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NEWGARDEN EDGES ERICSSON! An Uneducated Brit's Review of the 2023 Indy 500 

Aidan Millward
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Indycar did an F1. But when Indycar does it, it seems to be less convoluted and making it up as it goes along, since the Indy 500 has finished with close finishes and one lap sprints without the intervention.
Indycar managed to do it with just enough time remaining, and set up a one lap shootout that meant that the crowds got an ending they'll talk about, and the race finished within the advertised 500 miles.
But will Indycar have to re-think a couple of things?
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@jimmyrecendiz4940
@jimmyrecendiz4940 Год назад
Aidan's made the big time. He got an Allstate sponsorship. Congratulations
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Год назад
I'm in good hands (tm)
@theoddstrokesswimmingvideo1314
Accent sounds like you could be from the Northern Mid-West
@odnamsrazor2364
@odnamsrazor2364 Год назад
@@theoddstrokesswimmingvideo1314 eh, not really. Minnesnowta, ND and WI have large Scandy / German influences in pronunciation. Yoopers sound mostly Canuckistani.
@adventuresofabbott4374
@adventuresofabbott4374 Год назад
@@odnamsrazor2364 throw some Polish in there too for the Wisco drawl
@tylerensminger
@tylerensminger Год назад
Honestly this would be something I could see Farmers covering. They usually love to show off their unusual coverages
@xxteddy7208
@xxteddy7208 Год назад
I was on the edge of my seat for those final laps and was absolutely elated to see Josef Newgarden win after 12 tries.
@SpaceHCowboy
@SpaceHCowboy Год назад
Same. So glad he won it.
@TheFinalMeowntdown
@TheFinalMeowntdown Год назад
But the way it happened…
@TheFarCobra
@TheFarCobra Год назад
I would have been happy for any of the 4 to win. Repeat would have been cool … American running for AJ. Foyt too… newgarden first time … black arrow McLaren … any of those would have been good to see.
@SpaceHCowboy
@SpaceHCowboy Год назад
@@TheFinalMeowntdown Not the most conventional finish, I also agree.. But, what was it the bold Vin Diesel said "winnings winning". And if that was me, I'd be looking at my bank balance smiling today.
@xxteddy7208
@xxteddy7208 Год назад
@@SpaceHCowboy Indeed man.
@matthewlawrenson3628
@matthewlawrenson3628 Год назад
Watching the 500 yesterday, I thought "Well, this isn't ideal but there really isn't any other way to get it done." When you watch Indy, you sort of know that the desperation moves will start around Lap 185 or so, which brings cautions and more desperation on the restart. If it had finished behind the pace car - there would have been complaints from the usual sources there as well. At least the race was won on the track inside the race distance, even if the circumstances were "suboptimal", as it were.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Год назад
If the desperation crashes were at the front, then you'd understand. But racing for 19th as if it's the final corner of the final lap?
@matthewlawrenson3628
@matthewlawrenson3628 Год назад
@@AidanMillward Prize money and kudos, I guess. When the field is bunched up after a yellow, there's always opportunities to pass lots of cars and gain places. And some drivers have better judgement than others...
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
@@AidanMillward Don't forget than unlike 90% of race series out there, there's teams that only race at Indy or Daytona if you're NASCAR. It would be like F1 adding 13 drivers from F2 or F3 to run Monaco.
@Nitron2097
@Nitron2097 Год назад
@@AidanMillward That's because the leaders were packing the field up and at Indy you can pass as soon as they throw the green. There's no restart zone. And if you look at older Indy 500s, the drivers kept distance because they knew that could happen. But now they pack them into a train of cars and as soon as the restart happens it's mayhem.
@r.j.carleton4233
@r.j.carleton4233 Год назад
Seeing a wheel flying over the grandstand scared me. Hopefully Indycar looks at the wheel tethers to see if there's anything that can be improved on the cars
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Год назад
Had Villeneuve Suzuka 96 vibes
@kodycrabb5820
@kodycrabb5820 Год назад
Had Michigan 98 vibes. That should have served as a sobering reminder to race control about what’s actually at stake here, human lives. If it had ended after the O’Ward crash behind the safety car nothing changes except the repair bill, and the race ends a hell of a lot earlier. I’d like to also add some context about racing culture in America you might find helpful (not trying to be a dick Aiden. You do an awesome job). Having done some karting here, and watch a ton of Indy and nascar over the last 30 years it’s typically self policing, With the exception of the most egregious cases. All time classic race, and race control allowed it to spiral into a shit show. This isn’t nascar, or F1 for that matter. These cars crash like small aircraft. The show need to take a back seat to making sure everyone makes it home in one piece.
@TheChrisD
@TheChrisD Год назад
The tethers exist and were already strengthened this year as a matter of fact. Issue is that you can have as many tethers as you want but it's not going to help when your left-rear suspension get sheared off the car entirely from an obscure angle impact with another moving tyre.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Год назад
@@TheChrisD Bo Bichette would have been proud of the home run scored by that tyre.
@whoasked9500
@whoasked9500 Год назад
part of me believes it was a freak accident tbh usually the thethers have gotten so strong that they never break like that this was the wrong circumstances at the wrong time
@randydubin7118
@randydubin7118 Год назад
Actually, Castroneves won back to back in 2001 and 2002. He should had won in 2003, but The Captain decided to play team orders (something he'd swear he'll never do) just so Gil De Ferran could win the 500 in his final year as a driver.
