland, very distinct dialects are spoken even by young educated people, and that's what we call vlaams (flemish). They can be impossible to understand between one another. Speaking dutch, or even speaking french, is then what they do.
That's actually not completly true. I am a person from West-Flanders(in Flanders we speak dutch so you can't reallly call yourself a Flemish speaker.) And I understand almost everything Dutch. It's the same in the other way but if people are from example from far away it can be a little bit more difficult to understand us but I also sometimes mumble a bit.
Don't forget that the VOC existed thanks to Flemish people. We made Leiden (city) big due to immigration and this is where the wealth in The Netherlands started.
@@Deelom100 dat betekent niet dat jullie het hebben opgericht Johan van Oldenbarnevelt heeft de Voc opgericht in Middelburg in het jaar 1602 Vlaamse was nog niet eens een ding in die tijd De imigranten van wat nu België is Hebben wel arbeids werk gedaan voor de Voc
@@timothytruterhes spewing false information The VOC started in Middelburg around the year 1602 And the man that started the company was Johan Oldenbarnevelt
It is quite difficult to define standard Dutch, since ABN (Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands) is gradually making way for Poldernederlands. The Dutch in the story about the wren is not ABN either, but influenced by (wild guess) South-Holland dialect.
They can understand each other if they use the standard language as it is learned in both countries. It is exactly the same as everywhere in the world. A country is using several dialects and the rulers decide to make a general language to be able to talk all over the country. The most extreme example of this is Indonesia.
Belgian Dutch (Flemish)is heavily influenced by French in terms of loanwords and synthax, whereas Dutch Dutch (Netherlands) is more influenced by German and most recently by English loanwords and synthax.
@@pvisit exceptions do exist. But generally Flemish Dutch has alot more french loanwords compared to Dutch Dutch. I think that exception is so iconic that Dutch tourists are sometimes ridicoulsy asking for "Jus d'orange"of apples....On the other hand Flemish tourists asking for fruitsap (fruit juice): dutch people will ask from which fruit you want to have juice: oranges, peaches, apples, pineapple....
I actually think that Belgium Dutch has more English influences. like they use words like Job, Jeans and so on. nowadays it seems like people want to keep the Dutch language in The Netherlands pure Dutch, I actually think that the trend of English loanwords arent that relevant anymore than it was before in the 2000s. French loanwords are more normal in Belgium/Flemish while in The Netherlands they sound posh or even old fashion to use too much.
Er zijj 3 varianten van het Nederlands 2 in Europa. Dus het Nederlands van Nederland en België. En Zuid Amerikaans (Caribisch Nederlands). Dus Suriname
Exactly. I wonder who made this. Probably a Walloon living Brussels? 😄 Why ? Brussels is integrated in Wallonia and everything is marked in French/Dutch.
Wat een nonzens dit. Het echte Vlaams is een dialect van het Nederlands. Het Nederlands wordt gesproken in België, Nederland en Suriname. De standaardtaal in Nederland en België is vrijwel gelijk (wat deze video ook bewijst). De officiële namen zijn noord-nederlands & Zuid-Nederlands. De reden dat men de standaardtaal in België ook Vlaams noemt, is omdat het gebied Vlaanderen heet. Vergelijk het met québécois... Dat is Frans en geen aparte taal. Het heet enkel zo omdat de regio Québec heet. Dit is dus geen video over een taalvergelijking tussen 2 verschillende talen. Voor het Vlaams dialect (oost&west), zie bv Wikipedia.
Ever wondered why the accents in Flemish TV shows are different and often contain traits that are specific to Belgium Dutch dialects? There is something called in-between language, an unofficial variety of Dutch, which is used in daily official communication and media. You could refer to that variety as "Flemish" when you mean the language used in the whole Flemish region, not to confuse with actual Flemish dialects spoken in the East and West Flanders provinces.
yes, It's both Dutch language actually. the difference is that flemish side of Belgium has another standard Dutch dialect than they use in The Netherlands. but even in Flanders/Limburg(Dutch & Belgian sides) they have different accents who are very different, and in The Netherlands as well, except that they have a province(Friesland) with their own language called Frisian.
Not all Belgians can easily communicate with Dutch speakers, as Belgium has three official languages: Dutch, French, and German. Most Wallonians speak French and often have limited proficiency in Dutch, making communication challenging. In contrast, Flemish people, who speak Dutch, generally have an easier time with other languages, including French and English. This linguistic divide highlights Belgium's regional language differences.
Keep in mind that Dutch is in Belgium one of three official languages. Beside, it's an artificial country (didn't exist before 1830) where there's less and less unity.
The american r's are pretty recent and only really in the west of the Netherlands I would rather call it "Hollandic" together with the over the top "g"
Pronuncation of R and G vary throughout the Netherlands. Not everyone has this American R. I'm from the South of the Netherlands, I roll my Rs, but not as emphasized as in Flemish. Also my G is closer to the Flemish version, but not as soft.
@@BobWitlox Is there a reason why people in the west speak with “american R’s”? Is it even because of US cultural hegemony or just a quirky shift in pronunciation?
