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I am a deported Mexican raised in the US empire. I was a victim of a hate crime during Trump's presidency in which instead of obtaining justice I was instead deported back to Mexico. I am currently in the process of publishing an autobiography of what my life was like growing up undocumented and of the struggles of undocumented Mexican immigrants and deportees. As of late 2017 I have been living in CDMX and when it comes to Mexican Americans most Mexicanos do NOT see Mexican Americans as real Mexicans. As children of the American empire Mexican Americans have UNEARNED American privileges from simply being born in the USA. Mexican Americans are of Mexican ANCESTRY but you are not from Mexico. As US citiznes YOU will never face mass deportations nor the same repression as that of people born in Mexico so its not that you are not Mexican enough if not that you are not born here nor face the same struggles as the people of Mexico. Also when it comes to Mexican Americans there are many Mexican Americans in the USA who not only disassociate themselves from Mexico but also give a preference to the fascist and racist American empire. ABSOLUTELY nobody in Mexico thinks in the same way as Mexican Americans in attempting to embrace the US empire. Another thing about Mexican Americans living in Mexico is that you guys are also gentrifying the country in the same way as European American Gringo colonizers, displacing the locals and making life more expensive for the common people of Mexico who do NOT have American privilieges, are not making dollars spending in pesos and who cant just cross the border at the drop of a hat. It doesn't even matter that you guys are dark skinned because at the end of the day you guys have US citizenship and American privileges which is why you guys are rejected down here.
Your American identity is why Mexican Americans are rejected in Mexico. You can't have two masters especially when the American empire has over 500 years of oppressing the global south. The problem with Mexican Americans is that you guys attempt to DOMINATE the Mexican narrative without ever having to experience the hardships that Mexicans born in Mexico face everyday. You guys want to identify as Mexican while at the same time enjoy the benefits and privileges of American imperialism and US global hegemony and you ignore the plights of the Mexican people simply because as pochos you are not being directly affected by DRACONIAN American foreign policies, nor mass deportations and family separarions. I undertand that you guys did not choose to be born in the USA but as American citizens you need to realize that not all Mexicanos have the same privileges nor advantages as pochos, and in the same way that there are Mexican Americans that have never visited Mexico there are also many Mexicanos who have never gone to the USA. Having Mexican citizenship does NOT make you a real Mexican neither especially when you can just cross the border without having to wait decades nor be a super rich Mexicano to have those privileges. Mexican Americans need to STOP attempting to continuously DOMINATE the voice of the people who live down here whose struggles are much greater than that of a pocho.
I did the following presentation for Emory University where I explain the origin of most terms ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gPoeRye3lPg.htmlsi=FqPlpG2hESpJl_A6
I guess RU-vid does not allow to post their on links here. I did a presentation for Emory University regarding the origin of most of these terms. Let me know where to send you the link. Thanks.
Borders are an artificial demarcation line to divide countries and sovereignty in each one. It doesn't care about people living near that line or the collateral damage that it causes to people. Think about it, 400 years or more ago there were no borders between Mexico and the E.U. and people moved freely between regions. One example is people in Sinaloa used to migrate to what is today Los Angeles.
I might be a U.S citizen but I only identify as Mexican. I love the United States and I am great full that my parents moved to the U.S, which has allowed me to have the life that i currently have. But when it comes down to it my culture and my identity is Mexican.
I'm a full-fledged citizen, i was born in Guerrero, been here most all my life. I'm Mexican and American, both, equally---well, a bit more Mexican, lol I do love my culture.
@Emiliano_Zapata-d5c I understand the whole dynamics and the semantics. I find that my fellow Mexicans, in México, can only hold one possibility true, at a time. In reality, two things can be true, at the same time. The USA (US), is know world over as, America, just like the continent. If you ask the world who/where is America, they point to this country, in any world language, not just English. It's just the narrow-minded, that refuse to accept this concept. Mind you, our name is United Sates...of Mexican States! Where was that taken from? I certainly, would not talk too loud about shared names. Listen, I'm immensely and equally proud of my two lives, with two cultures, two worlds, two languages. You all only see one side, one way, and with resentment, de pilón!
I really enjoyed this dialogue! It ended too soon. I’ve often felt “ni de aquí, ni de allá”, even in the small rural community in the US where I grew up, because the church we were part of was not the same as most of our neighbours and my opinions on many subjects were different than my peers. I was used to feeling “other”, but still happily went about my life, just being me. Then I moved to Canada, where I’ve lived most of my adult life, but in a predominantly Latin American context in terms of family (husband and extended family) and friends/social circle. When I’m really tired, I can find it hard to speak English properly, inserting random Spanish words. Even though English was my first language until I was 21, Spanish is definitely the language of my heart. I always felt out of step with the dominant/surrounding culture until I first visited Mexico when I was 15, which was love at first breath of Mexican air. Soon I will be retiring and be able to spend at least half our time at our home in a small town in central Mexico, where we already have family, friends and a community. I’m literally counting the days. But since we have kids and grandkids in Canada, we’ll still be between 2 countries. So in some ways I’m ni de aquí ni de allá, but in many more ways soy de aquí y de allá. Y cómo dice la canción, “ser feliz es mi color de identidad”. ❤🎉❤
I resonate with this a lot. My only language was English until the age of 16, but feeling at home when visiting Latin America and feeling at ease when speaking Spanish are feelings I know all too well. That’s why I hang out with a lot of other English/Spanish bilinguals because I feel most authentic when I can express myself in both languages.
