New LDS Communications Director Supports Pride and Pronouns 

Yes, but as I often have to do when conducting these interviews some members are confused by what the question means. I have to explain the meaning of the question. There are others who will answer no, but do in fact support groups whose ideas are contrary to the church.

Imagine, the LDS Church wants nobody to think for themselves!

Not a whole lot of meaning to this question anymore in practice.

#7 may need clarification.

the church corp failed the temple recomment interview

Here is the way they are phrasing it: "the Lord loves you just the way you are." A true statement, "the Lord loves you." But, the "just the way you are" motivates no change in lifestyle. It is so sad. The Church deviated in order to keep confused youth from committing suicide. It didn't work, the suicide rates have only gone up.

@@rolandsmith4394 That's because "Wickedness never was Happiness."

So true, great scriptural example! “Come as you are…. But don’t plan on staying that way.” We need to allow God’s will to work through us, not trying to work our will or agenda through Him- doesn’t work that way. But when you try to explain that they take it as very unloving and offensive. Very explosive/reactive society ready to blow up at the smallest perceived slight.

@@rolandsmith4394do you believe gay people choose to be gay?

"SLAY GIRL!" 😂

All of these groups face stigmatism and need love and support. I think the LGBTQ community has the focus right now because they face very direct discrimination. I've never heard someone say "homeless people shouldn't get married", but nearly every comment on this video is saying that about gay people. My hope is that as the LGBTQ community receives more acceptance, we can spend more conversations on helping the groups you mentioned.

We are full tithe payers and give fast offering every month. We are not materially rich. We rent an apartment. I got hospitalized and had surgery. Hospital gave us a great discount because we are considered poor. We paid the hospital for half of the total price. We asked the bishop's help. He said to my face that the hospital already helped us and we are not qualified for fast offering. I thought it was for the poor and needy. I didnt have a job for two months before my accident. Now another church is helping us because they know our economic situation. But still I know that this is the true Church but some leaders are prone to temptations too

@@Pygochelidonwhy is a religion expected to change its fundamental values and beliefs to accommodate a fringe group? A person who lies may not see a moral problem with it, should a church change its beliefs by saying that lying is now considered acceptable? You could apply the concept with any religious beliefs. A church is accepting of people no matter what their struggles are. But the person should change, not the church.

@@dudesofderndraw9323 Hm, interesting example. I think there are two very important differences between liars and members of the the LGBTQ community. Someone who treats lying as a virtue will cause a lot a harm with their lies. People in the LGBTQ community simply want to have the same rights and acceptance as everyone else. A gay person having the opportunity to marry the love of their life and build a happy, healthy, loving relationship with someone of the same sex does not harm you or your relationships. A gay couple getting to wake up and make breakfast together in the morning does not threaten your ability to have the same romance in your life. Condemning these people for having a loving relationship does not prevent harm. Condemning lying does prevent harm. The second difference is that lying is a choice. Being gay is not a choice. Having gender dysphoria is not a choice. Transitioning because it's the best medical treatment for an individual with gender dysphoria is not really a choice.

Because homeless and veterans suffering are not rich scabby elitists who follow satan and have been fed lies in the democrat public school. Homeless and most veterans and the falsely imprisoned are the true victims and the wicked are ruling at this time Particularly lgbtq marxists .

What a bone chilling analogy

The church should be an army of generals.

I felt that way with the jab.

We know even the elite will be deceived. Not only that but that very fact implies that many of the non-elite/simple followers will be deceived BY the elite who are being deceived. Always found it interesting that church employment requires temple worthiness, yet someone who supports the LGBTQ agenda can answer the question: “Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” and still be approved. I guess it’s really because at the end of the day we each answer with our own understanding & answer the final “do we consider ourselves worthy?” question with our own judgement. It’s not so much on the Bishop/Stake Pres these days. Or if it is, we also have Bishops/Stake Pres that are pro LGBTQ anyway so the corruption has many places to slip through. Hold fast everyone. Lot of folks will be drinking damnation to their souls I feel in the last days. Thinking they can steer the Church like a ship to their own will, but refusing to follow His will. Showing a form of godliness but denying His power. Don’t be like them. Those people are easy to recognize. I personally have never felt a more appropriate time to use some descenting votes in sustainings than now. Talk to your unit leaders when you have concerns about the messages another leader might be promoting within the church. That’s really our only recourse when we see problems like this.

We need more Captain Moroni types

and yet byu today was handing out pronoun and antifamily stickers

All commandments, programs, policies statements, declarations of doctrine etc, are not compulsory. No has to abide by any thing, we can all choose. I choose to live the family proclamation and make decisions based on its truth. Everyone else can choose to reject it in whole or in part. I will smile and offer a friendly wave to those across the river of mud and mists of darkness in the cool looking building pointing and conversing with each other. Yeah the Provo river is looking pretty muddy these days and the building on the other side has some letters on it I can quite make out from this distance.

@@SaxSpy 😩

The Family: A Proclamation to the World says "marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God". This doesn't change if gay marriage is also ordained by God.

@@Pygochelidon but it doesn't say marriage between a man & a man (or a woman & a woman) is ordained of God... that's why they were announcing this in 1995 (an obvious norm at the time) to establish the official standard reflected in God's plan for His children based on the Bible (Genesis/creation story).

I love the visual... I believe you are correct... trying to make them like us when they don't like HIM (or themselves in many cases) is not going to yield desired results... if they love HIM they will love us because we are like HIM...😊❤

I believe the great and spacious building is a representation of many members of the church not simply Babylon or the world as we are often taught in Sunday school. These are people who know the beliefs well enough to elevate themselves (thus the floating building---perhaps lifted up in PRIDE?) Above the others and mock them so it hurts. Do many care what non-believers say about you or your faith more than other members? Probably not.

