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NEW electric car motor is 67% more powerful, 20% smaller & weighs 75kg
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@joebullwinkle5099
@joebullwinkle5099 3 месяца назад
This presentation highlights what I find so frustrating when discussing the differences between electric vehicles and ice vehicles, to people who look at the current generation of electric vehicles and say that well look at it, it can’t go as far as my current ice vehicle, it’s useless for towing etc, etc. What they fail to appreciate in my view is that we are still really on generation 1.65 of EV’s And that in the coming years, we’re going to likely see enormous improvements in EV architecture that will render ice vehicles as expensive junk!
@noway7555
@noway7555 3 месяца назад
I have just stopped telling others about EVs because they just scoff at me. I dont like to waste my breath. They will find out in time.
@hvh377
@hvh377 3 месяца назад
​​@@noway7555Well done. You've got it. If all the other EV afficionados would do the same, then finally, finally the rest of us can have some peace and quiet. We are all continuously annoyed by idiots ramming EV trivia down our throats that we all already know and have known for years. Yet, every little detail has to be blown out of all proportions by people like Viking. Come on! An efficiency improvement of 2%? That's hardly worth mentioning. And based on the theoretical amount of room left for improvement, IC engines actually have more scope for the future in that respect.
@timtravelnomad
@timtravelnomad 3 месяца назад
​@@hvh377much bigger improvements coming to EVs.. because the size and weight will decrease massuvely.. and we're only on 1st generation batteries. Batteries will at least 3x in power density over the next 5 to 8 years
@dangosypethau
@dangosypethau 3 месяца назад
some would call them 'future classics'
@jlcTTT
@jlcTTT 3 месяца назад
@@hvh377 Morning Mr Angry.
@johnnybgood7812
@johnnybgood7812 3 месяца назад
I like to think of it like this; ICE is analogue and EV’s are digital. In computing terms EV’s are already way past the floppy disc stage but there’s so much more to come. A decade from now ICE will be the transport equivalent of vinyl with enthusiasts waxing nostalgically on about them whilst streaming the Grateful Dead on Spotify.
@chefineer
@chefineer 3 месяца назад
Batteries are still analogue.
@royh6526
@royh6526 3 месяца назад
93% efficiency is pretty much industry standard. 97% is high. But efficiency figures can be deceiving, as they are usually taken at rated power and rpm. At higher or lower speeds or lower power the efficiency usually drops off dramatically. Tesla has achieved high efficiency in all conditions with their switched reluctance design. Other manufacturers consider this design to be too expensive.
@Tesla.tricks
@Tesla.tricks 3 месяца назад
Couldn’t be said any better !!! Somebody need to tell Viking to do bit of research on other makers .. he does seem to like Tesla which is why this video is absolute and not making sense .
@jensstubbestergaard6794
@jensstubbestergaard6794 3 месяца назад
Yes and another thing is that they state peak power 250kW but right after the motor run hot and efficiency plummeth. Tesla do not have Switched Reluctance motors and in fact no EV to my knowledge have it but it would in fact be ideal. AEM market them and have a deal with Bentley, so in a not too distant future there will hopefully be SRM's on the market.
@royh6526
@royh6526 3 месяца назад
@@jensstubbestergaard6794 Tesla has both. They use switched reluctance in front and inductance in rear.
@jensstubbestergaard6794
@jensstubbestergaard6794 3 месяца назад
@@royh6526 Hi Roy. SRM producers are AEM, Turntide etc. Tesla do Induction and permanent magnet motors and have to my knowledge never dabbled with SRM. Perhaps in the future Tesla will take an interest in SRM, that only have iron in the rotor.
@gnagyusa
@gnagyusa 3 месяца назад
These light-weight and powerful electric motors will be perfect for electric aircraft.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
Electric cars and airplane tech will continue to cross polinate.
@Wirmish
@Wirmish 3 месяца назад
For aircraft you can reduce the weight by making them air cooled.
@MrPropanePete
@MrPropanePete 3 месяца назад
An electric aeroplane is a propeller driven aeroplane. Definitely an opening there for recreational aircraft or specific purpose aircraft but far too slow for public transport over lengthy distances, even with advanced propeller designs.
@peeemm2032
@peeemm2032 3 месяца назад
Yeah, shame about the heavy batteries tho.....
@Cecil-yc6mc
@Cecil-yc6mc 3 месяца назад
@@peeemm2032 but battery storage is at the early stages of the technology curve. in the end there will only be one. it won't be ICE
@19Marc79
@19Marc79 3 месяца назад
I love electric motors 💚 It started with small electric motors in RC models. Then moved on to an electric motor in a mountainbike. Then to a DIY longboard. Then to an E-Scooter. I am not sure if I really need an electric car because I do not like travelling and love being in the woods where no cars are allowed. But with every electric car that replaces an ICE car on the road, the air that I breathe in my city is certainly better than before :)
@sunnybnk
@sunnybnk 3 месяца назад
Because you moved the pollution to the countries that mine the raw materials for the batteries and the power stations that burn coal or diesel to provide the electricity to charge your GREEN car. Can you see further than the end of your nose??
@jaaklucas1329
@jaaklucas1329 3 месяца назад
Im about the same with 10 years of Ebikes. People in cities want clean air to breath,simple as that.
@chefineer
@chefineer 3 месяца назад
Are you saying that the first electric motor application was in an RC model ?
@19Marc79
@19Marc79 3 месяца назад
@@chefineer No. I was talking about my biography. Not history ;_)
@chefineer
@chefineer 3 месяца назад
@@jaaklucas1329 the air in cities has never been cleaner, and it is still improving, without EVs
@jcfallows
@jcfallows 3 месяца назад
Hi Sam, I hope your foot is healing well. These advances in EVs are still surprising me, thanks for helping me keep up!
