Well, it appears I did many of my PVP fans a disservice by neglecting the importance of Dragon Powder I am sorry and will do better at considering you all in future videos. It seems you all craft explosives way more often than I thought. I assumed it would be crafted way less than the other things in the firebowl but I should have covered each recipe in detail I apologize. I think I'm experiencing some Conan burnout but I know that is no excuse.
Yeah no worries. We will find out more about the stuff once it finally releases for us. Just focus on yourself and try to have fun with it and just take a break if you do need it, we would understand
Fire spark... you really didn't think pvp players craft a lot of dragon powder? What did you think we raid with, orbs? lol it's okay dude. We make dragon powder all a day long to blow through t3 fence stacks, gate stacks and honey combs. take a look at the actual HP of the building mats and look at how much dps bombs do to them each. you'll see why we make 1000's of boom booms.
@@cerebraldreams4738 yes they nerfed gods to the ground. Too grindy and even when you finally get one, disappointment. Don't even get me started on that sad excuse for religious warfare. you're better off raiding with Crom. That and with temple bases being the meta since launch combined with the god bubble duplication glitch that's also been out with any other glitches since launch, conan pvp has been a nightmare. The only time conan exiles was booming was when it was free with paid dlc. after that, it's been low population every since.
The biggest difference between the different tanneries is how long it took to do the crafting. Sometimes you just want something done quickly and you dont care about the cost in fuel, just the cost in time.
yes and now you have that option but I find that most crafting does not really take that long unless you are making a ton of something. Do you find yourself using the speed stations very often?
@@Firespark81 just started too, but that's because my group does not like large bases and the speed stations are great for when we just want to get stuff done. When your trying to do a lot of things in a short amount of time but dont have the room for multiple stations its great
I use the fast stations on some occasions: Alchemist: yellow lotus potions Blacksmit: special steel reinforcement recipe Cauldron: to make the bones for the voodoo skelletons
With Cauldrons the Precision one is the goto. Dragon powder, steelfire, stone consolident to name a few get expensive really fast. Half crafting cost is best. Plus alchemist thralls at least still retained their crafting speed boost so Witch Doctor from summoning place +300% in Precision bench is win win.
Your difference is also in wall clock time... the improved and precision produce the same but one does it 5 times faster in wall click time. So if you are sitting there needing 20 leather for a piece of armor the t2 does it in just shy of 5 minutes and the t3 does it in under 1
Well if we look at the production value of the two Tannery, the precision one produce 2,5 leather in 6s while the other one produce 10 leather in 100s. Meaning we have a production of 20 leather per min in the precision tannery vs 6 leather per minutes in the plant-base tannery. And that's the biggest and most interesting differences between the two of them when it comes to productivity. I don't know the other good aspect of plant-based tannery though.
You missed one enormous point there the plant based needs 1:40 to craft nearly 10 and the fastest needs only 6 seconds to craft 2,5...So with 4 bark you would get the same result in 24 seconds...that's super fast and 1:40 for 10 super slow or 1 piece of leather in 10 sec vs 1 piece in under 3 seconds. I would have both in my base...the plant based for crafting over night and the other while I'm online and able to refill them with fuel
I'm honestly surprised by the amount of people I'm seeing in the comments that are all about the speed. I'm over here like I don't wanna grind fuel lol
@@Firespark81 I can understand that statement, and I sympathize with it a lot, but personally I find that I get enough fuel as a byproduct of farming most anything else I'm farming. I'm getting coal when I'm getting iron stone, I'm getting bark when I'm getting wood. I'm getting absurd amounts of meat that I can never use when I'm farming leather to get tar to make steel to make reinforcements for tier three building materials. To be fair, I primarily play on a server with minimal conflict and a whole lot of very base-build-oriented people, so we need a lot of those things. Perhaps the difference in play style would explain the difference in priorities. I really like that you define "best" when you do your testing though, because that priority difference can matter when there is resource scarcity. which a lot of people don't seem to take into account.
@@Firespark81 speed is essential when you want to make the run for the first raidtime...but I agree partially, thats why I would go for both craftingstations
I have the Precision Tannery on my game, but I most certainly will change that to the Plant-Based one straight away. They really need to work on the differences. Thanks for another great video.
The whole point of the precision tannery is to make a lot of materials FAST. You’re only looking at it from a fuel efficiently standpoint. Whereas people who don’t have a ton of time to play will value speed much more highly.
Due to trees that were changed and bark being available around every corner the Precision Tanner is the only option. The less burn time is irrelevant due to easy access to bark.
Also the differences become more clear when doing larger amounts. Improved vs Precision will be vastly different when doing 20 stacks of hide with 5 stacks of bark. And im not waiting around for the other new bench to go through 20 stacks of hide just so i can save bit on bark with longer burn time.