@@ryanhansen8380 Your comment is very interesting and corresponds to this quote from President Boyd K. Packer: "Largely because of television, instead of looking over into that spacious building, we are, in effect, living inside of it. That is your fate in this generation. You are living in that great and spacious building."

@@ryanhansen8380are you saying the floating building of people represents the PRIDE of the world??

@davidchoate512 I'm not professing to be an expert, but it certainly makes some sense, doesn't it? Except I think it's more (at least one time) believers than simply the world. Here's the scripture : a great and spacious building; and it stood as it were in the air, high above the earth. 27 And it was filled with people, both old and young, both male and female; and their manner of dress was exceedingly fine; and they were in the attitude of mocking and pointing their fingers towards those who had come at and were partaking of the fruit You don't mock or point fingers if you don't elevate yourself above that person first, aka PRIDE. It doesn't take much to see how these "social truths" are used to make those believing in gospel truths to be off base and a reason for mocking.

I think we have to assume the brethren are ok with this, unless the corporate side is separate and able to exercise their own decision making authority, which I highly doubt.

We must not be silent about this. A petition with the evidences of this guys core beliefs does not line up in one iota with the teachings of God’s words. Someone in a corporate role should be deeply vetted. Because what was shared by Greg is Blasphemous and we should not be unequally yoked. We cannot serve 2 masters. Never thought in a million years that the doctrines of satan would be creeping in. I know that God will not allow any general authorities to lead us astray, but it’s still shocking to see someone contradictory to our doctrine be given a position of influence.

I would not assume anything concerning the Brethren!

It's more like saying one thing one year and changing it the next.

​@@daviddavenport6896can we assume they are in charge? Sheesh.

Best comment of the day!!!

​@michellehudson8436 I disagree. Hiring into prominent positions of power and influence is very different from serving, loving and petitioning change.

⁠@@1klakakI’m sorry but we do not need secret combinations in our “prominent positions”. It is not our place to petition the Lord for change. This is the Lord’s church not a democracy. Never has the Lord loved someone so much that he has said “you do not need to obey my commandments”. He loves us which is why he holds us accountable with His doctrine.

@michellehudson8436 I never said we needed or wanted secret combination in leadership. In fact, I said the exact opposite. Also, in a way, it is a democracy, as the law of common consent demands in D&C, that all things are to be done by the common consent of the people. And BTW, common consent also means informed consent.

@@1klakak I don’t understand what there is to disagree about. I can’t think of a single time where Jesus changed his standards based on the people he was around. He said “go, and sin no more” not “love is love, I got next.”

All prophesied

@@ladyjade6446prophesied that the church would go woke? Think it’s prophesied that the world will go woke but the church will stand… this is concerning because it looks like the church is taking a different road…

​@@ladyjade6446 Can you expand on that, please?

@@capybara39419 Well, read Isaiah 28, Isaiah 56, Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34 for starters.

​@@capybara39419 Do not worry. The Church is true and will not be overthrown by the wicked.

Read the Book of Mormon and everything you can about secret combinations and Gadianton robbers. These moves are all very deliberate and you are not likely to see any retraction from the church. Even if there is some sort of a retraction, it will not effect any real or lasting change from the radical direction the church is headed. Read Isaiah and study it in depth. His prophecies are for our day, just as the Book of Mormon is. Sadly, this is really a matter of life and death.

Do you know which leaders interview and approved this hiring?

How far "left" someone appears depends how far "right" you are. This tells us more about you than about church employees. The church bureaucracy is very conservative by any normal metric.

@@captainmoroni1776 correction, Church doctrine is very conservative. It makes sense that many Church leaders and members would be as well.

I believe that ALL bureaucracies become corrupt over time. And since the church puts such an emphasis on college education it stands to reason that hiring graduates of the indoctrination centers will increase the leftness of the employees. (I wish the church would put more emphasis on learning the trades, and self-education, but that's just my opinion.)

I hope I can help with that. In the OT the prophet Eli let his bad kids lead at the temple wickedly. Samuel the prophet let his kids stay in the judgement seat though they were corrupt. So the people of Israel got sick of it and demanded that Samuel give them a king. God was so angry. So was Samuel because the people 1) didn’t go to God 2) conspired with each other for their solution 3) wanted a solution that wasn’t Jesus (aka a king is the antithesis of liberty, Jesus = liberty). The scriptures show how to respond when leaders can and do err. D&C 1 even says that they will err, and many other places. There’s so many scriptures about what to do. There are collectivists and globalists in the church. It’s a political movement anchored in the belief that the individual must be forced to sacrifice himself for the whole and the whole is a worldview that humans are damaging to the planet and it is fine to use all the tools of communism to achieve the ends of an idyllic Zion… of fewer than 8 billion people. Hang in there. Follow the HG. Seek earnestly the best gifts as in D&C 46:7,8. Measure everything by love, the scriptures and confirmation of the HG.

The only thing we need from the Church is a place to receive sacred ordinances. Teach your children from the scriptures, paper scriptures. Attend the temple with them and teach them the richer meaning embodied in the old ceremonies. The restored church is exactly what Jesus said we needed. Ignore the alphabet rainbow people, even when they "speak from on high."

Sadly, we know who brings confusion and chaos!

The church has had conflicting teaching since its inception and has changed nearly all of its doctrines.