@chrisconklin2981
@chrisconklin2981 3 месяца назад
Smaller, lighter, less expensive, more powerful, faster charging, longer range, fewer repairs, longer lasting. quiet, less polluting, more torque, self-driving, lower center of gravity, more efficient. and we are not done yet. Sounds good to me.
@petercroft9895
@petercroft9895 3 месяца назад
This motor is lighter, not the entire vehicle. Battery technology has a long way to go to get the entire vehicle lighter while matching current ice range. The evs with more range than pretty much any ice right now, >600km give or take, are ludicrously expensive, big heavy monstrosities - well over two tonnes. And they dont fill up in two minutes. I agree with everything else though.
@fullrulle77
@fullrulle77 3 месяца назад
​@petercroft9895 agree but we starting to see prototypes that can charge fast also. The Polestar 5 prototype did 10% to 80% or so in 10 minutes (I think) and other batteries are similar.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
@@petercroft9895 I see ocasional comparison of the model 3 with similar ICE cars and it is not heavier. But then Tesla is ahead of the curve. While it may happen the need to match ICE ranges is just an illusionary fence that EV hater have erected EV cars to jump over.
@petercroft9895
@petercroft9895 3 месяца назад
@danharold3087 Sure, an M3 LR is a similar weight to a comparable ice saloon. However, it does not come close in regards to range - which is at odds with statements made in the post that I was replying to. Note that that does not make me an ev or Tesla hater, it is just a simple statement of fact. If I were to want an ev with 600+ km range, and some people do, then I'd looking at a bazillion dollars worth of large, heavy Mercedes or similar. Personally, if there was something small and simple on the market for under NZ$25k with 200km range, I'd have one in a heartbeat for around town. I don't need or want sub 5 second 0-60 times, or a gaggle of intrusive electronic nannies for that.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
@@petercroft9895 Lost my interest when you said you wanted an EV with the same range as a ICE car. This has been beat to death with a stick and I don't want to burn time on it. Either you get it or you don't and there is no changing your mind.
@Stayrich-lv1eo
@Stayrich-lv1eo 3 месяца назад
Motor more efficient + battery more efficient produces exponential increases in efficiency like a 2% battery efficiency increase plus a 3% motor efficiency increase can result in more than a 5% increase in range
@jimmonsees9119
@jimmonsees9119 3 месяца назад
And a suitable airplane motor. The high performance batteries and compact, powerful engines can mean useful range for airplanes.
@rogermartinez78
@rogermartinez78 3 месяца назад
Coming in the future, maybe at the end of the century, I won’t be here to see it, and depends on how old you are, you won’t be here either.
@StewartMidwinter
@StewartMidwinter 3 месяца назад
There are already electric aircraft in the pipeline or in development that will have sufficient range for short flights. For example, Vancouver, British Columbia to Victoria on Vancouver Island. It's only about 30 km Harbour Air already has a test airplane in operation.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
@@rogermartinez78 Prototype electric planes are flying now. Alice is a 9 seater commuter prototype.
@chriswilliams8607
@chriswilliams8607 3 месяца назад
@@rogermartinez78 certified electric aircraft Velis Electro from Pipistrel already flying for years, perfect aircraft for flight training and short sightseeing flight.
@robertbidochon7949
@robertbidochon7949 3 месяца назад
@@danharold3087 great! :)
@markuc
@markuc 3 месяца назад
Amazing. The pace of innovation is shocking and puts ICE to shame
@gregp.7148
@gregp.7148 3 месяца назад
And big oil on greener pasture.
@davidfujkk8018
@davidfujkk8018 3 месяца назад
Xiaomi has an in house developed e drive unit called v8s with 27,000 rpm redline,which produces 578 ps,it has a 13 hp per kg power density,more than double of what plaid drive unit has to offer,also with 98.1 percent efficiency,which will be used in su7 ultra rear drive unit.
@darpompie4354
@darpompie4354 3 месяца назад
Yeah.... It's so great that it's kind of a hinderance. I want to buy more EV's for our fleet but knowing the leaps in tech around the corner prevents me from doing so. The current Gen seems so outdated and the prices they are asking do not reflect that. When all these tech advances are implemented let's say a few years down the road, who in the world will want to buy your ancient 3 year old vehicle. So it's a big hit on the pocket book to pay high and sell really low.
@Harrythehun
@Harrythehun 3 месяца назад
Amazing but also telling how costly and expensive it is to be early adopter, both for the consumers and manufacturers. The EV technology has much innovation left but ICE cars have low levels of innovation left, a safe spot for the manufacturers and consumers, no one can take big leaps or be left behind.
@gregp.7148
@gregp.7148 3 месяца назад
@@darpompie4354, you clearly want to sell in a couple of years, then yes, but if you keep it for 10 years then who cares. Just like most ICE vehicles, after 10 years it won’t be worth much anyway.
@bbck2537
@bbck2537 3 месяца назад
My money is going on all four wheels having their own motor, so that torque can be applied individually to each tyre. This will then improve handling and reduce wear while increasing efficiency - overall tyre to ground efficiency. It just needs the right software integration and optimisation. And, of course, cheap (Not Small) enough motors.
@rogerfroud300
@rogerfroud300 3 месяца назад
The motor would also have to be small as well as cheap and light.
@bbck2537
@bbck2537 3 месяца назад
@@rogerfroud300 yes, of course, but small already exists. High powered, and small wheel motors have been around for ages, but the principal is still too expensive to employ. Not for long it seems!
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
The problem here is wheel motors are unsprung mass. For some vehicles that does not matter much. It is not one size fits all.
@bbck2537
@bbck2537 3 месяца назад
@@danharold3087 agreed, there are issues to be worked out! It will be interesting but I still believe it’s the inevitable end point although vehicles will still vary such that they continue to be fit for purpose of course.
