WOW! So interesting. Good job! Looks like a lot of fun to fly it. I can not grasp the work involved to manufacture this but I can tell there MUST be a lot to juggle between functionality and safety while introducing a whole new version of a product. Awesome, really awesome!
i know what's your feeling man.. my first flight way more bad than yours.. i'm disorientations in 8,5Km, lost signal at betwen high voltage electric tower in arround 2,5Km from home cause i fly in another way and my signal blocked, and then my goggles full black..😢 that's my first flight of long range, and that's my third attemp of flying FPV drones.. i'm lucky cause my signal back and i can land and get my drone back😅
after that my bad experience, before i fly i always open google earth and i try to get "check point" with terrain mark or anything else.. so when gps error i still have a chance to going back to home point. and next tips is, belive in your distance, not just directions🤙🏽
Hey Panda, I hope the testing is going smoothly! I bet it’s the calm before the storm-soon enough, you’ll be launching your paramotor unit into the skies and wowing everyone. 😄 I can’t wait to test it out myself; it’s going to be amazing! Thanks so much for giving me the chance to try it. If you ever need help with distribution in Europe, count me in! I’m excited to be part of your journey.
cheers mate, yes i am testing alot. only some boring things not worth showing. but progress for sure. and yes when time comes you will get one and be the dealer in your area. 😗 thanks for the random message and kind words
Cheers! Glad to hear that things are moving along, even if it’s the less exciting parts of testing. It all counts towards getting the perfect product out there! Thanks for the opportunity and for considering me for the role. Looking forward to the next steps and can't wait to see how everything turns out! Take care.
Tim, If you add an aerodynamic ring around the propeller, the thrust will increase and the noise will decrease. Something similar to a propeller is a fan.
I absolutely love the idea. This would be my go to paramotor for just cruising around area. My typical flights are somewhere 35-65min. Recently I found out, that I really enjoy low and slow flying, total chill. I did some 2 hour XCs for a while but quickly got bored. Do you will be selling motor systems only for DIY build? (Motor, ESC, throttle, battery etc.) Also I have one question, can warm weather increase possibility of fire? Maybe dumb question, just curious.
@@mrvaain cheers mate, yes i also love to just hover around the beach and jump some trees there. will sell and working on it. if you wanna DIY i alao sell some parts from prototypes i dont need anymore. and no warm weather wont cause fire. i had the pack up to like 50 or 60C on the high altitude flight. no worries i get the same question alot and also working on something to ease pilots minds 🤣🫡
Great product, best of luck to you on the market. Inflatable cushions for safe landing on the water would also be a good idea. Also a red button for disconnecting all power circuits, like on modern German electric gliders.
automatic floatation devices are standard for water landings and i use them of course. that red button is not needed because we dont use 400V like in HP gliders. thanks for the comment!
Guten Tag Panda. Exellent light weith paramotor. It would be great to create version for Charge&Fly with folding propeller that changes angle 90 degrees and has two positions, folded for carrying and normal for flying. The built-in "Type 2" port will allow charging from any EV charging station.
@cloudpandarism2627 Guten Tag Panda . Great job! Exellent EV paramotor! Also be sure to install a firewall to protect the pilot, sheet of aerogel 10 mm is a good idea,or better yet, the ability to disconnect the battery and even safer to be able to jettison down to the ground in case of fire. It would also be useful to be able to charge from a car charging station, preferably a CSS2 port for European pilots and 2 USB ports for charging a phone or tablet..
@@cloudpandarism2627 thanks for your reply😊 i’m curious about flight performance and duration for higher altitude flights at least up to 1200ft. Because where i fly we are not (really) allowed to fly low over terrain unless for start and landing due noise complains. We normally climb to +\-500 to 1200 foot in the area i fly. And also when do you suspect to get a product out on the market to order? I’m very done with my para trouble engine and looking to get into EPPG.
cheers mate. so flight time with smallest battery around half hour. biggest battery should be at least 90 min or more. need test but weather was terrible last months.