@@troycline92 I totally disagree. The Church had remarkably unique, consistent and profound teachings for a hundred years. Change has always been the product of oppression from Babylon. The Manifesto was remarkably that. More recently, though ... I see your point.

Doctrine cannot change. Policies does, but not doctrine.

"We don't need "people of diverse ideologies"." Agreed! I'm late to this discussion, but we create Zion and unity by adhering to Christ's teachings, not promoting our own!

all the people doesn't support this

I agree. This goes against everything I believe. Please read my comment and help me.

@@violetangelflame1 What help do you need?

One suggestion is that actions speak louder than words, this is a great opportunity to draw closer to our families, pray daily for each one with real intent, and teach the true gospel and proclamation on the family in our homes with our testimony of how our family fits into the Lord’s plan. I’ve been thinking of having a google meet every Sunday with my married kids for a few minutes of family gospel sharing. This is a real incentive to take stronger action to teach what I should be doing already!

No worries, he's probably too busy to help you raise your children. He's out there doing good things

This!!! I do not know how either! 😩😒

You are so naive.... you don't know how many Church Managers Employees, and I'm talking from experience, are NOT worthy to hold a temple recommend because of what they make their subordinates endure

He's an employee. He is not sustained in a sacrament meeting.

But who was the person with the calling that approved the hiring?? That is the person that I would have a hard time sustaining.

He's being hypothetical to make a point​@@christinegreenall9054

​@@christinegreenall9054yeah, common consent only applies to people who don't draw a salary from tithes. We've come a long way from 1830.

@@christinegreenall9054 He was interviewed by the 15. He's got a huge voice and change will come for the support of the left.

Yes, this!

​@@cindlou7335that's pretty plain if ya ask me!!!!!

Unfortunately, I doubt he will ever be asked.

Just exactly how Wilford Woodruff Handled the polygamy Issue In 1890. A new manifesto.

​@@tashareeve3523?

It was a video by Eric Moutsos. I believe it was on one of his instagram pages.

Salt Lake has fallen. If you don't believe me take a stroll down say, Third West or up Fifth South. Maybe drive through the Avenues. Whatever they are doing isn't working. The Church needs to start over. I mean, Mitt Romney is a big influencer. Look what his dad did to Detroit. I spent some time in Boston a few decades ago. *_By their works_*

Yes, the “sweet words” that are used to manipulate- if you don’t do this, you aren’t loving like Jesus would. I’m not falling for it. Unsubscribe.

Amen. The truth shall set you free. The opposite is true as well. We imprison ourselves when we buy into lies. Live free Mrs Joe!

"Were it possible, even the very elect shall be decieved" people always leave out the were it possible part. Some? Yes... but this doesn't mean that all the elect will be deceived.

@@cindlou7335 read the JST Matt 24. It is much more clear.

@@cindlou7335 I wasn't implying it would be everyone.

@@joeswife but it's also not going to be our church leadership

Hold fast. We have each other. Never give in, never give up, obey your covenants. The Church is not the same as the Kingdom. Protect your family.

​@@rolandsmith4394 Can you expound? LDS.org states that the Church is the Kingdom of God on Earth.

The thing is... this doesn't jive with what the Brethren speak about. At all. Is it possible there was a misunderstanding? More to the story??

@emsk1963 I agree.

@@EKowallis I hope you are right. No matter, though. I can discern right from wrong without any help from any man. I worry about my children, though. They seem to put more value in Church HQ, than they do believers.

Yup❤! Me too!

Can you please explain what you mean by "fool even the very elect" specifically as it pertains to this situation? Thanks.

@@capybara39419 Sure. Let me start by staying I didn't mean to imply Jesus was blind. He clearly understood what Judas would do and why it needed to play out as it did. Jesus said that even the very elect would be fooled in the last days. Many of the elect are putting politics above the gospel. I struggle with that at times because there is a strong tie there. I can see why so many people in the Lord's day felt that for Israel to fulfill her spiritual destiny, the Romans had to be driven out. Thus they chose Barrabas over Jesus as he was trying to drive out the Romans. Christ was establishing His spiritual kingdom. It wasn't time for Him to ride to battle in the last days to claim His Bride from the false Bridegroom Satan. Many of the elect understand the tie between religion and politics but don't understand that the Lord is allowing the wheat and tares to grow together before He harvests them. Tares don't come to a head to reveal themselves until just before harvest. Out- of- line Church members (even some struggling leaders to test us) may still repent and in the end become wheat. If we judge and fight the political battles now to drive out what we believe to be tares, then Jesus won't fight our battles for us. He knows the tests must be faced; He knows exactly when 'Rome, Babylon etc.' must be defeated. He knows the dangers the enemy poses and what great care we must take. Our test is to follow the prophet as His mouthpiece for what is necessary for us to know. The division in order to have a purified Zion/Bride, is happening as it did in the days of Moses. Only this unified body of the elect (sanctified) can work with the Bridegroom Christ to open the windows of heaven so He can make His arm bare in the eyes of the nations...WHEN the time is right, to fight our battles. Father will have a tried people whose faith has become sure.

@@joybischoff9558 No, this is a misquote of that scripture. And it has been perpetuated for far too long. The scripture says IF it were possible, the very elect would be deceived. If we are following the scriptures and the spirit, and praying for guidance, we will not be deceived. That's what it means to be elect.

@@maureenschofield4784 Study the whole subject. Not every member will be saved. From FAIR: "It is significant that we ask: Who are those members who could potentially fall away because of hostile “intellectual” arguments? The answer is: all of us. We are told that in the last days “the very elect” (Matt. 24:24)-even the “elect according to the covenant” (JST Matt. 1:24)-could be deceived by “false Christs” and “false prophets.”

