Neural DSP Quad Cortex - KSR PA50 VS SD PS200

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We are going to find out if we can get the Solid State Seymour Duncan to sound like an all tube power amp.... The KSR PA50. Is it worth the extra 600 dollars? Is the 200 watt SS amp actually louder than a 50 all tube amp? We have a dB meter to tell us. More to come between these!
I'd also like this video to be an open discussion on thoughts. As always I am here learning about these products as much as you are!
0:00 Intro
1:12 The plan
2:06 Clean test
3:36 Crunch test
6:09 Slo mod Jet city High Gain
9:07 Tweaking the SD PS200
10:51 KSR PA50 Hi-Fi mode
14:45 EVH5153 Red Factory capture
16:38 Loudness test with dB meter
21:03 Outro thoughts
#KSRPA50 #KSR #NeuralDSP #QuadCortex #seymourduncan #SDPS200 #shootout #tubevsSS #tube #solidstate #DMD

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@joshsmith7033 Год назад

Bro, thank you. There's literally no tube power amp videos on RU-vid. You're saving my life.

@DeathMetalDevin Год назад

Glad it helped man

@LOLOLOL1ish 3 месяца назад

Dude thank you!!! This video was exactly what I was looking for. QC thru both a SDPS200 and KSRPA50

@DeathMetalDevin 3 месяца назад

Glad it helped dude! Thanks for the sub too

@markk9184 Год назад

I don't want to be held back...LOL! Great video! Now you have me thinking about the KSR! Nice riffage. Subbed

@tonefreak3403 2 года назад

Interesting video! The KSR is definitely my first choice. To this day tubes still have the bloom that solid state just don't have. I would keep the PA-50!🤘

@DeathMetalDevin 2 года назад

Naturally! It's still not a "tube amp" in the sense of being the real thing but it is so close. I'd be curious if they ever use pre amp tubes in something like the quad cortex. Then we have a tube amp

@lgv3051 2 года назад

I have a PA 50 and its perfect for me. Also have a Quilter Pro Block 200 solid state amp that i used for years but the KSR is the only one i use now. I don't play through a modeler though. I use a Ceres or Vesta pre amp. That plus a couple different overdrives gets me every tone i want. Everything from classic rock to extreme metal to surf, punk, ska, thrash, blues. You name it. But it is still a 50 watt amp. You are not going to play a stadium with that and a 2x12

@DeathMetalDevin 2 года назад

An experienced man! Cheers!

@danyeo Год назад

You can play any stadium with a 50 watt amp once your cab is miced up.

@viniciusbertucci 4 месяца назад

A 50w amp is 3 decibels quieter than a 100w one. If you can't play at the stadium with a 50w, you can't play with a 100w either.

@baumansound 2 года назад

Amazing! Awesome test!! Next video should be to test to answer your (and our) final question! hahaha. What blows up first? The SD? The KSR? Or the speakers themselves???? So basically we are still at a standstill. My SD ALWAYS light up, and I have no ida what the hell I am damaging.... still sounds good for what i'm playing, but no idea what I'm doing to the gear. The way I use it, is to have the rythms to NOT light it up, and the solo boosted scene to light it up a bit. Running just the SD without putting my sound to the monitors, while using earplugs, is not cutting it. Is loud, yes, but not loud enough for a loud metal band WITHOUT going through the PAs.

@DeathMetalDevin 2 года назад

Thanks for coming over to the channel man! I'm still trying to find answers to our questions for sure!

@reubentrapp 8 месяцев назад

Awesome video you deserve way more subscribers!

@DeathMetalDevin 8 месяцев назад

Thanks so much man! I'm tryin!!!

@MillVillagePraise 2 года назад

Can you share the capture of the twin on the QC cloud? I have been looking for a good one. Thanks!