@dxfifa
@dxfifa Год назад
That 2002 race was disgusting, First Giaffone was blocked by Franchitti while Dario was a lap down when he was going to take the lead, then Tracy passed Helio as the yellow came out but was clearly ahead when everyone realised it was yellow
@mcbeaulieu
@mcbeaulieu Год назад
​@@dxfifa as a Canadian that's quite hard to forget, as much as it was heartbreaking back then 😢
@grooviefan
@grooviefan Год назад
Can you prove this story about Penske ???
@jimries625
@jimries625 Год назад
@@grooviefan good pt😊
@manuelmanterola7070
@manuelmanterola7070 Год назад
"i just bet on the wrong one of the bus bros" made me laugh out loud, what a race we had, shame that there arent any more superspeedways on the indycar calendar (and not that many ovals either apart from iowa and gateway)
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
Texas is going to be make or break in the next couple of years. Iowa and Gateway have cracked out to promote oval races to get people to show up, and this year's Texas race showed how to make a good race on that track (a little extra downforce and an entire practice session to add rubber to the PJ1 "traction" compound so it works). I'd love to see the Nashville race move to Nashville Speedway, but sadly they're just going to build another track somewhere else downtown since they current "track" is being destroyed for stadium upgrades.
@brianthomas7037
@brianthomas7037 Год назад
I was sitting in turn 2 and that tire flew right over my head. Exciting stuff.
@nickklavdianos5136
@nickklavdianos5136 Год назад
Oh no, a tyre....!
@danielssonsgarage
@danielssonsgarage Год назад
Yeah, holy fuck. imagine if that tire went into the public
@GregBrownsWorldORacing
@GregBrownsWorldORacing Год назад
First the F-16s, now a tire? This shit's getting closer all the time!
@ivertranes2516
@ivertranes2516 Год назад
Not just a tire, either. That was the whole hub and wheel! That would have killed someone if it landed in the crowd.
@danielssonsgarage
@danielssonsgarage Год назад
@@ivertranes2516 no shit
@kekolber868
@kekolber868 Год назад
Terrific race, cartoonish ending aside. IndyCar has been the life of the party. Lots of momentum shifts so far this season.
@BSNFabricating
@BSNFabricating Год назад
The thing with the 2020 finish -- for one thing, that was the COVID 500, in August with no fans in the stands, and they started it way too late in the day. When Spencer Pigot hit the end of the pit wall, the damage would take time to repair, for what would probably be three or four laps of green flag racing in fading daylight. The other times it's ended under caution in recent years, it has been too late to get it restarted. In 2012 and 2022 there was a crash on the last lap, no time for a restart if they wanted to. 2011, when JR Hildebrand crashed in the last corner of the last lap, they TECHNICALLY threw the caution, even though it was about a quarter mile from the finish. 2002, 2010, 2013, and going back to 1988 and '89, it was an incident with two laps to go or less (and back in the '80s, people didn't whine about races ending under caution). And 2004 and 2007, the race was shortened by rain.
@RRaquello
@RRaquello Год назад
If they're cheating for the Americans they're doing a lousy job of it since Newgarden is the first American to win since 2016. I think what it is is other racing series are following the NASCAR playbook of, "This is just a TV show. We're not even going to pretend it's a sport any more." Also, there's a tradition at Indy of the officials screwing up. But I love the idea that, with all its snooty fans, F1 is following the lead of NASCAR in its race management and results arranging. It seems to be a case of "Hate the Americans, but do what they do anyway."
@mrterp04
@mrterp04 Год назад
Pretty wild that in over 100 races there’s only been five back-to-back winners (and no three times in a row)
@_Mandolorian
@_Mandolorian Год назад
that shows that its competitive
@davidaugustofc2574
@davidaugustofc2574 Год назад
With one of these races happening per year, I'm not sure how one would conclude it's very competitive. Especially because both car setup and aerodynamics were basically guessing and testing for the majority of racing history (with reliability also being a major limitation 'till more recent times). There were a few geniuses here and there that truly knew what they were doing, but it was still very random, that's why it's mixed.
@EricBurns1
@EricBurns1 Год назад
@@davidaugustofc2574 The difference is that the entire month is spent at Indianapolis so there's a lot of time to figure out how to get a car working if you are starting below average compared to others. Penske was pretty mid until final practice and Callum Ilott got basically no practice time before qualifying because they switched to a backup car and he finished 12th. Then you have teams like CGR and ECR which always have rocket ships for the 500 and didn't need to make many changes to their cars (ex: VeeKay for ECR has an average starting position of 3.0)
@lordshaxx2165
@lordshaxx2165 Год назад
Palou comming back after that crash in the pits with Veekay was great to see, I was rooting for him to win it but I guess they ran out of laps
@EricBurns1
@EricBurns1 Год назад
As an American I was rooting for Ferrucci because 1) that livery is amazing and 2) every European hates him 🤣
@de-fault_de-fault
@de-fault_de-fault Год назад
I’m open to a yellow finish, as it happens sometimes and that’s fine. But I think we can’t forget in this case that Ericsson took the lead from Newgarden on the lap 197 restart and it’s pretty obvious Newgarden was told yellow over his radio and braked sooner than the other contenders, as 4 cars actually passed him (all but Ericsson had to give the positions back for the restart, presumably based on a review of when exactly the official call was made). But finishing from there under the yellow would have handed Ericsson an advantage, since he’d grabbed the lead amidst the chaos and now no one would have a chance to challenge him. Fair to the letter of the law, but kind of a cheap way to win. I guess what I’m saying is whether you did another restart or not, either Ericsson or Newgarden would have been left with a reason to be miffed. So the officials were in a no-win situation. I think at that point letting something on track decide the outcome, even if it is just a one-lap shootout, seems the most fair. Imagine how much less controversial 2002 (oh and yeah Castroneves ba k to back wins weee 2001 and 2002, not 2003(. would have been if Tracy and Castroneves got to race one more lap instead of having the race decided by a close call on who should line up first behind the safety car.