​@@maureenschofield4784Elder Holland says otherwise.

Did He call them to leadership or other prominent positions of power and influence? False equivalence.

Agreed. The Lord ministered to the sinners, and preached repentance. He expected changed. He Himself did not change to be more like them, rather encouraged them to be more like Him.

​@@1klakakChrist called Judas

@safrew1 and Judas was virtuous? Or was fulfilling a purpose?

Yep: I don’t trust people with “woke” views, either

That's the exact scripture that came to my mind. The LGBT and The Family Proclamation are not congruent or in harmony with each other. They simply can not "coexist" as accepted "doctrines" or lifestyles.

DING DING DING!!! Thanks for posting this!!

ONe of the last prophets who truly spoke prophetically

I would disagree. I've heard each of those after President Benson speak very prophetically about coming events, or declaring fulfillment of a prophecy, which takes a prophet, speaking prophetically to do@@benzun9600

Was this a conference address or something else. I'm having trouble finding it.

@@ileneperry6609 Jesus Christ, Gifts and Expectations, BYU speech, Dec 10, 1974

I didn't get the jab and I'm proud of it. Applying for a mission and won't go to a place requiring mRNA. My excuse for the prophet was maybe they had bigger fish .fry (like the gay issue). This is frustrating.

@@kerrysiggard9285 nice! I didn’t get it either and neither did my husband or 4 kids. One son was on his mission during Covid and came home when they sent the missionaries home, and then went back out. My other son is out now. Prayers to you on your mission! That’s exciting!

I didn't get the jab either. Unfortunately my husband and children all did.

Very well said. Maybe one of the reasons pres nelson has been pushing us to receive personal revelation in order to survive spiritually was for situations similar to this. But I agree with many of the comments , this is a very confusing message being sent to the saints.

@@jasonmears4393 yes and that’s why he told us it was imperative. I think he knew all of this was coming and would try and test us.

The first presidency let the wolves in this case! Why?

People who recognize the humanity of gay people are wolves?

Hopefully members will remember that it is holding to the Iron rod (scriptures/gospel of Jesus Christ) which get us to the tree of life not following a prophet. The scriptures make it very clear that we should follow Christ and not put our trust in the arm of flesh. All is not well in Zion and those who choose to set the word of God aside to follow an organization or man will be as the elect in the last days who are deceived.

​@@nostoppingit7243 We need to start getting the difference between the gospel of Jesus Christ which is following the Spirit and the Church, which is only a housing unit.

Can you name one thing that a church communications director has put out on official church note that has reflected any personal belief? The prophet is the voice of the Church to the world. Not some PR guy.

I support the voice that hired him, President Nelson!

@nostoppingit7243 Without a prophet, we do not have a church, law order, etc. We have confusion. That was the point of restoration. The scriptures also make that plain. We see that cycling of those who do not want to weather the storms to follow Christ through his prophets - it's the opening lines of the Book of Mormon.

To love them is to convert them from their abominable ways.

@@napaljarrinappaljarri5175 We invite all to come unto Christ, meaning to repent and partake of the plan of salvation. Who do you think does the Holy Ghost inspire to bring them unto Savior?

@@napaljarrinappaljarri5175 Indeed...Nobody can without the help of the Holy Ghost.

Go to the temple as much as you are able, have this conversation with the Lord and listen for His answer. ❤❤❤. This world is hard to live in.

We must always remember that our faith is in Christ and not in man. COVID threw me through a loop with Church leadership, but Heavenly Father comforted my soul and helped remind me that my testimony is in the atonement and restored gospel of Jesus Christ, which includes the reorganization of his Church. It is still his no matter who leads it. The Lord leads his church in ministrative things and leaves the administrative up to his fallible children. I pray that the Holy Spirit will bring you peace and clarity.

If you're experiencing these kinds of doubts - ALWAYS go right back to the basics. 1. Is Jesus the Christ? 2. Does my Heavenly Father love me? 3. Is Joseph Smith the Lord's Prophet? 4. Is the Book of Mormon true? 5. Is this the Lord's restored Church in the latter-days? Then, consider how "going independent" would allow you to renew your covenants made with God. If going independent means you preclude yourself from the sacrament, from temple attendance, from the ordinances of the gospel, is going independent "right"? I would say no, but this is a question with which you have to come to terms. Just remember this - if I asked God "if I should pay my tithes", He's already given that commandment, and I can rest assured that the ONLY party who will respond is Satan, with a "no".

@@kz6fittycent Independant's have Temple. So to the question, would it preclude ordinances, then the answer is no it wouldn't. They even do second anointings. They claim to have more than the current church has. Before responding, you should know what others are offering. I know what most denominations of Protestant, catholic, and restoration churches offer. So my conversion was of the spirit and highly informed. There is a reason I chose the LDS church. But that doesn't change that so much has changed in the last few years. Including temple ordinances.

@@kz6fittycent And going back to the basics is why I'm having a hard time with the church. As an organization, they aren't.

It's coming. It may be said in a different way, but believe me it's coming. Maybe

I appreciate it.

Might be better to say the gospel is true the church corp is corrupted@@rickyde0255

Thank you, well said.

Then why did Nelson hire the guy?

Why Quote President Nelson. He has abandoned us!

