The flip chip is genius. The 16kg bike is insane. But otherwise, a 4-5k bike is what needs to happen. The prices are insane when folks are cross shopping convergence in electric motorcycles at lower prices.
Yeah mate, I could get a dirtbike for less than an e-bike with the same components as my bike minus the motor and battery. My bike is nice but not special. Saw an e-bike the other day that cost a used WRX, 2 decent mtbs and change for a couple of weekends away. How many plumbers are buying these things?? (My dentist said he wished he earned as much as his one. Really.)
And you could buy a watch that costs the same as my house. So what. There are cheaper options for poor people. And plumbers aren't poor in my experience.
@@jc2478 You can’t be bothered looking at the $1K -$2K bikes in their product range? Middle aged professionals who have suffered through graduate school or the angst of starting their own businesses have the disposable income to invest in their passions and hobbies. That’s why they make Porsche 911 Turbos and McIntosh Amps and B&W Speakers and Malibu Ski Boats and RZR side-by-sides.
@@petersouthernboy6327 i have a $5000 dollar high tower. I dont need a financial education for you. The manufacturers are ripping people off. I make shit for a living. I'm fact i just happen to work extensively with motors. 11k for 2000k (or more likely less) in parts is highway robbery and a joke.
Definitely one of the best looking and lighter e-mtb's. Would love to have one but the $10,000 +/- price is nuts. The bikes are evolving so fast my Levo SL is almost outdated.
IMHO, the Levo SL is awesome. It accomplished its mission perfectly. It is a small motor and battery. My Expert version weighs 42lbs with pedals. When I need the motor (or want it on:) it is there. Most of the time I cruise without the motor. I did not buy it to pretend I have a motorcycle. It is a bike first and an ebike second.
The bike is too expensive. Cannondale moterra SL is 2000$ (canadian) less with comparable specs/weight/battery. And the orbea have a slightly detuned motor (100w less than original ep801). Nice bike, but not great.
But you get an integrated multitool hidden in the rear suspension link! Kidding - I think the Moterra SL2 edges it, but that is a heavier alloy frame. The alloy Orbea version will be out soon which will be a fairer comparison.
Pls staaap manufacturers with that 2025 BS, automakers also started doing this yrs ago it's to create a sense of fomo on the newest and greatest, it's not Orbea's fault but all the marketing aholes who think this is sustainable with educated customers, especially now that so many people abandoned the sport, it was fun during the pandemic but it's dangerous and kinda hard to keep motivated when you live in the city and weather isn't favorable, so yeah the educated customers who are still there are not eating up that kind of BS. It shows in sales and comments or reviews
The RISE is a nice bike. I'm the owner of a custom ordered RISE and enjoy the bike. I would however recommend everyone stay away from Orbea as their customer service is unaccetable. The reason for me is straight forward, I custom ordered a RISE with all the Carbon options which resulted in a very expensive bike. When the bike finally arrived months later, they had substituted far less expensive parts in place of the carbon options i paid for. I thought, no big deal, they will make it right, if the carbon parts aren't available I can understand substituting them. They instead insisted that they can substitute any parts they want without any concern for the less value of the parts. Customer sevice (including the manager) stated and I quote "the sum of the bike parts have no impact on the value of the bike". Which is interesting since they sell many levels of the same bike with a wide cost range with the only difference being the sum of the parts installed. Given that philosophy as a company I can only recommend to avoid Orbea!
I would threaten them with a CC chargeback, that will likely change their tune in a hurry. You will have no issue with your CC company siding with you - you have the spec you paid for and you have what was delivered. Pretty clear cut.
Sounds like a lawsuit. I understand swapping out like for like on stock bikes, but doing it on a custom bike where paid extra for specific parts sounds like a scam.
@Lee-xs4dj i did consider that route. For now, I decided i would just share my experience so everyone can be better informed of what to expect from Orbea. It's such a bad business philosophy as it has cost them far more than if they would have just done what was right. The amount of people that come up to me at bike parks and ask how I like the bike is crazy. I share my experience, bike is awesome, company itself I cannot recommend them.
Da hat die Bikeindustrie sich mal wieder selbst übertroffen. Vor Jahren haben sie einen Motor verkauft (EP8). Dann haben sie den gleichen Motor gedrosselt und teurer verkauft (EP8 Rs). Jetzt verkaufen sie wieder den alten Motor, aber dafür teurer, weil sie sagen: „Wir verkaufen euch den alten Motor, aber haben ihn für euch gedrosselt. Weil ihr den alten Motor in gedrosselter Form ja gar nicht haben wollt, könnt ihr den aber entdrosseln, damit ihr wieder den alten Motor fahren könnt (EP RS+). Da ihr jetzt aber quasi wieder den alten EP8 fahren könnt, nehmen wir einen ordentlichen Preisaufschlag.“ Habe ich das so richtig zusammengefasst?
