New Steam Controller Deep Dive - Weight, Gyro Fix(?), and More

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In this video, I take a deeper dive into the new licensed Steam controller from the Japanese company Hori. I cover topics like how much it weighs, using gyro over usb cable, and more.

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@Berengal 2 дня назад

The way you're using the gyro isn't how it's meant to be used. It doesn't react to moving the controller, but to tilting and rotating it, like a steering wheel but in all three rotations... It's a bit of an issue with gyro, people new to gyro are split about 50/50 on which one is intuitive, some people naturally want to tilt the controller while others naturally want to move it around. Gyro to joystick is also very different from gyro to mouse. It's only meant to be used with games that don't allow simultaneous mouse and controller inputs (you either have to map gyro to joystick or the stick, triggers and buttons to keyboard keys) and it has lots of issues like contending with maximum stick deflection, built-in stick acceleration and added input delay. I don't know why gyro to mouse didn't show up this time but did in the previous video, but Valve have been working on a new gyro to mouse mode to replace their old one, so which one shows up depends on if you're in the steam beta program or not... As you can probably guess from all the settings, gyro input isn't as explored as other types of input and there's no fixed consensus on the best defaults yet, so you just get all the settings available to you.

@PanoptesDreams День назад

People that don't understand gyroscopes are the ones that wave it around like a wand.

@LandenL День назад

I need to work on my gyro tech. My muscle memory probably isn't there yet. But I agree, Gyro to joystick seems like trash. And yeah, gyro settings are scary 😨

@blorbb5398 16 часов назад

@@LandenL At first I thought the same, but Steam has so many possibilities, work on it and watch videos, if you get to understand the possibilities, it is very good, also gyro to mouse is good.

@LandenL 14 часов назад

My movements are a little exaggerated for filming.

@Moskeeto 2 дня назад

Thanks for the additional gyro tests! It answered a lot of my questions. Pro tip from a gyro user: you should avoid joystick emulation as much as possible. Unfortunately, Bethesda RPGs all lock input to controller so joystick was pretty much the only option for FNV. Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal are much better games for testing gyro (especially gyro to mouse). Another tip: for steady aim, we tend to rest the controller on our laps. Also, aiming isn't by moving the controller in space. It's more about rotation. Imagine its mounted like a turret and you're aiming it around a pivot point. Kinda like that carnival game where you squirt water into a clown's mouth lol.

@blorbb5398 День назад

I dont know what you have gotten answered since he is using gyro wrong. Gyro is not waving the controller in the air (maintaining it basically pointing in the same direction), Gyro is tilting, rotating, yaw-ing and pitching.

@LandenL День назад

"Kinda like that carnival game where you squirt water into a clown's mouth lol" Made me lol ty. I didn't realize how big the gyro controller community was.

@RetroHellspawn 12 часов назад

@@LandenL We're not a huge group, but we're definitely dedicated. Admittedly, my skill on kb&m as well as standard controllers has dipped quite a bit in the last decade thanks to the Steam Controller getting me stuck in its ecosystem. It's comfy, yet enough versatile for shooters in a way that can still work on a competitive level if trained for it. Some good resources for learning about gyro and its community are: -Nerrel (probably my fav) -RambleCan (formerly RambleTan, formerly Existential Egg, been probably the most consistent SC creator) -TekGeekStar I made a few videos for the Steam Controller myself, but they're not very good. They're from when I was still trying to find my identity and passion. I started with tutorials, and I thought, "the Steam Controller has kind of a hole in the market for videos about it... And I'm absolutely in love with this controller, so why not?" My review has been outdated for a long time (the software and API has come a LONG way in the past decade, some changes for the better, some changes not so much.) I've been contemplating making an updated version but also feel like it's unnecessary because Nerrel covered most of the points I would cover, from how satisfying it feels to how wide the range of use is, to what I want Valve to fix.

