thanks dan, with another prop it sounds better. but i had no time to test all that today. i will show that in next videos. glad to see you come to check newest upload! couldnt have a better result. everything works so perfect now
Very cool project! I can't wait to see the in depth results. EPPG is for sure the future and I can't wait to see the next battery tech revolution making it even more feasible.
cheers mate! we are almost there. even now its already very good in my opinion since i dont need flight times over 3 hours or something. i keep pushing. but first i go see cory run now. 😆☝🏻
Very nice dude! I’m loving all the EPPG stuff coming out. When I’m a little older and tired of trying to work on two strokes, batteries will be the way
Tim, If you add an aerodynamic ring around the propeller, the thrust will increase and the noise will decrease. Something similar to a propeller is a fan.
Congratulations on the new electric paramotor build, Panda! From the temperature readings of the motor and ESC, it's clear that this unit is exceptional and promising. You can feel more than safe to take flight with such indicators. I knew from the beginning that you were destined to succeed 🙂
two things, put your handles on your magnets when your not using them and have your battery as low as possible to help compensate the twitchy torque you have.
i wasnt flying. and his ability to use smooth throttle isnt there yet. new software is already done and now we can set 4 different throttle response levels to get that twitchyness under control. but good point thanks mate!
@@clubsnapperuk oh and dropping batteries i made a system for that already but its heavy and add like 4kg. most peoplel dont want that and since the battery packs have a very low chance of suddenly burst into flames for no reason i am pretty sure its fine. but yes eventually we will make that. i will cut into this topic on my next video! cheers mate.
awww the honor! cheers bill for checking by again. whoooah wait until you see what i just finished installing. everybody gonna love this i am sure haha! try shoot a video tomorrow or tuesday.
Dude, just amazing. That prop seems to be so out is makes gas motor sounds. I would look at balancing it which is relatively easy. In your case the prop might be of material not rigid enough for the task.
its the props shape which makes it louder. they are balanced and strong enough. but i prefer eprops more i think. less noise. more thrust. i got like 15 different propellers here.
same here... but i try get some more test flights in as soon as possible. video still rendering. would you care about a full walk-around kinda video with all functions details explained? or is that too boring?
remind me again when you see a video where i say its ready. cheers for checking by mate. weather taking its sweet time to get better and we had no chance to fly last months
thats whats build in! how do you know? it also can be adjusted in roll and pitch. in case you want install it on a trike. or if you are a pro pilot the entire function can be also turned off. for flight schools this will be a nice feature to have for their first training flights. if a student fall down or turtle the motor shuts off even the panic push throttle to max. no wing lines will be shred that day. avery i am happy to see you checking by! how are you?
@@cloudpandarism2627 I'm tired mate! Just rebuilt the engine on my paramotor and replaced the motor in my car. Excited to try something electric for a change hahaha
@@AveryFlies i can relate. after my moster185 nightmare i was so done with gasoline. the same second i flew electric first time it felt like redemption. suddenly everything was so easy. i had much more power, 8kg less weight to carry and all vibrations are gone. i will never fly gasoline again ever. just done integrating high power strobes 😄 oh you gonna love this as aviation enthusiast... nice heli ride by the way!
@@cloudpandarism2627 A common student mistake is to lean forward while running, pushing themselves into the ground with the thrust. Just a silly idea, but if you have "tilt sensor" already, you could make a loud beep when leaned forward while adding power - even before detecting actual fall.
@@thecrazybird interesting idea i will check if thats something we can implement easy. if you run there is also alot motion going on and i am unsure if that triggers the gyro sensor. we need to test it first.
Interesting. the video leaves out the most interesting stuff though. We want to know battery weight and kwh, thats the only way to compare to sp140. 45 min flight time doesnt say much since its so dependent on glider and flying style. However this looks really promising, keep up the good work. I saw in the comments that you was afraid people would think a specification video without flying would be boring. Dont worry about that, we who has been flying for a while is so sic of watching paramotorvideos where they just fly around without context😄
ah cheers mate. yes after posting so many videos where i mention the battery size i simply forgot. that being said i also thought we can just take the sp140 pack and compare that directly. but that seems to be off for some reason. different motor, different efficiency. different props, weight blabla. the battery you see in this video here is 24s 100v 30Ah. or 2.7kwh at 11kg i think? and the flights we did before were more or less 35-45min depending on how you fly, what wing, weather etc. but here is the thing: with the ultra light weight prototype i build and much smaller motor we reached a flight time on the beach with a 24m wing of 35 minutes. battery pack barely 2kwh (7.7kg pack weight). total take off weight is 19kg so far which will be less in the future. so if we just take kwh and throw a flight time in the room we can be off by a fair bit. i will post unedited videos in the future where i put the unit on a scale to show the weight. show battery and display, then take off for an uncut flight. join me on the next tests if you like. i am also excited to see the results.
