New GWM P-Series LT 4x4 vs Ford Ranger XL Sport - In-depth review and buying advice 

And it would make sense since cars these days aren't made to last. l have a '96 BMW 740il and a '89 Ford Cortina (service myself). They still chug along while my wife's 2019 Polo Vivo is already dying and we paid over R20,000 recently to somewhat fix a few things. We're currently looking for a small suv for her, which is, you've guessed Hyundai.

That's not saying people are going to sacrifice quality for price. In this case, Chinese cars are just getting better every year. A few years ago, you wouldn't dream of wanting a Chinese car but now, looking at the Chinese market, you can see so many cars you would like sitting in your driveway. Link and Co comes to mind.

@@123fourfive5 so true. Weird fact, I have the same profile picture for my cellphone and yeah, I wear hoodies everywhere, lol

@@teoigi3247 Same! Hoodies are literally the most comfortable and convenient piece of clothing ever. I have no idea where it came from though. I think it was just on a random post on facebook

@@123fourfive5 hoodies for life, lol. Keep safe bruv and keep being cool.

I drove it its good but a bit slow, maybe is because I drive privates, it its ncap 5* I guess it's a better bakkie and but we don't know so far it's durability ®

@@khomotsoda-masiamasia3835 I know it's durability. When it eventually breaks, it's usually terminal

Problem is resale value

It will fall a part as fast as every Chinese product out there !!!!!! It’s like buying a Louis Vuitton bag in Chinatown Manhattan 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

Easy to ignore frills. What you should not ignore is basic quality of design and build integrity which the Ranger gives you loads of. Check out the back end of the Chinese product flexing in the video.

I'm thinking to get one .....

The black grille bars look better than the all chrome ones in Australia in my opinion.

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Service price?

@@tuck7260 capped for 7 years. First service was $250

I have the same experience, not once did I think I need more power or whatever. I am averaging 7.5 litres per 100 km as well.

hi there, i test drove it and i found it to be very loud in the cabin, was it perhaps the road i drove on? How is your cabin inside, i currently have a wildtrak and thinking of trading it in as the price is phenomenal, i can get a brand new p series when i sell my 2nd hand wildtrak.. hows the cabin sound inside? Thanks

Nice to hear. I’m keen on some decent off-roading, and that was a concern.

Any news now that you had it a while?

Frankly that's great for you. The test will be when we start seeing them at 3 years. Will they rust and fall apart? Time will tell

So worth it ! I went for a test drive for this definitely going to get it !

Did you guys get it?

Haval is already expensive, especially the H2 and H6

@@Lesiba2 expensive? are you looking at the prices of their direct competition? Haval is very well priced, and have more features in most cases

@@LeonSteyn55 Tell us how they(Haval & GWM) resale, and parts buckets. Check that first. For instance, the P-series use a ZF gearbox and it does not come cheap both in repairs and parts!. See the big picture.....

@@LeonSteyn55 Haval is rubbish. Just like any other Chinese brand.

@@labourlawact7826 The level of ignorance here is beyond words. Do you have any idea how much "Chinese parts" are in the other brands? Then most iPhones are rubbish too since a lot of them have been manufactured in China.

I fear they may be like huawei, start out cheap to gain an audience and next few years they became the same price as samsung apple etc.

@to G hell its everyone's business model! Look at Hyundai and Kia.

Owning a chinese bakkie since 2007 I must say it is better to buy a clapped out Toyota anytime before buying anything chinese.

except in a crash, regardless of how many airbags it has its structually no where near as good as the Ranger, not to mention, drivetrain, chassis and suspension flashy tech and a higher spec interior for cheaper isnt enough to show which is better underneath all that

True 🤞

Or even new suspension you will still save a ton of money

The tray looks too giggly

Longer rear Shackles+flip two leaf springs after straightening them and problem solved.

The thing is, we shouldn't be spending more money on installing new things on a new bakkie, they should fix it from the get go. Like the bouncing back tray.

@@Marchel-Tees Have you seen all the upgraded suspensions on Rangers and Hilux bakkies everywhere you look? Be honest with yourself... People upgrade their vehicles. You dont have to do anything you dont want to do

That and the Haval H-series have definitely got the attention of the South Africans.😊

@@gcinanomela6772 you mean....some South Africans...but not the gross majority of Hilux, Ranger and Amarok buyers....money talks and bullshit walks...time will tell.

