NEVER Buy A Tamiya Lunchbox Again! Arrma's Modern Interpretation Is Better GORGON PERFECT STARTER RC 

You said it best, my friend!

Not sure that's entirely fair to Morris Minors. A school friend of mine had one as his first car in 1990. 1000cc and 135 section tyres. It was rather amusing watching it drifting around roundabouts in the wet, at 15mph. It looked like a lot more fun than the Lunchbox.

@@cogboy302 it was a first car for most people, just like the LunchBox was a First RC for some.

​@@Farney-gy1qo, not me. 1984 Tamiya Frog. Built it myself, aged 12. Still got it.

@@cogboy302 my first RC in the late 80's was the Thunder Dragon, I've still got bits of it. I've owned a Morris Traveler, although my first car was a 2cv.

Agreed😂😂😂

Exactly

Great comment, sums it up well :)

This could be the case yes. So far it’s been super popular but will it stand the test of time? 🤷🏼‍♂️

I’m some would agree with you and others wouldn’t but it’s an interesting comment / opinion 👍🏻👍🏻

I've come to accept it a tamiya is about the expierience building it then bringing it to life. Its a very different type of ownership. I have a midnight pumpkin and it's actually my main runner. I'm not brutal with it but not exactly easy either. It's a very fun truck though. I did a CRP upper lower arm conversion on the front but I screwed the geometry up so it steers terribly. Eventually I'll fix it but the truck is a blast and my dogs love to chase it.

@@mrlt1 Yes, I agree. I bought an XR311 re-re just because I appreciated the fact that it was Tamiya's first off-road RC car. Driving wise it is fragile and not very good but then I decided to actually make it reasonably good to drive by fitting exquisite metal parts. I look at it and marvel at the quality of the engineering. It is like a piece of artwork! Of course I appreciate that the Gorgon is a good machine but it has a flappy thin plastic body and in a few years it will be forgotten.

Yep. Lunchbox is a title more with paints and bearings but it’s in the same ballpark

Yep it looks that way lol. Not planned at all but it’s all come at once for some random reason. Next I move onto the Trickbits build so a more positive endeavour.

@@RCKickschannel Well, it is one way of getting good views on a Gorgon review! It’s a great truck, but the pre-release reviews just about saturated the search results on RU-vid.

I would say yes and also no.

For the money, I’m shocked how much you get with the Gorgon.

@@RCKickschannel yeah absolutely mate. Shame about the parts... 😆

Do you have a link? After giving the Gorgon a good six packs and some hard abuse, I want to dig into it and see how things held up. I might as well upgrade some parts as I will be running it as my personal little park basher

Yep that sums it up nicely. I used to recommend a Lunchbox for younger kids and that’s why my daughter had one when she was five, but things have moved on so far now for what you can get for the same money. I still think every vintage RC fan needs a LB in the collection.

Gorgon is apparently pretty damn tough. Hard to break.

LOL it’s Ok, you can like them both. I’m surprised at the Gorgan for the price point. If Arrma sorts its part prices out and parts availability outside the US, it would make it even stronger a beginner choice.

@RCKickschannel I actually only buy Arrma for my younger brother. He lives in Florida, where there is no issue with parts at all. He is also the ," can only run them, not really fix them." Kinda guy. It's a fantastic choice for the not so mechanically inclined.

Good point

That’s what I thought when I looked at it very stampede like , the gorgon is based on a previous Arrma model just beefed up A bit and a redesigned battery compartment , better shocks , diffs etc ( from memory)

The one in the video is the one you had back in the day.

I would have to agree with you on that one

Arrma is owned by Horizon Hobby, though, and they're not going anywhere anytime soon. You'll probably be able to find parts just fine for quite a while. Also, the Gorgon has been a huge hit, and a don't see it disappearing anytime soon, either.

LOL

Yep just down the road from me

Love my Frog and it drives way better than expected.