Yeah. this matches up with my assessments. The plant based tannery is good for efficiency. The firebowls? I'm staying with the improved. What I don't like are the inclusion of substations like the tanner's bench to make hardened leather and strip hide and the tinker's bench for weapon and armor mods. Kind of ridiculous but I can see the point. Make more stations, make them big and require raid groups to commit to larger bases. A buddy of mine suggested it might be a counter to undermeshers though I don't really see how it'll stop them.
Also, sometimes in RP servers you are really restricted to some server rules, like can not make more than one crafting station, so in end game it would be upgrade, any type of upgrade. But I agree that it feels like these stations was supposed to be better than actually are right now.
PvP players are going to have to use precision benches since they're obliviously the META now. This means you'll have to use more mats to defend your base and wait even longer for materials to be made via benches. In short, it's more of a grind and even more time consuming than before. There's so much other stuff that they need to fix but they just won't.
Depending on the resource i may or may not value craft time over fuel cost. I Prefer to prioritize craft time for the tannery personally and wish you had run those numbers as well and not just fuel consumption.
In my experience speed is very important especially when you are at war. You have to repair your base between attacks. Also the faster you can make the ingredients for bombs the better.
Bark is very easy to get now. I am overflowing with it. There's no point in the plant-based tannery unless you're on a PVE server with room to spare. All the improved stations are completely adequate for most PVP/PVE-C situations especially when you consider the amount of space they take up.
Furnaces are really the best thought out additions in the update. U could use fuel efficiency for ores that you have a ton of such as iron and stone, and the heat efficiency for ores that are harder to come by such as silver, gold, star metal, etc.
Fuel efficiency is for slot packing and letting it bake overnight, since you can get more ore/stone inside vs fuel. For most other applications, the heat efficient furnace is basically a triple Improved furnace, as it has the same base ore:fuel efficiency as an Improved, but 3x as fast (two less smelter thralls needed) and much, much better overall if you need construction material such as steel for reinforcements or hardened bricks. If you're playing SP, fuel efficient is a waste of time and heat efficient is a waste of resources compared to just making 3x improved furnaces and getting a few cheap thralls to man them. By the time you CAN make a t3 furnace, you don't NEED one, and are just doing it for the vanity.
@@zourin8804 yep pretty much. I have to say I hope Funcom updates these new crafting stations so they can be much more than just vanity. They look so good, but are either pointless or even costly.
when it comes to craft time it depends on the what im crafting personally. if im crafting potions or weapons, yeah ok i. fine waiting for a moment longer. but if its materials that for building a base with, since you need a lot of materials and they craft 1 at a time, the shorter it takes per item crafted means i can work on building that much faster (obviously). so yeah, depends on the item
thank you for doing this series! This is my least favorite update to Exiles so far, I think. I am an avid RPer on Exiles, and every RP/private server I have been on limits the size of bases in some way to preserve server performance as best they can. These huge crafting stations, and needing more crafting stations, screwed my build pretty badly lol. I adapted, but it's just one of those little frustrations to work around.
the point is whether you will be playing singles or servers. devices on the server burn out - they continue to work even when you log out. When playing alone, the crafting tables only work while you're playing. Perhaps I am saying something obvious. But you can see immediately why such craft tables have been added.
Yes sir your exactly right for pvp on official it's a huge difference it cuts the steel fire in half, you go from making 200 bombs to 400 bombs with the better bench
@@pyromaniac0968The pvp servers can be really toxic if you get the wrong server but to me it's alot more fun, this is one of my all time favorite games even with all the bugs, its been extremely buggy through the years, do you play on private server or offline?
@@pyromaniac0968 I did the same when I first started that and utube videos, I played offline for the first couple months to get used to everything and then tried a private server for couple months until we got raided by an adman he spawned in thousands of bombs and wiped are base so went to official pvp after that been there ever since
But the precision one did that in 6 seconds as apposed to 25 seconds so in the same amount of time it would do 4 times more that's the variation of the precision
I'd say cost reduction is better than crafting speed increase and speed increase is better than fuel efficiency. The only exception I can remember is campain blacksmith bench with T3 or T4 thrall wich gives Reinforce recipe - 1 iron reinforcement + 1 steelfire = 1 steel reinforcement. Since no cost gain available at all campain blacksmith bench gives pure speed bonus which is totally great. Fuel is plentiful resource, even bark is no problem since update. Hit couple of trees while looking for hides - and fuel is restored, no point to save fuel
@firespark81 what I am wondering is if the new specialist crafters affect the new stations and what the specializations are for the tannery and firebowls?
@@azraelbloodgamer4240 Alchemists, cooks and tanners don't have specializations. So at this point they only improve crafting speed and provide extra recipes - like oil (when it's back in game that is).