@DeathMetalDevin 2 года назад

Check my cloud at DMDQC. it's the 4th and 5th one down

@sheldonswan45 Год назад

How do like the feel of the QC compared to your tube amps? Thanks

@thehomienicked8208 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for this great video. I have been looking at the Powerstage 700 for use with my Quad Cortex. My only question is whether, assuming that I have a nice bass cabinet, it will work well for bass. I play some guitar too, but mostly bass. Do you have any experience using either of these power amps for bass?

@DeathMetalDevin 8 месяцев назад

Sorry to say but I personally don't. I dabble with bass only because I record with it and have a dark glass micro tubes 500 amp so never needed to try. I may take this request on someday to answer some questions around it but typically in my experience bassists tend to go DI into the PA system anyways and use a cab for stage volume. But I'll put it on my list of videos to make!

@thehomienicked8208 8 месяцев назад

@@DeathMetalDevin Thank you very much for your prompt response, Devin. I'm just considering some options at present. I'm mostly an at home player, but I want to start jamming with friends more often again. I'm considering supplementing my QC with a proper amp and cab combo, but was looking at the Powerstage as another alternative. It seems like most FRFR speakers don't do a good job of covering the full range of bass as an instrument. Maybe four cable method with a proper amp and cab (or a combo) is just the answer.

@hockeycanada18 2 года назад

According to the manual for the Seymour Duncan Powerstage 200, clipping occurs when the input volume is to high coming from your modular. Turn down the volume on your modular and then use the powerstage to increase your volume. There should be no clipping at high volumes if you do this.

@DeathMetalDevin 2 года назад

So I think you are referring to the preamp clipping portion. Which makes sense of the pre is getting too much level. The one we are still puzzled about is the power amp clipping. The question is what equipment are we overloading when it comes on and what could it possibly damage if we overload it. More than likely the power amp but what else could that entail. Thanks for the comment and info!

@hockeycanada18 2 года назад

The manual also stated that in the case you are talking about the Powerstage will shut off to protect it. There would be a short waiting period before you can Power it back on. I'm not sure what you are running into it. Check for gain staging if you are running multiple things and check the levels. There really isn't a need to run high volume before the SD 200. Just let the Powerstage do it's job of amplifying the signal. You shouldn't have any clipping if you do that.

@DeathMetalDevin 2 года назад

@@hockeycanada18 That's good to know that it will shut off before blowing up lol. The power amp clipping I don't think has to do anything with what is being pushed into the input. Rather how hard the device its self is being pushed. Yes I could bring the volume down on whatever is going through it but if wasn't clipping the preamp then it wouldn't matter. So the question is still out there. Thanks for going through the manual cause my lazy ass didn't hahaha.

@samlebron 2 года назад

So with running the Powerstage through a 16 ohm cab I noticed and have had the same issues you were bringing up. At 16 ohms with no impedance switch it’s only pushing out at about 50 watts and feels like it’s choking and get to where a tube amp would. I sold my 170 and bought the 700 for this exact reason to give me more headroom with my orange cab and it never goes above halfway. I picked up a KSR PA-50 a few weeks ago and brought it to practice with me. I ran the Duncan and then switched over to the KSR and was blown away. The hifi switch is where the magic is and it brought a whole new dimension to the quad. The selectable impedance switch on the back of the KSR also lets me run it specifically for 16 ohms which the Duncan is lacking and it is just as loud as the 700 even though it’s only 50 watts. I haven’t turned it past half way and it absolutely leaves the Powerstage in the dust when it comes to tone. The KSR is the real deal.

@DeathMetalDevin 2 года назад

Great info and feedback on your experience! I'll have to test my SD PS200 on an 8ohm to see of there is a difference at all. Great suggestion! KSR def pulls the blanket off of the tone. Something all of the solid state power sections lack. The KSR is also much more articulate I've found in expressing the little nuances. Cheers man, thanks for your input!

@-SILON Год назад

This answers the question I had in a previous reply, haha. I'm just about to pick up the power stage 700 to try it out for a while as I can't really afford the ksr. I can definitely hear the difference in this video. Ksr sounds so much better. I'm wondering if I could EQ the power stage to warm it up a little bit? I'm sure it's going to be close enough.