​@@RCKickschannel, I raced my Frog indoors, on wood floors, in 1990 - 91. It was already 8 years old when I started racing it. Everyone else was running Manta Ray hybrids, with lots of RW Racing upgrade parts, and then the Top Force, when it was released. Most of the other guys racing didn't even know what the Frog was. Eventually during a heat it got pushed into a wall, and the chassis snapped in two behind the front suspension. Retired it and decided to try race a Wild One against the 4WD cars. I didn't have money to buy a new car, plus my Dad wouldn't let me buy another RC car. I had two, which was one too many as far as he was concerned. Rebuilt the Frog in 2000, with obsolete NOS parts I had collected from Model Shops around the UK during the 1990s. I have a new, unpainted original body and two sets of original Frog decals knocking about. Left the Frog on display in my parent's office at their home in Ireland. Now also got a NIB Frog re-re. Will build it some day. My Mum died Friday week ago, and I was back in Ireland for her funeral. I brought my original Frog back over to England yesterday. Trip down memory lane. The original body has holes in it where a neighbour's Cocker Spaniel took a dislike to the car, bit it, and ran off with it in it's mouth. And it has Ghostbusters stickers on the body shell, - the first Ghostbusters film was released in 1984 too.

Yep low turn faste the faster

I wouldn’t take a DT03 to a skatepark if I was you, even if you have two. 100% same goes for the Squash Van. These would be really bad choices vs more modern Arrma and Traxxas offerings. Tamiya are best in the garden blasting around

@@RCKickschannel The DT-03T has stood up alright at the local skatepark, but the Lunchbox is much more fun over the ramps.

100% thant can be done :)

We have done a few already. You can find them in the RCKicks video back catalog along with another 800 plus RC videos now 👍🏻

You know, that’s what I was thinking and I tried it. Doesn’t fit that well but the Team Associated RC10T2 bodies does!

Yes you sure do and that racks up 👍🏻

I agree. Some are not keen on the Gorgon look, but personally I like the way it looks. I’ve even put in an order for another body colour set. I’m just so surprised you can get one for that kind of money.

The Gorgon looks like a ‘gorgon’, don’t look at it too long or you may turn to stone…

@@RCKickschannel I wonder if there is a van body that would fit the Gorgon wheelbase...drive the point home with an Arrma Lunchbox...or would that be an Arrma TV dinner? 😜

That is a very good point

Everything in the UK costs more than the US apart from our mobile phone contracts for some random reason. The issue has become worse as the UK pound is almost at its lowest vs the dollar since 1985! This drives up already high import prices.

I tried it and it's too short.

Yep and people think I use stunt doubles 🤷🏼‍♂️

Or even a Tamiya WT-01 chassis. 😀😀

​@@Alan-cg8gxWt-01 is discontinued

@@adrianharrison5208 yes but it's still a newer better designed chassis than a Lunchbox. 🚙

Compairing a Lunchbox vs Gorgon is like a Milk float vs Tesla.

Unfortunately, I have never had a Mad Van but I hear good things about them from owners. I was told you have to do a load of upgrades to make them reliable but once done it's a fantastic garden basher. I wouldn't say the Gorgon is throw away, its quality is fine and the simple box section chassis is simple and tough.

@@RCKickschannel I did all the upgrades just because I can at this point in my life. Were they needed? Definitely not. I've found the new Kyosho stuff to be pretty tough out of the box. My Mad Van and USA-1 have taken some massive crashes that would have broken my old Tamiyas easily. I admit calling the Gorgon "throw away" sounds extreme, but no Arrma RC is going to be sought after 10+ years down the road. They are good for what they are as a basic starter RC, but you either move on to Tamiya for the building and detail aspect of the hobby or one of the other brands for higher level bashing. I don't think it's a fair comparison, but I see the Lunchbox as an entry level Tamiya, but not an entry level RC if that makes sense. The antics it's designed to produce are not meant for entry level hands. BTW, thanks for your awesome channel. It's your fault I ordered the Optima Mid WC last week and it's always awesome to watch your builds.

You make an interesting point. The Lunchbox is more than the sum of its parts that’s for sure an an Icon. Will the Gorgon stand the test of time? 🤔

So many RTR cars come with less than ideal servos, not sure why manufacturers don’t just fit appropriate servos but really it’s down to saving money, especially on ultra entry level price point products like the Gorgon. The slipper sounds like a strange one. Have you tried dismantling it to see what the pads are like? It might be worth swapping the pads out if some contaminants have gotten on the pads. That’s not expensive and the place I would start if it’s done up really tight but still slipping. I would also check that it was put together correctly as mistakes do happen in manufacturing so someone could have missed something small but important out. Polycarbonate bodies will always crack and it’s well worth doing the rubber glue and edge tap trick when you get a new body.