@@fivestarplaying3553 Spanglish is the best!!! I definitely speak and write grammatically correct Spanish when in a primarily Spanish-speaking context. I’m always looking things up on the DRAE app (Diccionario de la Real Academia Española), and can be a language and grammar nerd. BUT being with other bilingual people and flowing easily between the two languages… That’s so Zen.
Very interesting topic. I'm 100% gringa, but my exhusband was born and raised in Mexico (he then moved to the US). We only received a census form once while married. It had a lot more options than your usual form, but it still didn't have anything that described him, surprisingly. There was a spot to fill in other and explain. So, I wrote them a whole essay about him being mestizo and what that meant.
Thank you for this vlog as a gift. I live in SD and have an MA in Mexican American Studies from SJSU. I taught at community colleges for 10 yrs previously. The best thing about this video is that it brings awareness to the labels. They are words but have important roots. Being a Chicano is a lifelong struggle/commitment. It’s also a discovery that people have to fall into. Not everyone does and that’s ok. Awareness and exposure to this is important! Your vlogs are fun and informative. I did pick up pretty quickly that its about much more if you pay attention. Thanks for that also.
I’m Mexican and don’t identify as Hispanic or Latino because we have native America blood and I honor that growing up with the native language and culture. I understand that Latino or Hispanic is from Latin origin speaking decent like in Brazil where 90% is white and 10% is native that makes sense to call Latino or Hispanic but as Mexican we are Mexican the name given to us by our native ancestors let us not get confused.
I love that you pointed this out. I will just add that Brazilians cannot be called Hispanic because they speak Portuguese and the term Hispanic refers to Spanish-speaking.
Spaniards from Spain get offended here on the WEB for calling people from US south of the border countries Hispanics, the Romans used to refer to Spain as Hispania in antiquity. the You Spaniard University student states, "Do not call them Hispanic", it would as comparing Australian Aboriginal to British Anglo-Saxon. Spaniards are European, they do not even remotely look like the mestizo Afro and Indigenous people in the Spanish-speaking countries. They also state they are not Latinos, Latinos are the Romanians, Italians, French, Portuguese, and Spaniards. The US wants to bunch people up under the made-up false umbrella of Hispanic/Latino for the US census purpose while denying our Mexican Indigenous claim to the land stolen from us.
In Mexico I always say soy Mexicano creado en estados unidos. I do not like it when they choose a label for me. I specially do not like being called pocho because they say it in a sarcastic manner.
This is excellent, and I will show it during class this week. Half of my students have a parent or parents born in Mexico, and though I have provided a LOT of information about the history of Mexico and the United States, as well as information regarding the Spanish exploration and conquest, I don't think our school system and society do a oood job explaining the heritage of people belonging to both nations, especially during something as important as Hispanic Heritage Month.
We are fed conflicting messages and that leads to doubt and hinders our emotional and intellectual development when we don’t feel a sense of belonging in society (or are simply questioning our belonging in society). I’m happy you want to share this with your students, Mr. Hayes! I hope it generates some fruitful discussion in your class. Saludos
I’ve been wrestling with this for 45 years. It’s rough growing feeling like you don’t belong in either country. 😅m also from Chicago ( Back of the Yards ) now live in Bolingbrook and contemplating moving to CDMX. I have no ideas what the answer is but I think that part of the issue is the bullying we get from our own as kids. For example both my parents are both from Los Altos de Jalisco ( San Juan de Los Lagos) my dad side is more white and my mom is more indigenous. I came out looking more like my dad and my two older brothers look more like my mom’s side. We grew up in a Mexican neighborhood and I was bullied by all the kids because I was white looking and was ostracized. Which led to me to close myself off. Then we moved to the suburbs when I was in 7th grade. Seeing so many white people wasn’t common for me living in the hood so I thought it would be different. I was wrong! It was fine but when they found out o was Mexican, spoke Spanish and everything the bullying began along with the racism. The few Mexicans that did live in the that area did nothing because I was white looking. So again I didn’t fit in so I closed myself off. It is still something I deal with. Anyway I love your channel because I see myself I you guys because are from the same area. There is more to what I said above but it way to much to type on here. If you’d like to pick my brain let me know. Also I’ll be in CDMX 10/31-11/9 and must do things or ferias?
😮💨 uuff yea that’s a lot to grapple with, especially as a kid but then we grow up and it continues to be complicated. Thank you so much for sharing 🙏🏽 many people don’t realize what’s going on internally for us! We are not currently in CDMX, actually, we’re in Chicago! Well, Cicero 😁 might be fun to do a meet-up in November before we head back to Mexico.
And you’ll probably want to catch the parades on Paseo de Reforma. I highly recommend hanging out in Coyoacan for Halloween or on one of the days shortly after. So fun.
Te felicito por buscar tu identidad, y lo que te puedo decir es que la verdad de lo que buscas está en tus ancestros y podrás buscar las tradiciones, como por ejemplo fiestas populares costumbres bailes música, pintura, vestuario,, y la religión! Si la religión es muy importante en nuestras familias, en lo que hace que nos ayudemos unos con otros! Si puedes viajar por México fluirá lo que realmente eres ! ÁNIMO!! México y tus hermanos Mexicanos te esperamos!!! Saludos
Yo como Mexicano me siento orgulloso de todos los jóvenes Hijos de Mexicanos nacidos en USA que están superando a sus padres , estudiando, trabajando, ocupando mejores empleos, terminando sus universidades, poniendo en nombre de México en alto, para mi y para millones de Mexicanos ustedes son REALMENTE MEXICANOS así que nunca olviden de donde salieron de grandes familias Mexicanas!!!! Viva México 🇲🇽!!!