@NSRider24 Год назад

Hey Devin. I am currently a QC and L6 Powercab user. I have 2 of the PC112+ for home use in a stereo rig. I was wondering what your thoughts are on my new idea... Two barefaced audio 1x12 cabs powered by either the Seymour Duncan or KSR units... if you have any suggestions or feedback then let me know. I'm not sure which way to go at the moment.

@DeathMetalDevin Год назад

Hey TrebuSenpai, sorry for the late response but I remember trying the powercab's out and was underwhelmed for sure. Is there a reason you are partial to the Barefaced cabs? They do seem pretty expensive for 1x12's. You can get a 2x12 and have it run stereo as well between the 2 speakers depending on the cabs speaker jacks. There are plenty out there that do it. If you're going to spend that much on 2 1x12's just get a mesa 2x12 used for around 600 US. For the power amp the seymour duncan comes REALLY close to the KSR but if you are a tube type person then you will notice the feel in the KSR for sure. Hope that helps

@NSRider24 Год назад

@@DeathMetalDevin I've heard the Barefaced cabs sound really impressive with their even audio dispersion in a room so I was tempted to try it out for fun. Not fully convinced that I would even end up choosing them yet. I definitely thing the KSR system would be exactly the tone I am looking for though. When using the KSR, do you run cab blocks for your presets or just the amp models and captures directly to the cab?

@MetalheadOv666 Год назад

If you’re wanting to run 2 cabs in stereo than get a Powerstage 700. Be much cheaper than getting two power amps and easier to run it in a stereo setup. That’s what I did with my stereo preamp pedal rig. A ceres and Revv g3 into ABY pedal then noisegate to PS700 to two Port City OS 112 cabs and was amazing! Their 112 cabs sound like a 212 cab. I’m sure I’m a lil late on this comment but just in case you haven’t did it yet I’d definitely recommend the PS700. I’ve heard KSR is coming out with a stereo power amp rack version but not certain when it’ll come out.

@ianlowery3000 2 года назад

Have you tried any other modelers? How does the quad cortex compare?

@DeathMetalDevin 2 года назад

I use to have an AxeFxII and I never jived with it because it just had way too many options and the interface on the modeler just made everything that much harder. My bandmate has a Helix but as far as testing it out I have not had a chance. I can say I love the Quad Cortex.

@obestertomas Год назад

was the power amp modeling enabled in qc when using sd power stage ? remember you need to compare apples to apples... if there is no power amp modeling (speaker impedance modeling included) then of course, the power stage will sound flat and boring, because guess what ? it is designed to be flat. with power amp modeling enabled, it should be scary close to ksr with power amp modeling off... though, I have no idea if QC has option to switch power amp modeling like axe fx III.

@DeathMetalDevin Год назад

In this video I switched between them at some point

@soulwreckedyouth877 5 месяцев назад

so do you leave power amp modeling on with the QC @deathmetaldevin ? is the ksr neutral enough?

@MetalheadOv666 Год назад

I don’t remember you saying but is your cab at 4ohms? Only way you’ll get the full 200w from the SD200

@DeathMetalDevin Год назад

To tell you the truth I don't remember if the cab was setup 4ohm or 16 ohm mono but I can tell you that the KSR was set to whatever the cab was so it was still a one to one comparison in terms of ohms. unfortunately I don't have the SD PS anymore to make sure of that

@simonharper9222 Год назад

Yeah. Cheers for this now I know how bad it sounds 👍🏼

@GunRunnersActual 3 месяца назад

I’d love a follow up video for this. Keep the PA50, but swap in the Orange Pedal Baby.

