I really struggle with JK and JW. Their bias is painful to watch. Your job as a pundit is to try and provide neutral insight instead of always blowing smoke. Mils on the other hand is pure class 👌🏼
Is it their job to be neutral? I thought this show was for Kiwis, therefore naturally biased towards the ABs. You can watch various rugby shows now on RU-vid and see natural bias for the commentators teams. I like to watch games with neutral commentators, which means I'll seek an English commentary for the final.
@@bernardadams8074the bias I understand but JK and JW are always talking down, totally condescending towards the Springboks in a way that they’re not towards France, the Irish, etc. And that’s hugely irritating. I’m concerned about fatigue for the Boks but if they can exert sufficient pressure on the All Blacks they will fold . I pick the Boks to win, good luck to both teams
if you south africans they always compliment opposition, even the players and coaches, even the players dont celebrate but all blacks they celebrate a lot even against argenntina
Not a single Saffa has called New Zealand underdogs, not one. In fact, Springboks recognizes that New Zealand is going in with the largest opportunity to win.
we are Sans not saffas , the springboks represents over 2 billion africans and over 200 million southern africans , new zealand just represent oceana, and just 20 million people..... the springboks will definately win
Bok fans have a massive respect for the All Blacks. We were the only ones that didn’t write them off in the RWC especially pre that match against Ireland. Facts
Isn't it amazing coming back to this video after we won the world cup, hearing the nonsense these 2 guys spit out 😂😂😂 Mills on the other hand is pure class and knows that nothing is cast in stone.... I've been coming back here only to hear from mills, the other 2 is dragging this show down...
One of the pundits called the Springboks "The next best thing" after France. We've won 3 world cups and the world still doesn't respect Springboks. You will learn.
JK does not love the Boks. Not that it is expected, but a bit more respect for a worthy opponent would not be wrong. Just saying AB is the underdogs when they have performed better than the Boks in their matches leading up to the final is just disinguineous.
The Springboks win a world cup in every decade. 1995; 2007; 2019 There success rate is 100% in RWC Finals. But it all counts for nothing, because Rugby is a game where history is made and not often repeated.
@@daggaboom It means nothing when it comes to predicting the outcome between these 2 awesome team. Making their mark on History is what everyone is playing for.
Yeah, but are they really? Pretty different games (semis), hopefully it is more of a running game than a kicking game, but kicking is safe...and it's a final.
I personally don't believe you can pick a 'favourite to win.' Either side has the ability to win. The first 20 minutes will be huge. I always back the books though.@@bernardadams8074
They both played Ireland and France. Only real diff was Argentina and England who are pretty much on par. Argentina went missing in the semi and in the other England played their best and S.A. their worst.
As a Bokke, I am dam confident that we are match hardened for this big game. We came through hell in this tournament. Win or loose, they are the best team in my own opinion. The semi-final for us were tough, but Rassie has a few players who we last saw in the Pool stages, that could be the difference for us.
Totally agree, SA path to final has made them (even) tougher & will tear the ABs apart..I hope, if only for the pure spectacle of a championship team claiming their fourth title. Clawing their way back to win against England showed their guts for glory🎉 Plus, Uruguay & Argentina were soft games which will count against the ABs in terms of prep for final.
Big difference between march hardened and heavily fatigued. We are heavily fatigued and sure AB have had the easier games but they are battle hardened. We have to make this game ugly and shut them down. This game isn’t a 50/50. The AB’s are a favourite
@@daggaboom I still believe that our chance to win this is huge. It's time for Esterhuisen, Williams & Moodie to step in. They fresh and proved to be great runners of the ball. I think John Klein can will be called to play this weekend.
One thing has become clear during this World Cup. The pundits live in an alternate universe compared to the fans. As a Bok supporter, we see NZ as the favorites.
There's no way that NZ is underdogs, it is 100% the other way around. I don't see how the team with the 80% win rate and more victory over the boks than anyone else can be considered anything but.
But it makes sense that the current Nr1 ranked team in the world are the underdogs ? Also if my memory serves me correctly the last time we played went something like 37-5.
It’s very seldom a team beats the All Blacks two in a row. People also forget that the Twickenham loss was without 4 of your first choice players and red cards. Your loss against France was with losing your Captain just before kick off. Fatigue is a massive issue. That alone puts the Boks as underdogs, never mind missing the best Hooker in world rugby and their first choice winger.
Cards are apart of the game, they lacked discipline on the day and got punished for it. Whos to say that wont happen again ? And if anyone can deal with fatigue its the boks and if the first pack can't the bombsquad sure will. I personally wouldn't say there's an underdog on the day, both teams have a similar chance of coming out on top in my mind depends on who can handle the pressure. However calling the boks the underdogs is wild to me. @@Safainoz
@@robertmarx7901 It's a mindset to help motivate the Boks. Nothing between them, could go either way in my opinion. My fear is a yellow card (or more) for the ABs for something silly.