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@@danielbredenkamp3957 Presies. Net so.

Turn the page? HAHAHA 😁😁😂😃😁

people just have a stigma,the P series just proved how overpriced the other brands are. there's nothing wrong with the steeds I have one myself for 8years now. some brand loyal people just cannot accept what they see in the P-Series

@@nokocambelngoasheng9279 Some people are just very close minded , racist, stubborn and conservative. Its funny how They get extremely threatened/offended if someone says a thing about their car or praises another. Its like they hear someone praising other kids instead of their kids and needed to jump off a cliff. I like to try out all different kinds of makes and models, ive only driven the steeds a few times at work but since they have never failed us since 2010, i will be getting the p series next! What a beautiful car, buying it from edenvale haval/gwm gives 7 years unlimited warranty!

@@Ilikepie18855 couldn't have said it better. and they are here reading your facts. I hope they change the mindsets

Go get you your GWM you'll only win

That fuel economy and the turbo lag are too much to ignore

I will never buy Chinese cars again. But after the shitty Ford 2.2 I bought in 2019 I won't be buying Ford again. Only ldv that never disappointed me was Isuzu.

It looks like artificial leather.

@deontjie incase you didn't know Isuzu is Chinese as well. Maybe now you will look at yourself in the mirror and realise that you should put some respect on the name

​@@Deontjie.

You won't have any job or hard earned money if you give it all away to China, allowing it to destroy your industry.

Totally agree👍🏽

I work here in Saudi Arabia. What I have seen here is Haval is everywhere.. In streets here in Saudi Arabia and pick up too..

I’m sure you can do all that with 300k and have plenty of change.

Just ordered one and expecting a week before Christmas and hopping to test drive it on a long highway December holiday.

Why do you care what your neighbor says?

why care about who will say what ? as long as you see value for money and remain happy...infact your neighbors would be jealous

Eff the neighbours. If they are jealous or talk sh.t behind your back, then they shitty in any case. I am for everyone going ahead in life in their own way😁💪🏽🏎

Who pays?

With at least 20% import duty on top of the retail price you can imagine what the P-Series really cost. Ford gets manufactured in SA, even the engine get manufactured here with volume sales. Why the big price difference?

@@etienne6641 it takes millions and millions of Rands put into R&D to get a vehicle as sorted as the Ranger. It doesn't just drive and feel better for free... And I bet once you put the p-series through a crash test, it will also show some weakness....

@@hbnation1159 yes I am fully aware of the big R&D cost. I am driving a Ranger myself and never complained to anyone about the vehicle itself. I think it's all down to China's economy of scale, lower labor cost and superb productivity. Chinese luxury vehicles crash test improved dramatically over the last few years since the export market opened.

@@etienne6641 There are no import taxes on Chinese made automobiles. Check the SARS tax schedules

@@sdonagmac2293 I wasn't aware of this. Most probably a free trade agreement then. Even so the Ranger cost much more for a lower spec vehicle.

Negative comments from ignorant China haters who has no insight.. China will rule the world. Those guys just get on with it..

@@johnnybravo1912 ignorant and racist, probably more of the racist part. I'm not too fond of china ruling the world seeing how they treat their own people..... but this p series is solid. Rear seats are spacious unlike most double cabs with tiny space...

@@Ilikepie18855 Rule in terms of technology and products..

@@johnnybravo1912 oh. In that case they already do pretty well.

No. Your just sacrificing power for luxury. And you cant compare Luxury with a Sport package that is mainly rims and stickers

Yep, I agree. The p series is coming up with all kinds of problems after a while.

A few years ago, the ranger or hilux etc were also new on the market, they stood the test of time......you may not like GWM or the Chinese altogether but it's only fair to allow them time to show their mettle......remember the steed, it's still around....enough said

@@EddieMohammed I'm a mechanic, and the steed has lots of problems.

@@EddieMohammed Chinese are trying to take over the market that ford has created. Ford has created alot of jobs and with their factory getting bigger which means more jobs for others that need. These P series are getting shipped in.