@@cloudpandarism2627 thank you for quick response. You need to go commersial with this, ive been waiting for years for an e-ppg that has reasonable weight and this might be it! Sp140 is just to heavy imo. This is the first video ive seen from you but i subbed and gonna follow this project with big eyes!👏
@@rickardjonsson4526 cheers mate. the sp140 is a fantastic unit and i dont wanna bash on it. i develop for almost 3 years and alot more cool stuff is coming when you love lightweight. since we already got a sp140 sized ppg i tried to go a different route. check out some other recent videos where the guy throw it over his shoulder like a backpack. was never possible before. and let me know your biggest questions about this. i love to hear other pilots opinions. i will listen to every comment here and improve the parts they mentioned before. any questions, ideas, whatever is on your mind. let me know. what would be the perfect EPPG in your mind? and be realistic. dont say 10kg, 5 hours flight time 😂 i dare you!
@@cloudpandarism2627 allright here it goes! The perfect eppg would ofc be 20kg and 3 hour flight time:D But as of right now i would be happy with 1 hour FUN flights at around 30kg and 1,5 hours if just cruising trimmed in. I would also want to be able to ditch the battery in flight in case of fire, like an emergency handle to pull that releases the battery and let it hang 5m below by a wire so it doesnt drop in someones head.
Awesome! Are you finding a better glide engine off with the brake engaged? Ive experienced on RC that a windmilling propellor can add a lot of drag. Also keen to hear about what cells you are using in your battery. Cheers.
haha yes the spinner have absolute no reason but its kinda my thing.🤪 the face plant protection is a new feature i developed with the ESC factory. a gyro inside the display have roll and pitch settings. there is a menu where you can set the angle to whatever you want. if the pilot slip and fall down on launch the first thing most people donis putting their hands out to stop the fall right? and whats in the hand ready to go full power accidently? the throttle. the gyro will recognize if he trips and fall, cutting power to the motor and slam an emergency brake on so if the glider with all lines start to fall onto the pilot with the motor at full power on it will not result in a crazy expensive failure where the wing is shredded and prop broken. same goes for trikes. usually they tip over sideways. angle can be changed to roll in that case with the same function. at launch or landings a small mishap will stay a small mishap and not end up in a huge clusterfrock disaster because somebody squeeze throttle on impact and go full power accidently. "but what if pilots are professional and dont want this?" i hear you say? simple. the entire function can be turned off as well.
Is the frame from een special brand or just made for you? i love too see that you want to make a succes of this. I will follow it al the way 👍@@cloudpandarism2627
@@gsmwestland2388 its a no name brand. there are shops here in china you can just contact and give the welder a drawing. with that he will make any parts you want. same goes for CNC shops and carbon fiber stuff. their work is often not perfect but for prototyping its more than enough. later i hope we can produce higher quality frames according to what i think is good. what parts you talking about i try improve? everything on a paramotor should be done already. my vision is to create a nice product. lights build in. using the wing as reflector for example because thats the part people will see from miles away. integrated USB charger for action cams. mounting points for those cameras. integrated flotation device. you name it. its all in my head and i try to build a new type of PPG where you just plug battery in and go to fly. no hassle installing these tiny battery powered LED strobes nobody can see after 100 meters or other stuff. in my opinion that should all be inside. same goes for batteries. the modular system i made will hold any type or shape. you dont want buy my batteries because you can get 6s lipo packs from your local shop very cheap? fine! strap them together for a 4x 6s battery to have 24s. set that battery capacity up in my display and off you go to fly. pilot have no mood to carry a heavy unit today? good, take the motor plate off with 3 screws, install the lightweight motor, the smallest 35 minute lithium pack i made and reduce weight to under 20kg ready to fly. set the display to that battery and limit the current for some extra flight time. or add a second battery on the bottom and connect them together to 1 big 70 min battery pack with the included adapter plug for cross country flying. install a high power medium sized 45 min battery with the biggest motor plate on for some acro and insane thrust to play around with friends. everything will be modular and can be swapped with different parts. what do you think about those ideas? gimmicky toys or legit useful? i am not sure yet and wanna talk to pilots all around the world what they think about those ideas in my mind.
@@cloudpandarism2627 I mean with that you improve the parts, the remote throttle you improve, the battery pack you are thinking about the weight and the safty. Do want to sell the paramotor when it's finished?