I am South African I don't believe New Zealand are underdogs. In this game both teams have 80min of potential victory. It will be an epic battle on the day.
Tbf, the ABs outplayed the Boks with 14 men. Missed your chances but full respect from a Saffa. Close but no cigar. If the Boks weren't winning it, it was the AB's, end of!
They just learned that rugby is played on the field, not on the table with a cup of coffee, you can be bias on the table but on the field it's totally different animal. Congratulations 🇿🇦🏆🏆🏆🏆
NZ came into this RWC similar to how SA came in 2019. Adversity, poor run of form till the last 2-3 games leading to the RWC. It really was the same storyline but the Springboks said “hold my beer🍺”, it’s still my movie😎
I don’t think the AB’s got to choose who they play, but hey, let’s sh!t all over it anyhow 🙄. Just stop the bitching and enjoy the game when it comes around or shut up for goodness sake’s
Blame the organisers, they screwed up the pools which had a knock on effect to finals but hey look at it this way atleast we got the best final possible
I can’t believe JK said that game was good. Literally the worst game I’ve seen all year. Not the ABs fault, Argentina just didn’t pitch up. Didn’t this cake say that the NZ vs Italy game was better than Ireland vs SA?? Seeing a significantly weaker team get demolished isn’t amazing to watch. ‘Sir’ seems very insecure…
Clearly you have no clue when it comes to rugby history, in particular with Barnes and the AB’s at world cups. When did South Africans take a leaf out of Englands book, and start whining before kickoff for goodness sake?
Come guys this cannot be the last session , really enjoyed your take on the World Cup games and Jeff’s take on everything,we need a post mortem of the final.Jeff you had quite a bit to say about the Boks ,MILS AND JK were more realistic in my view,would love to hear from Jeff the RUGBY PUNDIT.Come on Jeff we all had to listen to your analysis, very interesting, would love to see you eat you words and let’s analyse what you got right and what you got totally wrong.
Put on the jersey and make it better, or take it off. That is what makes these two teams so unique. Each AB and Bok player knows that the Jersey, the Number and Team are more significant than them.
I don't know how Mills can stand the other three presenters. JK and JW must be fuming about the Bok win. Stay classy Mills even though its tough with those 2 next to you.
Well one thing is Rassie made a mistake by not changing up the team after that massive match against France. It's not just physical fatigue it's mental pressure, it's emotionally draining to do what they have done in this comp. NZ look fresher and much more precise now than at the beginning of the comp where we looked better. Small margins at the top
Dont understand why you want call yourself a underdog low self esteem or do you not believe you can win. Surely in world cup final all that is out of the window anythingh can happen look ar England we were lucky to get the win but we take it luck is on ourside GO BOKKE
Technically Nienaber did say yes we expect to win but it was In response to the press trying to get him and Foster into an inevitable tangle about who the underdog is and Nienaber just wasn't in the mood.With the
These pundits were correct about two things... Discipline & accuracy (that's really what costed NZL the trophy) One missed conversion, one missed penalty, a yellow card before 1st 5 minutes & a red card to their Captain!
Sir. J.J.P. Kirwan "taking someone off in the 35th minute, isn't rugby" Considering the wealth of experience and achievements in the game of rugby, including knighthood and holding two Orders of Merit, it seems rather perplexing to imagine that Sir Kirwan would make a statement as uninformed as that.
Wait till their next discussion, I wonder how many excuses are going to be spat out during the course of their show. The fact that JW and JK have gone missing for almost a month is the funniest thing ever 🤣🤣🤣
Last time I checked, you have to win a quarter and a semi first. Everyone knows that, right? Topping your pool has never guaranteed a spot in the final.
We were actually expecting to lose based on past encounters with AB and the 1 point wins against France with the England game nerve-wrecking.South Africa won on luck,discipline,tactics,power,grit.and yes they can vary theyre playing style between old and modern
I like how they say they only lost at twikenham because they we’re missing 4 of their best players but the springboks played their B team so to speak so what they are saying is useless
JK and JW do not respect any team other than AB. Not all teams can play the same style as AB - it would be boring. They cant accept other styles of play. Its their way or no way.
Fatigue is not an issue for South Africa...why they will also start Jasper Wiese and Faf de Klerk. Etsebeth needed game time and on stats the Boks have actually played little rugby, less than the Kiwi starters, with rotation. Different animal this Saturday. The Boks have not played a single game with the same game plan, they have saved a lot for the final and they will use the Twickenham style. Good luck All Blacks, you are going to need it.
Whether ABs win it or not I’m not sure Fozzie is coach of the year over Jacques just given how innovative SA have been. But one can argue this either way.
