New Laptop Brand Shocked Whole Computer Industry - Framework Laptop - Teardown And Repair Assessment 

They are mostly told to make it as cheap as possible. That's not the same.

@@theEskalaator Yeah, Apple products are soooooo cheap

@@Invictus_Mithra cheap for them. Not for us.

@@TheRealGigaCat To answer seriously though. The two things don't have to be mutually exclusive. Products can be designed to be cheap AND also to be unrepairable. Just look at all the examples of anti-repair design practices companies employ on this RU-vid channel.

@@Invictus_Mithra I didn't say they are. I was only referring to what @theEskalaator meant by the statement he gave. Product can be anything they want.

It's almost enough to make me want to switch to PCs

@@-danR just my thoughts. Now if this would run MacOS, I'd be happy...

You mean this manufacturer? Are there any others?

Which other manufacturers made their products repairable? The ones i know are already bankrupt :)

@@christianmontagx8461 Asus laptops are fairly repairable in my experience - among the popular ones I mean.

A laptop for costumers? Who knew they even used 'em!

@@myrusEW LOL, so true!

*Customers

America!

Thanks for correcting guys, you are really smart

Bro framework has been talking and talking for about 2 years now, and now they are trying to release something?

@@flamingkillermc2806 they already had a device released for years now, the 16 is just a larger more customizable version of what is already released.

@@flamingkillermc2806 what are you talking about?

@@flamingkillermc2806 it's not good to be a stupid fanboy, support right to repair and companies that support it, because you can be sure as hell Dell or Apple won't

Its going to be pricyyy

I am not giving them 1000 bucks for a 300 dollar laptop just so i can take it apart easily haha. You literally can buy a better laptop with everything for the price of the mother board he has there. 1000 dollars for a low end laptop with out windows is horrid priced. You can buy a oled 90hz for 600 with the same specs. You can buy one with better specs then they have for 1000. Its just a dumb gimmick, but it worked on you it seems.

@@FUmoneyWorshippers then make them have machine to be manufactured cheaper as factories will reduce the production price from them if the number of orders is high enough, they are an entrepreneur having only few people and lack the ability to do so. Also, big companies can do it but they just don't want to because fix thing on your own might make them not be able to sell a new one for you that easily.

⁠@@FUmoneyWorshippers The point of framework is to have the option to have laptop that’s repairable and upgradeable, if you’re buying a $1,000 laptop, thats fine; not everyone can afford a framework laptop, but if next gen costs $2,000 thats double the price of a normal laptop (especially with inflation). Thats not even getting started on repairability, having a good repairable laptop means if the battery stops working, then you just replace it, you won’t need to buy a whole new laptop.

@@FUmoneyWorshippersNovel ideas are expensive because it is not mass produced, and unfortunately thanks in part to people with your attitude, a lot of novel ideas dont get to the point of getting mass produced and subsequent price reduction. People say the same shit about a lot of things that face similar situation. You're not the enlightened one. You dont stand above the rest and sees it for what it truly is. You're just ignorant.

Linus Tech Tips invested around $200,000 into their company I think

Unless you have one of these, the only thing you can upgrade in your laptop is going to be the Ram, and that is extremely easy to do on every laptop I am aware of minus Apple nonsense. How much Ram do you currently have? I went from 8single stick to 32 dual sticks, both at 3200mhz, and the difference was night and day! Another easy to do upgrade that would benefit you, and mayyyybe speed up your system, is installing another nvme m.2 SSD. You can do both upgrades for about 120$ or less right now :D

@@MrNecryptic some laptops have only soldered ram

That finger only stays up as long as Framework does. I plan to get a Framework 16.

i think its a clever business move alignign with the trends and movements towards right to repaid and coming laws. Also clever to make money off the replacement parts. Not saying it's bad, thats exactly how it should be (like being able to buy the actual brand replacements and not having to resort to not repairing something at all or getting shady shit.) But I hope it's gonna be affordable and industry standard in some years.

if your hands not from the ass, you could do it before.

The price is too high. They can not compete brands, unfortunately.

@@STEELWILL Exactly my thoughts, considering a laptop has the lifespan of a couple of years anyway. I just can't see how this will make any difference. Also in a couple of years from now we'll be on VR headsets anyway.

