I have a bike from Waltly Titanium, it is a work of art, the welding is flawless. Been riding the bike for 6 months, by far the best bike I have ever owned. I am 70, so weight of the bike is not a concern for me. I used to ride a 71 Peugeot, this frame is about 3 Km/h faster. I also noticed the shifts are crisper on the Titanium bike. Most likely the last bike I will own.
The titanium bike frame looks great. Maybe a little heavy compared to Litespeed, but still at $1,700 USD, it is too expensive. Can you do a video on buying a good quality aluminum frame from China at a budget/decent/fair price?
Yes was also hoping for it to be a bit lighter but i think at that pricepoint its ok. Unfortunately i m not really a aluminum fan but if i find something that is really at good value i might give it a try 🤜🤛
Interesting, I was considering one of their bikes for a future project. However I’m put off by the weight, that really is extremely heavy for titanium bikes I’m used to? I’m wondering if it’s because it’s a disc bike, even the fork seemed heavy to me at 400g+. Or do you just think it’s the unsophisticated build quality of the Chinese manufacturer? Tubes too thick perhaps? Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this.
Hey Reginald, i think it is due to the thickness of the tubes. But i will be visiting their factory next week so will try to find out more about what would be needed to achieve a lighter build. 🤜🤛
Great Video and frame! I am a bit surprised that there is not really a weight difference btw. your Standert steel frame and the Ti one?! Looking forward to hear your feedback regarding ride differences😊
Thanks a lot. I m also a bit surprised but fine with it. Wonder how companies like Litespeed are making frames that are over 500g lighter without the tubes being super fragile.
Hey, since we’re into Tiranium bike, could you check my latest bike check video that features a steel fixed gear frame that looks nastily like a Tiranium frame 😊
Looks great. Similar weight to my Waltly, although mine has only partial internal routing and a BSA rather than T47 bottom bracket. Mine is also really great - it's coming up on a year old now and I've put over 6000km on it since then with absolutely no issues. Absolutely a blast to ride. Any reason you didn't get any custom graphics on yours? I got some sandblasted custom logos on mine since I figured I was going custom I should really go custom and make it truly mine. Can't wait to see your build video and ride impressions.
Thanks a lot. Very curious to see how it rides and happy to hear the weight seems about normal in regards to what Waltly can do. I didnt go for custom logos as i m considering customization or even partial paint afterwards but want to make sure it fits me well.
Was also hoping it would be a little lighter. But the full build actually turned out pretty good and i already have some more weight tweaks in the making. 🤜🤛
Very nice! Enjoy! My vamoots crd frame was about 1800 in size 58. Final build with Enve 3.4, 30c tires and full ultegra 12 speed was 19.3 pound. Not the lightest but rides amazing.
I also hoped it to be around 1600g but now its the same as my Standert steel bike which i love to ride. So will try to push the weight down with some darimo and carbon crank parts.
@@klein-concept Thanks. I am discussing with Waltly my custom Titanium built with a more endurance geometry. They proposed their carbon fork for integrated routing when I requested the same FSA R55 headset as yours.
Das ist cool und danke immer für deine Videos. aber ich würde gerne wissen, wie hältst du davon, was besser zwischen Waltly und Yoeleo G21 ist. Ich würde eines davon kaufen.
Freu mich auch. Bin gespannt wie er sich fährt. Hehe ne hab keinen laden. Hab die meisten räder die ich nicht wirklich fahre als rahmen eingelagert und nutze sie um freunde in den sport zu holen. Dann als leihrad.
Hi Micha, welches externe T47 benutzt du? Ich baue mir auch gerade ein Titanrad auf (Vpace TRLX), finde es aber relativ schwer ein bezahlbares zu finden. Hast du irgendwelche Ideen? Lg und vllt sehen wir uns ja mal aufm Feld.
Hey, ich hab die von Standert genommen. Kostet glaube 40 euro. Ah super ja erkennen uns dann am rahmen. Bin sobald die sonne wieder da ist sicher öfters dort an fahren.
Gute Idee! Hab mir zum aufbauen erstmal eins von ZTTO bestellt, 13€ sind einfach unschlagbar, aber werde in naher Zukunft upgraden. Danke für den Tipp.
@@klein-concept Yeah, that is a little disappointing. I'm the same height as you and the Litespeed I have is only 1500g. It's a gravel bike, too, so you'd expect it to be a little heavier. I wonder if you could have paid Waltly a little extra for triple butted ti (or double if it's not butted at all).
@@DrTomCruisin top and downtube are actually double butted. I was looking at the litespeed ones but with all the shipping and import taxes it would have been a big investment.
@@klein-concept End of the day I think you made the right choice. Having the exact geo you want and having welds that nice is worth 300g, imo. Like you said, you can do some weight weenie finishes to keep it pretty light as a full build. Looking forward to see what you put together, man.
A custom frame is very cool. But how do you know what you want? Designing a frame is very very complicated. It sure looks like a nice frame, I recently got a Ti frame as well.
Hehe welcome back. It is the most basic finish that comes per default. I didnt go for any graphics as i first wanted to ride the frame before investing more into it. Might add some details afterwards 🫶
That's a porker at over 1800g with double butted tubes. I also thought it would be in the 1600-1700g range. My Waltly frame was just finished last week and gonna receive it shortly. Was contemplating double butting top and seat tubes, but it didn't seem to be worth it for maybe a 100-150g less, so I expect my frame to be in the 1900 range. What's the actual tire clearance on the fork Michael?
I ve seen another youtuber who reported his frame to be around 2kg so i wanted to give double butting a try. Let me know how yours turns out once you receive it. Will let you know the tire clearance in a couple days once i start building.