Soy de California y aqui la mayoria para nada olvidamos nuestras raices, para mi es un pecado olvidarse de la gente Chingona que uno proviene, esa gente Mexicana trabajadora VALIENTE que se enfrento a tantas adversidades con tal de ayudar a los suyos en Mexico.. y que se los llevo el tiempo y se adelantaron y que nunca mas volvieron a ver a sus seres queridos, yo voy seguido a varios cementerios a hacer ejercicio y ahi esta repleta de tumbas de gente Mexicana que aca quedaron.. y no se me olvida que en mis venas traigo sangre de la RAZA de lucha y coraje 🇲🇽 yo mismo que soy boxeador pensando todo eso le eh ganado peleas a afroamericanos y gabachos y con mis puños hago respetar nuestra raza... Lo mismo mis hermanos, como Mestizos traemos la sangre de Indios y que estos invasores no son nada para uno.. saludos hasta Mexico compa y VIVA MEXICO 🇲🇽
Me encantó el término Blaxican. Tuve un classmate Blaxican, African Anerican dad and Mexican mom, and he was so proud of his ancestry in a contagious way that it was just amazing. Saludos compas! Viva la 4t!
My family has a history of moving from Mexico to the United States andthe US to Mexico since the end of the Mexican-American War. That is why we said, “We don't cross the border; the border crosses us.”
I don’t blame you but also a little different there 😅 side note: I used to like collecting the little Homies from the quarter machine at grocery stores and laundromats 😆 good times
I have dual citizenship. Born in México and living in the USA for over 40 years. No matter what part of the planet I'm in and for however long, I'm Mexicano and no more.
Patriotero barato. “Muy mexicano”…. Ve a México! Trabaja alla! Paga impuestos alla! Contribuye alla! Asi verdaderamente haces algo por México! No nada mas andar ladrando “viva México y ondeando la bandera” cuando juegan futbol o pelea el canelo.
@@peraltaisrael2598 Mexicano es sangre inidgena ya seas nativo o un supueso mestizo. Mexicano no es una nacionalidad! No todos los que nacen en mexico son mexicanos.Hay muchos colonos que se esconden detras de la nacionalida e identidad mexicana. Mexicano reducido a una simple nacionalidad, tradicion o cultura es un connstructo colonial, racista y anti-inidgena con la agenda de desinidgenizar a nuestra gente y destruir nuestra verdadera historia y cultura como gente inidgena
Hey congratulations 🎊 and thanks 🙏 for making my mind up . I was figuring out for so many years about that situation too . But thanks for your nice and thoughtful concept. Mexican from California or Chicago or … Mexican USA 🇺🇸 American Thank you again
Nací en Chicago y crecí en un pequeño pueblo junto al río Mississippi en Illinois, solo cruza el puente y estás en Iowa. Mi familia se mudó de regreso a México cuando me gradué de la high school. Desde mi sincero punto de vista, vivir en mexico durante 3 años fue bittersweet. Los mexicanos chicanos y los mexicanos originales son muy diferentes culturalmente. Nacer en Estados Unidos me abrió nuevas oportunidades y elevó mi posición en la sociedad mexicana, pero también fui discriminado por no ser lo suficientemente mexicano y gringo. Hablo 3 idiomas pero algunos mexicanos despreciaron mi origen y a veces no era bienvenido por ser yo.
Ni te awites la gente en Mexico es muy ignorante, la neta ami me da igual lo que opinen ni tampoco ando buscando su aprovacion o ser aceptado, la mayoria ni siquiera tienen la misma experiencia que nosotros los que nacimos aca y que hemos conservado el orgullo de nuestras raices Mexicanas y que traemos bien arraigada nuestra herencia Mexicana apesar de crecer en otro mundo en otra cultura con personas de otras razas.. yo estoy orgulloso de mi familia de la gente de la cual yo provengo de mi sangre, asi que no necesitamos que la gente de Mexico nos acepte.. nosotros aca somos la Raza de la Reconquista... PURO CALIFAS Y TODO EL AZTLAN 🇲🇽
Wow absolutly great comentarios muchachos. I feel like you all have taken the words straight of my mouth in referring to how Latinos living U.S. identify themselves as. I'm 52 and thought that I had all the right answers for my 3 kids in regards to how they feel about being borns in América, while being of Mexican descent.
It’s certainly not easy and we’ve grappled with it all of our lives. Talking about these things takes practice and none of us will get it right on our first try. In fact, I think each time I have this conversation, my views evolve and grow just as I do.
Was this part one?! Such a good episode!!!💥 I choose to describe myself as Latina. When I get down to specifics I say Chicana and Miskito. My mom being from Nicaragua and my dad being second gen from Mexico my cultural identity gets questioned regularly. As an adult… I know who I am and I am proud to represent my communities I am apart of. 💕 I can’t be unmade because of someone’s words.
