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Ok so in a nutshell : only captures (no modeling on the nano), ships with 25 captures, can store up to 256 neural captures, fixed signal chain with 7 virtual device slots, IR loader with 300 IRs (+ability to store additional 256), adaptive gate & transpose as pre- effects, chorus/analog delay/mind hall reverb as post- effects, boost switch to take captures sound up by up to 26dB, about 500£ price
Wooow finally version for people who can't afford quad cortex. What a great thing they've added capture option. Now I can capture all the amps that I don't have...
Modeling is DSP processing intensive. They’re watching profit margins. Not saying it’s right. Just explaining why they made this choice. Business decisions are made by business people.
@@zipporaid Cortex Cloud has more than enough of the captures of boutique equipment. NQ can be a portable way to bring your home tone to the stage or travel for somebody who has hardware at home and a perfect gig rig for somebody who gets what they need from the free cloud.
Literally. Simple modelers turn out to be the best thing. I’ve got a hx stomp none of these new units seem to be able to replace or improve upon. Makes me wonder…
@@mattpearce79 well it's sort of a Positive Grid interface style of interface (alot of them have the same style like Fender), and Tone X pedal. I just don't see the point in this.
I think the ease of captures would push a lot of people into the qc nano camp vs tonex just due to the complexity of getting usable captures. Sure there’s a price difference but this is more aimed at people that use like the boss IR pedals or even the pod express. Price is higher but I think QC’s capture quality/usability without a pc warrants the price.
I am forever impressed with guitarists who can take the time to sit and tweak, and capture, and learn all of the ins-&-outs of a unit like this while still having any remaining attention span or creative inspiration to play guitar by the end of it. 😅
Makes no sense to make a portable device which main feature is capture. Capturing a great amp is not like capturing Pokemons. I think a reduced DSP modeling and effects without the capture will have been a better option. Seems like a missed shot.
100%. I think a compressor would get more use, or maybe a couple more effects? Should have been a dual cortex with one path, keeping the same app. Fracturing the user base never works out well, and now they have multiple apps to maintain, which doesn't bode well considering the track record
@digitalchris6681 I was not aware. When the QC launched I was justing getting back into guitar and would have been from the era where digital modelers were bad.
I was really hoping this was going to leverage their plugins. Give me the Neural version of the HX Stomp. Something that I can load presets from my Neural DSP plugin library. I don't need to capture my own amps, I'll let someone with a better prepared room, the rare and unicorn amps, and a lot more experience do that. Even in this video Rabea had one way he would mic the capture, Pete had another, and it was setup differently than either of them would have preferred.
@@49Ibanez that applies to any device, your phone, your computer, etc. things just get better and you dont need to hold on them forever, once something new comes out, you sell the old and buy the new? I have Quad Cortex, if version 2 comes out in the future, i will just sell my old one and get ver 2 :)
Why would it be dead thou? Plus - it is gear, people are hacking everything these days, so i bet even if the app would died - someone will come out with a solution.
@@49Ibanezi mean standalone gear like the Tonemaster Pro, and other modelers are perfectly functional in 15 years, besides typical wear through usage. And it comes with so much more advantages over analogue gear, but a lot of that really depends on the player's perspective and background
Neural DSP: Our plugins will be available on a floor unit! People: That's cool! *Years later* People: So where are the plugins on my Quad Cortex? Neural DSP: Here's 2 plugins and a new floor unit People: Okay. But where are the plugins? Neural DSP: *inhales* S O O N
I mean it’s been years 🤣🤣🤣 they are already working on getting the plugins they’ve got compatible with QC. I literally just bought a QC and was horrified to learn initially of a new product but now I feel pretty good about my Purchase still 🤣🤣🤣
After years of changing gear from tubes, to Kempers and finally Fractal, seeing stuff like this come out and still being totally happy with the AxeFX makes me feel warm and fuzzy that Fractal is king and I've finally got what is right for me. This feels so constricting. I flipped my Source Audio stuff because it relies on an app and the H9 I use is dangerously close to going on ebay.
