New ZILLION 1000 VS 2020 METANIUM MGL cast BATTLE!!! 

How would you compare your poison glorious to the conquest? Also for bass what rod size would u go, MH or M?

@@MrRednexus I dont have a conquest but the 1st Gen Poison Glorious was a huge disappointment the times I fished it. NRX is levels ahead in sensitivity. The Exprides were noticeably more sensitive. Not sure about the newer PGs though.

@@THEREELTEST thnxs for the feed back

Good video !

My butt is triggered

correct!

Its staying as is because Daiwa knows best lol... and even if I messed with it, it was not going to make up 15+ feet because I was already on the limit.

initial first second the spool letting go the line effected by how much tension u give on spool tension...depend on how much pressure u give swinging the rod and weight of the lure.....too loose then u getting bird nest before lure hit the water....that why that knob is there is the first place...and zero adjusting term just a marketing gimmick....u need to adjust the spool tension knob....

@@wanzhaf932 you’re wrong the adjuster is set to just stop the side to side spool movement, you don’t touch it, the magnetic brakes is all you use. That’s why the spool adjuster is recessed into the frame.

@@jeffreylenz7314 all these know it alls thinking they know better than the company who made the reel lol

NFWay

What if your "target" is 15 feet farther than you can cast with the Zillion?

@@THEREELTEST I don't need to worry in a kayak.

@@leonardbrown1512 the majority of anglers fish from the bank

@@THEREELTEST In Australia 95% of land based anglers use Spin reels. I showed some mates my bfs gear and they had never heard or seen it. Baitcaster reels aren't popular here and it would mainly be people in water craft. My local tackle shop would have say 5 baitcasters on display compared to more than 20 spin reels.

Im starting to think people dont know how to set up SVS infinity for distance casting... maybe Ill make a video on that. But I do admit that after a few years of testing SVS infinity, there are way too many variables and combinations with its braking system the average angler

@@THEREELTEST you should make that video!!!

@@THEREELTEST imo the SVS Infinity is super simple to use and set up. I don't use spool tension most of the time especially for lighter lures and plastics. 2 shoes and around 3 on the dial bomb casts everything without issues. Only rarely do I use 4 shoes ON and that's for weightless plastics or very light lures or if it very windy and I have to cast into the wind

For real and Samsung or iPhone 😂 People just like to push their thoughts on others

Agreed! I keep mine on 4 max! 3-4 but mostly 4. Never 5 though as it seems overbraked for me

He does this every time

Looking forward to your Zillion review brother

Zero adjust on the zillion is just basically tensioner right?

bantam getting old....

If you buy JDM, the Met and new Zillion are almost identical in price. If you buy USDM, you're getting a Zillion made in Thailand, not Japan. It's done specifically so Daiwa could save money on the USDM Zillion.

@@wanzhaf932 it's jarring thinking that 2018 is THREE YEARS AGO isn't it

Looks like Daiwa just raised the price of the new Zillion to $349....exactly the same as the Bantam

Nope, with that lure I was on the limit

Thats true, i can do 5-6 brake on 7-18 gram lure

if you loosen 1 thing you have to tighten up another

Reel

gotta wait till the new one comes out first

I already put $100 down payment on mine

@@bruceksdwilson where at?

@@pewpewrn7565 Japanese tackle. Com

Messing with the spool tension would not have changed the outcome

SV Boost may work... against standard SV reels, just not against SVS Infinity

Nah, they at Diawa already caught (and will continue to catch) the "fish" they wanted.

Do you think that means the metanium dc would be better for our texas coast because of the major changes with wind? I'm trying to decide which shimano reel to get

@@TexasSlamFishing I got rid of the metaniums because I didn't think it was good for our Texas coast. I had the metanium and shallow edition. The Zillion throws the weight range that took using both the shallow and regular met. The metanium is a gorgeous, very refined, high performance reel. It's like a Ferrari, I'm more of a truck guy. I did keep my Curado 150mgl. It is an awesome reel. The metanium barely out casts it in perfect conditions. The Alderberan is the other shimano I still use. I wade and kayak. I don't need tons of line. A small light reel works just fine. I have a Sarge Freebird rod that I use either an Alderberan or Custom Lite on. Whole setup is less than 8oz and does it all. Don't sleep on the Curado 150mgl it can do it all too. It just weights a little more.