@avgjoe5969
@avgjoe5969 3 месяца назад
On luxury/performance cars, sure. The minimal extra cost on a $70k car would be trivial. The addition on economy cars, not so much. Two will get it done and still manage AWD and redundancy. Its hard to imagine motors costing less than $250 any time soon and adding $500 to the price of an economy car would be prohibitive in a competitive market ( BYD vs Tesla). The economy car buyer would be less enthusiastic about the high speed performance of the car. (More "Just get me there" buyers.) On the higher end, absolutely.
@ericpeters9476
@ericpeters9476 3 месяца назад
Magna has been manufacturing automotive parts as a tier 1 OEM supplier for years. They started in Aurora Ontario Canada, 65 years ago. The auto manufacturing in Austria are more recent purchases from Chrysler and MB.
@EdgewiseSJ
@EdgewiseSJ 3 месяца назад
EVs are still a developing industry. It's hard to say how good they will be in 10 years. ICE vehicles are only making tiny incremental improvements.
@keithhooper6123
@keithhooper6123 3 месяца назад
If the same amount of investment was been out into ICEs,who knows what that would lead to.
@GreenDriveIndia
@GreenDriveIndia 3 месяца назад
and even without any major advancement ev is 90% efficient.
@vinterskugge907
@vinterskugge907 3 месяца назад
​@@keithhooper6123Not really. The same amount of investment - and more - *has* been made for combustion engines, over the last 100+ years. There's just not that much more that can be done with them.
@EdgewiseSJ
@EdgewiseSJ 3 месяца назад
@@keithhooper6123 ICE is already a mature technology. They have tried just about everything there is to try already. That's why they only make small incremental changes now. EVs are just getting started. Batteries will improve dramatically. Motors will improve dramatically. Charging will improve dramatically. In Tesla, FSD will improve dramatically.
@jamesphillips2961
@jamesphillips2961 3 месяца назад
@@keithhooper6123 Ah, a dead end? After 120+ years.
@jamesvandamme7786
@jamesvandamme7786 3 месяца назад
SiC means silicon carbide semiconductors used to switch power in the inverter. They are faster than silicon, handle more power than Gallium Nitride (a competing technology, possible for smaller motors), can run hotter, but are more expensive.
@ferfromla
@ferfromla 3 месяца назад
If these motors can help bring down the price of EVs and make them lighter then they will hasten the demise of the ICE vehicle. Range and price matter and with the current state of things in the US, electric cars still cannot compete in price and range with gasoline cars. I think there are many car buyers who would consider an EV purchase if it made sense in terms of their monthly payment. Motors are a key component to bring down EV prices so they are truly affordable. But it remains to be seen if these improvements actually result and better prices. I'll believe it when I see it.
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 3 месяца назад
They really should have made the motor smaller and lighter and reduced the max power. We don't need cars that do 0-60MPH in one second. We need ones that mere mortals can afford that have a 300 mile range.
@capnkirk5528
@capnkirk5528 3 месяца назад
THIS!
@beeswaxlover
@beeswaxlover 3 месяца назад
They will, this tech will be in everything.
@fozz878
@fozz878 3 месяца назад
This will reduce the need for dual/three motors which have become common in electric cars.
@markhathaway9456
@markhathaway9456 3 месяца назад
@@beeswaxlover It's even possible that the new AI will help these technologists to produce better stuff.
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 3 месяца назад
@@fozz878 Two motors can save you the need for a differential. This plus a little software is more efficient.
@huskypup3489
@huskypup3489 3 месяца назад
An IC engine's heat is not wasted if it's cold outside--it's used to heat the cabin.
@chriswilliams8607
@chriswilliams8607 3 месяца назад
You are wasting 4 out of 5 liters of fuel you put into your car, it's a VERY expensive cabin heating, and environmentally completely absurd. While an ICE car has an overall efficiency of around 20% an EV has 70% and more.
@chefineer
@chefineer 3 месяца назад
@@chriswilliams8607 ICE is approaching 30%, Toyota claim to be working towards 50%
@chriswilliams8607
@chriswilliams8607 3 месяца назад
@@chefineer ICE stands no chance against electric motors. The efficiency of a combustion engine is theoretically limited at around 50%, in reality around 30% (electric motor 90% and above) and the combustion engine achieves that in a very narrow band of operation, while the powercurve of an electric engine is pretty flat. In cars, this leads to the reality that overall efficiency of ICE cars is around 20%, while EVs are 70% and above (Tesla Model 3 above 80%) Look at the performance curve of a modern electric motor and compare that to a combustion engine, then you know why ICE cars are a terrible idea we need to get rid of ASAP. In high traffic situations or inner city driving the story get's even worse, there we are not talking about EV real life efficiency 3 times higher, but somewhere between 4 and 5 times higher. Toyota has completely failed in EVs, so they are desperately trying to push for ICE, which is insane.
@chefineer
@chefineer 3 месяца назад
@@chriswilliams8607 You need to consider the holistic system. IE, the weight of the motor + batteries All your saying by quoting efficiency, is, which type of vehicle travels furthest per kWh of energy consumed But they don't start off with the same fuel sources Both ICE and EV need to carry their energy source with them, as weight How much does a 'kWh of electricity' weigh ? Current EV batteries range from 200Wh to 400Wh per kg. In other words to get 1kWh of electricity you need to carry upto 5kgs of weight (assuming 100% efficiency in conversion from battery to wheels) A kWh of petrol weighs under 100g (0.1kg) Multiply that by 4 to account for 25% efficiency and it's only 0.4kg. How efficient is an electric car in terms of miles/kg of energy when compared to ICE ? It's actually pretty poor isn't it. Even granting an EV 100% efficiency it still weighs considerably more than liquid fossil fuel, because, you have to carry the full weight of the batteries, even when they have no power left
@chefineer
@chefineer 3 месяца назад
@@chriswilliams8607 Motor efficiency has always been high. They're a simple machine. Only better magnets can make much of a difference "ICE stands no chance against electric motors. " We had ICE and EV 100 years ago....which prevailed and became the most practical ?