@theoddstrokesswimmingvideo1314
As a long time US racing fan, I wasn't opposed to the first two Red Flags. They had enough time to clear the track, warm up the cars a restart safely. I'll agree with Ericsson that the last crash inside 4 laps to go should have caused the race to finish under caution. They did one lap under yellow and then shot into the pits,and then did a 3/4 of a lap warm-up before a mad dash for the win. If going with a red flag they should ensure there is at least a full lap warm up period to make sure tires (tyres) are up to temp. It was dangerous. Sending fatigued, adrenaline fueled, drivers on a one lap dash for cash on cold tires,while entertaining, is a recipe of disaster. While it worked out in this case and there were major risks and foolhardy heroics into turn 1, that's not to say if they try it again that you won't end up with a massive pile up circa the start of the 1966 Indy 500.
@ratdog9950
@ratdog9950 Год назад
they had plenty of time to warm the tires. its a long track
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
In a video I posted in my comment, Ericcson's complaint about tires not being up to temperature is rubbish. Everyone had 2 miles to get everything warmed up and temps were basically the same as when the started the Indy 500 on Lap 1. At a place like Iowa or Gateway, that's a big issue.
@charliepalmer3244
@charliepalmer3244 Год назад
Before watching this, I want to make a statement: As a die hard Indy fan, I was SCREAMING at the tv for the race NOT to end on a yellow. (No thought was put in at all, just reaction......)
@Boamonster1
@Boamonster1 Год назад
Was it really worth it getting all those extra cars destroyed that otherwise would've finished in one piece though?
@ericheick7044
@ericheick7044 Год назад
​@@Boamonster1 yes
@charliepalmer3244
@charliepalmer3244 Год назад
That was just my reaction at that momt in time..... No thought put in, just adrenaline...
@nickklavdianos5136
@nickklavdianos5136 Год назад
@@Boamonster1 I mean given that in all those incidents the track was littered with debris and wrecked cars, red flag was the right move in general.
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
I'm neutral on red flag vs ending on yellow, but as long as the red freezes everything and teams can't fiddle with their cars, I'm OK with it.
@CrunchyMotorsport
@CrunchyMotorsport Год назад
Those last 20 laps were pure Indy, absolutely beautiful
@nibv6996
@nibv6996 Год назад
interesting info if you care that is: In the broadcast when the commentators were talking about the restart with one lap to go Danica Patrick (one of the three side commentators) said that when she was in Motegi in 2008 her Japanese visa said "Entertainer" rather than "Athlete". She suggested that might explain why they do what they do.
@legoferrari14
@legoferrari14 Год назад
Oh for fuck... "Sports Entertainment" gives genuine competitive sport a bad name. This trend of f"force a green finish" is starting to WWE-ify motorsports the world over.
@ZontarDow
@ZontarDow Год назад
It should be remembered that racing culture in Japan is very different from many other countries, with SuperGT having a winner's ballast to slow them down in the next race and their rules explicitly existing to maximise entertainment rather then a fair race.
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
@@legoferrari14 Cus D'Amato drilled the same thing into all the fighters he coached. Yes it's a sport, but it's also entertainment. As long as the red flag is a true freeze, the teams cannot tweak anything on their cars, and the race does not extend past the final lap agreed and scheduled, I'm OK with this. I'm also fine with it ending on a yellow, too. Once you violate that, then you're in NASCAR/WWE Sports "Entertainment" territory.
@ratdog9950
@ratdog9950 Год назад
Danica is not a smart person
@donathandorko
@donathandorko Год назад
This is the great dilemma of the Indy 500. We all love Indycar, but face it, the whole series is based around this one race (the best race in the world IMO). I'm a big advocate of not finishing races under yellow, when possible. But this race, more than any other, spells danger in the last 10 laps. to effectively make this a shootout of 11 laps, then 6 laps, then 2 laps (or whatever it was), in a race of this magnitude, is playing a game of chess with death itself. Pato's crash was evidence of that and he was lucky not be in Robert Wickens' situation right now. The weaving, meh, I don't mind, although 2 years in a row it has become a bit mad when the lead car aims for the pitwall divider, but hey.... Look I don't like the direction motorsport is going regarding throwing the baby out with the bathwater and the epic scenes of Newgarden running into the crowd will forever be embedded in my love of motorsport, but I really think Marcus should have been crossing that yard of bricks under yellow. Like I said, it is a dilemma.
@ratdog9950
@ratdog9950 Год назад
why should ericsson win because he was lucky enough to be in second when he crashed pato out of the race
@tmpendergrass
@tmpendergrass Год назад
minor correction, it was Spencer pigot that hit the end of the pit wall. Keep up the great content. Thanks Aidan
@i_millward4365
@i_millward4365 Год назад
I just loved the "I'm a Walsall fan" comment. You've made your dad proud. The podcast was ok as well
@nickes6168
@nickes6168 Год назад
Hearing you do a spot on Canadian accent really set me back. I wasn't expecting that.