@RetroHellspawn 12 часов назад

I know it's not *quite* a decade old, but it's just about there. Just over a year from now. 💀

@kinginthenaught День назад

Thought it was a real steam controller... It's not

@LandenL День назад

sry, a little clickbaity. But this is technically the only controller on the market licensed by Steam. I wish Valve would make a proper 1st party controller.

@paulkelly4711 День назад

@LandenL The original Steam controller is great. Just took some getting used to. I wish I'd bought a few more of them when they were selling them cheap. If they release another one, I'll buy it for sure.

@bozydarswizepa5275 2 дня назад

The way gyro behaves on cable is how it should be. I have tested this, the reason it's bad wireless is the steam deck itself. Gyro is actually unusable on deck's internal Bluetooth, it seems a tiny bit better on extremal bluetooth adapter connected to a dock but is only really usable wired currently. Hopefully a steam deck update will fix this, or perhaps a hori firmware update if that's a thing. On PC the gyro is the same wired and wireless.

@LandenL 2 дня назад

It's too bad the Steam Deck bluetooth isn't good enough. Seems like an oversight. But maybe the OLED model works better? But if the controller works fine on PC like you said, I think it will be a decent little controller. Triggers are still garbage imo.

@didjidks 23 часа назад

@@LandenL Deck OLED has better bluetooth chip and extra antenna just for bluetooth, so probably should be better. Wake-on-bluetooth also works only on OLED, when you tried it in your previous video

@NoxNyctores427 День назад

Walt screaming in a car: NO LANDEN, NO, DON'T USE GYRO TO JOYSTICK, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@LandenL День назад

😂 I've made a big mistake.

@Jason-wr1jc 2 дня назад

Thanks for the update, super helpful to know the weight and that the issue was a BT one. Someone told me it's actually a SteamDeck BT issue, PC BT doesnt stutter apparently. The joystick gyro you used is not usually recommended unless theres no other option as it's limited on fast movements. Also the roll contribution should be set to 0, i thought that was default sorry. In terms of how you are using the gyro, a couple tips, the local space i told you to set, that is for twisting the controller right and left, the way you were moving the controller you would probably benefit more from either world space or laser space. Not asking for another update, just in case you wanted to try gyro to actually play a game, Hori controller or Steam Deck. This is one of the challenges with gyro, it has a barrier to entry, the options are needed, but its overwhelming for new people to look at and default options are not the best for new people. Appreciate the update 👍

@Leo08x День назад

For Gyro there are explanations in RU-vid on how to use it, I have one sort of for Overwatch 2, but mine sucks so instead just look at Nerrel's guide on gyro.

@SuperTort0ise День назад

The triggers remind me of ps2/3 pressure sensitivity, they use convex rubber domes for all the buttons, rather than just triggers like in PS4/5, it's a weird kind of sense because it's very easy to get 130~/255 but takes way more to get 255/255. Xbox one +(ms is bad at names) uses hall effect, just not for the analog sticks ಠ⁠ಗ⁠ಠ💢💢

@thegreatbum2446 День назад

They have digital triggers, that's why it's so light (and the lack of rumble). It's like the Switch Pro Controller. There is no travel to the triggers because it's literally a simple button.

@yorkshireplumbing 2 дня назад

You can set the actuation point of triggers in Steam settings too, so you should be able to tune them. Switching them from analogue to digital triggers with the switch on the back is pretty cool though. I thought this controller was completely pointless from your first video, but looks like it has some potential if you don't mind digging into the settings! Yeah, wireless gyro looks.. ummm. There's probably a lot about this controller tied up in Steam input settings to get the most out of it, just like the original Steam controller, which is a love/hate thing.

@LandenL 2 дня назад

Sadly, I feel the triggers travel is so short and mushy that Steam settings can't save it. But I agree, I might have been too harsh on it in the first video. They have some potential. "Yeah, wireless gyro looks.. ummm" - that made me lol. Ty for sharing your thoughts.