@larzlarz1140
@larzlarz1140 3 месяца назад
After seeing the vehicle results with the Jaguar iPace and the Fisker Ocean, I wouldn’t want to own anything that Magna makes. Give me a boring Tesla motor with 90% efficiency and 9,000 rpm max and I’m happy. At least I know it will work flawlessly for 200,000 miles.
@JorgeLausell
@JorgeLausell 3 месяца назад
Nice to hear you back at reporting the news in the field. Thanks.
@Gobhumi
@Gobhumi 3 месяца назад
Eliminate the drive shaft for maximum efficiency, so dual motors direct drive at the wheels, definitely not in the wheels. A redesign of the shock absorber system would be necessary Electric Viking.
@terryward1422
@terryward1422 3 месяца назад
I am excited to see the specs on next years EVs equipped with these new motors
@chefineer
@chefineer 3 месяца назад
This motor's lighter weight has to be a godsend to heavier EVs
@carlsapartments8931
@carlsapartments8931 3 месяца назад
Tony Seba can see where we are going to end up with this.... Sam, you should do a live interview with Seba, that would be great!
@jimanderson4444
@jimanderson4444 3 месяца назад
Good plan Carl, then follow up with comments from Elon .
@singed8853
@singed8853 3 месяца назад
​​⁠Tony Seba predicted that every new vehicle in 2025 would be electric. That includes buses and trucks. It’s literally the worst prediction I’ve ever heard about the auto industry. He is a clown who should put down the crystal ball.
@macmcleod1188
@macmcleod1188 3 месяца назад
​@@singed8853I'm not sure this is true. I went back and looked at Tony siva's videos from 2019 and 2020 and I saw no such predictions. You may have gotten hold of some misinformation.
@singed8853
@singed8853 3 месяца назад
@@macmcleod1188I didn’t hear him say it myself - so it could be misinformation - but there’s a quote attributed to him supposedly from a conference in 2017. I’ll see if I can find it.
@theodociocozanitis5437
@theodociocozanitis5437 3 месяца назад
That’s great news . This will help the hybrid reduce petrol consumption on cars
@kelviskelvis7140
@kelviskelvis7140 3 месяца назад
That is great news for battery electric vehicles. Hybrids should be avoided at all costs.
@Anklespank
@Anklespank 3 месяца назад
Yes, and maybe they can also find a way to incorporate DVD players with movie streaming devices 🤣
@leotek..
@leotek.. 3 месяца назад
indeed, these constant innovations will help hybrids to become extinct even sooner. good riddance.
@frankdelao4067
@frankdelao4067 3 месяца назад
Electric motors in a hybrid don’t have nearly this much power. This particular motor is meant for a BEV. Now a much smaller version could be used in a hybrid.
@CheeseLovingGuy
@CheeseLovingGuy 3 месяца назад
Hybrids are selling but electric viking has convinced me that they are simply the worst of both worlds for most consumers.
@philiptaylor7902
@philiptaylor7902 3 месяца назад
Thanks Sam, some impressive technology there.
@frankszanto
@frankszanto 3 месяца назад
At 7:24 you say 25 kg. But at the beginning, it is 75 kg, which agrees with 3.3 kW/kg and 250 kW. The torque you quote of 5000 Nm must be at the wheel. There must be a gearbox to reduce the speed, with a ratio of at least 10:1. This would mean 500Nm at the motor, which sounds more likely. At 5000rpm, this would give 262kW.
@fromgermany271
@fromgermany271 3 месяца назад
Don’t confuse him with math and physics 😂 He even said about the torque, it‘s at the shaft. Unfortunately he also knows so much about cars, the „the shaft“ is not leading him to the driveshaft going to the wheel, in other words: „at the wheel“. Calculating the motor‘s power from torque and rpm is way out of his realm, so 1:10 would either go up or down, depending on how impressive numbers he needs.
@frankcoffey
@frankcoffey 3 месяца назад
All the innovation is going on at parts suppliers.
@richarddevenezia8186
@richarddevenezia8186 3 месяца назад
Why am I hearing "The Jetsons" theme song in my head.
@koenraad4618
@koenraad4618 3 месяца назад
The EV motor industry catches up with Lucid (is based on a very compact EV motor). It is indeed great for smaller cars with hopefully low price.
@johnfrancis4401
@johnfrancis4401 3 месяца назад
The ICE car has reached its apogee. Improvements in efficiency are measured in 0.1% increments. EVs are improving by leaps and bounds due to this type of motor and CATL improvements in battery energy density. Range anxiety will gradually disappear. It's inevitable. Petrol heads can grind their teeth but it IS inevitable.
@aussieideasman8498
@aussieideasman8498 3 месяца назад
I will explain why leaps and bounds are not enough to offset the 0.1% gains in ICE efficiency in the next decade, and why Viking deceives you with such nonsense.
@johnfrancis4401
@johnfrancis4401 3 месяца назад
@@aussieideasman8498 Go ahead I'm waiting.
@aussieideasman8498
@aussieideasman8498 3 месяца назад
@@johnfrancis4401 I did it 3 hours before you started waiting. Has the Viking removed it?
@aussieideasman8498
@aussieideasman8498 3 месяца назад
I just checked and it's right after '@OlivierSuire 4 hours ago A second motor is not only about power, it's also about traction.' So what's the matter with you?