They are actually certified TB3 now

@@felkmane But only on the Intel model, a Thunderbolt 4 is still proprietary to Intel and Apple and needs royalties and a chip for USB4.

Intel was a dealbreaker and the AMD Version is non USB4/TB3 so i had to pass it for the next best HP Elitebook 845 G9

@@natzzzy9119 except the AMD version has USB 4 still?

On the Intel 12th and 13th gen models, all 4 ports are Thunderbolt 4 certified. On the AMD 7040 models, 2 ports are USB 4 with DP alt mode (one on each side), 1 is USB 3.2 with DP alt mode, and 1 is USB 3.2 without DP alt mode.

i like my Notebook, why i need to upgrade parts, i just order the best OMEN, on my needs. will it get outdated, i need a new model !

I was going to say, id love to as well. Framework if your reading this, please consider letting us invest!

H/P? showed a concept right to repair friendly laptop and I 100% believe it is from the hype of FRAMEWORK

Apple isnt an oem they make their own chips

@@danial_aminieven before their own chips their motherboards were entirely custom designed too…

The only mainstream company that comes close is Lenovo....

consider buying a usb-c charger or some clothing article from them if you don't want to drop $1000 on a laptop but still want to support them

Torx is also nice, they're a good bit more difficult to destroy if you don't have enough force

I replaced my hinges in five minutes. AT WORK. IN PERSON. And then replaced my screen a week later. AT WORK. It's stupid easy to work on lol.

​@@spdcrzy how long do you think it takes to replace hinges and screen on a T420 thinkpad? hint: i can do it in less than 6 minutes, including cleaning. whole teardown in 20 min. including a coffee, cleaning, including fan and thermal paste, upgrading and rebuilding the whole don't even takes more 30 minutes tops. 😏 same for some dell and hp professional laptops series. (yes, i know, it's an old thinkpad but it still has the one of the best keyboard for me along with a trackpoint 🔴)

@@kittytrail But those laptops are not upgradable.

You're welcome!

HP is a brand that i stay away from. I was told by my teacher, mid 1990s that the brand was a nightmare. I never strayed from that advice.

@@humanbeing8948 he can't choose, only repair

@@humanbeing8948 They were at their worst in 1990, their probook line is alright.

@@Slamdoxicalz Don't say that it's trash, I had owned one. Battery swollen after a BIOS upgrade, screw at the back to enter the internals is made of of very cheap metal.

bezel held by magnets is fine feature for owner held laptop, i cant see it as good option when school kids are involved. but again, depends what kind of school and where. it makes huge difference

Same

Same

Apple: we will file a cease and desist order

@@rosaria8384 yeah, they will pay politicians money to enact some legislation to make upgradeability illegal.

Kinda weird since back then a totally modular laptop were the thing. Heck, even modular HDD and DVD drive

Everyone in tech IS supporting them. In a few months all laptops at my work will be replaced by Framework. I'm looking forward to it.

@@kable6693you are one lucky guy, my work just ordered new laptops and I will get an M2 Macbook Pro. I would have chosen the Lenovo that was the other option, but the battery life was a straight nogo to me and afaik Lenovo Thinkpad aren’t upgradable these days anymore :/

well i sure would if i had money, they are still quite expensive

​@@SUPERBOBESPONJA1000 expensive compared to what? it's the same as cars, you can spend $150 on a refurb thinkpad, 399 on a shitty hp from walmart, get a 3k macbook or splurge 10k or even more on a high-end gaming or workstation laptop. those seem to be upgradable for a couple gens, maybe more and every part is easily swappable by yourself with a single screwdriver if you want to.

I'd surely buy their products, if they sold in my country.

better than lenovo. they were the prev title holder for ease of upgrade!

I don't think Framework was shocking to any insider of the laptop industry. After 30 years of competition to produce the lightest, powerfulest, lastingest, usablest ... Now we've got the most user-serviceablest laptop.

0:28 mainboard mentioned 13 th generation i7 but on board mentioned 2:50 ----------12 th generation i5 why they are doing this or else i am wrong

Indeed, and Framework can (and should of course) make money selling its upgrade parts to those who want or need them. Also, though you'd have to return the parts to the supplier, you may not need to send the machine in for warranty calls.

​@@SATYALIFESTYLESTUDIOS13th gen was to be replaced. when he opened the 12th gen nd replaced it with 13th.