I totally get it, my fellow humans. I was born in Mexico but moved to the U.S. when I was 21. Now, at 42, I’ve spent almost half my life outside of Mexico. It actually took me about 14 years to finally visit again. Now, I find myself in this strange spot, deciding whether to do things the “Mexican way” or the “American way.” When I go back to Mexico, I love it, but after a few weeks, I start to feel that pull to return to my life here in the U.S. It’s a weird feeling, I know. I’m also trying to figure out how to raise my kids, and honestly, I’m not super connected to any one culture. Part of that could be because I’m autistic (like my son), so we both struggle with emotional connections. I’ve never been a huge fan of post-colonial or post-revolution Mexican culture. Take music, for example-it’s a variation of Polish polka, or food, like tacos al pastor, which has Lebanese roots. I love the flavors, but I feel like there’s this weird effort to keep everything “Mexican” without fully acknowledging its origins. And as for racial profiling in Mexico, it's always been an issue. I feel like if you act “Mexican,” then you’re just seen as Mexican, no matter your race or background. After the caste system that was in place post-colonization, it’s like Mexico tried to forget that whole chapter. I think more education and information would help, but also, we need to recognize that we’re all just humans-brothers and sisters. Labels of race or ethnicity sometimes feel unnecessary in today’s world. Sometimes, I wonder if they create more division than pride. It’s an interesting conversation, but I always feel a bit weird bringing this up with Mexicans who’ve never experienced life in the U.S. or those born abroad.
🔥 wow, you’re so on point! I mean this makes complete sense to me but I agree this is so hard to explain to Mexicans who haven’t lived in the US for a long time. You raise a great point also in asking whether these terms divide us more than instill pride, or even unity for that matter. I wish I could just see the world as just humans and brothers and sisters like you say, but the reality is that we are othered and treated differently based on things like our skin complexion and our cultural upbringings. I think it’s human nature to want to create alliances, or is it just a defense mechanism? I don’t have the answer.
@@EatBailaTravel We’re living in pretty strange times when it comes to freedom of expression. There's this constant flood of information and disinformation, and divisive opinions flying around, with no one really stopping to see things from the other side. People seem lost-unsure of what to do, how to feel, who to be, or even where they belong. I’ve heard it all: comments like “Pinche mamón” or “Ya te crees gringo” just because I don’t fit the mold of what some people think is “Mexican.” But honestly, what is Mexican? I don’t even know-it’s weird. I’ve never fully felt like I was exactly “Mexican” my whole life. I work in the creative marketing industry, and I sometimes get this request from clients: “We want something that looks Mexican.” My usual response is, “Okay, but what exactly does that mean?” If we think about the future in a utopian sense-where the whole human population becomes one homogenous race, one way of living-then what? Are we going to be happy? Or will we just end up like some sort of insect colony, all functioning the same way without individuality? I have these friends whose story is the complete opposite story. Their parents are from the Midwest in the U.S., with a Jewish/German background. They moved to Mexico as missionaries and ended up staying there permanently. My friends were born in Mexico City, lived there until they were 18 or 19, and then moved to the States for College. Their first language is Spanish, even though they spoke English at home. And honestly, they act more “Mexican” than me or a lot of other Mexicans I know! Funny enough, I’ve never heard them describe themselves as “American-Mexican” or anything like that... It’s confusing, I know.
Yea you rise the point that Mexicans are layered and diverse and it’s really dumb to argue about what it means to be “Mexican” when the answer to that varies greatly due to the beautiful diversity of this country
Hey congratulations 🎊 and thanks 🙏 for making my mind up . I was figuring out for so many years about that situation too . But thanks for your nice and thoughtful concept. Mexican from California or Chicago or … Thank you again .
On Sept 30, 2024 the former president of Mexico. Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador signed into law a bill “aimed to improve the rights of Indigenous peoples and Afro-Mexican communities. The reform elevates indigenous and Afro-Mexican peoples as subjects of public law, meaning that the constitution now endorses their uses, customs, and right to self-government.” I had heard it publicized mainly as being at the indigenous peoples of Mexico, and was happy to see it included Mexicans of African descent.
@marksanders2168 May I ask where you grew up? I think the use and preferences of these terms vary by geographic region in the US. The west coast became accustomed to using Chicano while the US Southwest and southeast became more accustomed to saying “Hispanic”.
@@EatBailaTravel The truth is, younger Hispanic generations are using the term "Chicano" less and instead using the correct term Hispanic more. It is also true that Chicano was a term used in southern California especially during the civil rights era (chicanismo) among young Hispanic Americans. "Pocho" was a term used in Mexico to refer to Americans with Mexican descent.
I big point that also needs to be addressed regarding this dynamic is that often times mexican-americans generate disdain because of a limited understanding of Mexican culture and daily life experience. One example is how most Mexican migration to the US is from Southern states and specifically very rural areas, so because these regions are heavily represented within the Mexican-American community they use it as a basis to form their Mexican identity and when exposed to say more urban or northern Mexican people they (mostly unintentionally) dismiss or deny their perspective as Mexicans. Another example was how Mexican-Americans attacked the current Mexican president for having Jewish heritage not being aware that Jews have been in Mexico since before it’s independence, and it’s exactly this heavily American mixed with limited Mexican exposure mentality that causes Native Mexicans to dislike or flat out hate Mexican-Americans, instead of trying to expand their understanding of Mexico as a whole they double down and after repeated encounters of this nature there begins to be a negative perspective regarding Mexican-Americans because Native Mexicans hardly ever relate with Chicano culture which Chicanos think represents Mexico accurately (it doesn’t). It’s a long topic, but everything has a reason for why it developed this way.
100%. I’ve seen this. My paisa friends and family have said that about us living on the other side of the border. Also, many “Mexican Americans” don’t embrace the Mexican side entirely. I think it’s because the USA use to try and shame us where we’d try and assimilate. Tables are turning now.