@user-kv6lw4cp4u
@user-kv6lw4cp4u 3 месяца назад
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@Muppetkeeper
@Muppetkeeper 3 месяца назад
Piece by piece, day by day, we are getting better and better electric vehicles. Batteries, inverters, control electronics, motors and tyres are all improving. The only issue now is how long to wait before I get an electric van. 🙂
@ahaveland
@ahaveland 3 месяца назад
Purpose of a frunk is to give room for a crumple zone. If you're in a head-on collision, the last place you want to be close to the impact with no shock absorption. Compare the difference between the old and new minis, and the old and new VW transporter/ID Buzz. The old cars had lots more space, but were death traps in a collision.
@GolLeeMe
@GolLeeMe 3 месяца назад
Great news. Electric motors have always been more efficient than ICE, but thats a different story. I wonder how this might work if there was no rare earth minerals being used? Now all we need is for battery technology to reach the same level of development and I am in.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
Induction motors and Separately Excited Synchronous Motors (SESM) do not use permanent magnets. ZF the people who make they cyberTruck electric steering are working on modern Separately Excited Synchronous Motors (SESM).
@GolLeeMe
@GolLeeMe 3 месяца назад
@@danharold3087 Whatever happened to hairpin motors?
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
@@GolLeeMe Alive and well. I think the CT uses them.
@reedkelly6145
@reedkelly6145 3 месяца назад
MOTORCYCLES. How long to get these new new motors into motorcycles? This is not the only motor, smaller and more power. I WISH there was a company like Tesla that made electric motorcycles. No company that makes motorcycles comes close to what Tesla has done for electric vehicles. Batteries are better, motors are better, inverters are better..... but electric motorcycles still suck. Need lower prices and longer range.
@leonardoreina1655
@leonardoreina1655 3 месяца назад
There's a couple good and decent performing bikes out there but you definitely pay much more for the performance you get in comparison to ICE
@cedriclynch
@cedriclynch 3 месяца назад
The problem with electric motorcycles is the terrible aerodynamics if you go for anything like conventional appearance, which is in practice governed by what the FIM will allow in motorcycle racing. You can get 500 miles/800km range at normal traffic speed from a battery weighing less than 70kg if you are willing to ride something that looks nothing like a normal motorcycle. I can prove this claim in real life. Part of the reason why Tesla gets such good results with electric cars is that it has done some good work on aerodynamics. However if you get the best possible aerodynamics you cannot keep changing the appearance every year. Notice that the Tesla Model S is still the same shape as it was when it was introduced 12 years ago, which is something almost unheard of for an American car.
@CarkeekW
@CarkeekW 3 месяца назад
Google LS 218 , if it were cheaper it would have rocked the world already
@leonardoreina1655
@leonardoreina1655 3 месяца назад
This is probably the best all around for about 8 grand that does 80mph and about 100 miles The have a couple versions for a few years now ru-vid.comaxjtmPgacV8?si=nu4fQ09-6H00axF9
@nickmcconnell1291
@nickmcconnell1291 3 месяца назад
Interesting.... looks like they may have copied Tesla and wrapped their rotors so they can spin at such high rpms.
@fromgermany271
@fromgermany271 3 месяца назад
Which Tesla? You mean the tall, skinny guy, who invented ac induction motors more than 100y ago!!
@digitalplayland
@digitalplayland 3 месяца назад
Give the motor another few decades. All possibilities are open.
@GeeDeeBird
@GeeDeeBird 3 месяца назад
Many people don't understand that EVs are technologically analogous to pre WWII ICEVs. The worst gas engine car made today would blow away the most cutting edge state of the art vehicle built in 1939. Everything changed with the research and development during the war. Automotive technology continued to advance as more and more money went to research. Now that research is turning to EV technology. Stand by folks. Good things are coming.
@greghelton4668
@greghelton4668 3 месяца назад
The most advancement in converting electrical energy to range will come from the batteries. They need to become lighter and more energy dense. Next would the to decease the drag coefficient. But of course reducing weight is a huge factor as a BEV (and ICEVs) mostly moves itself as opposed to its occupants. Aptera is making a lot of progress on that front.
@JoeyBlogs007
@JoeyBlogs007 3 месяца назад
Sounds like a good motor for aviation applications.
@simonpannett8810
@simonpannett8810 3 месяца назад
Loving the tech improvements in EV's and waiting for small but 250 mile range and safe cars around £20k!!!
@AuralioCabal-nl8gi
@AuralioCabal-nl8gi 3 месяца назад
Magna is the contract builder of the Fisker Ocean , I don't think Fisker is long for the road.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
I am not convinced it is Magna's fault. They produce good cars for others that most people don't realize are contract build cars.
@ChicagoBob123
@ChicagoBob123 3 месяца назад
EVs are just getting started. Mass production of these cool parts is hard and keeps improvements slow
@universeisundernoobligatio3283
@universeisundernoobligatio3283 3 месяца назад
Wow a electric motor that is 165% efficient, have one drive another as a generator, perpetual motion and you are able to draw off power.
@sanjuansteve
@sanjuansteve 2 месяца назад
These efficiency gains will be even more valuable for electric airplanes and flying vehicles of all types.
@molekulaTV
@molekulaTV 3 месяца назад
Best channel
@Scotty_AU
@Scotty_AU 3 месяца назад
Another day another miracle
@fredsmit3481
@fredsmit3481 3 месяца назад
Thanks for showing this motor. How does it compare to the tesla motor?
@ElectricEclectic
@ElectricEclectic 3 месяца назад
For all the manufacturers out there, I want vehicles that deliver Model S Plaid performance at the $90k price point. This is the bar. 1200 hp is the real fun zone.
@j.c.4192
@j.c.4192 3 месяца назад
What is it Benchmark against?
@sullivanrachael
@sullivanrachael 3 месяца назад
All this talk about improvements in efficiency - electric motors have always been one of the most efficient devices. Once you have electricity - any motor is around 80-90% efficient at converting it to kinetic energy. So claiming massive improvements is not quite true. The Magna developments are impressive but still only able to squeeze a percent or so extra absolute efficiency out of the entire EV system. The batteries in EVs are still the biggest problem, with low energy density compared to a tank of fuel. That’s it.