Honestly, if framework is shipping on my country, I would probably get one as my Laptop is nearly 10 years old. I hope framework becomes popular enough, it's capability to become relevant by having its parts upgradable is something I've been looking for! I think I went through several notebooks and laptops and the only reason my current laptop is surviving is cause I learned to fix parts.

Their older laptops uses the most brittle plastic available. Awful to take apart.

Have Dell also joined the built-to-trash trend? We have a Dell Latitude E7270, which is pretty nice, easy to open, and access all vital components, RAM, SSD, battery and more. It was made long after Apple started making their Macs harder to maintain. IMHO they are forcing us to go to Framework for our next computers.

I had an R11. And modification made the Bios go wonky. I finally just pulled out an old HAF case I had, got a new ASUS MB and transferred the guts from the R11. No problem.

I have had quite a few Dell laptops. I have never had any issues replacing components.

No A1534 crap here!

@@rossmanngroup I’d say the only way to improve on this is if they make the cable available as a standalone part on their website so you can replace it as well in case you accidentally damage it.

@@thecomputerguy777 That cable is actually a standalone part and can be replaced by itself, although it is currently soldout on their website.

My only concern as someone who repaired laptops professionally for years is those slide-in ribbon cable ports with the latch on the motherboard are super fragile. The press in ports like the keyboard port is a better port. Apple only uses the snap in ports, making it harder to damage the motherboard.

Lmao, so TRUE!

I think we have the tech and skills to not just make but improve this kind of modular Laptop or phones , its just that they are not gonna make much profit from their customer so most company decline it.

Well said. I remember when Apple went to unibody, saying it was an environmentally good thing to do. Since about 2014 or so all I see them is force redundancy.

​@@reevus2558people are already making handhelds with it which is crazy. Repairable/upgradeable mini pcs and aio pcs are a walk in the park in comparison. They could also license (if it's even needed) the design so they aren't the only ones making compatible hardware.

lenovo thinkpad I have from many years ago had an ultra bay where the blueray player could be swapped for a 2nd graphics card or an aditional solid state drive. It needed 1 screw to hold it in place. That laptop i would say is easier to take apart and repair that the one in this video, If this company carries this design through for the next 10-15 years so the laptop is completely future proof ill be pleasently suprised.

@@russellharris5314 In fairness to framework, this laptop is rather thin, and is pretty competitive to other thin & light laptops. Thinkpads usually are on the thicker side, whereas this design is very macbook-ish.

Yes you have go google it

My MSI Titan can take a lot of upgrades, but he is a chonker.

@@leonro you are correct personally I would prefer a customisable rugged build.😁

I agree with what you are saying. Let's hope the price drops to a reasonable level with more people buying them, and more competition. As long as they remain so expensive, people on a budget can't justify the expense of what really amounts to a gimmick at this point in time, mostly because of the high price. Which is a shame because these things should be well suited to people on a budget, being able to pick and choose what components they want. It's a pity it doesn't work out that way.

multiple companies ahve done this and consumers don't give a shit

@@f_youtubecensorshipf_nazis It's not that we don't give a shit. It's that these products are priced way above our means.

@@f_youtubecensorshipf_nazis yeah, the problem is that multiple companies have tried and yet to get it right. Once one company does though...

​@@f_youtubecensorshipf_nazisyup, there was a Thinkpad that had modular ports in the days where most parts were already modular. The only thing new about this one is having modular ports while being slim. The rest is already possible on many laptops. I will give props the magnetic display mount though, replacing ones with adhesive is not fun.

Agreed and in the same boat. I do not need a laptop rn but always looking for the next one I suppose...

i bought a macbook air and while i love this laptop im going to buy a framework to help support this trend in the tech industry

Agreed. My laptop is a little over a year old and I'm still considering it.

ewww pay 800 bucks for a 250 bucks processor.

@@jorgecortes8448

I never toss electronics. Best Buy stores recycle them, even spent batteries. My old craptop is 15 years old and is unsupported, but I use it every day.

I meant, recycled at city electronics recycling centers. Not discarded in garbage.

*I don't even remember how many laptops I have discarded because of outdated hardware and/or non-supported OS* You sound like a smoothbrain retarded consumer who doesn't actually learn how to use the shit they buy. Typical consuuuuumer.