@ro3521
@ro3521 Год назад
A couple thoughts about it: 1- I am totally against overtime at Indy for three reasons: - It's the Indianapolis 500. Not the Indianapolis 505, 510 or 512,5. It's the Indy 500. - The Indy 500 is already dangerous enough without having to resort to overtimes. This Isn't NASCAR. You can't keep pushing until a bad accident happens. -Even if we had overtime rules, that's no guarantee that the race will end on green flag. The benefits don't compensate the risk. 2- About the swerving, it's time for IndyCar to establish a commitment line at the frontstretch: if you cross the dotted line, you MUST enter the pit lane.
@Nitron2097
@Nitron2097 Год назад
Agree on all points. And I'd like to add minimum following distance on restarts, like 150 feet minimum. The crashes happen because they pack the field up like a train and they swerve all over the place. Are the starting rows eight feet apart? No, they're like 100 feet apart, because any closer and they all go flying into the fence in turn one.
@The2x4King
@The2x4King Год назад
"- It's the Indianapolis 500. Not the Indianapolis 505, 510 or 512,5. It's the Indy 500." EXCEPT if your name is Jacques Villeneuve lol.
@ianwynne764
@ianwynne764 Год назад
Hello Aidan: Thank you for this. It gave me a good laugh.
@smedley6444
@smedley6444 Год назад
After falling asleep during the F1, Indy 500 was amazing!
@maxb148
@maxb148 Год назад
Ericsson did run off the track coming out of turn 2 so I think if Ericsson can do that then Newgarden can also go down into the pit entry. I am also confused why it took them so long to throw the reds during the race, the first time took 6 laps under the SC, then on the second to last restart they took an extra lap under SC to throw the red which if they did it straight away would have left time for the extra warmup lap after a red flag with the 1 lap shoot out still going ahead so less dangerous.
@TheChrisD
@TheChrisD Год назад
The first red and associated cautions was lengthened because of a yellow-flag pit cycle for RHR, Ilott and Canapino. Third red couldn't be called until the entire field was under the control of the pace car, which didn't really happen in time to stop in the pits immediately.
@Turtytreeandaturd
@Turtytreeandaturd Год назад
Few over for the race. Unbelievable race.. Spoke to some race regulars, they agreed with the red flag ending
@hugoagogo9435
@hugoagogo9435 Год назад
That was first Indy 500 I’ve watched. Don’t know why it took me so long. Was fantastic to watch. Ok a bit American but still it’s really not over till the chequered flag
@djvycious
@djvycious Год назад
Hearing you speak with a Canadian accent. It's dead on good, but uncanny. It's definitely better than I can do a British accent.
@ror312gallery19
@ror312gallery19 2 месяца назад
restating the last lap of the indy 500 in the pit lane, from a cold start to throwing the green flag without any warm up time for tires and engines is completely insane. this had never been done before in over 100 years of running, so for me, over 59 years race fan, i lost all respect for the 500. i will watch indy again, but i have lost credence in all major corporate forms of racing in the last 20 years. i only follow historic, vintage racing now. thank you for looking at this race and you are the only one i have heard say exactly what happened and how silly and obviously dangerous to ALL this last lap dash was. cheers from italy, robert
@johndonnelly6450
@johndonnelly6450 Год назад
For an uneducated Brit, you nailed it. There needs to be at least 2 green laps to the finish, on oval restarts the leader is a sitting duck. Give him a lap to attempt to get it back. I've been watching/attending the 500 for 55 years, this was a pretty good race for 180 laps.
@mlgordita
@mlgordita Год назад
Sponsor spot was sorely spot-on accurate. Well done haha
@donaldschumaker
@donaldschumaker Год назад
I was there with my daughter and the way the race got amped up as it got closer to the end was epic (she now is a fan). The pit road antics on the first couple cautions alone made for great race theater, but then the first red dropped. The thing is, the decisions for the red flags were quick. No dithering about. Everyone lined up in the pit lane. The marshals sorted out any hiccups in the order and on the first red they released the lapped drivers to let them circle around to the back. They gave a 3 minute warning and away you went. For those last 20 or so laps, we were standing. Everyone was standing. Word of advice to those F1 drivers asking for A rolling start, be careful what you ask for. It really makes no difference. The first corner is going to be madness regardless.
@charamia9402
@charamia9402 Год назад
As an uneducated Norwegian with little to no patience for ovals but trying to give it a shot - that was one hell of a fiery climax! Thoroughly enjoyed myself although the drivers I support hit the wall one after the other. Oh well, as a Ferrari fan I'm numb to heartache 😅
@AeroGuy07
@AeroGuy07 Год назад
Raise your hand if you're old to remember when Helio had a hyphen in his last name.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Год назад
Doesn't it translate to Newcastle or something?
@senna3
@senna3 Год назад
Back when he ran for Hogan
@Gordanovich02
@Gordanovich02 Год назад
*raises hand*
@fantasticgobble
@fantasticgobble Год назад
I love that fact that you're bringing attention to all forms of motorsport. F1 is great. It's my absolute favorite, but i grew up with NASCAR and ovals deserve more respect world wide.
@D_Sprole
@D_Sprole Год назад
Was absolutely fantastic
@malman7741
@malman7741 Год назад
as a swede, it was a total heart break in the last 50 laps, first fros crash, then the chaos that followed.
@minibus9
@minibus9 Год назад
awesome video
@AC_702
@AC_702 Год назад
I like Ericsson, but he's really got to check himself since he did like the way F1 ended its season in 2021. If he wasn’t upset with how they completely chucked the rulebook in Abu Dhabi, he really is standing in quicksand when Indy FOLLOWS its rulebook and it cost him a win.