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 3 месяца назад
All electric motors are at least 95% efficient if they are any good.
@barrythomas6429
@barrythomas6429 3 месяца назад
"These Electric Motors will kill" never a truer word spoken.
@johnrowbotham2810
@johnrowbotham2810 3 месяца назад
Ice vehicles have had over a 100 years to develop there cars and these days some ICE manufactures don't even build there cars to last more than 150k!, putting aside the the continuation of burning oil at an alarming rate. The EV industustry is just getting into it's stride and will evolve rapidly. At present EV's are just so much better and minor developments will continue to improve at pace, despite what the Luddites are saying!
@NickDrinksWater
@NickDrinksWater 3 месяца назад
Now lets keep improving those batteries
@anguscampbell1533
@anguscampbell1533 3 месяца назад
In the 1970's when the Arab oil embargo was implemented, the ICE manufacturers did little in terms of redesigning the ICE to vastly improve efficiencies and thus reduce fuel consumption and pollution. The ICE is still stuck at an abouts 30% efficiency rate with most of the fuel burnt and expelled as heat, exhaust and friction. They are now faced with a disruptive technology which will soon replace them despite losing almost 50 years of an innovation head start. Most of the improvements to the up and down motion of the piston/crankshaft engine were minor and yielded little results but the Electric motor and Battery technology are both steadily improving and within ten years eliminate the ICE. Such is disruptive innovation.
@BurRun-kt3tf
@BurRun-kt3tf Месяц назад
Thanks អរគុណ❤
@trevorevans7101
@trevorevans7101 3 месяца назад
That's impressive. Just keeps getting better and better.
@christophreuter9572
@christophreuter9572 3 месяца назад
Drive unit gets smaller, while car gets bigger. Makes absolute sense!
@BizAutomation4U
@BizAutomation4U 2 месяца назад
150 Lbs - But it takes an 800 LB battery to run it. So, that 50Lb savings is neglagible... not a big deal.
@callmebigpapa
@callmebigpapa 3 месяца назад
I just want a very cheap reliable econobox car to hold me over until transport as a service arrives and I can ditch owning a personal car. This will not be for everyone but it will work for me.
@raoulheinrichvonmerten4851
@raoulheinrichvonmerten4851 3 месяца назад
You mainly think about the battery but this new advance in smaller and more powerful motors is a game changer.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
Only in combination with many other small advances. Tey add up.
@enigma-8u
@enigma-8u 3 месяца назад
So basically, roughly a 30% improvement over the Model Y motor but it needs to run at twice the RPM and generates a lot more heat. I think this comes down to motor life. But I am sure it will inspire Tesla engineers to dig deeper!
@melivey4196
@melivey4196 3 месяца назад
Radial flux? Axial flux? No mention, or did I miss it?
@mikedennington8856
@mikedennington8856 3 месяца назад
Can't afford an EV so recently had to buy another ICE Nissan, no choice.
@Brisket9392
@Brisket9392 3 месяца назад
2017/2018 Bolts and 2020 Nissan Leafs can be had for $8-$12k. If you can charge at home it's a smoking good deal and low cost of ownership. If that's above your budget and a range below 100 miles is acceptable, you will need to look at older Leafs and Spark Evs.
@sparkysho-ze7nm
@sparkysho-ze7nm 3 месяца назад
I can verify it six’s to be poor least u prolly don’t live in gnas basement
@danielwalther5841
@danielwalther5841 2 месяца назад
Can admiration find no other words? Does a current new development always have to be the 'killer' of what has proven (Even if it wasn't perfect) itself to date? If it is the killer of the obsolete, why should it be the savior of real people?
@russellfreestone8580
@russellfreestone8580 3 месяца назад
Very interesting and enlightening, personally I think that they need to really redesign the body shells to become totally futuristic and stop any comparison with current vehicles.
@OlivierSuire
@OlivierSuire 3 месяца назад
A second motor is not only about power, it's also about traction.
@scruffy4647
@scruffy4647 3 месяца назад
There is no doubt that electric motors are more efficient than ICE. The elephant in the room is the source of energy. Batteries are getting more energy efficient but when you compare them to liquid fuel by weight, there is no comparison. It takes one gallon of gasoline (8.4 lbs) to propel a car 35 miles (rated 35 mpg) as opposed to 400 lbs of lithium batteries for the same equivalent mileage. These are older numbers and batteries are definitely getting lighter, but they have a ways to go.
@wilfredvanvalkenburgh2874
@wilfredvanvalkenburgh2874 3 месяца назад
It also takes 90,000 gallons of air, which weighs 90 lbs, to combust that gallon of gasoline, which then leaves 21 lbs of CO2 to be dumped into the free public sewer that our grandchildren will call "our atmosphere. You are right, there is no comparison.
@jamesphillips2961
@jamesphillips2961 3 месяца назад
35 mpg is getting into hybrid(electrification) range. The US passenger vehicle average is probably closer to 25mpg. I think a better way to look at it is that a gallon of gas has 34 Kwh of energy, so a 1000 lb/80kwh battery has the same energy storage as 2.5 gallons of gas. Assume a 260 mile range for an EV under relatively favorable conditions, you need closer to 11 gallons of gas to get there. BTW water weighs 8.4 lbs per gallon, a gallon of gas is actually lighter at about 6 lbs. So 66 lbs of gas vs 1000 lbs of batteries. ICE's ONLY advantage vs EVs, IMHO. If EVs could shed some weight, make a small incremental increase in battery storage, and get rid of the ridiculous tendency for overly large wheels/tires, the gap closes somewhat. Ways to go, absolutely agree there.
@wilfredvanvalkenburgh2874
@wilfredvanvalkenburgh2874 3 месяца назад
@@jamesphillips2961 24.5 MPG average is the figure that I've heard for the US fleet.