To anyone throwing off their devices: I'll gladly take them :J Even if they're broken.

Wher do I order.need it asap for all my executives

Have you ever even disassembled laptop unless its apple all modern laptops are the same only difference is the unnecessary and probably expensive swappable ports its stupid

@@MDK808 That's not true. They are not unnecessary and they are priced ok. The whole laptop is not cheap. But it comes with those and you can choose in the checkout process the ones you want.. You can choose which display outputs you want. Or if you like to have more USB ports. Maybe you need Thunderbolt? Or some VGA output? You are free to configure the IO of the laptop to your needs. And if a standard changes in the future or, if there is a new one. Chances are you can just plug in a connector via USB C and be done with it. no changing of the motherboard. Changing stuff in Laptops to upgrade is usually not possible as they just change the size/form of the motherboards. Changing a screen to a higher resolution is most of the time impossible, as the connectors will be different.

They even have some cases you can use to put the old hardware into after your upgrade to avoid it becoming e waste.

@@ueberraschungstuete bwhahaha what a joke

I really enjoyed this concept

It pretty much feels like they're aiming for standardization. They've open-sourced a bunch of stuff, and I think they even said that they're willing to sell components from third-parties on their website.

I hope the Framework catches on in the mainstream.

It will never become a standard. Other companies won't follow a small company's "standard". MAYBE if this came from Microsoft, HP or someone big, just maybe.

@@HDJess well not really. if more ppl flock towards framework, that'll push microsogt to change

Edit: Since found out that having a Linux operating system running windows and Mac applications would pretty much be extremely difficult, with performance hits and such.

@@hx0d how? With compatibility layers? There aren’t any currently functional macOS compatibility layers, and Wine has its problems. I think shipping Windows standard and giving you Linux as an option is a pretty good route. If only they could ship a custom image with less bloatware… Edit: before you tell me about Darling, it can only run Darwin CLI and some very simple GUI binaries. It wouldn’t work.

you can choose not to purchase windows 11 it give you an optio that says bring your own menaing you can use whatever copy of windows I.E windows 10

@@tejasraman6913 Unfortunately they can't. Altering the install to remove bloat would break the licence agreement.

Unfortunately OEMs can only add more bloat, not remove anything that's """core""" to windows

I left my lights on in a difficult moment a couple of years ago and my battery went flat.. A guy parked next to me in a newish car and was more than happy to jump start me.. I had cables.. We couldn't access his battery.. I had to call a friend to make a 40 drive to jump start me.. Unbelievable..

How much for this laptop? Whatever it is, It's worth buying!😅

Mmm. But currently Apple is dominating the industry by doing the exact opposite. Inclear this is the way to go.

@@SebastianApari What do you mean dominating?

@@vsdaveandbambi Agreed. Lenovo is. But I still believe the market does not want this mindset.

Yeah, I really liked that. I used to build custom PCs when I was a kid and so I grew up in a household with 6 frankenstein computers. Now it costs so much money to buy parts it's nearly impossible to have more then 1 usable PC. Anyway, when I saw the old board going into a standalone PC it really brought back memories, but a more modem application would be to make a NAS or a workshop PC.

Have you ever even disassembled laptop unless its apple all modern laptops are the same only difference is the unnecessary and probably expensive swappable ports its stupid

If you think changing a mother board on a laptop is complex, you better just stay away from taking them apart. Even on the most stupid laptops isn't complex, it is simple remove screws, and put shit back in. Minus maybe apple, which i never had or tried to take apart. Even the ones with 10 different kinds of screws arent complex, you cant put the wrong screw back is all, it isnt hard.

I usually find myself in need to upgrade the ram or the ssd, which is already possible with every laptop in the world. I'd also like to upgrade the gpu alone, but that seems impossible for now.

I'm impressed but $849 for the lowest spec option is totally ludicrous.

@@MDK808 Not necessarily, swappable ports increase overall accessibility, making the option to upgrade easier for people with motoric issues and so on.

If he hadn't left out the price I'd say its a near perfect review.

any overheating problems?

@@Pipiopy nope. It's sometimes operating around 100°C which I consider the critical limit, and it mostly happens when dealing with multiple Windows VMware guests, the host OS being Fedora 38. I never experienced any heat-related crashes or shutdowns. This wonderful machine is my main workhorse now and never failed me yet.