@scsutton1
@scsutton1 Год назад
Any chance of an in-depth look at when the BTCC finale was held at Silverstone in the dark around 2000?
@petersouthernboy6327
@petersouthernboy6327 Год назад
The last ten laps of the Indy 500 are always CRAZY
@libertyholroyd9031
@libertyholroyd9031 Год назад
Great video! 😂
@martinpullen99
@martinpullen99 Год назад
Random Mick Foley reference. Instant like 😂
@jamesbraun9842
@jamesbraun9842 Год назад
"I'm mayhem and right now I'm a tire that just came off the race car and landed on your cars windshield, switch to All-State to avoid mayhem like me".
@The2x4King
@The2x4King Год назад
There's around 350,000 reasons that 2020 finished under yellow and they did everything under the sun to make sure yesterday didn't (besides the fact that track damage would taken hours to repair and daylight was running out). And as someone who was in attendance, the throwing of that 3rd reg flag was a VERY popular call for those in attendance.
Год назад
ok aidan, you gotta put that out there, you got ad talk future xd
@fabiosemino2214
@fabiosemino2214 Год назад
First Indy 500 for me, I watched it based on your previous video and was not disappointed.
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
Stick around for the rest of the series. While Indy is my favorite racing series, I'm not going to pretend that there aren't things that F1 does better. However, for "race day," I don't think anyone does it better, and to win the championship, a driver has to be able to drive on a street circuits, road courses, short ovals, and superspeedways. I wish it was more like CART and there was multiple chassis and engine manufacturers along with constant improvements like in F1, there's not the money for that yet. Until then, I'm really happy with the current product.
@grojas1694
@grojas1694 Год назад
Quick note, Castroneves’ consecutive wins were in 2001-2002.
@BSNFabricating
@BSNFabricating Год назад
Of course Paul Tracy might still not agree that Helio won in 2002...
@grojas1694
@grojas1694 Год назад
@@BSNFabricating fair point.
@davidbarker8354
@davidbarker8354 Год назад
This idea of ending on green flags, whether in F1 or Indycar, is why I state that nascar has irrevocably damaged motorsports. They don't have to follow nascar's overtime rule, but it's convinced people that they need gimmicks.
@chasefollett4107
@chasefollett4107 Год назад
I am a Indy500 expert and I will say that was pretty egregious using the pit entry, I can see tougher enforcement moving forward.
@michaeldesrosier1068
@michaeldesrosier1068 Год назад
In actuality, they threw the red the final time because they werent sure they were going to be able to sort out the field fast enough to get it right before the race was over.
@strredwolf
@strredwolf Год назад
More like Farmers Insurance. "We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. WE ARE FARMERS! BAH-ba-ba-bop-bop-BAH-BAH-BAH!" At least the gal who's car got smashed was invited to kiss the bricks on track and got a ride home at the behest of the race track's president.
@SkywalkerGLM
@SkywalkerGLM Год назад
As far as the weaving and pitlane entry: they have spotters to tell them where cars are so if someone was entering the pits they should know. Also it was a one lap last lap shootout so no chance of cars being there. That said, it’s not an issue till it’s an issue.
@JTeam45
@JTeam45 Год назад
I think I agree with Ericsson here as well as that I agree with the slide at 5:35 . I feel like racers get looked at differently from every other sportsman. No one turns up to a football or basketball game, and points at the players and say, "They're here for *my* entertainment. The game *must* end in a spectacular overtime finish every game so we, the fans, get our money's worth!" but they do to racing drivers, when the drivers are the same as those ball players. They're not there for the fan's entertainment, they're competing for the prize at the end. Fans need to check their expectations at the door, and have the knowledge that it might not be a shootout to the finish, and the director shouldn't be trying to make it so.
@tnarg27
@tnarg27 Год назад
Same aiden had money on scotty mac was soo close to putting some on newgarden too! 😢
@johnedwards230
@johnedwards230 Год назад
I think you could argue warmup laps after a red flag should not count to the race distance. The only issue is the fuel. The warm up laps before the green at the start don't count to the race
@Nitron2097
@Nitron2097 Год назад
Local short tracks in the US typically have 100 lap feature races that don't count caution laps with 25 or less to go. Problem with this is if you allow the field to pack up, you get all kinds of crashes and the last however-many-laps take five hours like in NASCAR. No one will ever be totally happy. My point is the series has to be responsible about it and not put the drivers in a position to go flying into the fence in flames for "the show."
@paulseifert6598
@paulseifert6598 Год назад
There's no way to end a race, let alone a marquee one, that pleases everyone if a string of mishaps, well, pile up in the last 3 - 5 laps. If it ends under caution, the fans and everyone who had to literally just follow the leader to the finish will complain it wasn't fun or fair. If it ends in a green-white-checker or some other such mad dash, and someone flubs the restart, they'll complain it wasn't fair. There's no formula that will make everyone go home happy. The way I see it, the rules for the race are known beforehand, including what will happen if there's a caution in the closing laps. If you start the race, you agree to those conditions. (An opinion that likewise, probably doesn't please everyone) .
@Nitron2097
@Nitron2097 Год назад
Solid take
@AlistairMaxwell77
@AlistairMaxwell77 Год назад
indycar stated before the race they would not enforce the put lane separator line in the last laps , so they went for it .
@house382
@house382 Год назад
Once the Firestone hit the Cruze, this became a chairs and ladders WWE event.