Thanks for your answer guy’s most of my flights are below 90 minutes so that would be good for me, but usually i’ll climb to 500/100 ft for my flights and i do fly a fast wing so am wondering how it performs for those conditions. Currently flying a corsair black devil with a lot of power. I have flown a OpenPPG sp140 with the 4kw battery, but i only get 40 minuten out of that so that is not worth it for me yet… hope the batteries keep evolving to more power to weight ratio.
@@arjankars5819 if you fly faster wings and treat an EPPG same as PPG the benefits you get flying electric wont be that big. of course you can always strap a bigger battery on but there is a limit what most people are ready to carry. a fast wing and playful flying style will problably not give you 90 min. but i think a solid hour with a bigger battery pack, lets say 4.7kwh, should be realistic and not adding too much weight. i also flew a blackdevil before. it was smooth and nice but not enough thrust for me. i will try get more tests done as soon i can
cheers mate, uuhm that was an older generation DJI cell pack i think. less weight, bit less power, much more capacity and double the price of a "normal" lithium pack.
Hi! I have a custom setup i have built with mad motor do you sell your throttle controller? I would love something like that! Please let me know from one builder to another happy flying!
Hi Tim, At the end your showing stats as 1hour flight time. For 35kg big battery. At 13:01 The last landing display was showing 00:28:51 minutes running time, I think. Would you be so kind and explain how you got an hour with display at 28mins? Please.
cheers mate, so the time you see right beside the battery gauge is counting reverse. means if you hold trottle lets say at cruise for leveled flight this timer will tell you how many minutes you have left at this power until the battery is empty. its an old display and this is usually used as battery caulometer for solar battery setup in your camper van or house. if you turn on things there this timer tells you hh:mm:ss you got left until battery is empty. its not a timer for how long we flew. 🫡 pilot used low throttle at landing and the displays last calculation shows that he could have flown 28 more minutes at that low throttle
That’s incredible. Thank you so much for explaining that. The same function is in Mercedes - you can see by the way you are driving how many klms with the fuel you have you can reach. Great stuff. Thanks
Awesome! Are you finding a better glide engine off with the brake engaged? Ive experienced on RC that a windmilling propellor can add a lot of drag. Also keen to hear about what cells you are using in your battery. Cheers.
Super - what size is the frame? Would it be possible to run the same set up with a 90cm frame with swing arms. That’s what paragliding pilots are looking for. Compact, paragliding feel for tight turns and acro fun style.
och! jay ich dachte du sprichst nur english haha! ja ich bin aus berlin. lebe aber hier in china. das video ist alt! hab meinen ganzen benzin motor schrott verkauft und fliege nur noch elektrisch! 😘
Great job. Love the hum of motor. Good elevation. I love to see you do an elevation test can it go 1000m how long does it take and whats the battery at 1000m. Also more info on weight and battery, options charge time.
i was tired with my way too small ENA which feels like a wet towel at this size. the spyder is super light. ok it rips when you just look at it funny but overall i am so much more happy with it. finally i can flare and not just continue to tank down. was weird feeling and need time to get used to for sure. so touchy compared to a ENA. talking about oscillations. how to make it stop? any advice?`each time i counter they stop for a second and than everything becomes a playground swing again haha
@@cloudpandarism2627 So you were at top of your EN A weight range for the size, I see. So in practice your EN A glider has less pendulum effect than this B. I'm in P1 school, I work with a big A glider. Best of luck, thanks for not flying like a barnstormer.
