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okay but a mother convicted of a drug crime would never be given the grace of “what about her kids!” and this lady LITERALLY scammed people and nearly killed them
I was thinking the same thing! Black dads serving for possession of weed weren’t given that consideration, they’re just shamed for not being around for their kids
it's such a weird double standard we have in society; I think the only reason they even bothered to try that is because, well, she was a billionaire. On literally anyone else that wouldn't be worth considering to try.
Yeah, it's a thing called "white woman tears". (There's probably a more official term, but w/e I'm a crybaby and I don't take offence. It's not a blanket statement.) Misogyny is real, for all women, and the prison system unjustly breaks up so many families, but those in charge don't care except when it's a pretty, young, middle/upper-class blonde woman who's socially well-connected. Again, I'm not saying white women don't face misogyny too, rather that non-white women face so much more just because of their race, &/or name, accent, nationality, etc. It's just gross how the working class will use what little power they have to trample other working class people instead of even accepting the possibility that the problem is from above the hierarchy, not across it. And that's been a thing for a long time, whether scabs breaking strike lines or calling the cops on a man for asking you to leash your dog (as dictated by law, plus safety) and claiming he was "aggressive". Heck, back on the white woman tears, there have pretty much always been "white-only" feminist causes, with every wave including some notable OG suffragettes. (Not all of them, mind, but there were some, and it's... a rabbit hole. Check it.) So this is just a reminder to remember the importance of _intersectionality_ in sociopolitical causes. There's always overlap of all kinds, and without inclusion of all, the cause will never see true justice. In fact, it'll just perpetuate the same old, harmful narratives, at the expense of others who are on your same "team." Peace.
A person who put hundreds of cancer pantients life at risk doesn’t deserve a “redemption arch” if anything she deserves “damnation dome” aka prison, more prison.
She wasn’t found guilty of doing that though, was she? Because under capitalism, poors don’t matter. She was found guilty of defrauding investors. And I don’t care about that. She’s evil, possibly delusional, but this is a fair point.
@@revenge3265 this though. Rich people are allowed to use their money on whatever they want and if they throw a bad gamble that's on them, but this affected medical care for people and that's unforgivable
So her entire persona was created because she didn't want to be stereotyped as a woman...but now that she's facing jail it's time to whip out the Soft Feminine Devoted Mother feminine stereotypes
@@Ilikefrogs..For real, the fact that she uses the priviledge she has gained from having a platform to get out of this situation as a mother when most mothers in that situation are forced to give birth in handcuffs on the floor before having the children taken away is inhuman.
She gets to have her children comfortable in her own home (or hospital), meanwhile female prisoners who were pregnant at the time of sentencing have to give birth while incarcerated and have their children taken away. The double standard feels like whiplash
I came here to talk about this! A buddy of mine works at a jail and tells a story about a woman in jail who went into labor. They knew she was in labor because she would be screaming and yelling then pause ow, ow, ow. Then start screaming again. They started timing it and sure enough she got to have her baby in handcuffs. Her baby was of course immediately taken from her and put in foster care.
@@zen_ccg in the states jail is for petty crimes at best and prison is for people like murders, drug dealers, pedos, etc who have longer sentences. It can be kinda confusing to hear about at first because there isn't a huge difference :)
What aggrevates me is that they try to have her having kids be a "don't put her in jail" argument when poor mothers with MUCH lesser charges or crimes get sent to jail with their kids or babies thrown into the foster system. Yet another "one rule for the poor, no rule for the rich". And I'm a prison abolitionist which says something about how angry it makes me someone who put people's lives at risk use children as a dodge from something I don't think should even exist.
The fact that she knew there was a possibility that she would not be in her childrens' lives, and she chose to create them anyway, is heinous. To me, it makes her seem even more devious and gross. It seems more likely they are not much more than a device to make her look like a reformed/different, good and decent person.