First off, WHO is appointing and hiring these people? I joined the church in 1975 because the doctrines were clear and Biblical. The Restoration lessons I was taught were firm in principles. Now all this waffling from the top down? I am not confused about doctrine, nor the Proclamation on The Family. Why these twists and why is it filtering into The Church of Jesus Christ? Is the cultural foundation of The Church shifting and crumbling as a test so we stand steadfast and immovable when The Family is questioned and surgical mutilation of children AND adults is promoted from outside yammering. Sounds like the wicked in Sodom and Gomorrah who wanted to cavort with the angels… “Communication Director”? Seems the gap is widening more and more quickly between pure doctrine of Christ and the culture of the church including a soft cuddly Jesus Christ. (So many fail to see Him as a warrior on a white horse.) I know what I and my husband and our elderly friends will hold onto and that is THE FAMILY as the basic institution God set up with our first parents. How will our youth have a Straight iron rod with this so quickly distorting everything so basic in the scriptures? Or are we ignoring Romans 1 and especially the last verse which clearly condemns those who support these sins- let’s call it what it is. Why worry about public image? Certainly Jesus did not!

Do our tithes pay for this?

​@@marensvien4652good question. Clearly tithing money was used to commission the rainbow tree of life.

@@marensvien4652 Yes, your tithing money has been used. Today I was learning about the $120,000,000,000 Ensign Peak fund held by the church. This plus massive amount of land and buildings globally make this one of the largest welath holders on earth. None of this feels like what Jesus taught us to live like.

Exactly. So many thought that if this community was just allowed to have their same gender marriage and legal rights as a couple, they would be happy and live their lives quietly and productively in society. Actually, some do but the agenda of this very political movement is evil and will never be satisfied. Thus the school gender curriculum, drag queen story hour, parades in front of children, chemically and surgically mutilating children, attacking church standards, etc. It will never be enough.

Excellent clear thinking!

Yes great thoughts! Your point about embracing the individual vs the ideology has great bearing on our success in “outreach” to the LGBTQ community. I agree with Greg and church leadership we need to reach out with a positive message of love, but with our core doctrines intact and done out of invitation to come enjoy the fruits of the gospel. Instead, the church in recent years seems to message “love and acceptance” only with little nuance outside of the occasional conference talk or youth fireside. And how will this outreach be perceived by many sucked into an ideology that teaches them that unless the entire LGBTQ l lifestyle is embraced and reflected within the church (gay marriage, affirming gender, etc), then anything less is hateful and dehumanizing. Homosexuality and family units built on same sex marriages, same sex romantic expression and trans activism in all forms of entertainment, etc, are all being normalized by society and culture. Drag queen shows used to be something reserved to certain venues and with adults only. Now there’s frequent drag entertainment marketed to kids and families on a regular basis in Provo and about anywhere in America. Aaron Sherinian and those with his worldview never distinguish between loving the individual and embracing the lifestyle, as well as embracing every form of sexual promiscuity that continues to increase in our culture as a result of the LGBTQ activist movement. So based on recent messaging in the church and this new hire, I’m not sure what type of “outreach” the church is going for. If it’s Aaron’s worldview, it’s full acceptance of it all, including children transition. But I don’t see any drastic change in approach unless we completely change our doctrines. If we don’t change doctrine and policy, our efforts will be perceived for naught. Perhaps it doesn’t matter how it’s perceived. Either way, there seems to be little consideration about how these decisions will be perceived by church members actively trying to uphold gospel doctrine

@@fisherdave9192 , and you nailed it. It is a slow creep. Give many a proponent for LGBTQ an inch, they will take a mile. It is never “enough”.

@@Victoriaflady exactly. However, I would say it seems it has gone from a slow creep into an all out mad dash sprint toward evil!

And has been doing so for a long time..

This is the question I have.

Grag, this would be an awesome topic to cover!!

I know someone that was in the hiring pool for this position. It is a series of interviews with various general authorities and the last interview is with with First Presidency.

Then, we are all in trouble. 😔​@@bradman1984

HR either didn't do due diligence with social media combing or did and hid it from Brethren. Only explanation. Ain't no way Pres Oaks is signing off on that with full knowledge that we now have.

So you did forward this on? Please keep us in the loop.

@@caguas97 that’s fine, I guess. What’s your read of how this is playing at corporate? Is the culture there one that supports this?

No wonder the younger members of the church are so confused.. The leaders say one thing at General conference yet what's done outside of the headquarters is totally opposite.

​@@Cindybin46user-nu4hg2dx6u you will soon find that Twitter (x) is the last "open" town Square. Since Musk took over it has become quite a refreshing source of information. Yeah, it's not scriptures and prayer, but much better than a lot of other media sources out there.

@@caguas97 I would disagree. There’s a reason President Oaks was asked questions from youth confused on this issue in a recent fireside discussion. She remarked how we hear limited direction in conference, but little if not contradicting messaging outside of conference and that her local ward and stake leaders and peers were just going along with much of the woke agenda. Luckily, President Oaks answered with clear and specific doctrine to her questions. Yes you can dive into the handbook and get some guidance, but the real-world straightforward discussion that amplifies truth in regards to this discussion seems to be a quiet voice from church leaders. The culture and secular/worldly influences responsible for infliltrating society and the church with these things is rarely if ever addressed. And youth of today are particularly tapped into that culture and the subtle deceptions that come with it. Understanding where exactly the lies are takes specificity we’re not seeing very much from church leadership, but rather from individuals like Greg helping people become aware. Just in my local ward and others, kids are siding with the worldly view on this. 6 girls decided they were trans recently in my friends ward in Sandy. I think there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that the current younger generation is both more confused and more affected than any prior generation when it comes to understanding/juxtaposing the doctrine of gender and the family with LGBTQ issues. As to the brethren in conference vs outside, I do agree that they’ve been pretty consistent on. It’s the BYU stuff, Deseret book, recent hires in prominent church related positions, etc. that although aren’t in and of themselves pillars of doctrine, or directly associated with the brethren’s decisions, but close enough to where contradicting worldviews in those institutions and individuals should be something the brethren consider. And if they do heavily consider and are involved in such decisions, why the compete lack of explanation given from church leadership?