i believe tonex is just captures, this contains slots for fx as well? so it can be a one-stop solution instead of the tonex only covering the amp/cab part of the sound. edit: only postfx, no overdrives
@@stenmartens7179tonex pedal has a gate compressor & reverb. There’s not enough switches for this to be useful for anything other than switching between clean and boost. If it had the modeling as well it would be much more compelling
This is a pretty terrible video from people who are great content creators. The direction was aimless. Rabea sounded tired. He WAS getting tired of getting walked on and talked over by Pete and Lee (mostly Pete). In turn, they were talking over Rabea, I think, because every time he spoke, he sounded like an absolute shill. Which is something they do a pretty good job of papering over at Andertons. It's pretty obvious the device is a letdown in the face of the cheaper ToneX, so hearing them talk so sweetly about it really just screamed that money is involved. The whole thing just made me sad. I like all of these guys, but this was not a good showing.
they are literally a music shop?? Every single video they make is to push something they are trying to sell, it would be pretty stupid to talk bad about the product. No crap there’s money involved, they need to sell all the units they ordered
@zynthio I have a feeling you haven't watched much of this channel over the years. This is not representative of their typical behavior, especially towards digital gear. If you want proof of my claims, go check out their initial review of Tonex. It WAS NOT favorable. Also, I'm not dense; I watch a fair but of Andertons content. I know they're a shop, and I understand what that entails. However, there's a big difference between the monetary incentive a shop owner has to present products in a favorable light - which he/she must always juxtapose with buyer trust - and a true shill, which in this case would be accepting money from a company to ensure favorable outcomes regardless of flaws. I'll just saw, everyone got really uncomfortable when Lee mentioned ToneX at all; it really seemed like he wasn't supposed to, but I think Lee knew that would be weird because it's the obvious comparison. NDSP make some great products, and I owned the Quad Cortex, but listen to John Nathan Cordy, and you'll get a sense of how they treat anyone with a dissenting opinion. TL;DR - It's not as simple as: they're a shop trying to make money. This video was not consistent with anyone's previous behavior, and, when viewed in comparison to their original ToneX review, looks a least a little suspicious. There was definitely something abnormal at play.
This is such a strange product, wouldn't we all rather if it had the flexibility of the quad but on a small scale? Lower power and one signal chain be fine. Ability to capture is the feature i could most live without. Also why they didn't put 3 footswitches on is beyond me, all the Darkglass stuff has 3 switches in a similar chassis.
They’re a business. They’re not going to offer the killer aspect of their expensive product at a much lower price point. That’s just not what a business does. That’s what you or i would do. But businesses are run by business people. They probably looked at the cost of the processor they would need to do modeling and said, ‘we could do it, but the profit margin is lower, and we’re also screwing the quad platform.’ I’m not saying i agree with this decision. Just explaining why it happened, probably
@@sub-jec-tiv just my 2 cents on the business side of things. There is a much larger audience of people who will buy a $600 unit than any flagship unit of any brand. It’s kind of like comparing how many Honda Civic’s you see on the road compared to a Ferrari or something similar. That being said, they have just released the most affordable hardware amp profiler to date. The only other one in that price range is the Headrush one, and I personally think Neural is leaps beyond the Headrush in the sound quality of their captures. You have the Tonex, but the capturing is all on the computer, which means you need an interface and a re-amp box. Other than that, if I’m not wrong, it’s just the Kemper Stage and the Quad Cortex coming close to $2,000 after taxes and everything. So in that regard, they definitely have something here. Obviously everyone who was hoping for a direct competition with an HX Stomp are going to be disappointed and I agree and disagree. I think if they did one, it would either be a huge hit or, again, a huge disappointment depending on the features, dsp, I/O, effects, etc. Line 6 is pretty hard to beat on features, flexibility and ease of use, so I understand why they went after a different market.
Oh wow, what a massive missed opportunity... a lot of people would've loved a smaller QC (but mono with less effect slots) here... it's just a kamper player/Ik ToneX... Why ? Why wouldn't they capitalise on what they are known for ?
At this price point was the capture feature the most needed ? I would have prefered more features (effects, pre, post /effect loop /modeling ) and no capture abilities... Like the kemper player i guess
I think the capture/profiling ability is the most interesting part. There are so many options for modellers at this price range, but how many devices can do the profiling thing in the one unit? Tonex needs their separate ($250) "Tonex Capture" device which brings the cost to more than this thing (and apparently takes longer to do the job).