@tonkahanah5890 День назад

gyro to joystick almost never works right and I pretty much never use it in anything. Gyro to mouse is really the only setting worth using 99% of the time. you're also moving it in a weird way. it really works better with smaller tilting movements, primarily tilting up and down. analog sticks are fine for the horizontal movement but they struggle with the vertical movements. Its why so many console shooters redesigned everything to remove a lot of verticality in their map/game play design. The gyro help compensate for this by making the up and down movements very fluid. Nintendo has been trying to sell this idea to their users for years now but some of their games hard restrict the gyro movement to only up and down. Gyro usage via the steam controller settings is a bit more free so when shifting to up and down you also move a little left and right so it doesnt feel so locked and restricted but you wouldnt usually use left and right heavily for large movements.

@GreenLeefMusic День назад

For some reason I seem to have the best results from Gyro as Joysfick on my handheld PCs, tho it may be coincidental. Both my Steam Deck and ROG Ally have had pretty good Gyro as joystick, but I had noticeably worse results when using my DualSense for gyro as joystick. I also should probably specify that I managed my ROG Ally gyro via Armoury Crate (not Steam Input) but Steam Deck & Dualsense were via Steam Input I wonder if the wider layout plays a role in making Gyro as Joystick better on handheld PCs? Gyro as mouse does seem to be much more consistent in working more evenly with all 3 controllers just as you excellently explained. I would like to see how this Hori Steam controller gyro compares to the dualsense as it seems to be similar to my dualsense experience via gyro as a joystick specifically.

@KanameYuuki День назад

Thank you for the videos, I was looking forward to the control, that bt + gyro situation looks rough because it seemed perfect with cable, also as many have said with gyro you want it to emulate a cursor, many games have awful gyro implementation because they emulate joysticks.

@AwkwaBear День назад

I think you’re gonna get roasted for the way you tested gyro but thank you so much for attempting to try it out as best you can. I recently just got into gyro a bunch so I have a lot of questions about it as well. I just ordered one now on eBay cause I am curious since this is basically the only other controller to support capacitive sticks for a gyro on/off input. I wanna run some benchmarks to see what the polling rate is as well. Great vid thanks for putting some info out right away

@LandenL День назад

Thank you sharing! There seems to be a secret society of gyro gamers that I was unaware of lol. You are right, someone with more gyro knowledge needs to make a better review of this controller.

@AwkwaBear День назад

@@LandenL yeah I’ve heard evangelists from the church of gyro sing its praises for a while and I thought it was just a gimmick. I follow a RU-vid channel where the guy uses gyro on steam deck. I hated playing shooters on deck cause I usually prefer mouse and keyboard. My mind changed when I saw a video of a guy wrecking a mouse and keyboard using gyro playing in a counterstrike 1v1. I decided I would take the plunge and watch a bunch of tutorials and learn it by playing Selaco on admiral difficulty. After the 2-3 hours it takes to get used to, there is no going back. Gyro is dramatically better for shooting once you stop fighting it and take the time to learn it. It’s easy to learn too cause you still can use the stick for large movements then use the gyro for headshot adjustments. It’s much closer to mouse and keyboard level aim that I thought. I highly recommend you take a sip of the gyro koolaid

@allenlark День назад

you're calling it gyro but you're using it like it's only accelerometers

@LandenL День назад

I know I am horrible with gyro, but isn't the TF2 and Portal gameplay gyro? If not, I truly don't understand how gyro works.

@Olrih 2 дня назад

With updates they can fix all gyro issues and other bugs, it’s not problem I guess

@Mennenth День назад

I've been working on a video series better explaining how to use gyro havent released it yet, but will soon. lots of editing needs to be done.