@@Pipiopy Thats not a comment its a commercial...

@@Bistooflex fr. Anyone who looks into their laptop buying options knows none of this is new, except the USB modules. He says, "HoPe ThE wOrLd iS mAtUrE eNoUgH", when he's not mature enough to give due diligence when buying a laptop and has to be exposed to it via marketing.

@@DoubleOhSilver Exactly! People are too dumb to give it a real market share. And as every smartphones similar example... no one got interested in it because of the evolution! Into 3 to 5 years i bet that you wont be able to find any USB modules...

Let's just hope 'Profitability' doesn't get in the way!

I think the old competition will be forced to change, or lose out.

honestly if enough of us purchase and invest into this the rest of the market will be forced to change Non upgradable laptops have been normal for way too long

"Upgradeability." For sake of what??? The upgradeability just for sake of keeping your old shabby laptop case & screen & keyboard & track pad forever??? That's real nonsense.

@MSM5500 I will tell you what is nonsense. Buying an entirely new laptop every few years...along with the HUGE markups/profit margins you have to pay for. Just to get marginal upgrades. That is RIDICULOUS. But if you want to do that? If you are dying to waste money? Knock yourself out. Bye, troll. ☮

a 30 year wind up for the perfect punch to their face.

They're showing every laptop maker up. They are not perfect, but most of what some might find fault with is down to the component manufacturers stifling their ability to offer full schematics and this further limits the options they can offer. Everyone who is supportive of open source and right to repair should be supporting them and recommending them to their friends and family as the more success they have the higher the chances of other laptop makers thinking there's an opportunity for them with a upgrade friendly laptop. (I know the laptop is not open source, but it aligns I think with some of the ethos of open source and the ability to use and upgrade as you want should be encouraged).

One big flaw with this laptop in regard to "They really have shown Apple up here.", It doesn't run MacOS. The hardware customization and repair seem to be somewhere between awesome and excellent, but it's still stuck with Windows. While Windows 11 is less bad than any version since 2000, I find the Mac experience better. Of course, I have to pay Apple tax, and I am limited to their choices. Dealing with a terrible company(Apple) that sells great products at excessive markup is not for everyone.

MacOs is a parody for being a pc os. And surely any windows machine can run mac os a lot better than even Apple silicon macs. Lol

​@@frankwalder3608MacOS? Flaw? lol

​@@engineeingnerdhe contradict his own comment, he said running in windows is a flaw. Then in the last sentence he said, limited choice and apple tax when using MacOS. That's the real flaw. What a sheep.

Yep, I'm also just waiting for a FramePhone at this point. Framework's "rolling release" model towards their laptops is a way better approach compared to fairphone's offering of distinct, incompatible generations.

phoneblokz exists. I guess we're just waiting for their patents to expire. But it exist

@@methujeraya I don't think phonebloks are a good concept. They require too much forward compatibility for every component.

with phones software support is a major issue

​@@drinkwoter that and if you don't run an NSA and CIA approved OS you're going to have lots of "compatibility" issues. or worse, just ask nokia, samsung and ntt docomo... 🙄

They have a collaboration with Coolermaster for a custom case for the motherboard to turn it into a compact PC (mountable on the back of a monitor). (edit: hadn't watched the video, he mentions it)

Where did you hear that number? I was under the impression that it was never released. Did Linus say that? That's a larger investment than I thought it was!

@@sys-administrator The macbook air (same size screen as this) have a 52.6wh battery. This one have a 66wh... The one with a bigger battery is the 16" macbook and those should not be compared since it's another laptop category.

@@sys-administrator Good question since their efficiency could be very different..

@@sys-administrator that wouldn't be much of framework fault, since they don't build the cpu, but I don't think it would be slow with a current gen i7 or r7