I am Jewish who is originally from Monterrey NL. I grew up (partially) in Texas then moved around the world. I can relate to the current president. México is a huge geographical area with different modismos, customs, food and even music. Most American people of Mexican origin usually carry their customs from their parents if they are not from Mexico or have never been to Mexico. Even in the USA there are significant cultural differences between let’s say Texas and California “Mexican-Americans”. I had to go to California for work and I could never fit in with the “Chicano” (they identify as that ) culture in California. As I grew older, I learned that people from Southern Mexico generally migrate to California and people from northern Mexico (northeastern Mexico specifically) migrate to Texas. What I specifically don’t like about this topic is that Chicanos tend to be the very first ones to call the authorities on vulnerable people who work day jobs, agriculture etc…in California they call our compatriots “paisas” and other despectivo terms. This topic is older than any of us and complex but easy at the same time.
Wow yea thank you all so much for adding to the conversation! This could absolutely be a whole other discussion on its own. We made a video to discuss the Yahritza y Su Esencia controversy last year and it certainly brought out a lot of that tension between Mexicans and Mexican-Americans. It hurts me to see ignorance from all groups towards one-another and I did see those ignorant comments on social media from 🇲🇽🇺🇸’s about Sheinbaum. 🤦🏻♀️It just adds to the ignorance and tension and it’s frustrating.
@@u82zar Definitely, I relate a lot to this because I’m Mexican but I’m also very ethnically mixed and while being in the USA I always get really negative comments from the Chicano community because to them I’m not a “real Mexican” but in Mexico we don’t actually think like that. Most of us are mixed even if we’re white-passing (it’s an irrelevant aspect to us), they also tend to be shocked when they discover a lot of us speak fluent English which is ironically a negative stereotype they participate in because they tend to think that very rural towns in the South of Mexico (speaking English isn’t common there) are the “real” Mexico, and this just further exacerbates the friction between Mex-Americans and Mexicans. It’s a suuuuper lengthy topic but I think it’s good to view it from both angles so that if we want to heal this mostly negative relationship we include not only Mexicans (painting them as just haters) but also include Mex-Americans and how they interact with Mexico and Mexicans. Whether people like it or not growing up in the USA and growing up in Mexico is NOT the same experience even if both sides had Mexican parents.
I just got my Mexican citizenship this year damn it’s a process , the Mexican consulate workers told me it’s easier to be a Mexican citizen if my parents did the process when I was under the age of 18
I feel that whoever you are, that’s just who you are if you feel that you’re Mexican American then that is what it is if you feel that your are Chicano or Hispanic that’s what it is I don’t subscribe to the notion of changing how I describe myself depending on who the recipient of the information is. We are who we are. I think too many people specially young people get slack for not being enough of something and that’s not cool because there are just so many intangibles to each individual. My self I feel like at 40+ I am a Mexican American, I was born to Mexican parents but born and raised in America with a love for my culture, yet I never traveled to Mexico on holidays but I still love it and my culture now also includes the American way of life. One thing I know for sure is I am not white even if we have European blood somewhere it was forced on us and the little box on a form will never be ok for me.
Great video. It helped me understand some of the issues that Mexican Americans go through with regard to identity. I heard a new term for me Blackxican. It's interesting how people sometimes have to identify themselves and how that changes over time and geographic location and how they have to identify themselves within the limited parameters in Governmental paperwork compared to how they identify themselves personally . If Kevin is a Mexican from Chicago does that make him ChiMex? MexiChi? Everyone in the video is amazing. I'm in agreement with you Jenny in that everyone from Alaska to the tip of Argentina is American and I understand why people would want to identify as a subset of that like Mexican American. I thinks It's important for a persons cultural experience to identify with what they're comfortable with. For some reason I can't find a Mexico emoji so I subbed a world emoji🗺. -Marc
Balckxican?? Stop all the madness from the USA, In mexico no matter your skin color, you area mexican and the only thing this clasification does is destroy society.
Uuffff! Que buena plática! 🤭 Before living in Mexico, I would have always said I was Mexican, but now that “Mexican born Mexicans living in Mexico” have made it prevalent that “I’m not Mexican” simply because I wasn’t born on Mexican soil, I will definitely be using what Tony says, “Soy Mexicana nacida en el extranjero” 🇲🇽🇺🇸😅
I had to invent my own country in my personal space, because I lost my mexicaness and I never gained “estadounidenseness”. To have two flags, is an honor and a curse, code switching is a must, but the fountain of knowledge doubles, your points of view extend, and you always end up deciding that Mexican food is the best.
I'm a gringo 22 years in Sinaloa. If I'm in any country in the world and say I'm American they know what I mean. That thing with 3 counties in north America, Fine try calling a Mexican An American, try calling a Canadian an American. Go to South America and try the same thing. No other country wants to be called American.
I was born and raised in Mexico City (D.F. at time), 64 years ago. After living in California for 36 years, I already feel I’m ni de aquí ni de allá. I came here for many reasons, but also to try to get back a bit of the future neoliberalism stole from all of us. Saludos!
I say Spanish, indigenous, and a lil bit Arabian.. many Spanish have Arabian lineage even if small. I always say indigenous (30 percent) to remind them my family dna was here long before Europeans were..