@maratnugmanov 5 часов назад

Asked to test gyro to mouse. Tests gyro to joystick instead, complains about stick axial deadzones 😁 Thanks for the video 👍 This is why people buy things like Xim Matrix - this thing corrects all of it. For example if a game has forced deadzone of 20% and you are moving 1% then Xim translates it to 21%. Same with axial deadzones that will ignore slight vertical movements when you move mostly horizontally - Xim just adds the threshold needed for the exact small movement. So most people buy these to use their mouse and benefit from aim assists. Honestly Fallout 4 is not the worst experience with raw gyro to stick. Another problem would be the low cap of turn speed because you can only go as fast as the stick itself unlike the mouse that no matter how low your sensitivity is, as long as you have a big enough desk to slide you can move it at absurdly gast speeds, you just need to travel more. Some games even add acceleration to the input so the longer you hold a stick in a specific position the faster it goes. This is just cringe.

@LandenL 2 часа назад

Yeah, showing gyro to stick as the first clip was a mistake 😭. I've never heard of the xim matrix before. Seems like a magic black box for controller compatibility. I don't think I am ready to dive into that niche... Yet. But I will definitely try to use gyro more (with proper settings)

@Gr3yCard1nal День назад

I really wish this gamepad was good but it's not. It looks so good though.

@tremelo8508 День назад

Can you say where you got these, as they don't seem to be officially available in Japan until November. I can't find a place to pre-order them either.

@LilRenlor День назад

They came out in Japan on the 28th, if you go to the Japanese Hori Store it shows that release date

@tremelo8508 День назад

@@LilRenlor Oh wow!!! I could have sworn it was around Halloween. Thanks!!!

@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa День назад

@@LilRenlor how to get in US? lol

@LilRenlor День назад

@@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa there are some importing services you can use

@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa День назад

@@LilRenlor Any recommendations?

@zacnyss3802 День назад

I have the impression that you are negative about this pad from the very beginning. In addition, you criticize steam input without knowing how to use it, the way you tested the gyroscope I won't even mention. You can also adjust the sensitivity of the triggers, this pad has the ability to switch between analog and digital triggers, the sensitivity and trigger activation threshold can be adjusted in steam input. Remember that this pad was created just to make 100% use of the possibilities that steam input provides.

@LandenL День назад

My opinion: User's shouldn't have to fix the controller in settings, especially in the Japanese market, where the Nintendo Switch/PlayStation is king. Those two console are "it just works" systems. But I am sure most PC users can find uses for this controller. I am mostly negative about this controller because you can get better value by just buying a PS5 controller.

@zacnyss3802 День назад

@@LandenL btw, how did you get this controller? The scheduled release is set for October 31th

@LandenL 14 часов назад

I live in Japan right now. So I was able to simply buy it from their website. Other people mention buying it secondhand on ebay, but I wouldn't spend more than retail price imo.

@StriderX117 День назад

No vibration? Thanks for the info and videos, btw!

@LandenL День назад

No vibration. Glad you enjoyed!

@nostalgianinja День назад

Waitwait, are you using the dongle or are you using the bluetooth? Maybe it needs a driver update for better responsiveness, and if you're not using the dongle, try the gyro sensitivity there.

@LandenL День назад

In this video, all wireless was tested using the Steam Deck Bluetooth. I believe the manual said to do so (Maybe I didn't translate it correctly).

@ToxicStatistic 7 часов назад

Are you able to test this using the dongle with the steam deck? I recall that even with the official Steam controller by Valve, it was recommended to use the included dongle over Bluetooth. It would be interesting to see if it's more responsive.

@severinevans346 День назад

I want one of these controllers for the native Steam input functionality gyro and touch capacitive joysticks but I think it's being released in Japan only which I'm sure you can import it but that's probably going to be expensive though.

@LandenL День назад

IDK if they will ship internationally but anything is possible. Some people mentioned them being on ebay, but I would NOT spend more than $60 USD on this controller. Just buy a PS4/PS5 controller instead.

@justchan2443 День назад

I was just wondering, how did you buy this? I could only see this controller on Ebay for 100 bucks, and honestly, it's probably worth half that price.