Left C of E because of apostasy and unfortunately, I see the writing on the wal.

Policy might change, practices might differ, but Foundational Doctrine isn't changing. That's eternal. However, I doubt the city of Enoch went through something like this.

One group is being used and then fooled with this move . I 100 percent agree that EVERYONE regardless of choices ..We ALL make bad choices ..is welcome at Church . That said “everyone “ is NOT allowed to be married, hold most callings or enter the Temple . To try and “recruit “ which is apparently the agenda one group or the other needs to understand the doctrine … either homosexuality is allowed or it is NOT . Why trick people into believing it will “soon “ be accepted if that is not the case ? Which group is being lied to the gay community or those who live the proclamation to the family ?

They lost me already. And stories like these confirm I made the right decision.

@@Cindybin46user-nu4hg2dx6u I did on my mission.

Hard to resist the minority demand, when the elite leaders of society embrace and push them...

I witnessed about evil in the midst. The stake president drug me from the pulpit and my wife filed for divorce. The best thing to do is to move out of those wards before they destroy your family.

Yes, you're right! The mockery of God's Covenant sign [the rainbow] and promoting "Pride" tells us where this all is coming from! What's next ...... will they change Heavenly Father's pronoun from HE to .....? This is how all of the institutions are corrupted, and it doesn't stop there!

In 2000 the church fought all the way to the supreme court for the BSA's right to hold to their standards that would exclude openly gay leaders. In 2008 the church encouraged members to fight to protect marriage. In 2013 the majority of members of the church were against SSM. In 2014 the church caved and remained with the BSA who had discarded the standards they fought for just 14 years before. The church encouraged the members to remain in the BSA. It is not surprising at all to see the correlation with members views changing after that. I know for a fact that the 2020 BYU honor code change wasn't a miscommunication as they later stated and that the change came from the brethren. They clearly thought there was enough support but when they received the backlash they back peddled and have been working to increase support ever since. Everything happening is by design, the temperature in the pot is slowing rising and most will accept it.

The problem is that even the leadership is becoming spineless, they always bend to worldly ways, instead of upholding the truth of the Gospel.

Very well said

But what if that "doctrine" becomes "policy", and is then watered down to mean basically nothing at all? What if it is one day releagted to the Priesthood Ban status? No LDS scripture I'm aware of actually mentions this. It's Biblical, but will that be enough? Not if they are driven by other concerns. "Whoever wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God" - James 4:8

The ban on priesthood was lifted after the social movements of the time. No scripture or revelation was needed. They just said "we never really believed that old thing anyway" and it was done. Could they do the same thing today? Yes

Quite literally the prophet did.

😢​@@ClintThomsen

@@ClintThomsen I refer to him as President. I doubt he is a Prophet.

There are those in the hierarchy that have bought into the woke culture and worldly philosophies of men. Sad. The scriptures warn of this time. I pray that Christ comes soon. 🙏

@@dl1130 I don't buy it. I listen to them speak all the time, and none lean in that direction.

@cindlou7335 it's what they support in private. Watch, study and learn.

​@dl1130 give me your sources then. Don't just tell me to learn.

@@cindlou7335 "Don't be a lazy learner"

"They heap into themselves teachers, having itching ears."

Maybe president Nelson should clarify this matter for all of us, and don’t leave us in suspense!

You think the president of the corporation wouldn’t know about this and sign off on it? That’s silly. Of course RMN signed off on this guy.

What are you saying exactly? I don't understand what you expect from the First Presidency?

who are the minority calling the shots? Isn't that the first presidency?

The brethren apparently love this.

​@@katrina1829it says something that they put this guy in charge. 😬

I agree, this was a very personal kick in the gut for those of us who followed the direct request from President Monson and fought Prop 8.

Not if you understand that the Church isn’t going to stand by it for long. I’m going to give you a glimpse of something that Covid should have taught us… The church makes moves to ensure that the Temples stay open…PERIOD! The ONLY reason you have to take a name to the temple is for THEM to start their journey. Once inside, it’s OUR job to sit and learn in Gods University. Once you understand how destructive it would be to close the temples, you’ll see the situation differently. But make no mistake, this path is deadly to those who embrace it. The Temple is NOT a church building and we are ALL treating it WAY too casually!

@@matthewglosenger3180 What are you talking about the Temples were closed for months during the Covid lockdowns.

And the people listening to Conference are probably older and in general, not on social media. There are two messages. They're contradictory. It's on purpose.

It wasn't 'for nothing.' please don't despair. Millions of faithful LDS see you as the 'tip of the spear.' God bless you for your faith. Keep your family strong! The nonsense going down at 60 E South Temple has nothing to do with the Kingdom of God! The wolves have a hold of my wife if 40 years. They are ripping at my children. But we can never give up, we can never give in. 🙏🙏🙏🙏

Good word, brother. Whatever your church, when the Word of God is twisted, compromised, or changed to suit an agenda that is not scriptural, as Greg said, it is the time to hold on tight to the rod! ❤ I will pray for you to be given strength! 🙏

It's never for nothing! Angels are recording all things in the book of life, don't forget! God bless you!