What really rubbed me off the wrong way was how she's offended that people think her having kids would be a "don't go to jail" card and how she's really into her mother role, yet claims her company was "like a child to her" and "how she felt liberated once it was gone" like, those are not things that should be mentioned in the same interview regarding how you changed for the better because of motherhood me thinks.
@@katzcat8181 guess she doesn't see how once you say something is like a child to you, you can't say you felt liberated when it was gone. like, if I hate a project I'm doing, I won't say it's my child, I'll say it's a pain in my ass.
REMINDER: elizabeth holmes psychologically tortured an employee until he took his own life. decided to have kids knowing they wouldn’t see her until they’re in double digits. just saying.
@@Amanda-xs6eu his name was Ian Gibbons. He was the chief scientist at Theranos. His wife believes his suicide was 100% due to the pressure Elizabeth was putting on him to create a successful product despite the scientific impossibility. She never reached out to his wife after his suicide and had a different employee demand for his work laptop back a week after he killed himself
We all know why she’s being treated differently than most female offenders… it’s because she’s white and rich and has cultivated a backing of influential white men who are enamored by her. Even after her being ousted from Theranos she was able to quickly find new financial backing and support in the form of a wealthy husband and in laws who will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to defend her. She’s still in the business of manipulation, just now instead of putting on a tenor voice and wearing turtlenecks to manipulate investors, she’s wearing Target brand neutrals and putting on a “naiive mother” persona to manipulate the press.
"don't girl-boss too close to the sun or this could happen to you" they really said how can you support women's rights without supporting women's wrongs 😭😭😭
I mean, my feminism isn't just for women I like. I want equal abortion access, longer paid maternal leave, quality postnatal care, better obstetrics offerings and more DV shelters even for the reddest of Qanon queens, but it's not a pass to turn all dark triad to a rousing chorus of "yaaas" lol.
wasn't it a final fantasy phrase that went something like "when a crime can be payed off as a fine, that means that it's only a crime when poor people do it", not the exact same but relevant
The whole “how could I accuse her as she nursed her baby” thing is wild to me because like… being a parent doesn’t mean you can’t do horrible things? It’s totally possible that she is a good mom, AND that she scammed people knowingly.
I hate the idea that someone can escape criticism for doing evil because “but I’m a woman” or “but I’m a mother.” It is so manipulative and disgusting.
This is something that I think really needs to be brought into mainstream feminism outside of intersectional feminism, because so many women will care more about the ‘strong woman’ persona than the impact of the actions (especially on other women), I think if there was a more critical understanding of how the empowerment of women in previous generations of feminism has been manipulated in this current one it could be massively beneficial for instances like Elizabeth or the current prime minister of Italy (a leader who outright calls for fascism and has ‘i am a mother’ as her message of power in speeches) or even the amount of ppl who cite awful women like Margaret thatcher as if they’re aspirational Sorry for long ass reply LOL just something your comment made me think about with how often womanhood and motherhood are now held up as shields in behaviour of terrible women knowing that the women and parents who take pride in those identities will feel like it is an attack on them
It is interesting that a man would never think: “hey if I get someone pregnant I may be given leniency in my sentencing.” If women truly want equality you can’t revert from manlike demeanour to weak little woman persona. Own it!
She can't. She only can escape criticism because she's a white billionaire. Her defense happens to be arranged around the fact that she's a woman and a mother, but it's only considered valid against all evidence to the contrary because she's a white billionaire. Had she been a male white billionaire (as the overwhelming majority of white collar criminals are), the defense would have been arranged around something else preposterous, with the same positive outcome. Womanhood and motherhood give you no advantage in the legal system when they are not supported by obscene amounts of wealth and power, in fact it's the opposite, see all the women who are crucified in the media for the crime of denouncing their abusers, or all the mothers, expecially BIPOC, who are thrown in jail regardless of the fact that they have young kids, and are often forced to give birth while incarcerated. Money and power make manipulation possible, everything else is just seasoning.