@@RCKickschannel Bang for buck I'm very impressed overall with the design. It's quick and strong. And for a novice it's perfect. No real adjustments an easy to work on. I don't regret getting it at all. Only other issue to watch out for is the screws for motor mounting can pull through the plastic. People over tighten them cause the motor can move. But I've used a fibre washers and haven't had that issue. I'm thinking one or two things. It was pulling wheelies when I first got it out of the box and the power surprised me. On the third battery it started slipping. Figured it needed adjustment but also check for contamination. But seem clean and not worn out. So adjusted but it carried on slipping. I eventually ran out of adjustment. Maybe the spring or clutch is weak. The servo saver issue seems similar a weak spring maybe. Couldn't get full range but found the servo was lose. It worked better but the servo saver kicks in at around ½ range out of the box. Anyways ordered new parts hopefully it solves the issues.

Hope you got your free ticket 👍🏻

I just put mine in would be an awesome new video I just blew out my brand new 13.5 justock hobby wing motor was gonna do an LEDs installation video but blew my motor made a loud pop sound and stunk up my hole room lol now I’m also with out a running Team associated T3 and will have to wait till next month for my new motor huh should have let my IT TECH best friend have a go at it hopefully your all good man all that rain and all not wanting you to get sick love your channel I will have a new video up soon can wait for it.

🤷🏼‍♂️ No master plan. Sometimes buses just come along together in two and threes. Not planned that way, it just does. Right guess what’s next? Trickbits build time!

Welcome to the UK everything is more expensive

You make a good point

Because giving a beginner or a kid a 30 - 40mph brushless car isn't the greatest idea

@@professional_hater885 Maybe a 380 brushless would be a good compromise. Still cheap, reasonable speed and power, with brushless low maintenance

@@professional_hater885 who said anything about sticking a 40mph one in?

@@KT_One exactly

Modern Interpretation. Low budget, monster truck style 2WD van for having fun in the garden. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@@RCKickschannel yeah if its all about money i guess they are both cheep, but one is very durable, modern and can handle a brushless motor with 4 wheel independent double wishbone suspension and the lunchbox isn't

Yep I agree, building a car helps you really understand what’s going on with it and you can then fix it yourself when it breaks. Unfortunately a large chunk of people lack the time to invest in a kit. I do like the ready to assemble idea Arrma did with the kit version as it’s a halfway option that only takes an hour. You can get a clear body to paint yourself so I guess it’s the best of both worlds.

I really like it. What didn’t you like about it?

@@RCKickschannel I do not thick it is a option over the lunchbox or comparison for it. They are too completely different rigs and the gorgon body is terrible

100% the LB is an icon and really yes, the people who should be purchasing the Lunchbox are the older vintage lovers that remember it fondly. For younger children the Lunchbox has just become so vintage, you can get far superior offerings for the same or less money these days and the Gorgon shows just how far the LB has fallen behind. A few people have commented an interesting point, will we remember the Gorgon in five years while the LB has been going strong for decades? 🤔

@@RCKickschannel I don't no. Maybe for a generation when they turn 50, if it sells really well? its hard to tell what cars goes leconic in 5 years. I am a old kyosho/Tamiya guy your age. But I see the old HPI Savage 25 and Traxxas Tmaxx nitro trucks is icons to some folks that had their golden age during that time. The first Traxxas slash's is another one that I think will turn iconic. But who knows.. I have no knowlege about Arrma. They are cool cars, I just have not got around to them yet. So I have no experience with the brand.. I liked your video though...

100%! LOL Never seen anything like it!

LOL 👍🏻

Now that is a good point. Can something really be better than the sum of its parts? 100%

Yep the Maxx is a bit spicy for younger drivers. The Gorgon is spot on and not as heavy.

How?

I agree with Gav, how can't they be compared?

How? This is literally a modern version of a lunchbox 😂

@@RAVAGERrules it is not...not at all....not even close.

@@RCKickschannel its not in the same league as a lunch box....you want to compare it to a stampede...ok...but you embarrassed yourself with this comparison.....thats how

Nope not at all. Think you are reading too much into it. Sometimes buses come all at once and it’s the same for the last few videos. I don’t plan it that way, it just falls that way sometimes. Tamiya are still fantastic and I hope we see some new releases soon. I’m tempted to get the new XM-01 Pro as it looks great but I’m trying to not spend anything as I’m putting all funds into the UK Grand Tour project.

@@RCKickschannel OK I see your point about not racing with tamiya and this is reasonable, buti don't agree about the comparison of lunch box with arrma, anyway keep up the good work, I like your channel...

Not a fan? I really like it myself. The graphics are not too OTT, the colours are vibrant and I like the chassis parts that match. Some say it looks a bit generic.