@@EatBailaTravel I have studied my geonology and historical roots. I have several conquistadors in my ancestry to include founders of important cities like Guadalajara and the state of Zacatecas. My ancestry consists of distinguished surnames that historically were involved in the development of new Spain. Names such as bodadilla..quezada.. miramontes.. banuelas..Gaeta…Arellano..Marquez de los olivios. Magallanes..Perez…Godoy.. Ulloa.. and I can keep going on and on.. it doesn’t make me special or anything because i am sure if you study your genealogy. A lot of those same names will be in your ancestry as well..if your family is from Zacatecas for a long period of time.. you will have the same ancestors..i seriously doubt they would want to be known as Latinos..
So my father is Mexican 🇲🇽 and my mother is Italian 🇮🇹 and German 🇩🇪 I used to struggle with identity… and I don’t know nothing about Germany… I was raised being Mexican so when people would ask me, what am I I would just tell them I’m Mexican and Italian but then they see my last name and it’s German 🇩🇪 then I have to explain everything it’s annoying 🙄 😅
Very cool just looked up some information on Vicente Guerrero we will definitely be doing some more research so we can potentially do a video in the future. Thank you for the tip
From Arizona and my parents from Sonora. I always refer myself as a Mexican/American or Latina❤️ I don’t use the term Hispanic because I feel like it erases our indigenous part of us.
Estevanico, also known as Esteban the Moor, was the first African to explore the American Southwest and the first official Spanish representative to the Native people of New Mexico:
I found it strange that the census states “American Indian or Alaskan Native”, as opposed to “Amerindian” or “First peoples of the Americas”. Because it seems that “American Indian” is more about the tribes / nations of what is now the US, but not including the multiple indigenous groups in Mexico, Mayans in southern Mexico and Guatemala, Quechua in Bolivia and other Andean countries, the Amazonian groups in Brazil and Colombia, Mapuche and Aymara in Chile, the First Nations of Canada, etc. etc. Maybe that is what they meant by “American Indian”, but somehow I doubt it. Especially since they separated out “Alaskan Native”. Still a long way to go in educating those who create the census…
@@mwiebe2663 genetically from what I understand in reading different material on the subject… northern Mexican indigenous tribes were closer related genetically to Nomadic tribes in US v meso American tribes. So when they say Native American.. they want to capture people with indigenous heritage within the US, but.. half the US used to be Mexico. So?? Essentially, the indigenous tribes of northern Mexico and southwestern USA are the same people.
@@juanhuizar5607 Right. But for the US Census, they are asking about lots of other ethnicities, including “other Pacific Islanders”, but I didn’t see anything about “other indigenous peoples from the Americas”. Mexico alone has 68 different indigenous groups, with 364 languages (obviously many of the languages are variations of the larger language families). So those in northern Mexico may be closely related to groups in what is now the US, but the other groups are distinct. There are those in southern Mexico who are closely related to those in Guatemala, Belize and Honduras (the overarching “Mayan” grouping, which is also made up of many distinct groupings and languages), and those in central Mexico, especially in Oaxaca and Guerrero, the Purepecha in Michoacán, etc. etc. So do those people put “American Indian” on the census?
I have an issue with this one, too. Just when I think I could identify with “American Indian or Alaska Native”, the form usually requires an added specification of a tribal relation. What if I don’t know because that ancestral part of me was erased? Am I not allowed to identify as such if I cannot name a specific tribal identity? 😵💫
@@mwiebe2663 yea I know it’s complicated.. but I don’t see any way around it. We are Native American. Putting on a census that the idealistic Mexican is white only?? Make no sense. We are indigenous. Some more than others, but we are the bloodline left and it should be noted whether in Mexico or US. Spirituality this is their land and it’s transcends through our bloodline. We shouldn’t ignore that. Re: US it’s an administrative failure due to lack of understanding and I assume also to under represent the totality of indigenous population.
🗣️🗣️ AGREED! We should ALL START PUTTING MESTIZO / PARDO under the OTHER: option!! They only want to use us to make their WHITE MAJORITY NUMBERS HIGH yet, still consider us minorities… FOH🗣️🗣️
Lyndon Johnson being from Texas and Ronald Reagan being from California these presidents had grown up experiencing Mexican people and Mexican culture. The reason it starts on September 15 is really obvious. The organizers behind the celebration in 1968 meant it to coincide with Mexican Independence on September 16 which at the time in1810 included California, Texas, and rest of the western U.S. These states were not a part of the U.S. when the U.S. independence occurred in 1777 from England. Technically these states only became independent from Spain and never from England. Since its creation in 1968 elected officials, government leaders, and especially the media have morphed Hispanic heritage month to mean every other part of the Spanish America. Now based on "wokism" coming from the Democrats and progressives many media outlets have started calling it "Latinx Month" a word that no one likes at all.
I think “Mexican-American” is the most accurate label if you’re of Mexican descent (at least it is for me). “Chicano” is a politically charged term as it describes civil rights activism. As admirable as that is, it doesn’t really fit unless you’re deep in activism. Also, ideologically, if you’ve been in the States since you were a child, you have American values which generally and broadly speaking include being more individual-centric as opposed to collectivistic, and prizing self-determination (being self-made), freedom of speech, and some sense of equality. This is why ultimately I identify as American but I’m a type of American, one with Mexican heritage. I was born in Mexico but I’d never say I’m Mexican because they have a different ideology than me. For example, Mexicans always take offense when Americans say we’re “American”. They take this so literally because America is both continents but the formal name of Mexico is Estados Unidos Mexicanos but Mexicans say they’re Mexican, they don’t say they’re “Estado Unidense Mexicano” so there’s a bit of a double standard there. Also, elitism is rife in Mexican society and don’t get me started about how colorism factors greatly in their system bc I could go on forever on that issue seeing that I’m brown, literally lol. Finally (lol) I think those who say they’re “ni de aquí ni de allá” are a bit insecure about their identity. You’re seeking validation from Anglo Americans in order to identify yourself as American. Own it, embrace self-determination and don’t look to others for approval as it’s demeaning. You have American values so you are American. I would venture to say that nowadays especially there isn’t even a cohesive American identity even amongst Anglos. There’s a great ideological divide (conservative vs liberal, call it whatever you want to call it) but that’s a whole other topic.