If you get it, get a cover for the tub, one of the ones that add extra height

If you want to shop around, have a look at the Mitsubishi Pajero/montero sport or the triton on which it is based, or the saic t60 if you have it in South Africa

😂😂😂😂😂😂💀

Time to get a new wife then🤡

Its not even manufactured in SA so what happens if you need parts?

Why not the Ranger which will keep your S.African economy going and provides quality employment at many S African factories making engines, the chassis, the body and assembling it all into a quality product that is one of the best sellers worldwide. Take pride in a quality successful home-grown product and in your fellow workers. PS I am not a S African and have never visited.

@@hedydd2 True, but Hilux is also assembled in South Africa, and so is Mahindra Bolero.

@@nkgudih So buy one of those if you prefer.

Haval is THE best selling SUV in China for years.

I drive my second Gen had Steed5 loved it for what it is.Mechanicaly I had no problems.In those first years of Gwm the aftersales wasn't as it should be had alot of issues. I now drive Steed 6 for 5jrs and can honestly report no problems with vehicle and after sales service was vastly improved. I can honestly say I enjoy my bakkie although still get the of sny remark but with respect people are starting to see the value in the new chinese vehicles. Wish I had finansies to purchase a new poer .... I mean P series.

Ranger deep in your pocket

@Fouzaan Noble don't be the troll. Allow people their opinion. The P series makes sense to some of the people

Its not even manufactured in SA so what happens if you need parts?

@@YoungCarWiz Buy the car so that GWM can bring the manufacturing to the country and anyhow, Great Wall Motors is available in the country.

Correct. Interior and safety tech.

I won't bet on that...and no..ot does.not offer 40% of a Hiluxes capability or longevity...I call it cheap Chinese shit and so the SA bakkie market will too. You are welcome to.take your R550k wherever you like, but I will take mine where I know I can rely on the great things a Toyota offers. Good luck cause you're gonna need it!

@@danielbredenkamp3957 I agree

@@danielbredenkamp3957 offers 140% of a Hilux's capability and longevity, cheap Japanese shit sucks ass compared to Chinese cars. Toyota is pure shit.

Value for money is not only measured by the purchase price & spec, but also the useful life you can get out of the vehicle with the least amount of issues & cost of ownership... Between a Toyota Hilux & the P-Series 10 years , 250 000 - 400 000 km from now which one do you think would have visited the dealer more for things other than regular servicing & which one do you think would be worth more at that point?

@@MIGerlag very good point!

@@MIGerlag the ford may fare worse than the gwm, only toyota will emerge as king.

@@MIGerlag I had a Toyota TownAce, only 80k. the engine had big problems, only 3 cylinders working! which was only 4 years old.

@@yuanli2490 Nothing is perfect, but you’ll have a better chance in a Toyota... your situation sounds catastrophic though. I’m basing what I’m saying on my own experience with Toyota products of which we have had many examples. For work (family business) we’re currently running 3 Toyota Hiluxs, one 4.0 V6 D/C & two 2.7 S/Cs... two of them are just over 10 years old & over 200 000 km & one is under 10 years old... we work these bakkies hard & they’re usually laden & sometimes over laden. Up to this point we have had no serious issues or faults, they never complain & we especially make those 2.7s scream for their supper when they’re loaded... We have had to replace the clutch on the one S/C just under 200 000 km, but the clutch is a wearable component & they tend to wear faster if you’re constantly laden. Other than that they’ve only ever been in for regular servicing. Before those three the last Hilux we traded in was also a 2.7 S/C (2003 model) also a working truck, when we traded it in it was close to 300 000 km, also had no issues, still ran as sweet as it did as new when we sold it. My dad also had 2 other Hiluxs & a one Ford Ranger before that. No car is perfect, not even Toyota, however I have personally experienced 4 separate samples over that last 20 years & our bakkies work harder than your average bakkie as they’re usually laden & I can personally attest to Toyota’s general durability. Toyota has proven itself over a long period of time... There’s a reason behind the fact that you can’t drive for 5 mins in South Africa without passing at least one Hilux. There’s also a reason there’s still just as many 1990’s HiAce Toyota minibus taxis still jumping red lights with 25 people onboard nearly 30 years later... can you imagine the mileage on those things, as much as South African taxis annoy me, you gotta admire the durability of those things if we’re still seeing thousands of the damn things still on our roads 30 years later... Also if you look on auto trader & sort all vehicles by mileage you’ll find most are Japanese & they hold better value than others... I mean why is a 1989 Toyota Hilux with 300 000 km still selling for R100k? There’s a 2007 2.5D-4D Hilux S/C SRX with 709 000 km on the clock selling for R129k, there’s multiple Hiluxs with around 500 000km selling around R130k... I’m guessing you won’t find that P-Series in 10 years time with mileage like that...

