NEW $40,000 Rolex Submariner vs $4,000 Tudor Black Bay 58 

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I'm a small business owner that works with other small businesses. Rolex has become something that sends the wrong message, and attracts violent attention to boot. Tudor, Omega, Breitling etc. all deliver enjoyment and a touch of class without being gaudy.

I'm 50 years old and I remember as a boy coveting the Sub 1680 with its top hat crystal. The whole design seemed so smooth, like a polished pebble, and the very shallow rehaut made the face stand out, but uniform with the lines of the case. The newer subs seem squarer, the face deep-set like the old fakes used to be, and too shiny. As soon as I could, I bought a 1680 single red of 1971 vintage. I love it. As a daily, I bought a BB58 in blue; there is so much in common with the 1680, and of course the old French Navy sub that I also loved. Great video!

As the owner of both watches, I can honestly say I’d choose the BB58 if forced to keep only one. There’s just something unpretentious yet supremely elegant about the Tudor. Whereas I always feel somewhat apologetic when wearing the Rolex.

I have a Submariner Hulk and this BB58 blue, and love them both. And for different reasons. The BB does remind you of a time long past. No one asks me if it’s real. No one says “nice watch”…only I know it a nice watch. And I’m great with that.

Tudor offers the craftsmenship along with accessibility. Sure I'd love a subby, wouldn't most watch enthusiasts.. But i still smile when looking at the Black bb58 on my wrist after 2 years of daily wearing.

I enjoy listening to these reviews. Nit only is it a feast for the eyes, but also a symphony for the ears. My compliments to whoever writes the script, it is a well done piece of fine art.

I’d go with the Tudor, but not this version. The original one with the black gilt dial and red bezel triangle. Love that watch!

Such a deep and wonderful message in such a simple and plain way. I enjoyed every video you made and even more the stories behind every one of them. Thank you.

As someone who can afford neither, I enjoyed the pretty images but I'm happy with my Citizen Tough.

I have lost count of the watches I’ve bought and sold through Watchfinder. Each time the experience is superb; personal, friendly and professional. That they provide that level of service, AND produce these videos, is just a remarkable achievement. Love this channel, and really enjoyed THAT Scottish Watches podcast too. 😁

Both are an evolution from the original submariner, diverging to focus on different consumers. The white gold sub as a obvious modern luxury watch and the BB58 the go to watch for the enthusiasts with a taste for vintage pieces. That being said both are beautiful watches and I would own both if I could.

Thanks for the great videos. Question: what Camera and lens do you use for the close up views. Thanks a lot in advance.

Excellent video, pure class. The only thing better the design of the BB58 is a classic Tudor Submariner, blue and with snow flags. Love the blue version.

Submariner then: kept you from dying Submariner today: keeps you from diving

You, as often do, hit the nail right on the head. I love my Speedmaster and prefer manual movments precisely because those 30 seconds i spend winding it feel like meditation and look for that feeling with many things a do and own.

Nothing beats playing a LP, a relaxing experience. Now the Sub at $40k v the Tudor at $4k, Tudor wins hands down.

I can only think of 2 reasons to buy a Rolex. 1) Because I want a Rolex. 2) Because I want people to see I have a Rolex. There are so many other watches just as good for less, there's literally no rational reason to buy one.

Still the best watch channel out there. Love this guys knowledge, presentation, footage and voice

What a great video! Poetry combined with fantastic macro-shots. Could have watched and listened forever. Thank you! PS: BB58 all the way!:)

nice vid. ive seen this comparison afew times before... but i always think the regular black bay would be a closer comparison (since it has a black dial and blue bezel)

It’s a bit late in the day for me but I’ve changed my lifetime hobby,ie watches,most of my adult life I have spent acquiring,flipping,swapping,coveting mainly Rolex watches,then constantly worrying about scratching them,losing them,having them stolen,getting mugged etc.I have sold my entire collection over the past couple of years (15) mainly because I really dislike what Rolex has become as a brand,the whole “investment “ bullshit thing and the never ending crap on social media about this brand.Bought a G Shock Mudmaster for £600 and that’s it,free at last,one of the best things I have ever done especially seeing what the luxury watch market has become today.