American is a colonially imposed nationality and identity. Mexicans are supposed to stay firmly planted in their original and true identity regardless of the impositions and ideological onlsoughts by the settlers. Those who say we are supposed to embrace american values are still mentally enslaved by settlers
Dammnn we should had you on this video!! 👏🏽 I’m so glad you brought up the double standard with the full name of Mexico and how they don’t call themselves “estadounidenses” despite that being in the name. I’ve said this same thing a few times. Thank you for your wonderful thoughts!
@@EatBailaTravel I’m glad I could provide some insight. I’m a philosophy major and, even though I’m not an academic (I’m an attorney by trade), I’ve thought long and hard about identity. Thank you both for shedding light on this important topic so earnestly!
Personally, I don't like being called Chicano, or Latino. I'm Mexican, and that's that, but I was born in Mexico, and raised here since I was three weeks old. I'm 36 now. I've only heard the word pocho, being used from comedian fluffy, y that was last year or early this year lol. Donde en México viven?
Wow, me sorprende escucharlos y me da mucho gusto escuchar el cambio de mentalidad que esta generacion esta teniendo hacerca de Mexico, ahora si nos sentimos orgullosos de nuestro Mexico, nuestras culturas muy variadas que tenemos que incluso yo ni las conocia y ahora gracias a you tube y yutuberos conozco. sigamos haciendo grande a Mexico. y si estamos pensando regresar a Mexico a vivir por favor llevemos lo bueno que tiene USA que es el orden, respeto por leyes vehiculares, pagar nuestros impuestos. etc. y exigamos a nuestros politicos que hagan su trabajo en favor de la gente y el pueblo para hacerlo mejorar
I lived in the states for about 7 years, I am originally from Coyoacan CDMX. I moved to Santa Cruz CA in the early 90s- I attended community College at Aptos CA. with an athletic sport scoolarship in cross country. Having rise and born in a big city full of history specially in sports gave me the confidence to go for college. I studied Sociology. I went to ups and downs trhough my staying. I was always confident and proud on my mexican Identity. I lived in shelters most of education, never wanted to anybody to steep down on me for my mexican pride. It was a gowing living experience which do not regreat.
@@EatBailaTravel Thank you. If someday you guys want to talk more in details from how I illegaly went across the border, how I survived the loma Prieta eartquaque and why I decided into my adventure. I will be glad to have a talk.
Sono nato e cresciuto in México, circondato dal ricco arazzo del patrimonio culturale e delle tradizioni vibranti del mio paese. La mia famiglia è una bella fusione di due culture distinte ma strettamente intrecciate. Mia madre, italiana, ha portato con sé il calore delle tradizioni italiane e la bellezza lirica della lingua italiana. Questo si mescolava perfettamente con l'eleganza ritmica dello spagnolo parlato a casa, forgiando un ambiente culturale unico e armonioso. Invece di sentirmi diviso tra due mondi, ho abbracciato con tutto il cuore le mie origini messicane e italiane. Per me, non sono identità opposte, ma aspetti complementari della mia identità. Abbraccio con orgoglio la mia eredità messicana, e l'influenza della cultura e delle tradizioni italiane è profondamente intreccio nella mia identità. Saludos y feliz domingo.
Hi, Kevin and Jenny! A very good video! I'd like to be interviewed by you. I'm not in the same category as you guys although I do share some experiences. I identify as Mexican-American although I come from people who have been in the U.S. for generations. I lived in a middle-class neighborhood in Los Angeles that was naturally diverse. I didn't have the experience of living in both countries, as many on your panel have. I did visit relatives in Mexico once but it was like visiting space aliens because I only knew about them and only met them once. My family, as I knew of family, on both sides, were in the U.S. and for, at least, two generations. I didn't feel anything less than American although I'm proud of being of Mexican ancestry and cultural traditions. Further adding to my Latino identity is the long period of my life living in and visiting Venezuela. So I'm very Mexican-American, sui generis, with 4% Afro-Mexican DNA.
Had this Discussion with my dad the other night on the use of labels. I like Latino More the Hispanic because if you think of Hispanic you are referring to the People of Spain and one Latin Language Variant. Verses Latino which refers to more then just one rooted Latin language it has many Linguistic variations like Italian,Portuguese etc. Latino refers to all Variants of people in Latin America & not just the Spaniards but Afro-Latinos & Indigenous that also includes new variations of Spanish influenced by African & Indigenous.
Sorry yea, I wrote that so badly, I don’t even know what I was trying to say. I think maybe my reply was intended for a different comment. So re-reading your comment and I’m interpreting your approach as identifying an ethnic identity from a linguistic point of view. Did I understand you correctly? Now I don’t trust myself lol.