@LandenL День назад

I live in Japan so I was able to buy direct from the manufacturer's website (horistore.com/shop/g/gHPC-055/). It sells for about 8k yen which is roughly $56 USD as of typing this comment.

@tonkahanah5890 День назад

those triggers seem better to me than xbox or ps5 triggers. having a lot of travel on a controller intended for a lot of PC games ends up being a pain, especially if you're using gyro a lot. Driving games seem to be the primary reason any one really wants/needs analog triggers. One of the reasons I typically use the bumper buttons on ps4/5 controller for things like primary fire in a first person shooter is to avoid the analog nature and all the extra travel of the triggers. The extra travel on the triggers tends to result in additional unwanted gyro movement. This was something valve found to be the case and even has a setting in the software for gyro dampening when pressing the triggers. I find this software too restrictive to serve its purpose though so I dont use it and just choose to set the bumper to primary fire than the trigger. I still miss the original steam controllers bumpers and triggers, they were the the best of both worlds, travel and clicking.

@LandenL День назад

I like controllers that have physical locks on the triggers for FPS games. Then you can unlock them for the full movement for racing. But this probably adds cost.

@ryozaki96 День назад

Really sad to know that trigger buttons are terrible.

@tontitontito День назад

Try gyro as a mouse, that would be most accurate

@CandarianGaming День назад

Not having a dig but after seeing you attempt to use gyro by moving your arms around and also admitting you're not much of a gyro user, why did you get 2 of these?

@LandenL День назад

No reason in particular. But here are a few: I wanted two controllers for coop gaming on the Steam Deck. I wanted to purchase a controller designed for the Steam Deck. I wanted to make a video about the controllers considering I could get 'early access' by currently living in Japan. Also kinda just wanted to buy something with the official Valve logo/approval.

@eustacequinlank7418 День назад

The triggers seem someway between a force sensor, where the button remains fixed and only pressure is recorded, and a traditional one. Coming from simming this is akin to a FSSB stick, though there no fineness over the input here I guess? Though I'm not giving Valve or the controller manufacturer such credit so far. Does it feel good is the question, there's no way it should feel in the slightest bit plasticky or mushy with the user feeling like you'll break something internally when you apply more pressure. I used the mechanical fixed trigger for breaking in Redout 2 on a Gulikit KK3 for example, it didn't last long at all. I've repaired it with replacements, but it wasn't made for constant pressure to be applied as there were latches made of plastic. I'll have to look for a teardown, aye.

@LandenL День назад

I am not a controller connoisseur, but I really don't like the triggers. Basically no travel, and I have no physical feedback when using the force sensor. And I guarantee its a force sensor.

@eustacequinlank7418 День назад

@@LandenL Cheers, great reviews btw!

@phi86 2 часа назад

is this BT only or 2,4ghz? HE sticks yes or no?

@LandenL Час назад

I used Bluetooth but it includes a dongle. But I don't know if the dongle is regular Bluetooth or 2.4gz. if HE means Hall effect, I doubt it but I couldn't find specs on the product page.

@Deli5150 День назад

Please tell me where you got the controller I want to get one 😭

@LilRenlor День назад

There are some import shops on eBay that have it

@severinevans346 День назад

@@LilRenlor Yeah but it's not officially released until October 31st on Halloween. So how did he get it when it's not released yet?

@LilRenlor День назад

@@severinevans346 it already released on the 28th as per the Hori site itself

@LilRenlor День назад

@@severinevans346it was released the 28th of this month

@LilRenlor День назад

@@severinevans346 RU-vid keeps removing my reply that it already released lol

@borrellipatrick День назад

Like that the controller looks like their horipad+ controller for switch.

@LandenL День назад

Yeah, the obviously reused the designs from their existing controllers. It also looks like their xbox controller. If you look at the bottom of the controller, there is a covered port. It looks like a slot for a 3.5mm headphone jack. Like the ones you see on xbox or playstation(?) controllers.