It was heartbreaking to read your post. It is difficult enough for those of us who haven't done what you did. But your efforts weren't for nothing you stood on the Lord's side and will be blessed for doing so. Clearly you are a person of strength and courage and if you can stand up to the world, you can stand up for what is right even if the church goes into apostasy.

The Catholic Church is going through something similar, or perhaps even more dramatic with Pope Francis, with him stating that (Catholic) Bishops "may" bless same sex relationships, but still maintaining that marriage is between a man and a woman. This has really roiled the Catholic Church here and in Africa. One Bishop was removed because of open and harsh criticism of the Pope.

Beautifully said. I feel exactly the same way.

It's because they are totalitarian collectivists

This has been my experience as well. Not at first but it's growing stronger.

It’s a one-way tolerance. They want to be accepted, loved and want tolerance but not willing to give it back. I don’t like feeling like I’m automatically labeled as a homo-phobe or whatever simply because I don’t agree with the ideology. It seems to be very hard for them to accept that we can treat them with love, kindness and respect AND not accept their ideologies, views and practices. Just like I don’t expect them to believe the way I do or my practices but I do expect mutual respect and kindness. It’s very hard to see a lot of people I know in the church that subscribe to this Woke agenda/ideaology , makes me feel pretty alone! It’s getting harder and harder to find a movie to watch in a gathering because me and my kids are the only ones not comfortable with watching things with lgbtq stuff. It’s everywhere and it’s exhausting. My kids are so sick of hearing about it but if I don’t teach them, the world will. I’m not really sure what to make of this new guy in charge and also need some time to pray and process. I love the example of Nephi when they were faced with a hard thing, he went straight to the Lord to inquire of Him and his heart was softened and he received guidance/answers. I am confident God will do the same for us in this time of great confusion and genuine concern.

I support The Proclamation on the Family and proud of it...

Did they ask about your political leanings?

Thanks for stepping forward. Maybe transparency is possible at your level.

​@@CMZIEBARTHNo

While many may desire the church to lean far right politically, it's not in their best interest to align with any specific political party, especially in the global context. Asking about one's political views in an interview is likely unethical. The church aims to be right of center, as desired by leaders like Hinckley, maintaining this stance since the days of Benson and the John Birch society. The confusion about this hire may stem from recent controversies, particularly the church's struggles in building bridges with the LGBTQ community, resulting in a negative public perception.

In scriptural language, "For every man receiveth wages of him whom he listeth to obey" Alma 3:27

The church isn't going work... it's people.

A great point - we don't see any bold "Thus Saith the Lord" -we see direction implemented as "revelatory" only to be changed a few years later. I fear there is such a pre-occupation with generating a perception that the church is growing -that the leadership focus continues to be on trying to figure out ways to attract more members vs boldly declaring the gospel and revealing true (even if difficult) doctrine

I agree. I've been getting the feeling that the bold testimony of truth will be up to the individual saints to share while we can.

It isn't that they are silent. It is that they are actively supporting causes contrary to revealed doctrine. Without explanation.

The difference is the one third who followed Satan never took a physical body on earth. These live people on earth are among the two thirds who agreed to follow the plan offered by Jesus Christ. That's what scares me. Members of the church know better than to accommodate worldly practices.

Another one third lost. Concluding 24 elders and 144,000.

Good point.@@user-og2wt3le4j

Jesus said that even the very elect might be deceived.

But its the apostles that ok all of this. (Oaks etc) the buck stops with them

@@awesomesurfer6358 Oaks is solid. I hope God gives him a chance to right the ship.

@@rolandsmith4394 true, that is why you have to be well versed with what the brethren have said and the words of the scriptures.

@@awesomesurfer6358 true, but what did they say during the last conference? Both Nelson and Oaks, gave very direct talks on the issue of LGBT brothers and sisters.

I like the metaphor.

To be a fulltime employee of the church, he would have to have a temple recommend. Are you saying he is not worthy and those leaders that interviewed him are also not worthy??? That's a big leap from his posting a photo of being at a pride parade 8 years ago and having he/him pronouns on his profile. This hearsay and personal attacks on this guy are getting pretty out of control.

@@christinegreenall9054 Don’t put words in my mouth- re-read the question If you understand the question, then the answer is yes- according to his own statements His worthiness is up to him, his bishop and God- not me, or anyone else Stop twisting things - has he come out and refuted his support for these radical agendas? Doesn’t look like it- maybe he has If so, send me a link- I’m happy to admit I’m wrong on his support of “the agenda” I’m stating facts, you are spinning

"I disagree that we need to reach out." Concur. Sheep know their shepherd's voice. It is important for the shepherd's voice to be heard; but not altered.

@@thomasmaughan4798 Thanks Yes I agree. It is for us to come to God and obey all the commandments, then to be a light. If we are a light the ones who want to come to God will come into our sphere and we can help them. We do not need to bend or compromise to gain fruit. God never compromises and is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever.

Nailed it.

Any way the wind blows with this religion.

@@Themanyfacesofegoappears to be so!

If you believe the Prophet is the mouthpiece of the Lord, then the buck stops with the Lord. If you don't believe the Lord would allow this then....

@@darin6958 He is only the mouthpiece of the Lord when moved upon by the spirit. One must read the whole quote, not part of it. It was never absolute with no exceptions since our leaders aren't perfect.

Most members aren't bothered by the church working with the NAACP, or the UN, or by members who vote differently from them, or any of the other things you mention here.