@@RoofAndAMeal4UsAll barnstormer? ok not gonna lie that a first for me haha! yes i was far over the max weight limit of my ENA which made it fast AND difficult to handle. no flare energy left on landings. difficult to launch and land. all disadvantages at once. the spyder 3 is fast but also much easier to fly
As a long time rc plane and drone pilot/builder with growing intrest in paramotors and a background in electronics and programming I have always had interest in DIY EPPG. Will any of your electronics/programming be open source or is this project a commercial pursuit? Will you be doing any build vlogs or writeups on the build process and where you sourced your components? Thanks for the inspiration!
cheers mate! always happy to see other enthusiasts for this. i am not a youtuber or vlogger. so maybe no build vlogs. but all parts i use and develop for the prototypes are available to buy right now. maybe i will make a kind of simple tutorial for the hardcore DIY community with a link where i can help order parts directly from factory. not sure yet. they are not open source and i am going a another approach than openppg as example. i dont wanna copy them and try to be different to not step on anybody's toes. i hope i can make it to market with my own design this summer or autumn
That's awesome brother! I'll be excited for any help in finding where you sourced your batteries, motor and electronics from. Will you be selling just your wireless throttle/speed control setup separate from the rest of the kit?
Fantastic job! Just started Paramotor training and will be shopping for a motor this Spring. I have been looking at the SP140, but I love what you are doing with battery modularity. (Genius!) Please let me know when you have a product ready for market… 🍻
cheers mate! lots of new stuff is in progress. i try be on market this summer. you will see any progress here. weather is insanity over the last months but i hope it will clear up next month and i can show more news. thanks for the kind words. let me know what the perfect EPPG would be in your eyes. any ideas, questions... i listen very careful to other pilots and integrate good functions as we are coming along with this journey
@@cloudpandarism2627 I would be happy with 45 minutes of flight time with affordable batteries so that I could have at least 2 batteries (charging one while flying one) I like your idea of faceplant protection! Also, the stopping the prop vertically to reduce drag is a great idea. The big benefit I see in going electric (besides reliability), is the ability to glide silently (Ridge soar?) and power up when needed! I am 80 kg, so I am probably a candidate for your larger motor… Very excited to see your finished product… 🍻
@@RikToffen i see you know what you are talking about. the main idea is to have a set when i start sell it. i want 2 batteries included. 2x 30min packs.so the pilot can either choose to fly ultra lightweight for half hour or add another battery for longer flight time but having the benefit of more power and more flight time and with that also more weight. OR you can fly one pack while charging the other pack same time. since charging time is around 20-30 min only you can land. swap packs and go back up. like that people can fly the entire day instead of just flying one time and then wait for 4-6 hours for that single pack to be recharged. i am not sure yet how much of this will make it to production but i try to do it as planned. FPP mode is good for beginner or the occasionally mishap where you accidentally bump throttle while motor is sitting on ground. after you get better this feature can be turned off if pilot choose. prop stopping for better glide ratio is something i am proud off. that bothered me alot before and i am glad this is working so good already. yes i got a pilot here before who took the small 19kg unit up with the smallest battery, flew 5 min over to the mountain and stayed up for 2 hours, using the motor only couple of times to get back into a good thermal cycle. he landed with 80% battery left after that time. not on video. the medium sized motor will do but if you like to have a bit more punch the bigger motor is perfect. oh and yes battery price will also be lower. plus maybe even an option for a low cost pack around 500$ only. it will be a bit heavier and less capacity. but the advantage is you can get 3-4 packs for the same price as 1 big expensive battery. like that the lower cycle life also doenst matter much because you can swap packs and have 4 times the cycle life in theory. i post updates here as soon i can. meanwhile i am continue to work on the prototypes here. ps: do you have an electric car with power outlet? i read you say charge a pack while flying second. or is your field ready for 230V outlet?
Hi Panda, loving your work - thank you 🙏. Came across it whilst researching before my first PPG course. Quick question re regenerative energy. Does the potential for a regenerative battery function from windmilling make it worthwhile to include in your v3 or onwards?