What they should of done with the firebowl was have the precision give more like 2 - 4 per craft. Just to make it reasonable since it’s no different from improved firebowl. But for the tannery they should tweak it a bit since it’s practically similar with crafting speed and the lower tiers.
You should watch time difference too, because i feel like the precision tannery is insane when you need to farm really fast with your team, and later on you dont give a f. about bark tbh ;)
I think you miss the important variable Firespark. You can put many different kinds of hide into tannery (rhino etc) maybe there will be the difference of not wasting mats. I know that you can transform them in the different station but I just can't be bothered with that.
@firespark81 have the devs fixed the stations so that each successive upgraded station can craft everything from the previous level? This was NOT how things worked in the previous releases.
I really don’t care about fuel efficiency, precision tanner is insanely fast and even though it burns fuel really fast it still gets about the same fuel to leather ratio. For me there’s just no other option.
They could have made it where the better cauldrons give more chance for crafting byproducts and make it so certain recipes need those byproducts to craft, which would have given good reason to build the bigger ones over the improved.........It also feels like the precision tannery should have been made so that it makes more leather but instead they made it the same as the improved but it crafts it a lot faster. I think that is more for getting the tar faster as opposed to getting more leather.
PvP raiding is not much of a thing on my server, so for me the issue is receipts and efficiency. Craft time is not important. However, some of the new Grandmaster benches do make nice set pieces for build decorations.
From what I've experienced so far, it looks like the idea for the new crafting stations was "borrowed" from the Gcam mod but badly implemented. Sure they gave them a cool new look but in Gcam their greater firebowl cauldron decreases cost and crafting time but also includes what was mentioned in the vid, extra output, something like 20 to 30 %. I believe this is the case for most of the stations. The only reason to craft the highest level cauldrons that I can see is it appears that when the oil recipe is back it will only appear in these and not the lower level (yet to test it out). I'll stick to the Gcam stuff (as soon as they can update the mod to compensate for all the mod breaking bugs Funcom keep introducing.
Craft station footprint is a Mute point. Your gonna build you base around your stations, not your stations around your base. Craft time in my opinion, is also a mute point. It's all about using the least ingredients to get the most product. Press start, walk away and farm for more materials, come back load the stations and repeat. If your standing there in your base waiting for stuff to craft.....IDK, your waisting time. Lol another thing, why would farm steal? I mean if I can make it I ain't farming it, that craziness!
Hi firespark yeah plant is good but when u need bombs for PvP server i would use the faster one, bark is ez to get the problem for bombs its the time that It consumes to do enough bombs not the fuel
Seems as t4 thralls on firebowl cauldron don't change a thing, speaking of my thralls (Iblis, Which Doc and Harald) not one added , reduced nor increased anything.
What if getting barks not really an issue?? If it made 10 in 1mim 30 seconds that means with the precison or i can just make 100 in that 1 min? So why use one that just last longer especially on fast pace official server...?
I remain mystified why they made the changes they did/are doing. What's the point? What problem were they trying to solve? How does a proliferation of huge new workstations make the game more fun or realistic? I don't see that it does. Similarly, why the revamp of T4 crafting thralls? I don't see how this makes the game better, as a matter of fact I'm pretty sure it doesn't, unless you want to spend all your game time farming T4 crafting thralls. I think it makes the game more grindy, not less. Grindy is boring. Spare us, please!
No extra chance please. I'm tired of gambling games! There is a mod that adds a giant station variation (guess where they got ideia of more stations), its not that big btw, and what it does actually is better. Its costs double than the minimum in the improved, but it actually gives you more than the improved's minimum. That's it. Nothing especial, the thing is simple. 2x the minimum crafting materials as cost, but 3 or more times as result crafted item. That's the way to go.
To me it's better to use lower cost craft stations since you just farm some ressource, launch craft and go back to farm another ressource. You just need several craft stations to always have one avalaible when you need them, but to be honnest even on official server i always tried to manage to never wait for something to be crafted, it's just a waste of time. Farm, craft, farm something else, craft n°2, put craft n°1 in chest, go back to farm something else. Manage your playtime is important in Conan, always go for the best farm spot, be multitask. Playing online also help since you can launch craft and log off, usually you farm during daytime, launch craft before sleeping and all craft will be over the next day. There is no way to get more benefit in faster craft station, smelting 100k iron bars in (let's say randomly) 5h than in 7h. Furthermore, low cost craft stations burn less fuel or ressources for your craft, so it means less farming in the end, especially for armorers and forges. Well maybe on a PvP perspective it's different
After using the new stations I think this update sucks. They made stuff more complex in their goal to streamline the stations. I hate it. Dragon powder is what you need to focus on. That's the only thing that matters on those stations.