@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 День назад

For gyro specifically, short travel is actually a good thing. It means you move less before shooting and throws your aim off less.

@LandenL День назад

Don't some gyro players use high sense? I watch the TF2 controller video by Solarlight and he seems to like high sense. I think.

@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 День назад

@LandenL yeah, so the standard measurement of sensitivity for gyro is rws(real world sensitivity) which is the multiplier added to the actual angle you turn the controller. I would recommend starting with a rws of 4, so 45°=180° in game. Then put the vertical sensitivity scale at 50%. This will give you good range of motion, but that vertical sensitivity reduction will help with steadiness. People do absolutely use higher sensitivities though. I think up to something like rws 20. A lot of people also use acceleration so it gives them a more slow and steady sensitivity for the slow precision aiming, but they also get the wide range of motion for the high sensitivity. There's a channel call Bjgobbledix that plays cod and other popular shooters on ps5 with acceleration. He pretty much never uses the right stick anymore. For a newcomer, you might want to try gyro activation when you touch the capacitive right stick. To me it transfers pretty smoothly as if you are setting a mouse down and lifting it up to reset. Try not to fight the gyro with the right stick, use it as the primary aiming method and use the stick just for general looking around.

@jamesalexhowlett День назад

A lot of people get a hard on for Hori. Most of the products I’ve tried from them always feel really cheaply made. The only product I’ve loved that they’ve made was my MH: Double Cross N3DS grip they made.

@LandenL День назад

This being my first product, I didn't hate it. I feel like they did an OK job of implementing the Steam Decks control scheme. But you can definitely tell where they cut corners to keep the price down. (no rumble, no trackpads, awkward triggers)

@jamesalexhowlett День назад

@@LandenL technically speaking, the original steam controller and steam deck don’t have rumble. They have haptic feedback. I’m surprised the new controllers don’t.

@Fleshlight_Reviewer 6 часов назад

Bruh those triggers are so shallow...

@LandenL 2 часа назад

They are pretty bad 😔

@gameslayer2940 День назад

Have a question, the horipad Steam controller has vibration rumble?

@Moskeeto День назад

It has no rumble at all, sadly.

@LandenL День назад

Horipad does not have rumble.

@NinjaAnonim 4 часа назад

Thanks for the tests :)

@LandenL 2 часа назад

No problem 🫡

@roninstormYT День назад

are they haul effect sticks ?

@LandenL День назад

At this price point, I doubt it.

@churchofsatan2041 17 часов назад

Did you know u can make a basic controller have turbo features in steam settings. Like rapid fire etc

@LandenL 14 часов назад

I did not. I usually stay away from macro features because it seems like cheating sometimes.

@ELTT1 23 часа назад

Did you check if the controller has a desktop app to update?

@LandenL 14 часов назад

They do have a desktop app. I don't know if there are any updates.

@ELTT1 23 часа назад

You should try the ultimate wireless controller by 8bitdo and comparing it with the hori one

@LandenL 14 часов назад

The 8bitdo controllers do look nice. They should make a Steam Controller 2 tbh.

@ELTT1 14 часов назад

@@LandenL i own the first version of the ultimate wired for xbox about a year 0 problems mi first party controller got drift first

@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa День назад

How do I buy one in US?

@LandenL День назад

sry idk.

@ToxicStatistic 7 часов назад

Play-Asia will start shipping them worldwide on Oct 31st.

@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Час назад

@@ToxicStatistic hell yeah thanks dude!

@DaMu24 День назад

This kid needs more research

@LandenL 14 часов назад

Could you tell me what I should research more? Sometimes I cut things from the video for time, but sometimes I truly don't know.

@Vaasref День назад

Calling Hiropads "New Steam Controller" is offensive to real Steam Controllers. Mine just changed its happy welcome music to the shitty one in protest.

@LandenL День назад

It has welcome music? That's pretty neat.