cheers adam, good question! but answer is, absolutely not. we want stop windmilling to get a better glide factor. so i programmed a brake function in the ESC. letting go of throttle will stop the prop in 1 sec and keep it behind the pilot to reduce drag. but even with former versions the windmilling effect is so slow that there is zero advantage. we fly too slow for that to make a noticeable difference. if we would be 200km/h fast and hold that speed for 1 hour by having a regen setting build in the ESC than yes. its possible to charge the battery couple of %. happy to see you like what i do. 😅
Great answers Panda, all make sense, and aligning the blade with the pilot, combined with the response re speed and duration for regeneration, and layer in speed of response - you’re going to win mate
@@RMcAdam you are too kind mate! thanks alot. i think the main goal is efficiency. with a gasoline engine we dont need to care about it much. so the future of next version will be bigger prop, better FOC ESC, and better netting on the hoop. that tennis court thing isnt helping very much to reduce drag.
i am 170kg all up include gear and can fly so easy now. much more power than moster185. flight times are from 35min with the lightest battery. around 19kg ready to take off. up to 2 hours or more. we still testing. so 2 people can fly tandem on this.
cheers mate. going to market this summer i hope. yes. no webside yet but its all in progress and i post updates here as soon there are news. whats most important for you on an EPPG?
@@plasticoreciclado yeah thats the best. i love the silence when off throttle and no vibrations anymore. just insane power without the drama of a loud engine. i had massive migraines from the gasoline smell before when i drive car home 2-3 hours each time. was a nightmare... and the newest features should also be great for what you said about motor is off when launch and landing. i put one on top and build a gyro inside so if pilot falls down at launch or landing the motor will cut off and slam on an emergency brake even throttle is at full power. both for face plant and turtle mode. i am currently working on a super lightweight unit as well.
@cloudpandarism2627 haha you did perfect. I'm stoked to get an electric motor, I've been flying the same vitorazzi 185 on my flat top for 14 years now, rebuilt a few times but never a motor out. Do you think I could mount your motor to my flat top?
@@tjmooney4181 its best to get a new frame for bigger diameter prop but yes. i am also working on a prototype which should fit on every normal frame like a block you just screw on the 4 bolt holes. it will just be very heavy and flight times are shorter if you cant fit a 140 or 150 prop.
Have you tried playing with different pitches of props? With our geiger eppgs we tested 13° to be the most efficient with 3blade 125cm Props. Also are you planning on building a frame to receive 150cm Props? Good stuff! Cheers from Germany
moin jungs, ja klar ich hab hier bestimmt 20 verschiedene props zu liegen aber alles unter 140cm ist immer weniger flugzeit. der jetzige rahmen kann 145cm props aufnehmen aber 150 ist geplant. wir haben zwar einen prüfstand aber das wird umgebaut auf was besseres. habt ihr irgendwelche ergebnisse online? oder fotos? würde ich gern mal sehen falls das nicht alles top secret ist. freut mich das ihr vorbei schaut und meine arbeit gut findet. bin immer happy andere begeisterte zu treffen. 😄
this summer is what i try. but if not i am confident i can make it this year. if you fly paragliding and dont wanna loose the nice feeling of silence as you would loose with a rumbling 2 stroke on your back, you gonna love EPPG. i talk to so many PG pilots and after they tested my prototype they want one asap. everybody so far is shocked how much power it have while being very undramatic and complete silent when off throttle as you hit thermals.
yes. new version are all with 140cm lightweight prop. you wont feel the difference in torque or any other disadvantage. the final design will have an even bigger prop than 140. 😋
cheers mate! i continue developing and exiting things are happening here. this older video was one of the first prototypes i build. now we are far beyond that point.
@@cloudpandarism2627 I fly a 32” prop - 90 frame it’s the size I can handle nicely and have fun with. After more research I can see that the battery’s are little too inadequate for my liking. So sticking to my MiniMot-G2 for the moment.
@@cloudpandarism2627 from what I have read, DJI batteries are very well regarded...and have a built in battery management system available...will look forward to more info in the future.
look closer. its a waterproof hallsensor throttle with dedicated wireless connection which can be bind to any unit and not interfere with others. build in cruise control and remote strobe light button.
@@user-wo6zt1hf9q sure. you can buy this exact throttle from maytech and install a small BEC for powering it up. i tested it with moster185 before and it works very well compared with metal geared powerful servos.