What enrages me most is how the article says she's "not a bad person" and "doesn't deserve to go to jail" like... who do you think is actually IN jail? There are SO MANY good and sympathetic people in prison for petty crap like being homeless or doing drugs! Pretending that this is the ONE TIME the judicial system has ever gotten it wrong (which it isn't) displays a shocking level of faith in the judicial system.
As a biomarker scientist, she grinds every one of my gears. Plenty of actual scientists were telling her the problems with her model. She specifically pitched to non-scientists.
I never knew that scams could get so crafty!! When you learn the behind the scenes details such as this, it definitely proves how unethical it is to become a billionaire and maintain the status. These people don’t have anything special than anyone else except they know how to finesse millions out of equally crooked corporations
This is, if I may interject randomly, the one big problem with Madison, Wisconsin. It has *so many* scientists who could make a good sustainability plan for the city (and county) but white people there consistently prefer to ignore them in favor of greedhead corporate leaders who want to build ever more parking ramps and give the richest people many acres of free land to play with -- the American Family Insurance campus being probably the worst example. I left the city out of sheer infuriation with this and am *much* happier and more optimistic living in Chicago now.
I see she’s studied the RU-vid apologies. Turning the “I’m not that person. The person that did those horrible things is a disgusting, vile, insufferable, demon of a person” into an entire persona is impressive
i think when people deviate it like it was someone else that did it (yet still speaking about themselves, but like theyre not that person) and not as actually them to me is like a denial of their wrong doings, still trying to find the blame elsewhere to the point of detaching it from yourself, saying "it wasnt actually me", its just not genuine, taking accountability is saying more like "yes i did it, i knew better and did it anyway, that was actually really fucking shitty of me, i want to showcase the changes ive made to ensure i will and have become a better person, and definitely dont agree with or condone said wrong doing now." basically admitting it and explaining how and what they will be doing differently or to make things better
to be fair the YT apology is just a more performative version of any invalid apology done by any abusive selfish person lol. usually complete with a few 'sighs'
As a successful woman in the tech industry, Liz pisses me off so much. We all want to see a woman succeed in tech and own that "boss girl" attitude (or any attitude tbh) - but not if you're going to cheat and lie your way there. Her actions are such a setback; people will point to her and say, "Look what happens when you let a woman lead!". Like girl, it's hard enough as it is, you didn't need to make it worse. And now she's trying to further use her womanhood to get out of this mess. This is exactly why it's hard for women and minorities in general to get opportunities - because when we do we're accused of using that status to get ahead. And Liz is who they'll be using as proof.
The thing that will always enrage me most about the entire Theranos scandal is that Elizabeth was ONLY convicted of stealing money from rich people, not for all of the people whose lives she endangered in the process, not all the public money she took and misused, and not all of the ethical guidelines she completely overlooked. As far as the justice system is concerned, the ONLY thing she did wrong was using rich people's money to endanger people's live and NOT giving them the profits that she promised. I think that's a pretty damning statement on the American justice system as a whole.
Not sure if you're gay or having a shitty life. If you're Amywinehousing about D'Angelo's videos you should go to a psychiatrist and get a constant treatment because this n-word can go AWOL again
So, I’m a reptile zoologist and something in that New York Times article really stood out to me. Anacondas don’t really hiss unless they’re feeling incredibly stressed or threatened. They’re normally nearly silent animals that are very content to just sit and vibe. That indicates to me that the journalist is likely exaggerating their encounter to make a mundane interaction seem deeper than it is.
"the fault is not in our stars, it's in your blood testing machines" absolutely top tier joke, cackled out loud, woke up my dog that has dementia who woke up the whole house, 100000/10
If you look into her story, her parents were actually strict and demanded academic success (even though from many accounts she didn’t seem to be exceptionally bright) on some level I think hooking up with Sunny when she was 18 and dropping out of college was her act of rebelling. If only she’d stopped there
The author being surprised that "Liz" has good traits (volunteering for a crisis hotline, etc) is very odd to me. It's almost like...people have a lot of psychological nuances, even if they're a criminal
@@Philemaphobiahaha very much the same in the UK. Volunteering is great, but it's also for a lot of wealthier families to add to Oxbridge University applications to stand out from poorer people who selfishly work at a supermarket instead.