What is it used in other than explosives that you need it for? I mean you use a crap-load of alchemic base and stone consolidate in just day to day stuff do you not?
@@Firespark81 I agree that there are very small or nonexistent gains in material cost reduction for 3 of the 4 base recipes when upgrading from an Improved to a Precision Cauldron. So on a PvE server, not much point going with the Precision Cauldron. But on a PvP server, where you often need a lot of explosives to raid with, that 4th recipe for dragon powder is what counts. You are definitely going to want the Precision Cauldron for bomb production. The Improved Cauldron only gives a 25% material cost reduction to dragon powder over the regular T1 cauldron. The Precision Cauldron confers a 50% costs reduction over the T1 cauldron. For example, what if I want to produce 100 bombs? And it needs to be pointed out that 100 bombs is NOT a lot to raid with especially when raiding larger bases. I have been on many of raids where we had to use several hundred bombs. But let's stick with just 100 bombs as an example. If I use the Improved Cauldrons, it will cost me 7500 steelfire. If I use the new Precision Cauldron, the cost is now just 5000 steelfire. I just saved 2500 steelfire. That is a 33% decrease in steelfire costs by using a Precision versus an Improved Cauldron. Of course there are other components to dragon powder, but steelfire is the more expensive material. Bottom line is on PvP servers, you are going to want to go with the Precision Cauldrons. Hands down. What about the Giant's Cauldron for increased crafting speed with no material cost reduction to dragon powder? That would be more situational. For example we are close to the end of raid time, we ran out of bombs, and we need someone to head back to base to craft more bombs with a QUICKNESS. Then use the Giant's cauldron.
@@WikkydGaming The thing is, it's so easy to collect Brimstone now that they changed the nodes to give you five hits instead of two, the reduction in steelfire costs is less important. If I had to choose between building a small base with a improved cauldron and big base to save 25 steelfire, then I'm going small and i'll just farm more brimstone and hides. The precision cauldron is not worth the extra risk.
@Tor Baklund Oh yea I totally forgot about that. Been a while since I have crafted any. @Wikkyd Gaming Thank you very much for that detailed info. Love comments like that! @Troy Costisick I wonder how other solo small hidden base players feel about these stations and their stats.
you trying to tell me you craft more dragon powder than you do alchemic base. I doubt it. And @Vasya Rogov what are you crafting it for in pve? I think I have maybe crafted dragon powder like once in pve.
Also I pvp, just not base go boom pvp. I hate that. Not for me at all. But I fully support those who enjoy it and will work harder at representing you better. Sorry for not giving dragon powder more weight.
They're all like that sadly. Basically outside of fuel consumption and time they're worthless. But being you can fit often multiple work stations in the space one of these work spaces often take up, in many cases you're better off having 2 Improved Cauldrons in my opinion vs 1 of the newer version. Same goes for Smelters in my opinion. They're just not worth it space wise getting the last two smelters. The newer Smelters you can fit 3-4 Improved Smelters in the same space, 8 if you're talking about ceiling height as well being they take up more than 1 floor so imagine 8 Improved smelters operating taking up the same space as 1 Blast Furnace or Fuel efficient Furnace. Tannery, Carpentry, armor and weapon's benches are the only ones I find worth it because they can often cut the resource cost of items in half which is great for arming thralls with good/great gear. Tannery in particular really doesn't take up more space usually than the normal versions, same goes for most of the Carpentry benches. Armor/Weaponsmith Stations sure are bigger but again they don't actually take up dramatically more space, while actually giving you resource saving benefits. I've kind of just gone back to using 4 Improved Furnaces for example vs the larger Furnaces. I can have multiple furnaces doing different task, and Improved Furnaces with Thralls are good enough for 99% of the work you need furnaces for so.
As a PvE only player on an official server, the update 2.1 fucked up my whole planning. I have prepared all the materials for the move from desert to the north and build the new base to house all the stations and stuff from before 2.1. Now I don't have any space left and have to completely redesign my whole base! Of course I don't have material left for that! I think the new stations are complete nonsense, at least from PvE perspective. However thank you FireSpark81 for your videos, they are very helpful!
This economy update is gonna make raiding bases SOOOOO much harder. Edit if they made this change and then still let thrall decrease cost and time this could be an amazing update but as it sits now I kinda don't want this update.
So I'm actually gonna have to correct myself it is the same price on the new bench as it is with purge thrall, I think playing on pc and console is really starting to confuse me haha sorry man
I HATE these oversized pieces of garbage crafting stations that Funcom has forced into game. This is the worst changes Un-Funcom has ever put into the game.
People complain if you build to big but they design the game so you have to take up space to fit everything to begin with. Now we have more stations that are even bigger.