@wilfredvanvalkenburgh2874
@wilfredvanvalkenburgh2874 3 месяца назад
Also forgotten in this equation that batteries are reusable many thousands of times, but liquid fuel can only be used once. Add to that the additional energy costs of oil refining of about 4 kilowatts per gallon. An efficient EV can travel 18.75 miles just on the electricity used to refine that gallon.
@scruffy4647
@scruffy4647 3 месяца назад
@@wilfredvanvalkenburgh2874 The reality is were trading one environmental impact for another.
@cmw3737
@cmw3737 3 месяца назад
My 2016 model S has way more space than the new ones in the frunk. It's not motors and I'm not sure what is taking up the space but the new frunk is a bucket compared to the large cupboard of the older model.
@danielstapler4315
@danielstapler4315 3 месяца назад
Power per kilogram of motor weight isn't that big a deal imo. Keep the old motor and go a diet and you'll be half way there. Edit: Also I thought the model 3 motor was like 40 kg.
@CarlosSantos-xb8ew
@CarlosSantos-xb8ew 2 месяца назад
Cheaper, less Weight... More rotation, more bearing problems... I have some doubs..
@ohger1
@ohger1 3 месяца назад
The efficiency doesn't really impress me as 67% improvement (granting that's true - I actually doubt that but whatever) over a current EV motor that is already 92% efficient isn't a big deal for range or charging costs, but the more compact size and weight is a nice improvement that will greatly improve packaging of the powertrain in an EV.
@timsimshurst
@timsimshurst 3 месяца назад
These innovations just mean that depreciation is going to be huge
@Hybridog
@Hybridog 3 месяца назад
It's all about improvement in efficiency. Motors, electronics, computers, batteries, structural systems - all of these things can be made more efficient and they are doing it. The ICE car industry is pretty moribund when it comes to engineering innovation, except for exotic supercars where innovation still exists. EVs have opened a lot of doors and R&D money is being spent on improving all aspects of vehicles. The whole castings revolution Tesla ignited is going to be a big deal and will probably trickle down to ICE cars and trucks. These new smaller stronger motors are a big deal and lots of companies are working on them. Independent all-wheel drive may become quite affordable in EVs as motors get smaller and better. Ch-ch-ch-changes baby!
@dsc0273
@dsc0273 3 месяца назад
Thanks Sam
@SovrinWealth
@SovrinWealth 3 месяца назад
ICE is already finished - cost curves on all the inputs of EV's show that long time ago and that's all that really matters - imagine no more fuel costs, maintenance down to shock absorbers, brake pads and maybe control arms - that's it - with literally zero energy costs for your home, food that costs probably 100 times less that what you are paying now, no medical costs as med beds are already here and insurance costs also about 100 times cheaper that currently - golden age....
@dbatch5677
@dbatch5677 3 месяца назад
I hope so!
@terryward1422
@terryward1422 3 месяца назад
It will be interesting to see if the range of EVs made with these motors from Magna will increase noticeably. When you combine the weight loss and the increase of electric motor efficiency some EVs might reach the magic 500 km under real world conditions.
@aware2action
@aware2action 3 месяца назад
Motors are fairly efficient already, compared to an ICE engine. What is lacking is a matching efficient power source that has a high power density. It is hard to compete with an ICE, with that burden of a battery pack to lug around, doing essentially the same as done by few gallons of gas. Ideal solution is a fuel cell that derives energy through alternate green energy sources. But building an infrastructure is not easy, let alone having a safe fuel cell approved for public utilization.
@jonsek
@jonsek 2 месяца назад
We should think fuel cell battery electric hybrids would be lighter. But, the 2024 Toyota Mirai curb weight is around 4300 lbs. (1954kg). And this, from the world's best hybrid company with a 2nd generation design. You've touched on only a few of hydrogen's limitations.
@sparkysho-ze7nm
@sparkysho-ze7nm 3 месяца назад
Mr Sam think about 2 motors 1 for power 1 for regen help h? Ha h ? See what I’m stepping in? Oh yeah GUDDAY MATE U ROK
@miroslawkaras7710
@miroslawkaras7710 3 месяца назад
Efficiency for car you need to co Suder as well to wheel. So even the electric motor is 90% efficient, when the source of electricity is from fossil fuel the efficiency drops to less than 30%, as commercial power station efficiency is around 40%.if your source of electricity is renewal then you can claim around 80%, as battery efficiency is also around 90%. We probably have around 10-15 years before battery capacity and cost will totally overshadow the IC engine. We are still not there.
@magnuslarsson337
@magnuslarsson337 3 месяца назад
I hope that’s over the entire drive cycle because 93 % is not that high for an electric motor, and 97-98% is quite normal in efficiency-demanding applications.
@holdon4992
@holdon4992 3 месяца назад
Unfortunately this technology and the latest battery technology is not coming to market fast enough. I want an EV but my old ICE fully paid for and runs great makes it difficult to get an EV as current EVs are expensive and lose value very fast. Great video though.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
The cheapest car is generally the one you own. Compare new ICE to new EVs if you want to be fair about the technology. Not the paid for car in your driveway.
@holdon4992
@holdon4992 3 месяца назад
@@danharold3087 True but my resale value on my ICE is still high in comparison to what EVs are getting. Thats the point. It’s like phones that come out with a new model every year and your old one drops in value quickly. ICE technology has been around for a century.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
​@@holdon4992 Rather than point out the advantages of driving an EV let me take a somewhat different approach. If you want to drive an ICE I am sure you can drive new and eventually used ones until you die. Providing the price of gasoline remains sane. It is plentiful now but fracked wells get used up fast. In my experience every time they say we are about out new tech finds a way to extract more. Logic says that has to end at some point but not when that point is. Either you care about pollution and the environment or you don't. If we err on the side of caution worst case we have cleaner air. Not so nice if we ignore and are wrong. Your choice but we all end up living with the consequences.