The American thing is right i referred myself as American in Guerrero wen asked they where about to lynch my ass thinking I was speaking out of arrogance
The Chicano identity is a reclamation of one's indigenous roots from the Mechica culture. For those of us living in the Southwest of the US, Aztlan is our ancestral homeland. Since Mexico is one of the most populous Latin American countries with one of the highest Indigenous admixture (about 1/2 on average) we form a powerful voice for all native people on Turtle Island. We have a right to travel to the US without being called illegal since it is our ancestral homeland, and we are related to the tribes in the US since Nahuatl belongs to the language class of the Uto-Aztecan language. We migrated from Utah and Colorado to what is now Tenochtitlan in search of the sign of an eagle devouring a snake perched on a cactus.
Imy research on my dad side. They came from the state of Jalisco in the indigenous people in their town, which is in the Chapala area or the coca indigenous people do your homework find out what state you’re from look up in what cities and look up what indigenous people were or live in that area good times🙏🏽
We actually did do an ancestry DNA test, we came up as predominantly Zacatecas and San Luis Potosí, Kevin with some central Mexico as well. We very likely have ancestral lineage with the chichimecas.
My whole life, my Mexican parents have always taught us that were Mexican. Or somos Indios. And this is how I’ve identified myself. But lately people have been telling me because I was born in the US that I am not Mexican. For some reason that bothers me.😂
It can be frustrating, an observation we have made is that people (when in Mexico) get so confused when they find out we were born in Chicago. And that is because our Spanish is pretty good and to them speaking Spanish is what makes you Mexican and it shouldn’t be that way.
As a Mexican-American, I dont stand down when I can myself American or Americano. Others in the Americas can take offense but Im not standing down. Mexico officially is Estados Unidos Mexicanos. They dont call themself estadunidense. Colombia, Venezuela, and Brazil had the United States phrase in their official name, have states and still dont call themselves estadunidense. Those who say “bUt We ArE aLL aMeRiCaNS” are just coping. Thinking they have a gotcha on Americans knowing they know what I mean. Thankyou for reading my ted talk 😅.
3rd generation American and from SF California at that.... At this point i dont have any family ties to latin America and even though im well traveled and speak Spanish perfectly and surprise ppl from latin countries when i tell them im 3rd generation American because they asusme im a first generation or even a born Hispanic i have pride to be from California and American as well 🇺🇸.
Yes there is a context for every denomination. Chicano is a socio-political identity and includes those individuals of Mexican origin who fought for civil rights. I didn’t hear MECHA for instance. Mexican American is a general accepted term, and Latino just tries to distance from the Spanish (of Spain) stigma. You guys are young and it would help to study more in depth your roots and connection to your communities, regions and states. The important point is to recognize your heritage.
I believe the reason Americans use the term"American" is that its in the name of our country. United States of America. So we say American. Its just easy to say instead of The United States. No other country in either South America or North America has America in their name.
Vivo en Canada por mas de 40 años , naci en Mexico......y por alguna razon nunca e sentido que mi identidad halla sido vulnerada y me cuesta trabajo cuando visito alguna familia que tengo en California cuando los oigo hablar de toda los problemas de identidad que tienen; para mi esta bien claro yo voy al espejo y lo que veo es un mexicano y lo siento por dentro y por fuera el orgullo de visitar mi pais y de identificarme con mi cultura, debo mencionar que hablo Ingles, Frances y Español. Y me dan pena todos ustedes identificarse como mexicanos y lo estan haciendo en ingles. Me dan pena que no sepan cual es su identidad......yo los veo hablando ingles y veo su pretencion de ser americanos y dejense de tonterias e identifiquense como americanos .......por eso los mexicanos nacidos y que viven en Mexico no los ven como iguales porque lo que ven es un mexicano tratando de parecer americano y por la historia de abuso de los americanos en contra de los mexicanos esto es inaceptable. If you want to treat this topic SPEAK SPANISH ! dejense de burradas.
En México siempre exigen el español mientras en España de donde es el español hay cuatro lenguas, vasco, gallego, catalán y español. Así que estamos igual a mi da me pena que exijas una lengua que ni es tuya.
here in Texas there's also the term Tejano in reference to the Hispanic culture of Texas, especially the music - which is mixed with Czech & German influences from immigrant communities.
As "mexican-americans" and Chicanos, we are supposed to remain firmly planted in our true and original identity. That is supposed to be our real goal despite the constant impositions, the ideological warfare and the cultural onslaughts from the settlers. This can only be possible through a decolonial education. It starts at home with our parenting and children. We are Anahuacas (the indigenous people of Anahuac) not what settlers want us to be. Not latino, not hispanic and NOT afromexican!
@@EatBailaTravel All false colonial labels must be equally rejected, not just the eurocentric ones. The same way we dont call anyone euromexicans, latinos or hispanics. The minute we accept these imposed colonial labels we are normalizing the continued dilution, erasure and eventual destruction of our true indigenous root. Eurocentrism and afrocentrism should have no jurisdiction on native lands nor any space or place in the idiosyncracy of Mexican people. This whole continent was already diverse and multicultural before the euro-african invasion and foreign occupation of our lands
I’m pointing this out so you don’t feel alone, and not to minimize your experience, but almost everyone in the U.S. has family that came from elsewhere (except Native Americans, of course). It’s a shared experience to be ‘no sabo’ for wherever in the world one’s family is from. It’s great that you all are getting in touch with your roots. P.S. Your videos are great!
It comes from the word “Mexicano”, but for those born in the USA, they cut off the “me” and you get “Xicano” or “Chicano” as the “x” was replaced with “ch” (x and ch can both be pronounced as “sh”). The word is symbolic of someone who has connections to Mexican (I.e. lineage, ancestry) and it was used during the civil rights movement to create unity amongst the community to fight for rights.