I have the Sub 114060 and the BB58 Blue. I would not part with either. I absolutely love both for many different reasons. The Tudor quality is far beyond the price charged.

Another masterfully put together work of art. Yes, your videos are works of art thanks to your perfectly worded narrations.

I own this BB58 and couldn't be happier with it. For me it means having top performance and quality without the bling factor. It's still a marvel of engineering an I believe it's a bit of a bargain at that. It's also a really handsome watch with its subdued navy blue, matte dial, clean looks. It's so comfortable to wear as well, I've literally forgotten my other watches and been wearing this for the last 6 months every single day.

Awesome video as always, happy to see you are again doing these magnificent comparisons that makes every watch collector think more about horology.

I'm really into watches for 2 years now. This BB58 is my accessible grail. It will be mine one day. It is so simple, so clean, thin, but with great specs. That is really what I enjoy watches. No date is a really plus for me too. Thank you for this poetic video!

I LOVE that grinding feeling when I screw back my crown and forcing it to make new threads!

You nailed it! Love both and they are different.

Still have my Rolex submariner from the early 1980’s and running great again after recent service 😉 love the vintage ones more !

I've never understood watch companies' pricing of gold watches. A gold watch has about 75g or 2.5 troy ounces of gold in it. At $1800/oz that is $4.5k of gold. And the watch costs $30k-ish more than the steel equivalent? So you pay 7x the market value of gold? Where is the appeal in that?

To take a moment to reset and recollect for that 1 minute is so valuable to me it's hard to describe. Simple things at their core are what I enjoy 😉

I just love your writing Andrew, knowledge, personality, wit, insight and so much more,

I’d go with the Tudor all the way. At least it’s available when you want to buy it, but I have to admit grudgingly that the Rolex has more visual impact, if you like that sort of thing...

You pretty much nailed it. In a way I'm pretty much in the middle of this equation with my Rolex 41 LN and my Tudor Pelagos. One flashy and in your face the other large warm and well just there to tell me the time.

Awesome content. Thanks

I think someone upstairs has gotten a bit desensitized as to how much $40,000 is to commoners.

I've had the Black Bay blue bezel 41mm for 18 months, the accuracy is +/- 2 seconds a week consistently. I just couldn't be bothered to wait 3-5 years for a Sub.

Excellent video, like this style rather than the new one. Anyway, please review IWC Ingenieur IW3239 next time 🙏🏻

To the speaker, you possess a voice that lasts a soothing effect on the listener, videography is very calming as well, with every video I watch of yours, I truly feel honoured to be subscribed to your channel.

The writing style is amazing, the comparasion of mechanical watches to paper books is absolutely superb. Of both watches the tudor is definitely the one i would wear the most.

Very well written video. Well done

Both of these watches do have a place in my collection. Would love to have them both. They're very similar and very different at the same time. You hit the nail on the head... The Rolex wears more like a jewelry

Could you make the same comparison between a Blancpain FF and a Squale?

I love being in the moment :) these videos do a good job of feeling present

I honestly preferred the look and size of the Tudor. The Rolex looks too bling and the text on the rehaut ring looks naff. Especially when it’s not straight like this one. Old Rolex’s look cool but the new ones are just currency for people who talk about money and values. It’s not a watch enthusiasts brand anymore unfortunately.

The Rolex is for investors and the Tudor is for watch enthusiasts

Chalk and cheese. And both utterly uninteresting. 40k for a Rolex? Please. Get me a GO+Zenith+JLC+Blancpain for the price of this piece of physical inflation.

My first Rolex was a Submariner. It is such a beautiful watch. I had the opportunity to see this one. That blue bezel looks gorgeous. I had a Tudor BBB 41mm. Very nice watch, but I would not trade a Submariner or a Seamaster 300M for one even if they were at the same price.

I bought a Rolex from AD in 2017. I bought a Tudor Jan 2022. Both watches are beautiful. Tudor wrist watch is well built too.