For what I'd want it for I agree. I think it just depends on whether you want this instead of an amp for at home play, or if you have the amps you like but want to bring this out to gigs and recreate your tone without all the hassle. Clearly this targets that second group more.
@@martyshwaartz971 The Tonex is $400, but it can't capture by itself, you need the Tonex Capture at $250 to add that functionality, making it more expensive than the Nano Cortex ($650 vs 550 USD). Now, if you're not interested in the capture aspect, sure, the Tonex might be the better option, and is definitely the better priced option.
This video felt like Rabea prefers his friends at NDSP and has outgrown Andertons. I love Rabea and have followed him for over a decade, but the fact he refuses to acknowledge any negative criticism about NDSP and shutting down Pete and Lee every time is frustrating. I own about 8 NDSP plugins and a QC, they’re the best thing to come out of the music tech industry, but they’re not 100% perfect. Pretty damn close but they do have a few minor flaws. It’s not a bad thing to acknowledge that
What most people don’t seem to get here is that you don’t need to have boutique amps laying around. I just opened the app and whatever rare amp I thinked of had at least 80 captures on cloud already. Which means you have more amps available, waaaaay more than with any modeler unit. Okay, you can’t fiddle with your favorite knobs like SAG, variac or saturation type, but that’s the point too somehow. You plug in, have thousands of great tones immediately, and you are happy. It’s not for everyone, but will surely make a ton of people happy.
yeah, i was so confused as to why its getting SO much hate, meanwhile me here, genuinely being beyond happy that i can access all those captures now, i think people are just hating for the sake of hating
If you already have a pedal board and power supply, all the drive effect pedals I’d want , an audio interface , monitor speakers and microphone then this will sound almost as good as the amp you already have !!
Prepare yourself for people who've never played a single note outside their bedroom to start telling you why this unit not having X, Y or Z features is a "dealbreaker" for them
@@nfrankiksa4596 but how can you say they're silly even before reading them...and still, everyone can be silly with their money as they want to: if I want to spend 20k on a rig to play only for myself in my headphones why should someone else care about it? If I prefer another product just because I like screens (just an example of something missing here) why should you care? Chill out guys, anyone has his preferences and can spend his money as he wants to...
Was hoping for something more like an HX Stomp with easy on/off effects and a screen. My best compact/digital solution so far is a Boss IR-2 with a boost pedal and an HX One in its effects loop... everything you need
People complain about the Axe-FX screen...imagine playing a gig and having to whip out your phone mid-song to make a quick tweak. 🤣🤣 Seems pretty cool but it will definitely not be replacing my Axe-FX III.
You really should have all that figured out before the gig. The knobs on top are for quick tweaks. If you get to the gig and decide you need less reverb I think that is what the Amount knob is for. Keep it simple.
@@DoctorMcFarlandStudios I agree, but people's #1 complaint about the fractal stuff is the screen/UI...how making quick changes is hard or whatever. I don't really agree, and I do think you should have the vast majority of it sorted out ahead of time, but this is what they whine about.
@@rmp5s I can use the Fractal UI just fine. Its called learning the unit and its not rocket science. Its not that Rhett Shull can't figure it out but maybe he just doesn't want to.
@@DoctorMcFarlandStudios Yup. Same here. Once you're used to it, it's not that bad for doing little tweaks and stuff. Honestly, I never touch the friggin thing, anyway. Axe-Edit for the win.
I would love to spend a day with Rabea and Pete just to pick their brains when it comes to the finer points of dialing in Effects and Amplifiers and Profiling , it would save me 6 months of trial and error .
Well i thought i was being a stick in the mud being disappointed by this release (whilst totally understanding it with a business greed head on) but judging by so many comments, lots of us feel the same!
They could argue that this can capture from the device itself where ToneX needs a computer and interface. I agree with you though £500 is way too much for what this offers
Hmm- if this were modeling and didn't depend on a phone app- I would be into it. But- not like this- not for me. I could see professional musicians who have access to lots of amps and different gear using it a lot though. If they could capture the finished tones they use to record- they could then use them live and greatly simplify their touring rig. Edit: I feel validated- Pete and I use the same mic setup- Royer 121 in the center and a SM57 off to one side at the edge of the cone. It sounds amazing- you should try it if you haven't.