@@klein-concept I asked Waltly today for the weight of the frame and Sumi (representative I've dealt with) said 1.8kg. That's with no double butted tubes. My frame dimensions and tube diameter: head tube- 150mm & 56mm diameter, down tube- 42mm diameter, top tube- 560mm & 34.9 diameter, seat tube- 540mm & 34.9 diameter, chainstay- 410mm and slightly dropped seat stays. So it seems it would have been in the low 1700g possibly under with double butted tubes. I'm fine with the weight and still think it wouldn't be worth the cost to do butted personally. With the components I have in mind the final weight will be about 7.7kg. Would be happy with that!
Looks pretty nice and clean! Just a bit surprised by the weight…mine was 1685g (but incl. through axle) with same size. Complete build finished today with 7.9 something kg (with bottle cages, Powermeter, same size). Enjoy the build 🙌🏽 looking forward to see the result.
@@klein-concept yes, produced by Waltly (but in their role as OEM) in a small production batch. Just had a look, minus through axle, rear derailleur hanger, seat clamp - it‘s a tad below 1600g. Carbon fork is ca. 390g
@@klein-concept as I remember, we talked about a while ago 😉 I‘m not allowed to say - but by watching my Shorts you see what brand distributes. Full build-up is coming when I have time for a new full vid 😅 currently invest my time to train for upcoming races.
Just uploaded a Shorts - but some changes to the setup will follow (e.g. lightweight Maxxis High Road SL tires, new lightweight seatpost, hillclimb chainrings etc. )
Definitely build this one first, if possible. I'd love to see how the bottom bracket tap and alignment goes for the T47 that you chose and the facing for the hydraulic brakes.
Awesome! That`s the video i`ve been waiting for since you introduced the idea and the design process of ordering a custom ti-bike. I`m now looking forward to receiving my Waltly Gravel frame even more. Went for the bead blasted instead of the brushed finish
As someone with a well loved titanium bike I put over 200k miles on(a SEVEN with couplers), it makes little sense to buy one today. The exception being people NEEDING weird geometry(and wanting less weight than steel) or wanting a touring bike with mounts in very specific locations. My Seven is on lifetime trainer duty now. I even sold the brakes😂 There are few carbon bikes over $4500 that I wouldn't take over my Seven and that's not accounting for inflation...my Seven was about $12,000 in 2006 and would be well over $15,000 today
@@klein-concept ha, my favorite bike(I own) is my 4th Gen Domane. Not the high end. It came with Di2 105 but I'm running 12sp converted Red22 as I don't like how any hydraulic hoods feel, even though hydraulic braking is far superior. It's also about 1.5kg heavier than the Seven but still a significantly better bike. I'd happily take the low end frameset from any of the big manufacturers over my Seven. The cheaper SL8, Supersix, TCR, Cervelo Soloist etc. I'm probably not done buying metal bikes but that's because I like wasting money🫠
Looks really nice! Have you already thought on "how to" compare those frames with each other especially with the steel frame? So, just riding along and compare based on that or will you do some more specific tests to this comparision? Anyway, awesome project :)
Thank you 🫶 and good question. So far i wanted to take it subjective based on ride feel. Lets see if i can come up with anything more scientific. But i might leave the science more up to the pros who know what they are talking about 😂😂
It looks so big. How tall are you? Just let me know. Is this frame "forever", I mean this can't be broken? Years in he future there will be a lot of ti frames available... maybe. ... and bring back the ceramic knife.
Haha sounds like some people miss the ceramic knife 😂😂. In theory this could be a forever bike. Titanium frames can also brake but rather around the welds. As this one is not using super thin tubes and the welds look real good i think this one might last a very long time.
@@klein-concept I just noticed the gigantic head tube and the fully internal routing setup. The weight penalty of big headtubes and T47 BBs for metal frames is significant.
Looks great. I ordered mine and still waiting.. they started building it late March and hoping to get it soon. By the way, did they include the headset bearings for free?
@@klein-concept gotcha. I went with FSA as well to hide the brake lines. I was told by Sumi my frame is done and is now ready to be sandblasted. Can't wait!
I have a Waltly frame too, really well made and rides like a dream. I have the same fork but I have some issues with the brakemounts on the fork. They are not inline and there is a slight buldge between the holes. Which makes the rotor rub. The thru axles that come with the frame are quite heavy. I replaced them with Robert Axle project thru axles.
Glad to hear you made good experiences with Waltly. I dont seem to have the issue on the fork. It seems flat between the brake mounts. Thanks for the tip. I also noticed the heavy axles. Will be swapping them out as well 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept I didn't notice the issue until further inspection after the first 500 kilometers. The caliper is at a slight angle, and the rotor thouches both the pads. Waltly is currently working on a solution. I have done about 1500 kilometers now without any other problems. Do not forget to put copper grease on every aluminium part that makes contact with titanium. F.e. the bottom bracket. Otherwise the materials will corode into each other.
@@basvanleeuwen4502 interesting. Will keep an eye on it during my first ride out. Thank you with the copper paste tip. Added lots to the bb and rear derailleur area. For the rest i used regular grease because i was mainly mounting titanium bolts. Wonder about the headset bearings tho. These are steel i guess so also fine with regular grease? 🤔
@@klein-concept I used a deda DCR headset with steel bearings. I didn't use copper grease as this makes the bearings less smooth. I drop the bearings out of the frame every 1000 kilometers and put them in fresh grease. If I had the opportunity to do it again I would have chosen a Chris King headset with external cups and a Enve cockpit.