Loved the video (as always). Just one thing, as the owner of a Black Bay 41 with a Black face and Blue dial, wouldn't this have made a more suitable watch to use for this comparison? As for the Rolex used in this video, at the price quoted wearers would surely want a private body guard to safely wear the watch outside!

I am on a waiting list for the 58, black dial. I totally moved on from Rolex. Right now i am into Omega, Grand Seiko and i hope, Tudor soon.

What an absolutely WONDERFUL and true review…thank you

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Beautiful photography and enchanting narration as always.

The originale Tudor black bay with the ETA movement is the perfect dimmensions in my book. But with the release of the BB58 some of us may hope that the standard BB gets down to between 12 and 13 mm thickness.

I can't buy a watch without the date... Excellent video quality. Very good.

At this point Rolex has become the Emperors new clothes. £40k for a plain looking sub...... Beyong hysterical.

The Tudor BB58 is most perfect watch and for a great price. I bought mine when it first came out and haven't looked back. I would love a Sub but not at the crazy prices they selling for now.

Min 07:20 isn’t the super luminova green on the BB58? Why it looks blue in this video? I knew that only the Pelagos has it blue.

I have had both, my daily wear is the Tudor. The Tudor is still the best deal in luxury watches going and after several years wearing every day, never babying it, gym, beach, etc, it looks almost new. I have to admit, I do like the looks of the newest version of the Sub and the SS version without date window well under 10K, still a value for such a high quality watch that will hold good value.

Just saw the sub avaiable at the AD. Is there any point to ask for a discount for this model ?

Wait a minute... @4:36 the Rolex logo inside does not line up with 12 marker???!

Back in the 1990’s and early 2000’s, I was really into the watch thing. I had five Rolex models during that period including a stainless Sub and a two-tone in blue. My interests changed and I had an Explorer II with a white dial. I sold it to a friend for a song and then I unfortunately looked up what they were selling for these days. I did this after the fact…. This was a very painful experience. Recently, I got back into collecting watches and decided I would put myself on the waiting list at my local AD. While in the store I looked at a BB Heritage with a burgundy bezel. That evening, I couldn’t get the BB out of my mind. The next day, I went in and purchased it. I absolutely love this watch! It wears perfectly on my wrist and keeps near perfect time. Ironically, I sold that Explorer II to help pay for some tube amplifiers. I also listen to vinyl records almost every day. And yes, I am still on the waiting list for a Rolex…..

Just love the simplicity and the efficiency of the Tudor !!

I love the bb58 series. I have some old Rolex subs from before crown guards, and love them- but they are 60 plus years old. These are great, sized and priced right, with modern tech. I love them.

Guys, real question: I have a submariner that i own and love for 3-4 years now. i still feel like i need a tudor for the snowflakes. what do you think? is it worth getting one? will i be wearing it enough to justify? will i like it when compared to the rolex?

Interesting to see the BB58 lume is blue. Mine is green and sometime blue as well.

Always an wonderful text for narration

Could you review the Tudor Black Bay Steel & Gold, ref. 79733n?

That Rolex sure is nice, but I will still choose the Tudor. #OneMinuteGang

Am fortunate to own both the blue & OG BB58. Adore them both. 2 completely different looks. I’m also ‘on list’ for a Submariner (no date), NOT to replace the Tudors, but to sit alongside: Vintage & modern across various colour combinations covered - what more is needed for a perfect diver trio set!? In that sense, I guess I’m proof you can like them both!! :-)

Rolex is full white gold including bracelet, Tudor doesn't contain a single gram of precious metals. Mainly why the price is so vastly different.