I was interested at first but you cannot stream bluetooth audio to the device so it can be use for practice or playing with backing tracks. this cost 550 USD and does not have that feature that most recently released modelers and units have. what a let down
I bought the Quad and spent a year trying to find the same FX and sounds as the Kemper. QC not for me, sold it in the end. I am not saying this is what everyone would be like, each to their own. As a live tool, the Kemper stage is hard to beat, solid and dependable. Maybe I am too old school to change. My other favourite is the Kemper powerhead, in my opinion no one has beaten it. Like I said, everyone has a different approach. Rigmanager is superb, easy to use and edit. I just wish I could turn the clock back not have spent on the Quad ......just my opinion and there are many Quad owners that are incredibly happy. I just love the choice we have.
I never really wanted one outside a studio, or if I’m driving an hour to a friends house to jam that has a great PA and were just using drum machines. For its small footprint, stripped down format and very easy to capture your amps. I think I’d be a target audience. Play and dial my amps in at band practice. Lock in the amps, bring that sound home, bring it for simple jams to friends houses…great! Also would work with mu huge 16 pedal board. Another benefit is direct monitoring outside my DAW with how my setup is. Currently at home load box, vst IR having to monitor in DAW. Not to fond of that and latency. Then dragging my 60lb amps from my rental space home. But capturing my Sky King and Ampeg VT40 from my practice space would be awesome! I just didn’t want to dish out $1800 for something that’s a studio tool or cheap fill in for me. Currently using an old Tech21 Blonde and some pedals at home. Rental studio I have Sky King, Ampeg VT40, JCM 800 2204, Bassman 50, Twin, JC77. A bunch of old Peavey and some Traynor amps. Love to collect the entire studio to bring to the home studio to compose! I just love how quick and easy the capture is vs using a computer program, and wiring it all up to bring to a studio…it’s a lot of hassle vs this small box.
My view is that everybody can comment whatever they like, as long as everyone stays polite. Which is not always the case. Now that I understand the unit better, all I can say is well done Neural DSP. But now back to improving the Quad Cortex please 🎉
Just ordered one, I have Fractal FM9 which is awesome. This will be my first capture device. Looks awesome... I am in the US, so I ordered from Sweetwater, but the Captain, Rabea and Pete did the sales work here. As always, the Andertons team does great work promoting and demoing the products.
Because it only does captures, limiting you to a single frame that when you tweak, the further you get from the thing you were after. Basically, someone would need to capture something you want with setting you like in order to get the sound your after... and when you start to manipulate that sound, it's not like the amp.
@@FEV369 fair enough, but by reducing the software in this way, I can guarantee that it will have a very low latency (maybe even lower than the QC, waiting for Leo Gibson's video on that), which will lead to a great responsiveness and feel when playing. And for me this is really important. + with all the captures in the library I wouldn't say you are limited in any way. + in comparison with the ToneX you get great reverb and delay, justifying the higher price. (have to say here that the ToneX One being the same concept product also has very low latency)
Even if this is just a case of Neural loading nicer presets than other manufacturers choose, this is REALLY interesting- including the simplified interface.
This is brilliant. Just what I've been waiting for. Totally simple and practical for the gigging musician. This sets the bar high for all the modelling stomp boxes that are currently out there like UA and Strymon. An easy to use device with amps and IR's on board that sound really really good. No compromise. Just what a guy needs and no more. The QC is fun, but it's a lot of stuff that gets in the way. This thing you load the stuff you want, you turn it on, it works, you get a good sound right away. You turn it off and forget about it until the next gig when you repeat...just like a guitar amp.
They aren’t just RU-vidrs. They’re a MUSIC STORE. One would have to be extremely naive to expect them not to praise a piece of equipment that they are literally trying to sell to you
No amp block, no drive block…so this is only for people with actual amps to capture ? I was hoping this would basically be a smaller cortex with a single signal chain as opposed to four. Better keep saving then…
I think .... some prefers time-based effects in the effect loop. When you put the effect in the loop the overall effects sound is affected by the speaker+microphone, it will sound darker, more mellow. When putting the effect after the speaker+microphone, it will act more like studio effects which the effect sound will be clearer and brighter. I prefer the latter but many would go for the one in the loop. I think this unit capture the whole amplifier (preamp, poweramp, and speakers) + microphone as a unit. With this the effect loop might not be possible. Each component needs to be capture separately so we could put the effects loop in between the pre-amp and the power amp section. It's possible to capture the preamp part separately from the rest of the system like ... send signal to the input jack and capture the output from the effect send, and then send the signal to the return input and capture it with microphone at the speaker. We would need 2 playback blocks instead of one though.