@Rainbo Sprinkles cool I have the Lew's custom lite, maybe I'll just stick with that, it's just a little annoying getting backlashes while kayak fishing in a heavy wind. I make sure I'm not casting directly into the wind and I thought the dc might solve that problem

@@TexasSlamFishing it won't. You can tighten down the spool tension knobs or kick up your brakes and get the same results as the IDC5 on the W setting. Keep in mind the Scorpion DC has the same IDC5 chip in in that the Metanium DC has... and it's less than 200 dollars on digitaka. Maybe that would be an option to see if you at least like the DC or it is capable of doing what you want. This winter with our strong winds and constantly changing direction Ive leaned heavily on my zillion and Custom Lite. They've made it very easy when I switch from a Kwiggler ball tail on a 16th to a Corky. I've owned Old 18, Laguna, and waterloo rods fpr a good while. I finally jumped in on a Sarge rod. It's not magic, but it's made as big of a difference as a new reel. I may pick up a Waterloo carbon mag some day, but I'll have a very hard time putting down a Sarge or Laguna ever again.

@Rainbo Sprinkles yes I can tell I'm starting to look at rods now and I'm sure it's because I'm wanting to upgrade my reel

I’ve discovered the same. I usually run it on 5 or occasionally 6. Anything over 6 is choking distance…

Unless throwing light and/or non-aerodynamic lures…

Until a 25 year old abu enters the comp!

Maybe

Which one

Aku rasa kalau dia ejas zero adjuster tu dapat lagi jauh jarak cast.

Rasanya dia ni kalau tak silap memang Shimano fan pun haha

@@amirshahril7890 are you mad? lol

@@THEREELTEST i think he is 😂

Check the lure he is using on the test dude, a small crankbait... Dia setting itu brake supaya tidak backlash waktu cast battle, spot dia cast lapang, angin pasti ade... Metanium internal brake 2, external 6 is heavy brake... Saye je kalo shimano biase 1 internal brake, 2 or 3 external brake.. The Reel Test has did the testing job right,... I used a lot of daiwa reels, but always disappointed... Except the older Tatula SV TW.... The others daiwas? Dissapointing

Its even funnier to see how the Daiwa fanboys react lol

Sounds like something a Daiwa fan boy would say. Just bend the knee to Shimano already… 🙄

Im waiting on the Japanese youtubers to test it out first

Shimano forever!!!!!

With real lures(which is what matters) yep..

To be fair that reel should be against the bantam

@@THEREELTEST yep exactly, i have 3 of the Metanium MGLs and man I love them alot. Its so silky-smooth

@@mikhelbunge890 yes agree

Adjust the zero adjuster based on how you like it and it will cast further

If you bought a USDM Metanium, it has a different spool (150) than the JDM Metanium (70). I can't personally verify that, but it's posted in fishing forums. It sounds like you can buy the JDM spool separately. I guess that's why it's called the Met 150 MGL B in the USDM. I pre-ordered the Zillion SV TW G (USDM) with brass gears as apposed to the Zillion SV TW 1000 (JDM). I'm pretty sure he used the JDM versions in the video.

@@findingthetrackway4875 jdm met is actually called a “100” size but it only holds 10-11 less yards then the 150 met so not much of a difference.

I bought the jdm metanium also and it cannot outcast my zillion, i have all 4 internal braking off and external braking on 2. And braking at 8 on the zillion is way too much braking. The settings on the zillion needs to be adjusted to get the distance out of it.

@@88jbc which zillion?

yuppp

Exactly. Those are set differently by whatever worker handles it. If Daiwa didn’t want you to adjust it - there would be no knob in the first place. It’s meant to be adjusted by the owner to preference AND THEN left alone.

no knob adjustment will make up that 15 ft difference.

From diawa its set by a computer for there optimization its not meant to be adjusted at all says in the diawa instruction but they still allow you to adjust it

with casting plugs SV reels can hold their own sometimes, but with real lures they still have way too much braking force.

No it's still wide like tatulas.

I bet the gears will feel buzzy so check out a brass gear kit. I did that with mine and I think it feels better than my 2020 Metanium.