Hey, ich fahr selber ein Rise M10 und man könnte es so formulieren ja. In diesem Fall würde ich aber sagen ist der Motor einfach nur eine verdammt gute Grundlage mit der Orbea arbeitet und im laufe der Jahre ans Rad angepasst hat. Es spielt eben doch auch die Software Implementierung eine Rolle beim fahren, nicht nur die reinen Fakten. Viel mehr hat sich in letzter Zeit bei den Akkus getan und genau aus dem Grund hat Orbea sich vermutlich entschieden jetzt den Kunden die Möglichkeit selbst zu geben die volle Power des Motors zu nutzen. Nicht zuletzt da die Konkurrenz nach einiger Zeit jetzt eben auch nachgeholt hat. Mich selbst würde nur interessieren was die Firmen mit ihren eigenen Tunings auf den Motoren für Möglichkeiten der Fahreigenschaften in der Praxis haben. Ich bin mit der Leistung meines Bikes bis jetzt sehr zufrieden und vermisse keine Leistung sondern finde es sehr angenehm, dass es eben extrem Natürlich und sehr angenehm unterstützt und nicht nur 0 und 1 kennt wie so mancher Bosch. Grüße
Hi! The problem is batteries. 85Nm on under 400Wh does not work very well. Its to much to ask of the batteries. Rotwild had sold a 85Nm 375wh for years, but if you run that bike on full power on a low state of charge you will degrade the cells rapidly.(I sell Rotwild) But yes, your case is valid. It should be your own choice to run 85Nm.
Spec has a lot more to do with weight differences, as the frames are usually only about 1-2 lbs apart. All the gram differences from the wheels, suspension spec and all other component differences add up. Most manufacturer's weight "highlights" are usually referencing a size medium in their most top-of-the-line build without pedals and smallest battery.
Looks like cables thru the headset. That's a HARD NO for me. NO RIDER IS ASKING FOR PLASTIC HEADSETS. Straight seatpost yes. Leave the cables outside . It's not going in the tour de France.
With the claimed weight of just under 41lbs, did you actually weight the bike? Or is that the claimed manufacturer weight? Thanks for taking time to reply.
The Rise SL (+ older Rise), the Rise LT and the Wild are all perfect bikes for their respective applications. The LT looks like the best all-rounder option (and not a single compromise). Well done. I hope Orbea levels up their customer service to their design team's level.
Nice Video! Does the ep801 have only full torque or even full peak-watt-power in RS+ mode? Because the former rs ep8 had „only“ 60nm and ~350 watts peak power (at least in series 😉)
The profiles are selectable so you do not need to run it at max TQ, they also increased battery efficiency by I think it was 8% for the same weight cells. I did about 3k in full power 1,800 of which was with camera gear on my back and was left at 38% charge remaining 👍
This has the world’s highest power density battery in a production emtb. Combine it with the range extender to get 840wh. There’s no way you’re going to run out.
Cost/weight benefit. Why would you need a removeable battery unless you live in Alaska or ride 12hrs every day? If the answer is yes to either than simply buy another brand!
Buy the "old" orbea rise. Get the cascade link to make the rear 150 mm with the same shock . Air shaft for the fork. Go 160mm Then remap the soft where to the normal ep8 software. Then you got a beast of a bike .
This is my exact plan for my heavily discounted Goblin M20 eP801. 540Wh. OTeam 32 wheels with DT350 hubs, Magura MT7 brakes, Sram 200 rotors, Fox36 Factory 160mm, DPX2 55mm 0.8 cu, SLX 12, OneUp 180 post, 165 eThirteen cranks, DHF/DHR. My flip-chip is in the 160 fork. All I want is approved firmware with 85Nm. peak. 🎉
When the Rise was first released, it had features that other manufacturers' bikes lacked at the time and is why I bought one. Now that the industry has caught up, I see no compelling reason to buy a Rise at this point. And why would you buy an "LT" version when you can just get the Wild?
The industry just got left behind again. no other brand has a 630wh battery in a sub 50lb bike. no one else is even close. even the 420wh is competitively light. the Wild barely has more battery and the same torque so if anything theres no longer a compelling reason to get the Wild.
@@dylananderson4314 let’s hope they revised the rear suspension linkages so they don’t flex all over and creak non-stop. Or having the rear swingarm crack or have a rear hub fail after 100 miles. I’ll take a bike that holds together over a big battery any day.
@@kenbest76 All that has been addressed so largely irrelevant. OTOH any new model can have issues that only long term use and abuse reveals. I'd be more worried about the motor reliability.