@ChuckHirstius 2 года назад

Why not setup the KSR as you like, and capture JUST that then add it last in chain before the SD powerstage? Neural includes a few "bare" power section captures on the QC, so seems like you could make your own with a proper load box, etc. Then you could possibly have the best of both worlds - portability of the SD, character of the KSR

@DeathMetalDevin 2 года назад

I was reminded by someone else recently about the power section captures in factory list 2 at the end. I'm absolutely going to capture the KSR with my Suhr loadbox. Along with the send of any efx loop I come across. I'll def do a video on that. Great thinking!

@Left_Hand_Path Год назад

I had a SD170 and just upgraded to the SD200. I was also running a 16ohm 4x12 and the 170 just couldn’t keep up with my band in a practice setting (also a deathmetal/metal band). After I learned the watt rating on the SD was for 4 ohms I realized I was only getting maybe 45 watts max on a 16ohm cab so I rewired my cab to 4 ohm, and im gonna test it out this weekend but it should be MUCH louder. If I can’t keep up with the full 200 solid state watts I am going to be pissed 😂

@DeathMetalDevin Год назад

Please let us know for sure! I haven't done that specific test yet and you are absolutely right. 4ohms "SHOULD" be louder. Come back with your findings!

@philippgrunert8776 6 месяцев назад

Did it work out for you? Thinking about the 200 for a 2x12 16 ohm cab

@Left_Hand_Path 6 месяцев назад

@@philippgrunert8776 it helped a little but still unfortunately wasn’t enough to keep up with a 100w tube head my bands other guitarist uses, so I ended up with a powerstage 700 and that definitely worked lol. Depending on what your volume needs are it may be enough

@philippgrunert8776 6 месяцев назад

@Left_Hand_Path thank you for your answer! I do not know if it counts but since I only have to drive two speakers compared to your setup does it's automatically double power? Also my active band time is long gone and it will be used 99.9 % in my home studio. For the remaining 0.1 % I wanted to opt for a direct to FOH setup. Do you think it will be OK for that?

@Left_Hand_Path 6 месяцев назад

@@philippgrunert8776 if you’re just running the ps200 into a 16ohm 2x12 it’ll be getting roughly 50w of power to it, since the “200w rating” is at 4ohm. if you rewired the 2x12 into a parallel configuration you’d have 8ohms total compared to a 4x12 16ohm cab in parallel which would give you 4ohm total. It lowers the total resistance the more speakers you have in parallel and in series it increases the total. EITHER WAY, if you’re just using it for at home studio stuff you should definitely be good regardless lol. It’s loud enough for anything at home for sure. I found it only struggled in a loud heavy band situation, keeping up with a 100w tube head and with a loud drummer that hits hard like mine does lol.

@kennethmeeker6369 Год назад

Scroll thru different rigs without trying to eq for one particular capture and see which one sounds the best overall .

@DeathMetalDevin Год назад

Sounds like a good idea but I don't have either of these power amps anymore. I've landed on using the fryette ps-100 for my main power amp after all the ones I've tried over the year

@michaelodenbrett9658 2 года назад

I use the Electro-Harmonix 44 Magnum with my Quad Cortex. Was always curious how it compares to the SD Powerstage. Let me know if you want to borrow it for an online or just offline shootout ;)

@DeathMetalDevin 2 года назад

Man I might take you up on borrowing it so I can do another comparison. Power amps are huge thing for me right now!

@catalyzed8457 Год назад

Did you find out? I have a Harley Benton Thunder 99 and like it for the stereo use, was thinking of investing in the powerstage 700 but not if there’s barely and difference in tone.

@ThatIrishCowboy 8 месяцев назад

You know they make solid state "tubes"? Crazy world we're living in man lol. Ofcourse I'm a tube guy myself but that Seymour Duncan sounded fuller and and caught my attention more. I'm listening through my odyssey arks weird speakers.

@DeathMetalDevin 8 месяцев назад

There is no doubt that the SD PS 200 isn't a solid power amp but I think it came down to the feel. There's def more sag on the KSR, Solid state just tends to be Dry feeling