FM9 user here. I might be odd man out, but I like this. I have a ToneX One in the loop of my FM9 for when I want a capture. I always loved the app interface on my QC when I had it, and the pitch shifter for Neural, while not perfect, is one of the few effects that’s better than Fractals in my opinion. Good stuff!
It's definitely an interesting offering. It gives you all the basic ingredients you'd need for a gig. It's the same price as the Tonex with Capture bundle. Gives you chorus/delay/transpose (the last two are very appealing, as they'll save you easily $250 even on the used market). The tonex bundle wins on being able to capture an amp head by itself, which doesn't seem to be possible here, but it's an extra thing to carry around. Nano cortex by itself seems to allows you to capture only a pedal or amp with cabinet mike. If you want to get an amp head capture you'll have to download one.
That’s EVERYONE’s issue with these things, these days. But, according to Neural these are supposed to be “future proof”. That doesn’t concern me as much as some really odd design flaws from a company full of genius’s. But, so far, this seems like an exceptional piece of gear. If I could just have something affordable to use all of Neural’s own plugins….that’s all I need. I can’t use my Soldano the way I need to to get the kind of tone they get with their plugin, and I love their Fortin Cali. From what I understand, they don’t have something as simple as that.
Sounds good. I'm hoping ToneX V2 allows Amplitube 5's full suite of effects, cabs, rooms, amps as one rig in a stereo set up and then a capture for the other rig with ability to use Amplitubes effects etc. on the capture which I can do at home on my desktop. You have endless possibilities for rigs with that set up.
I have to smile, because months ago people were talking about whether Kemper was "insane" to bring a Kemper player onto the market without a screen, just controls and then operated via an app. Neural DSP has basically done nothing different, perhaps with a few things that are different.
Am I the only one hyped for this?? I don’t have a laptop/pc and I’ve needed to upgrade my amp for a while so this sounds great to me. Yes it’s not modelling but that would have doubled the price at least tbh. The fact I can have a bunch of captures of more expensive amps/rigs and save them all to this sounds amazing!
I would love to see Mike Dawes get his hands on that unit …. Imagine that!! 😮 I would spend a very long time playing with that unit… hours of frustrating fun I reckon !
NGL I was completely expecting this to come in at a flat £1000 just for the Neural badge on it (and with a little bit more I/O it would have been worth it) But this blows me away. 100% going on my pedals to consider list.
Note to editor: your chapter indexing is off by one. The section marked "Modulation" is actually "Pitch Shifting", and "Pitch Shifting" is "Other presets" (and such like)...
I saw the product as a QC owner and thought it would accomplish the Kemper player thing, but then started this video and heard NO MODELING...I'm out. Immediately. Already cancelled the order. What a bummer man. Just bring more plugins to the QC.
Aside from capturing on board, Im not convinced this has enough extra capabilities compared to the Tonex One to justift it's over 3x higher price. No display of any kind, no amp modelling, of course no PCOM, and such a limited effects selection if you could even call it that. It just feels like this was hurried to market to react to their competition putting out lower cost 'capture players'. I think they missed a trick here by not adding PCOM or something else unique to set this apart and justify the cost.
They can’t as a company think it would be a good idea to fracture hardware types too much. Look at what Headrush did. 3 or so years into the game and once they seemed to gain any reputation for people to buy in they released and entire new line basically nuking their existing/new customers on the “older” platforms. Neural seems to be playing it smart with only new hardware that doesn’t cut into the flagships pie too much while offering something the other doesn’t. Long term updates and optimizations are the way to go and seems they have made the right choices
@@Techco1 makes sense man however personally I would prefer models over the captures like hx stomp. Also a point that you cannot use desktop editor is kinda bummer. You can connect it to you pc to use as recording device and in the middle of the recording be like “wait a sec, where is my phone, I need to change my chorus depth”.