As a computer tech who shared a shop with someone who worked on phones, this is the biggest thing I hate about Apple products, their price also being a direct reflection of the greed involved. Apple laptops that were ancient, or at least one I remember working on specifically, were designed with a whole sub-frame under the single piece bottom panel that you had to take off to get to the board and to get to the CMOS battery, a normally easy to do repair for a battery that can die around 7 years or so, I had to also remove the entire motherboard and everything that was in the way of it in order to get to the side of the board facing the keyboard.. Macbook Pros I've worked on also have very tiny(and proprietary) ribbon cables that are delicate and expensive to replace, a lot of iPhones I've seen had the home button replaced on no longer supported Face ID because they specifically matched the hardware ID of the button to the phone, and in order to be certified to fix iPhones, the lady I shared a shop with, as a business would have had to agree to only fix Apple products when the majority of her customers were Android users. Old laptops had small sections of the bottom panel that you could remove for easy access to upgradable things like RAM, Wi-Fi cards, and storage. When easily removable batteries were being phased out, it affected hardware troubleshooting for some models because the companies that designed some of the laptops decided that instead of being able to power on the laptop with a defective battery or no battery at all, that the laptops would do nothing whatsoever when you push the power button, just like the symptoms you'd see if the motherboard or charger port was completely fried. Not having a spare known good battery that was compatible(small connectors etc.) meant troubleshooting was done at that moment. Otherwise, just having a compatible charger, universal ones with selectable voltages for example were amazing to have, you used to be able to turn on the older laptops and know that it was the battery that had failed. Plus, replacing the older batteries involved a simple latch to remove the old one without disassembly.. how times have changed..

Like cars before...

Lenovo made it back in the days

I have to disagree. They thought inside the box

@@PaulCotterCanada agreed. My laptop can do all of this already, minus the modular ports which I don't care about because mine already has a variety of ports and I can just use a USC C dongle. If I configure the 13" like my laptop, it's 10% more expensive with less ports. This laptop is very underwhelming. They really missed the opportunity to make an accessible and swappable battery on the exterior, like old laptops.

@@DoubleOhSilverwell you can remove everything from this, even the screen, so some screws are nothing

@@DoubleOhSilver No you're laptop can't do everything that can. Everything is not replaceable and modular inside on most laptops. Like hell, you're going to ignore the part that you can completely upgrade the performance for a fraction of the price of a new laptop. You can get a new mainboard for just about $600. Personally, I don't replace my laptop's battery enough for it to be that much easily accessible, not to mention it sort of ruins the looks of the laptop. I agree that the modular ports are eh plus the price is a bit more than competitors, but I also think that it gives you an immense amount of future-proofing that no other laptop can.

all laptops are replacable screens. but not all places in the world has access to buying parts for cheap.

hi louis! i am not a fan, nor a stan, simply - a viewer.

If you buy something like a gaming laptop, you get pretty much all the same features as this thing offers. People are commenting and being awestruck like they've never opened their own laptop before. They are all modular, companies use the same base/frame for different models. Even the bios that you can download and update is made for like 5+ different models if you check the changelog.

​@@krypton1260I think the point here is that is just so much easier to do all of that in this notebook. And I think that modular usb stuff is really a new thing.

damn 73?! i wanna live to at least 100

Can you share us some wisdom?

@@omicronus7 I'm 77 and want to do the same!! 🙂

Sadly there will be no cult following like in apple's case because consumer cults spring among the imbecilic, and this product is aimed at people with at least basic technical knowledge. I do hope the business model is successful though.

Well as soon as "The right to repair" is enacted in Europe, you might see more of this. But not as thorough as this one.

@@xxMpEGxxare you saying that as more of a hope or is there something in the works for pro right to repair legislations?

@@ysatsce00 there is something in progress in europe, look it up: "Right to Repair"

Also more convenient too

My dell is from 2000 so far I've have to hack up windows 10 n delete the upgrade software because ghetto upgrade interferes with my sound card & it's firmware can't be upgraded yet :(

wth? dell did that? i bought an asus a few years ago for school and i was able to upgrade my ram to 32gb easily, but dell doesnt even allow that?

@@clothokaftan Some current laptops also solder RAM sticks to their mobos, but it's less usual. Lenovo does it with their Ideapad 3 for example. Shitty stuff.

Soldered on RAM and SSD makes me puke. YUK! lol

3:10 😉

If I'm not wrong, he also invested in this company. I think it was a great move. This kind of laptop is also a great asset for corporate hardware, which is one the arms of Linus Media Group.

Did the upgraded CPU make a noticeable difference in speed or battery life?

​@@DirceuCorsettiyes he did to the tune of $225,. He is passionate about their etho and its great to see one of the biggest RU-vidrs in the tech space backing them.

@@bionicgeekgrrl That would be $225,000 :-)