@@7dixiebug and who determines when a Prophet is moved upon by the spirit? If you don't agree with something you can always say he wasn't speaking as a Prophet. In a way that can make a Prophet infallible.

@@darin6958 the Holy Ghost of course. We all have the right to personal revelation. I’ve been taught that since I was a child. Everyone is in the church aren’t they?

I respect them too much.

@@CwicShow You should respect God more than man and your allegiance should be to Him and His gospel, not a man. Had you lived back then would you have tried to excuse away Eli's actions, or Jonah's or Balaam's simply because they were the prophet at the time?

@@nostoppingit7243 Thanks for telling me what I "would" do. Maybe you can prophesy about my future as well?

@@CwicShow I didn't tell you what you would do. Perhaps you missed the question mark and the "would you have" part of my post.

My favorite tithing testimony that I've ever heard was: Even if the church shoveled all the tithing money into a spaceship and sent it into space, I would still pay my tithing- because it's a commandment. ❤👍

@@teresabenedict3617To each their own. I follow “what ye have done unto one of the least of these, ye have done it unto them.”

That is between you and the lord, not those collecting it.

Agreed... it's actually a law of the universe even gamblers use it... you gotta give to get and He's promised us blessings that never fail... remember you give it to God. The church manages the funds but once it leaves your hands you have no control of it 🤷🏻‍♀️

I continue to pay knowing I do it in faith. Once it’s out of my hands, amen to those now responsible for the Lord’s funds. It’s on them!

probably one of the Twelve.

Worse than the mall in SLC?.....hmmmmm......

Exactly, I feel stabbed to the heart, too.

Rough Water's for sure! ❤ It's a good thing though that we are watching and seeing things. That means that the Spirit is warning us. Now what we do with that is as vital as what this brother does with his new job. Remember Jesus chose Judas Joseph chose William Law It goes on and on. God says his ways are not our ways. Nothing is black and white Nephi/Laban- tho shat not kill. This is a test for sure. Stay strong in Christ! I personally still feel the Spirit and here the Doctrine when the 15 speak. Christ is at the helm. This may be another time of render unto Cesar... We are equal to our times IF we follow the Holy Ghost. In the coming day it will not be possible to survive Spirituality.... HOLD FAST

Well said. As a family this week while reading Come Follow Me we decided we need to change our prayers from "please bless us to do good in school, to have success in our test today protection as we drive etc We recognized we need to pray for eyes to see the enemy, and how to fortify ourselves against the enemy and ears to hear the Spirit of the Lord and strength to see Christ and what he has done for us. It felt powerfully right!

Show me your evidence that Satan is real.

@@terrillmel well to begin with, the scriptures identify him fairly well. Now you say, prove that the scriptures are telling the truth. I say faith and 67 years of watching have convinced me of that fact. Choose for yourself.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Do you sustain the trans movement? Anthropogenic climate change? The UN? Because now the first presidency officially does.

I think they've made yet another change in this ongoing, goal-post moving restoration. First it was the wine to water, now, apparently, water to Kool-Aid.

Exactly my thoughts. Corporations often crumble but the pure doctrines of Jesus Christ are eternal. THAT Is what we need to focus on. I think this is a form of internal sifting. Remember how the jab and masking caused huge rifts. (We were ostracized for not going along- because our son is seriously ill with Crohn’s from a parasite he picked up on his mission- and our docs said no shots for our household- members thought we were not following the prophet etc) And I think that was a simple test. We MUST be able to be very familiar and comfortable with the direction of the Spirit and hold steadfastly to that rod!🤗

I don't believe Jesus is guiding any church that is deliberately interviewing men like this and hiring them, not merely to work occasionaly in communications, but to actively be the leader of the whole department. Wouldn't Jesus have said the family is more imprtant? It's like appointing a Judas, except after he was alreay practicing/encouraging sin. It's really not what Jesus would do

The Brethren are in charge of the Church Corporate side. Nelson is President and CEO of the Corporation and a "Prophet" of the Church.

​@@darin6958Agreed. I don't think one can separate the two.

Didn’t Harold B. Lee intend to make changes in regards to the church being a corporation before he passed away… some say there are those who say he was murdered for this 🤔asking for a friend

@@jonesy2111 I've never heard that conspiracy theory. I'm intrigued.

It is definitely a test. Those who delve deeply into the scriptures (particularly Isaiah and the Book of Mormon) will discover that the answers are there. God has not left us without a guidebook. The scriptures are full of prophesies of the last days, and what is happening to the church right now is part of it. This is a big part of what the parable of the ten virgins is about. Only those who “have received the truth, and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide, and have not been deceived” (D&C 45:57) will make it to the wedding. To receive the truth, you must search the scriptures like your life depends on it, as well as pray and take the Holy Spirit as your guide. The scriptures say that the Lord's judgment will begin at His house. The Lord takes the covenants we make with Him seriously, and when we fail to keep our covenants, we bring curses upon ourselves. We tend to talk about all the blessings that come with covenant keeping, but we ignore the fact that throughout the scriptures, those who reject their covenants are cursed.

It was Heber C. Kimball. The jab was just a test run.

Exactly!

Supporting planned parenthood?

How and when have they been telling us this?

@@cindlou7335 Actions speak louder than words.

@@TPIR_Fan_1972 still waiting for examples.

@@cindlou7335 You're free to believe whatever you want and you're free to have church "leaders" lead you right over a cliff. I won't get in your way.

Protect your wife. Protect your children. Keep your covenants. Hold fast to the truth. Your bishop and Stake President have a gag order. It appears that the only people authorized to speak are the corporate communications professionals.