@holdon4992
@holdon4992 3 месяца назад
@@danharold3087 I will repeat. I want an EV. Economics and infrastructure are key for full adaptation. The infrastructure is increasing but is not fully in place. The technology is advancing rapidly but I’m not rich enough to buy a car that loses its value as fast as EVs are at the moment. I remember an old cartoon when computers were advancing rapidly and the top shelf was new computers and the second shelf read Day Old computers. Thats where EVs are currently at. Once they stabilize in a few years or so, I’ll probably buy one. Until then, it’s watch and wait.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
@@holdon4992 If you get less for your trade, the new EV you replace it with will be less too. I call that a wash. Because it is the falling price of new EVs that is driving this depreciation. That and Hertz. If you do make the plunge buy gap insurance. If you cant afford the insurance I suggest you not buy the car.
@jean-marcducommun8185
@jean-marcducommun8185 3 месяца назад
Lightweight EV motor meeting heavy batteries. As far as I know a full size batterie for an EV weighs about 600 kg - therefore the reduced weight of the motor sounds nice but that's all. Latest Merc G-Wagon comes at 3000 kg and therefore I conclude that even with reduced weight of motors it doesn't alter the fact that EVs tend to be "obese" in human terms.
@nerdbikes3841
@nerdbikes3841 3 месяца назад
This is still just 2024. The way EV technology is progressing by 2030 a 500hp motor 100kWh battery chassis package will be 1/3 the weight it is now. By 2030 EVs will be significantly lighter, less expensive and much faster than ICE cars.
@DanFrederiksen
@DanFrederiksen 3 месяца назад
Interesting how much progress has been done in motor design. I would have thought that was figured out long ago. Once you have a lean EV and 2 solar panels on the garage roof powers all its driving it's hard to see a role for ICE cars.
@jensstubbestergaard6794
@jensstubbestergaard6794 3 месяца назад
250kW peak power for 75kg is not special. Lucid Tech talk, drive unit explains how they extract nearly twice from the same mass but a smaller package. Future motors are likely to go way more compact and light. The efficiency is also going to go through the roof.
@alsjogren7890
@alsjogren7890 3 месяца назад
How about comparing in-wheel motors, like in Aptera, to this new Magna motor?
@MrGMawson2438
@MrGMawson2438 3 месяца назад
5:04 Like this one I Drive Acura's New Electric SUV For The First Time! ZDX Type S Full Tour, Charging, & Road Test Out of Spec Reviews
@stilllearning7434
@stilllearning7434 3 месяца назад
Good one !
@rayleeaustralia
@rayleeaustralia 3 месяца назад
The next breakthrough in my option with EV will be solar charging. Yes I know it will not work in some countries but in others where the sun do shine more than 50% of the time it's a game changer
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
A solar roof with a powerwall or equivalent is the nightmare of both oil and electrical companies.
@Tesla.tricks
@Tesla.tricks 3 месяца назад
Wake up from ur dream my friend , THIS IS ALREADY A REALITY
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 3 месяца назад
This is a nice little improvement. I wonder how much less copper the motor needs per kW output (if it does use less copper). The industry really needs to work on copper use in electric motors.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
Switch them all to 1000V.
@phyotyla
@phyotyla 3 месяца назад
Contract manufacturing is outsourcing, not rebadging.
@rand49er
@rand49er 3 месяца назад
I'm assuming this is an axial-flux design. Now, we need a solid-state battery that charges quickly, can endure nearly 100k charge cycles, has better energy density, and whose costs are comparable to an ICE in terms of power.
@SandyRegion
@SandyRegion 3 месяца назад
Exciting times in the EV world, unless you're a Tesla employee.
@fredbloggs5902
@fredbloggs5902 3 месяца назад
90% of employees are fine. Their share options mean it’s in their interest to get rid of all the poor performers.
@thebattery500
@thebattery500 3 месяца назад
😂 Great comment!
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 3 месяца назад
Several major companies have undergone significant layoffs where they reduced their workforce by 10% or more in a single year. Among the ones you may recognize are IBM, Cisco, Microsoft, HP (Hewlett-Packard), and Oracle.
@peterdollins3610
@peterdollins3610 3 месяца назад
Yes. But battery technology is still not up to transport tasks except for bikes, scooters or micro cars. Promises to catch up in one or three years, hopefully. Meantime it is Public Transport a walking stick or occasionally, a taxi.
@orionliebowitz5368
@orionliebowitz5368 3 месяца назад
The future is here
@sparkysho-ze7nm
@sparkysho-ze7nm 3 месяца назад
…..3.5 more hours
@stefan2796
@stefan2796 3 месяца назад
Tomorrow, everything will be better...
@Soverenk
@Soverenk 3 месяца назад
7:10 the shaft torque should be equal to the wheel torque. 5000 Nm is not unusual at the wheel. It is unusual at the motor!
@domi1kenobi
@domi1kenobi 3 месяца назад
the reason why the evolution of EV's goes so fast is because there is so much room for improvement.
@steve-qe7tj
@steve-qe7tj 3 месяца назад
Governments all over the world should ban the making of ice engines from this point forward! The electric engines are far smaller and simpler and have more power! The idea they can't tow is because of a glitch in the cybertruck's programming! Trust me, that thing could tow anything! All you have to do is look at trains! They are diesel/ electric, not diesel alone! That diesel engine only turns an alternator which in turn runs the traction motors on the axles of the engines! They've been around for 70 plus years! Larger vehicles probably should have a small 4 stroke ice engine to run an alternator to do the same thing, at least once the batteries run out. Of course, since Tesla semi can outrun and outperform any semi out there, and still get 500 miles to the charge, it really doesn't matter! 💙💙💙
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