@alexandermacdonald499
@alexandermacdonald499 Год назад
Here in the US anything goes on the last lap. That’s how most series are officiated here
@tedzehnder961
@tedzehnder961 Год назад
The weaving is not to block but is the guy in front trying to break the slipstream or "draft" from the car behind. At those speeds the car following gets extra speed this way.
@benstutley2904
@benstutley2904 Год назад
Hi Aidan, I watch all your vids, but it's my first time dropping a comment,; I just watched the Indy 500 highlights & you were my first point of call for a balanced opinion after what I saw... I've worked in a fair few pitlanes in UK & EU, & obviously you keep your wits about you, but came away thinking Indy's pitroad is a rather rough workplace! do the tyres need to be scrubbed & reach temp within & before they even leave the box? then seeing rear wheels flying between grandstands got me clutching pearls like 'what about the children?' Gearing up to watch the TT & understand motorsport is dangerous, but guess my old bones don't expect to see punters & mechanics dying these days ... All the best & appreciate your work! :)
@odnamsrazor2364
@odnamsrazor2364 Год назад
even in oval track, there are large differences between the different disciplines. you will notice that few Indycar drivers can handle stock cars at an elite level. and there's big differences between asphalt and dirt.
@WillHest
@WillHest Год назад
As a non US-er. I wasn’t a fan of this situation. Whoever is in first is screwed and only having 2/3 of a warm up lap felt dangerous. If it was a reduced warm up lap for a 2 lap shoot out I’d feel less disappointed. In footballing terms it sort of feels like 5 minutes to go a team is 0-1 down. One of the winning teams subs punches a loosing teams subs, so the loosing team gets a penalty but it counts a 2 goals and while the ref was sorting all this out we’re over 90 minutes played, no time will be added on so the penalty will be the last kick of the game. Maybe I’ve gone a bit overboard but you catch my drift.
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
In the Marshall Pruett video I posted elsewhere, the tire temps and pressures on the restart were the same as when they started Lap 1. At a shorter oval like Iowa or Gateway, that would be a legitimate issue.
@americanpride9733
@americanpride9733 Год назад
The biggest thing with the weaving is hes not throwing blocks, hes trying to not let the guy behind to catch a draft. If he was blocking the whole time he would probably get black flagged
@Moe-ow3nl
@Moe-ow3nl Год назад
They had been doing it all race
@saber-jocky3436
@saber-jocky3436 Год назад
The spotters are more important than the mirrors at ovals.
@hemanths3877
@hemanths3877 Год назад
3:30🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@cee128d
@cee128d Год назад
My only problem with the finish and last restart is why did they wait so long to throw the red flag? That cost them one lap for the restart. Aside from that, I have no problem with it, and in fact wish they did it more often. Anything is better than that fiasco they had at Surfer's Paradise in 2002 during the CART years where it rained so hard the entire race they ran under yellow the entire time (maybe one or two green flag laps at one point), and the only passes for position were when someone made a pit stop. The winner was determined by who gambled to make the first pit stop and cycled up thru the pack into the lead to get the checkered flag. All because the race was on public roads and they couldn't hold the race the next day do to them needing to open the roads up to Monday morning traffic and International travel logistics. Now that was a complete shambles and never should have been allowed.
@harinandansrikanth451
@harinandansrikanth451 Год назад
May be they thought debris might blow tires? Typically it does take until the next lap under yellow to decide to go red, unless it’s a really bad crash like Kirkwood/Rosenqvist.
@cee128d
@cee128d Год назад
@@harinandansrikanth451 They knew within seconds that they wouldn't be able to clean the track to a safe enough level within the amount of Yellow Flag laps and with enough time to red flag the race with another lap available. So debris blowing tires had absolutely nothing to do with it. They just waited too long to decide.
@harinandansrikanth451
@harinandansrikanth451 Год назад
@@cee128d I’m just basing this off of last year’s red flag at the very end, when Jimmie Johnson hit the wall. They started yellow and didn’t go red until the next lap, just like this year. Maybe they want ground crew to get to the scene and confirm the situation on the ground just to be absolutely sure.
@cee128d
@cee128d Год назад
@@harinandansrikanth451 And they screwed that up as well. If you are in the closing laps like those two examples you absolutely need to make the decision ASAP, not wait and think about it.
@middleclassthrash
@middleclassthrash Год назад
I just want an explanation of why Palou's restart was waved-off.
@insertcolorherehawk3761
@insertcolorherehawk3761 Год назад
He was starting the field too slow
@middleclassthrash
@middleclassthrash Год назад
@@insertcolorherehawk3761 What's the minimum speed? What was his speed?
@erikheijden9828
@erikheijden9828 Год назад
Because behind him other drivers had jumpstarts. Palou did nothing wrong.
@idriscorvus2237
@idriscorvus2237 Год назад
The chat went apeshit during this whole race
@dcsoda1
@dcsoda1 Год назад
I’d have been fine with it ending under yellow after Pato’s crash. Newgarden made a great move that would have been a fitting ending. Ending after that joke of a restart when Ericsson took the lead would have been awful though. The lap hadn’t even really started and having to analyze who’s ahead at halfway down the front straight would’ve been bad.
@cosmostrek2001
@cosmostrek2001 Год назад
the dragon move is legal to try and break the draft. they said it was legal and nothing would be enforced. there are wheel tethers, but the crash was at 225 mph and ripped the whole wheel housing off. there is a tether on the front wing so it will not go flying if it is ripped off.
@souldry
@souldry Год назад
I got no problem with it, let ‘em race till the end.