Daylight robbery...

Can't compare Luxury with a sport package that mainly is mags and stickers. Compare it with the XLT 3.2 / XLT2.2 / XLT 2l bi turbo.

@@eliminatorx6463 which is like way more expensive so what’s the point?

@@marcelmotorzoneza9626 XLT 3.2 2021 brand new cost is R650k 147kw and 470nm, P Series R544k 120kw and 400nm. If you put the same engine in the p series you'll be looking at R700-R800k for the P series.

@@eliminatorx6463 and the ranger 4x4 transfer case will pop at 70,000kms so don’t raise the reliability issue

Get a raptor with paddle it will brutalize the gwm

@@shaunsnyman5107 This is about the price point and what you get for your money, how much is a raptor?

🤣Finish it.

@@shaunsnyman5107 raptor craptor

you got to see how australians used this P series. you see many videos of it in youtube as GWM cannon ute.. they bring this thing to some of the toughest terrain while carrying 3 ton trailers. running 90000km in less than a year in outback australia. nobody can find a defect whatsoever.

Get it wena moghel issa beast!!!!!

In South Africa there aren't any safety regulations for cars. Look at the Ranger at such price with reflector headlights, obviously safety was not considered here. South Africa is still far behind with technology, hence cars like Skoda aren't available in the country

Murder isnt even illegal over here. Ford rangers had multiple premature engine ,turbo, and transmission failures. And when ford refused to honour the warranty basically nothing happened.

@@Lesiba2 what a kak comment... So... You can buy a Lambo and a Bentley in SA but not a Skoda, cuz a Skoda is too advanced???

@@Lesiba2 Skoda is not here because VW does not see the value in selling it, nothing to do with tech Mate its basic economics. Skoda, VW, Audi etc all share comon elements and tech

@@Lesiba2 Skoda is on the cheap end of VW Groups portfolio, what does it have to do with safety?

I agree. If I needed a new bakkie today. It would probably be an Isuzu. But in 5 years when there are a bunch out of warranty. I will then look at buying one new.

Hyundai and Kia still turn into endless money pits as they age

That’s good to hear, thanks

Not for long. The gwm will fall apart in front of your very eyes!

@@labourlawact7826 do you own some shares at Ford? The hate you have for GWM is unmerited.

it’s scary

A Chinese plaas lol

Ok cool I wasn't imagining that, guess they didn't weld them well guess will have to wait for next generation😅

thats how it absorbs energy from road, by vibrating off.

Ford does make a Ranger that is this luxurious. It's called the Wildtrak and it started the luxury Bakkie nameplate. No better option out there. PS: If you can find stock, it's currently on special!!

@@hbnation1159 Nahhh the Wildtrack isn't that luxurious, it's more tough and rugged, so idek what luxury bakkie template you're talking about 🤣 you're probably a Ford salesman

@@korvinpillay1002 The Wildtrak has Everything the P-Series has apart from the 360° camera. 157kw/500Nm compared to 120kw/400Nm of the P. Also a 10 speed Auto... Auto parallel parking, a bedliner, full LED headlights... And Ford Pass! BOOM! YADONE

@@hbnation1159 compare the prices though 😉 that was my point initially

@@korvinpillay1002 The Wildtrak 4x4 can be bought for R700 000. Not the damn R900 000 you suggested. Stop-it now. You are embarrassing yourself.

Its not even manufactured in SA so what happens if you need parts?

It's even used in the new BMW X7 and Jaguar F-Type

ZF make gearboxes for almost every car maker so there nothing special about it.

The zf gearboxes are better than the manufacturers own crappy boxes. That's about the only good item on the gwm.....

@@hein_mcleod They might not be special to you... But whats makes its special is that the Ranger don't have it