Have you tried playing with different pitches of props? With our geiger eppgs we tested 13° to be the most efficient with 3blade 125cm Props. Also are you planning on building a frame to receive 150cm Props? Good stuff! Cheers from Germany
moin jungs, ja klar ich hab hier bestimmt 20 verschiedene props zu liegen aber alles unter 140cm ist immer weniger flugzeit. der jetzige rahmen kann 145cm props aufnehmen aber 150 ist geplant. wir haben zwar einen prüfstand aber das wird umgebaut auf was besseres. habt ihr irgendwelche ergebnisse online? oder fotos? würde ich gern mal sehen falls das nicht alles top secret ist. freut mich das ihr vorbei schaut und meine arbeit gut findet. bin immer happy andere begeisterte zu treffen. 😄
also a great comment! here is what i found in tests: while gasoline engines will be loud at all angles i saw EPPGs are very different depending on where you are. if you stand in front or directly behind the noise is louder. but if you start walk around a running EPPG it gets almost silent when you reach the side. same goes for a flying EPPG. a pilot flying away from you will be louder. when he is directly above you almost silent and flying towards you usually same because the motor is at low RPM or off for landing. a 3 blade prop will have more thrust, less vibration and the noise is at a higher pitch which makes it seem to be a bit more quiet. but actually the 2 blade prop is less noisy. i almost prefer that for flying myself. the deep low pitched rumble at lower throttle is very very comfortable on the ears.
Only second time with an e-paramotor and with a prototype and doing this dangerous low flying and also over water... is he stupid or didn't he get ANY training?!? But the motor looks really good. Congratz on a good job.
oh maybe you misunderstood. he is a long time pilot. airplane, helicopter, paramotor. i just meant the jerky throttle movement is because he isnt used to right hand remote and in addition to that gasoline PPG feels very sluggish so it looks a bit twitchy. flying over water is a different story. i told him to not do that and treat this thing like it might shut off any second. what can i say? he agreed to not fly near water yet here we are... appreciate your feedback tho 🤪🫡
@@mrsonor1090 always happy to read real comments. some of them are rude but they are right. when we sat in car i explained him all details and told him how to fly. and then he threw all that overboard after launch and did what he want. what can i say... 😂 i agree with you.
@@cloudpandarism2627 I fly a 32” prop - 90 frame it’s the size I can handle nicely and have fun with. After more research I can see that the battery’s are little too inadequate for my liking. So sticking to my MiniMot-G2 for the moment.
@@cloudpandarism2627 from what I have read, DJI batteries are very well regarded...and have a built in battery management system available...will look forward to more info in the future.
look closer. its a waterproof hallsensor throttle with dedicated wireless connection which can be bind to any unit and not interfere with others. build in cruise control and remote strobe light button.
@@user-wo6zt1hf9q sure. you can buy this exact throttle from maytech and install a small BEC for powering it up. i tested it with moster185 before and it works very well compared with metal geared powerful servos.
uuuuh! this is an excellent question and i shall put that on top of my list for the next Q&A video! the lightweight prototype i build ready to fly around 19kg right now i would consider as a ATOM80 style unit. but there is a difference. while an atom80 puts out around 45-49kg thrust on a prop most people fly with this combo, my unit will have 55-65kg peak thrust. but thats not continuous as long as you like. if you adjust your mind a bit how to fly electric you will use that peak thrust only occasionally for fun or in a tricky situation where you need it to get out of a dangerous situation. jumping a tree or sudden powerlines that kind of stuff. but you are talking about this video and i would answer 250 to 280ccm engine level. my moster 185 with a 130 prop had around 70-73kg thrust while this EPPG with the biggest motor can throw around 90kg plus at the pilot. also for short bursts only. that means 10-20 sec of spaceshuttle hardcore climbing. this thing goes like a elevator on speed. innever felt such crazy climbrate before. with the new temperature sensor inside the motor the pilot can basically hold throttle wide open which wasnt possible before because the motor would burn. now the ESC will reduce power a bit to prevent that. in my other video i climbed to 550 meter while holding 90% throttle almost the entire time and that was on a very sluggish ENA wing. brute forced my way up. no problem with the motor. summing it up: this one 280ccm smaller lightweight unit 80-100ccm
i am 170kg all up include gear and can fly so easy now. much more power than moster185. flight times are from 35min with the lightest battery. around 19kg ready to take off. up to 2 hours or more. we still testing. so 2 people can fly tandem on this.
@@cloudpandarism2627 I guess I am just the opposite. I would love to see how the frame goes together, the workings of the hand controller, the connection of the motor to the frame, swing arm set-up, the weight of the unit, and so on. I think many people would love it and you can always edit in some flying to break things up. I have a channel where I review paragliding gear I use and the most views are on the detailed stuff. Thanks again.