@VonBlade
@VonBlade Год назад
First couple, fair enough, last red was clearly nonsense. It just missed "No chance in hell" playing.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Год назад
Joining Mr Penske’s kiss my ass club.
@xxteddy7208
@xxteddy7208 Год назад
​@@AidanMillward 😂
@weatherfan1925
@weatherfan1925 Год назад
I don't mind a race ending under yellow I thought it was going to. We do have draws in the NFL, but it's rare. MLS has draws.
@tommywilson2984
@tommywilson2984 Год назад
hey aidan i wanted to ask is there somewhere i can suggest a video idea about a person in motorsports
@36_Midfield
@36_Midfield Год назад
I think people that wanted the race to end under yellow are just coping. Every single person that watches a race wants to see it end under green. Every single driver that doesn't benefit from it wants to see it end under green. Most teams want to see it end under green. From F1 to V8 Supercars to Nascar. Everyone wants to see a good race end with a good finish.
@basher20
@basher20 Год назад
The way the rule is worded has that wonderfully ambiguous "may" clause in the penalty section. If the driver leaves track bounds to overtake a car for position, the penalty is to give the position back or a drive-through penalty will be assessed, moving to end of the lap if the penalty is issued in the last three laps and is not served before the race is completed. If a driver leaves the track bounds to defend a position, the stewards MAY assess a penalty. In this case, since both drivers clearly left the track bounds and crossed into the pit entrance as defined by the commitment line, the stewards opted for a no-call and let the finish stand.
@TrzaGoesHard
@TrzaGoesHard Год назад
If this race happened 10 years ago there is a good chance Josef just wins under yellow with 7 laps to go.
@jonathanstensberg
@jonathanstensberg Год назад
Something needs to be done on the front straight to prevent drivers from weaving below the pit wall attenuator. 230mph straight into that thing is a recipe for death.
@IPooopdogl
@IPooopdogl Год назад
In my opinion, make driving under the white line between the exit of T4 and the finish line illegal unless your pitting. Make it a drive though penalty for breaking the rule.
@darthconquerus
@darthconquerus Год назад
The title’s a bit ‘know what I mean, say no more’ 😄
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Год назад
It's like when they say that "Birmingham have pegged back against Reading" on Final Score.
@darthconquerus
@darthconquerus Год назад
@@AidanMillward lucky them!
@xXDiggityDawgXx
@xXDiggityDawgXx Год назад
THAT NORTH AMERICAN ACCENT 😭😭😭🤌🏼
@glasair38sr
@glasair38sr Год назад
Never have understood how Brits can all do a flawless ‘Murican accent, and just as many of us couldn’t do a proper English accent to save our lives.
@EricBurns1
@EricBurns1 Год назад
It's only the Indy 500 that will get red flags at the end of the race. If it was any other track it would finish under yellow. 2020 ended under yellow because it would've taken way too long to fix the attenuator barrier that was hit. That was the right call. For this, they should've thrown the red immediately instead of getting down that far on laps to go and then throwing it.
@gordonwallin2368
@gordonwallin2368 Год назад
I've heard all my friends saying for decades, that "Indy's boring-cars just going around in circles." (Even though, the F1 cars race on "ciruits ' from, the word "circle" However, the shear speed of the Indycars for 500 miles-800+kilometres of concentration, must be equal to the F1 drivers at Monaco. But the Yanks are happy, an American won with a Chevy engined car, in the heartland of the US, the third largest country on earth. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of the earth's Second largest country,Canada.
@gordonwallin2368
@gordonwallin2368 Год назад
Good Canadian accent by the way.
@KR1736
@KR1736 Год назад
The 3 red flags was a little much for me. And the snaking is getting a little dangerous. But until it's outlawed it is what it is
@Batters56
@Batters56 Год назад
I think you stopped because of comment toxicity which is totally understandable, but I’d love to see the occasional F1 race debrief too. I miss them.
@FNTM2k3
@FNTM2k3 Год назад
If there’s 3 to go, let them race. Anything less, and it ends under caution or pace/safety car. No more standing restarts with a lap or two to go, because then, it’ll be Australia GP all over again, in every series that does race restarts with a lap left.
@foreverinteriors
@foreverinteriors Год назад
I'm pretty sure half the engineers at Indy are British. You therefore have all the right in the world to comment
@stuartbrewer1207
@stuartbrewer1207 Год назад
It’s a shame a few people lost their heads in the the last 8th of the race.
@kerrychhim9983
@kerrychhim9983 Год назад
The Lady's car who got hit by the tire got to kiss the bricks after the race. Here is a quick interview of her ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IoFrVBXgIiE.html
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Год назад
Seen cars get hit by cricket balls but never a flying tyre.
@bshoke
@bshoke Год назад
The weaving to break the draft goes way way back but with the modern speeds and aero they are taking it to an extreme, Indy car is probably going to have to put an out of bounds line or move the entry to before turn 3 and have the wall extended all the way around for safety. As for the red flags the first 2 were 100% ok in my opinion but the last one they could have done without unless they come up with waving the yellow and red at the same time to signal drivers straight to the pits and then sort out the order while stopped and then have the pace car lead them out warm the tires and restart.
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Год назад
Or have the f1 rule where it’s one to defend and then back. But that means that the guy in front is only ever going to lose out, and on a one lap sprint the guy in second is virtually guaranteed to win.
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
Don't forget that F1 has Interlagos where it's nearly impossible to hit the apex and not be inside the beginning of the pit lane marks at the last turn. It's not like there's no precedent in the racing world for that.