@@hunterbull7804 my new Curado MGL is a little buzzy too. Aluminum gears?

that reel will still eat up 98% of the reels out today

@@THEREELTEST I'm lucky I got it for this price, it doesn't have a scratch on it, it's in the bubble wrap. It has line on it but it wasn't fished very much. With the new one coming out I'm going to look for these reels. My limit is around $200 for reels. If I can get these for that price I'm going to take it over any $200 reel new on the market

@@hunterbull7804 the reel arrived today it's in perfect condition not a scratch on it. It does feel a bit buzzy but it's still smooth. Has the same buzz as most of my shimano reels. I'm going to run the stock gears until I have an issue. I service my reels regularly and the number one issue with micro module is dirt getting in the gears. Just a little bit can cause slipping. This real looks like someone put line on it, casted a few times and never used it again.

100%

Its staying just like it came from Daiwa, the ones who make the reel and gave the instructions on it.

The fact that you started off by saying you are a shimano user already tells me you aren't. And this is MY channel. I do what I want and say what I want. Nobody has authority here but me. Don't like it? I don't care.

@@THEREELTEST The fact that you replied to my comment saying you don’t care? Means you do care. Lol 😂

you mad?

@@THEREELTEST LOL! You know, I tried both : metanium-20 and aldebaran and stopped on steez/steez ct. And I know a couple of people who did the same. Maybe all of us are mad from your point of view but doing 2-3 fishing per week and choosing steez is a strong argument agains shimano's breaking system.

yes Shimano brakes and spools are very fast and can scare the average Daiwa user.

Daiwa only for me. Everyone else can have Shimano.

You must not know how to fish a Metanium or Shimano reels🤣🤣🤣

@@thechamplainfisher7854 maybe the reels can't take the punishment hahahaha

@@tiotiotiofishing maybe you don’t know how to fish them🤔

The metanium needs upgrade to brass gears. Most guys I know have noisy and grind within a season and upgrade to brass gears and never look back. Makes it a solid performer. Lp in salt where they get dunked has always been a question. I want to see first a300/400 lexa HD and tranx survive a season of sea kayak fishing or real wet surf with only standard fresh water flush as a SW spinner would generally receive. Then we can see how they hold up. Any reel can handle salt if it never gets more than just wet line and good flushing. But went they get splashed by waves or dunked that then shows what it can handle.

@@tonykomer2997 totally agree with the brass gears!

Im going to try to do an Alijos vs Curado 300k comparison when I get the chance

@@THEREELTEST it not a lure I know but with a 2oz sinker I can almost spools it. Few more practices and I’m sure I’ll spool it completely. The Alijos that is.

turned out to be a mild beat down lol

Get the Zillion

We all secretly think ours is better anyway. Can say it doesn't matter though. I've caught my biggest bass on abu or lews, doesn't mean I dont love and prefer fishing my shimanos. It just means I spend more time with the cheaper reels cause I don't mind a few scrateches on those -- and my luck was better on those days lol

Because people like to see which preforms better, long casting translates to easier/better short casting, so this could be important for pitching light lures for example

@@fantomphoenix6170 fair enough. But I've always found distance to be much more dependant on the rod than the reel.

@@Voxguitarsrock I use a tfo tfd power 1 rod, with an slx dc, and the TFO is pretty much a small musky rod to throw 1-2 1/2 oz baits, but I can cast a weightless plastic and empty my spool that has 40lb power pro v2. The reel sets the base line, and the rod is a + or - from that. As well as the line.

@@fantomphoenix6170 good to know. Thank you.

maybe eventually

Your correct, I use 5 and my zillion cast really far. He always leans towards Shimano so you need to filter some things on here.

3 different reels for 3 different purposes, the 70 is for lighter finesse lures, 200 is for all around bass fishing, 300 is for bigger baits and bigger fish

for light lures the MGL. For everything else the DC

Dont buy the Dc. It is a 2015 model that probably will be replaced next year

I dont think the Steez is worth all that money over the Zillion. And definitely the Steez CT is not worth all that money over the new Alphas TW

@@THEREELTEST I bought the new Metanium mgl 2020 71xg and don't like it. I ended up selling her. That's why I want another daiwa. I think I'm going from Zillion. Thank you.