The lightning might be weird because the Tudor dial looks insane when it is a normal nice blue and the Rolex bezel look a nice blue when it in a horrendous purpulish electric blue

Is agree with you, they are different watches. Great video as always Going to turn off my phone for a few hours - cheers

As an owner of the Tudor BB 58 Blue, I can say without a doubt it looks immensely more beautiful in person than it does in this video, stacked against the Rolex. I live in San Diego and tried every AD in the county and it wasn’t until my current visit to NYC, was I able to find this gem of a watch. It’s becoming ever more rare, especially on the bracelet. Would I love to source a Rolex at retail? You bet but I’m more than happy with the BB58. It is a must for any watch collector who has the coin to purchase an amazing everyday watch. Great review! Keep the spectacular content coming

Being able to buy pretty much any watch after working hard / investing early from 18 now 50 but there is something very satisfying about buying less expensive pieces and enjoying them just the same even more , just got a new Mini Tuna Seiko and it has to be one of the best watches on the market under 1000. ps love the channel !!

The Tudor intro was so beautifully written. Bravo.

If the BB58 Blue came with a date function, I'd buy one tomorrow.

So glad I got the no date sub ,looks so much better 😀

The Tudor BB was one of the first luxury watches I was drawn to. It feels simple, refined, and still full of character. The Rolex submariner has always felt soulless to me. Maybe it’s the way Rolex is viewed by society and the exorbitant price that turns me off of it….or maybe I just hate the Mercedes hands. Either way, Tudor BB seems like the perfect watch (for the price) to me

Can’t wait for a $40000 G-Shock

LOL at the hyperbole. You can definitely push it even further in the next one. I actually worry there isn't a point where you will start to lose people in the comments. There's a bit of The Fast Show about this, and I'll be tuning in.

BB 41 in red is the favourite in my collection, would love a sub but can't justify the exorbitant price . The sweet spot for me is the $5000 dollar range of watches .

Enjoyed your insights. I prefer the look of the Rolex.

I have a question.... your lume shot showed the BB as blue same as modern Rolex, how come my lume on my BB is green?? I would have preferred blue because it just makes sense... anyone? P.S Out of all the watch videos I watch on youtube yours is simply the best, I watch to relax, so soothing is that velvety voce of yours!!!

Does anyone has a ref. Number of the Tudor. I can’t find the watch on their website… Found a blue 58 on their site but that looks like a completely different color

The art of watchmaking countered with the art of words, great listening!!

Normally on the submariner cyclops, the antireflective coating has a colorless tint. And fakes are usually spotted by the color of the tint in the antireflective coating. However this model must use different antireflective coating than usual. Can you look into that?

I have a Sub (not the £40K variety and a BB etc etc) the Sub is almost unwearable on a daily basis given it's value and issues this can cause, the BB gets some wrist time and I agree it is a well made beautiful watch.....I recently bought a Seiko SRPD71K1 suits; the blue/cream one you featured in your recent videos and have had far more 'enjoyment' and 'value' not to mention wrist time from it.

Finally not a video, bashing the brand! As for the watches, I'm a lucky owner of the Submariner, and its masterpiece by performance and looks alike> The Tudor is my next on the list! Nicely done, keep it up!

I own the black gold accented BB58 it’s warm tones and red pip are perfect . I do have to admit though that this featured Rolex is plainly a work of art if I had 40k laying around to burn I would get it!

Tangible escapism. That is a beautiful sentence.

Both are stunning in blue!

The BB58 in blue is the only non Omega I own and I absolutely love it. £2760 on bracelet two years ago. Great size too. No interest in owning a Rolex although Rolex owners and enthusiasts will no doubt disagree. Great video of a great watch and a not-so-great status symbol.

always poetic..love it

As an owner of two post 2003 Rolex and one Tudor there is no huge difference except in the area of refinement of the aesthetic design that fails to justify the premiums of the Rolex which is now a fashion watch. Tudor is for those in the know who do not want to pay the premium or simply can’t afford the premium and / or the waiting time of Rolex.

why is the blue face of the tudor look so faded and teal rather than a darker blue? i have this tudor bb58 and the colors not even close. (purchased from ben jewler in seattle)

Beautifully told and encapsulates the essence of true watch ownership. I think we all secretly yearn for the simpler times of yesteryear and a watch can remind us if that on a daily basis. Great video 👍👍

“Devolution” ARE WE NOT WATCH? WE ARE TUDOR 😆😜