@Mysterion157
@Mysterion157 Год назад
The race should've ended under caution after Pato crashed. Funny how these things are all about tradition until you might not get a finish you can play on the commercials
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
They ended under yellow a couple of years ago when Oliver Askew took out the pit lane attenuator. When they examined the damage and learned it was going to take an hour to fix, they ended under yellow.
@Mysterion157
@Mysterion157 Год назад
@@danielhenderson8316 The point is that they usually throw the yellow and then if the cleanup takes too long then it takes too long. It was unnecessary to red flag it after the Pato crash but even more so for the wreck coming to green directly after. An insult to the race and everything that makes it great
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
@@Mysterion157 Don't you mean it's an insult to you? For it to be an insult to the race, rules would have to be changed and/or ignored for this to happen when nothing of the sort did.
@Mysterion157
@Mysterion157 Год назад
@@danielhenderson8316 pretty sure they’ve never done a single pace lap for a restart. That’s simply unprecedented
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
@@Mysterion157 If this was Iowa or Gateway, I'd agree with you, but at Indy, that pace lap is 2.5 miles. If you can't get your equipment back to temp and pressure, that's a driver problem as opposed to a Race Control issue. I also have no problem if a rule is made that a red flag can only be thrown if there are X number of laps left. As long as the rules were followed and not made up like Abu Dhabi 2021, it being unprecedented isn't the same as illegal.
@marklittle8805
@marklittle8805 Год назад
It was a wild last 20 laps. But it is how competitive Indycar is that drives the conflict and drama. Indycar doesnt need gimmicks or a Netflix series. The racing is close and no quarter is given. I would have to say knowing how the series has always been officiated that the outcome we got with all the red flags really isnt a shock. Ericsson can whine about it but had he been in victory lane with the milk nothing would have been said. Oh and the weaving near the attenuator? I suspect there is going to be a change in the rules but It hasnt happened yet. Drivers are gonna be stupid...they need to be protected from their own worst impulses
@MJW59
@MJW59 Год назад
I would love to hear your take on a theory that I have. I think there's some unintended consequences with the safest cars now that are promoting moves that you wouldn't dare otherwise try back in the day. Example, TKs 220mph grass excursion and O'Wards T3 pass attempt. Some of the stuff I'm seeing looks like a video game with no consequences. Is there such a thing as cars/tracks being too safe?
@DJDouglasWarden
@DJDouglasWarden Год назад
and I think he went for it in the turn three but that was a dumb move cuz he took himself out. and trust me I'm a huge part of fan I've been following him since he was in Indy lights.Pato knew he fucked up on the restart. but at the end you know everybody's going for itand eventually they'll be a bad one.luck of the draw. the law of averages will balance out. especially with some of the crashes that have already taken place and they're not been too many major injuries. that's all beenthat's a great point. with the arrow screen I'm sure they feel a lot more confident
@StarkRaven59
@StarkRaven59 Год назад
Personally, and this is just me, I feel like the 2-3 post-restart crashes should have sealed it and they should have finished under yellow. I understand the reasons for finishing under green, but I think that one or two laps is simply not enough race time under green and skews the results, as in this case. It also has a good chance of resulting in yet another crash because everyone has to get their moves in in a much shorter time frame.
@ChefBourgeoisie
@ChefBourgeoisie Год назад
It was a make it up as we go restart with 1 lap left. Should've just ended under yellow there cause the endless red flags to make it finish under green is more boring.
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
No it wasn't. It's not the first time they've thrown reds on any IndyCar race. All 4 of Marcus Ericcson's IndyCar wins have come from the result of throwing a red. If you want to make a rule where there's a minimum number of laps for a red to be thrown, that's fine, but no rules were broken.
@liamcaswell2118
@liamcaswell2118 Год назад
My problem with the finish is that, much like F1 did in the end to the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, Indycar broke their own rules to get that restart. Never since I've started watching Indycar has there been a red flag followed by just an out lap and a sprint to the finish. Never had any of the commentators seen it happen either. Nor the drivers. There must always be at least two yellow laps after a red flag at Indy to make sure the tires are properly warmed up and to make necessary checks and procedures. There is no problem with a one lap sprint in the 500, but there is every problem with claiming to be a legitimate racing series and then breaking your own procedures mid-race just because it might be more 'exciting' that way. In my honest opinion, American sports fans need to get over themselves about their incessant need for every moment ever to be a storybook ending. It's tiring to see outrage when the better driver wins, or outrage when the underdog loses out because they simply didn't have the pace, or in the case of Indy 2020, outrage that the rules of the race were followed. Sometimes, races can't have satisfying endings. Trying to replace those unsatisfying endings with farcical ones just robs drivers that have worked their asses off for 3 hours of the finish they earned by the rules of the race.
@ratdog9950
@ratdog9950 Год назад
they didn't break their own rules. learn what you are talking about before you go on a tirade insulting others
@danielhenderson8316
@danielhenderson8316 Год назад
Yep. There no rule limiting how many laps can be left to throw a red flag. No procedures or rules were broken and the red flag only FROZE the race in every aspect. Per IndyCar rules, no work was allowed to be done during the red flag so everybody was in the same situation.
@420Impeller
@420Impeller Год назад
Pretty sure I read yesterday in the rule book it says they are actually allowed to go straight to green from a red flag restart with no warm up or pace car laps before hand. Probably should change the rule on safety grounds.
@ratdog9950
@ratdog9950 Год назад
@@420Impeller The reason they have flexibility is because at a track like Indy the track exiting pit lane and going to the S/F line is long enough that they have plenty of time to warm their tires for the restart
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