If you like a small reel go with the Alphas SV TW. Its the most comfortable Daiwa Ive ever palmed

shimano for life man, shimano rocks

Daiwa itself ask us not to disturb the tension knob lol. Shimano rocks

@@playmax36 boleh kacau bang. Disarankan jangan kacau je. Bukan tak boleh kacau langsung. Yang setting kat kilang nt pun manusia jugak bukan mesin setting. Try la tanya user2 dalam group daiwa yang pakai zero adjuster mmg dorang ade kacau dan ade tak kacau

@@NashFishingChannel kalau ikut kn pngalaman mancing...mmg akan kcau knob tu..lain lure..lain setting. Tpi mamat ni die buat review ikut manual yg disarankn oleh daiwa sndiri. Mcm tension knob metanium juga..dia ikut apa manual ckp..."eliminate spool play". Kalau ikut manual...video ni lah results die

@@playmax36 sebab nak compare jarak kan lagi bagus ejas zero adjuster tu. Zero adjuster ni marketing scheme je. Basically benda tu tension knob/cast control knob jugak.

Im not... the SV boost may be an advantage over other Daiwa reels but Shimano spools are noticeably faster

Ill do that when the new Scorpion finally comes out

Both have the same weight, and metanium is more expensive than zillion... at least in Japan

wont make a difference. If you cast them side by side you would know... the Met has a much faster, free spinning spool. The lure jumps off the rod different on the Met vs the Zillion.

Why dont you show us first and put it on RU-vid? Using the same lure I used. Ill be waiting

@@THEREELTEST I can’t get mine down to 2 with a very similar crank bait, but I can get my 2020 zillion down to 4, and the right brake just tight enough to take away the spool wobble. In my opinion, 8 seems a little high, and 2 seems a little low. But it may be the rods we are using that is making the difference possibly

@@ryanfujimura8742 I got mine down to 2 not even beeing too careful while casting, tried casting 8g daiwa lure, not as compact as TRT lure, 10g viblure, metalvibe, baitjunkie jigs. I think the SV boost activates when the setting is so low as it probably is "too low", but then it spins freely late in the cast. Tried 8 first but that was WAY too much brake, my buddy ran safely at 4 with all kinds of lures and weights. No wonder the distance sucked in this test.

@@philipwiberg992 4 is my go to setting 80% of the time. And I adjust the right brake just enough to take away the wobble. I love my reel. It reels extremely smooth.. as it should for the price!

@@ryanfujimura8742 Yeah I think that will end up being my go to setting as well, also love the smoothness!

Daiwa recommends that you don't touch the spool tension. So he didn't. Daiwa claims that the zero adjusted tension is the best for casting, so...

@@clariidfisherman3702 Don't care what they recommend. Have many Diawa reels with the zero adjuster and went a year without adjusting the tension knob and then I finally did and I was blown away how much better performance I was getting. There is no reason for not adjusting it. If you don't like where its at just move it back to where the factory had it. They set it too tight from the factory and thats a fact.

I love these videos but I agree. Why not set the spool tension ? At the end of the day two physical properties must be managed. Firstly the acceleration of the spool and secondly the friction between the air and the casting plug. Personally I dial in the centrifugal breaks for the specific lure / rod. Then I play with the spool tension depending on wind conditions etc. Again. I love the videos

@@jimford8512 well I can't comment as I don't have a zero adjuster reel. But as a general rule of thumb I set the spool tension to minimize the sideways play and just fiddle with the brakes. I hardly ever touch the spool tension

@@clariidfisherman3702 I agree, you want to set the tension so theres just a tiny bit of side play in the spool. If you watch his unboxing video, he says there's no play in the spool then says diawa recommends a little bit of play. The entire reason for the zero adjuster is for people that dont know how to use a baitcaster, they would just set the brakes and not the tension and get back lashes so Diawa set it themselves, a little tighter then it should be so people didn't have to mess with it and it would work with all baits. I used my steez for a year then finally decided to adjust the "zero adjuster" and I was literally getting prob 12-15 ft further on my casts, it was ridiculous. I guess I was scared to adjust it because Diawa says to leave it, but its the same as all reels, they just pre set it from the factory.

Lol 😂

The JDM Met 20 he used can be bought mostly everywhere for $300. New Zillion is $380-400 offered in Japan only atm.

In Japan they are about the same price.