It's the Steve Jobs thing, or Sam Bankman Fried thing. She's not pretending to be charismatic, she's pretending to be an eccentric visionary. Elizabeth wants to be seen as someone who is odd, awkward, who doesn't get society, because she's too focused on her work. She's too smart to worry about the little things.
I’m not necessarily mad that her sentencing got pushed back because she was pregnant but I’m VERY mad that the same does not happen for other (poorer) pregnant women. Having to give birth in prison is absolutely inhumane and it’s so telling that a white collar criminal like Elizabeth Holmes (who endangered literally thousands of people) gets this treatment whereas… idk people who get convicted for drug possession (which imo is WAY less harmful) have to give birth while handcuffed to a bed :/
Couldn’t agree with you more. Holmes deserved the cuffed-to-the-bed treatment. But rich white entitled woman. It’s really disgusting and I’m glad Angelo is shining his spotlight on this.
I don’t know why but the fact that she chose to have children even when she knew she was facing jail time makes her feel more like a villain to me. Like it’s just so irresponsible
It does make her more of a villain because I absolutely believe she only did it as a part of this new image rebrand she's trying to do in the hopes it'll keep her out of prison. Her children are just a means to an end for her. Nothing more than props, tools. She's a disgusting person.
The fact that she used the excuse "we didn't think I'd go to jail" definitely proves your point. "We were just so in love!" Glad those kids won't have her during their formative years.
Apparently people don't know about this (or forgot about this), but she not only put a ton of people at risk with her garbage lab equipment, she also performed early testing on end-stage cancer patients and bullied her Lab Director into committing suicide by threatening him with her shark of a lawyer. Oh, and she only ever contacted his window to demand that she return any Theranos paperwork. This was literally the man who was running her lab, he wasn't just an every day, low level employee. So, yes, she was only convicted of scamming billionaires, but she also has a swath of real world, every day victims who she fully got away with hurting.
And during her trial, in her testimony, she claimed this same lab director, a dead man who can no longer call her out, told her that the machines were working. This is what a piece of shit she is.
There is no such a person as "every day low level people". See it's that kind of logic that gets us to have people like EH. The idea that some are above others.
A lot of people don't realize just how vile she is. She *never* intended for Theranos to be useful, it was intended to be a giant goddamn scam. She went to very deliberate, very great lengths to keep even her own employees from talking to each other.
Nah i don’t think that’s true. I think she has the same type of narcissistic personality as Trump does, they lie so much that they end up actually believing in their delusions and flat out refusing to see reality. She had a ‘folie a deux’ going on with Balwani who is also a huge narcissist. They were both taking advantage of each other. She wanted Edison to work so badly, that she refused to believe her experienced Stanford professors when they told her there was no way this was going to work out. She figured she’d hire the best brains in Silicon Valley and wing it until the technology ‘eventually’ worked, all the while manipulating her investors into pouring billions in her company (just like Trump is conning his supporters into ‘donating’ millions right into his pockets). Which tbf is not an uncommon startup scenario in Silicon Valley, the uncommon part was that the scam was being run by a young woman and she was flat-out lying. I’ve worked for a few startups in SV, they do tend to lie at first but the lies aren’t so egregious and the technology usually catches up.
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To this day she still has no college degree... Let's keep that in mind, she dropped out and never went back. She probably looks down on learning, like Elon. 😒😑🤦♀️ Because they can afford to live ignorant.
"Oh no, I didn't have kids to try and avoid prison! I had kids because I genuinely didn't expect I'd see any consequences at all!" is not the slam dunk rebuttal she seems to think it is.
Some folks have tax babies, some have anchor babies, some have last-ditch-effort-before-divorce babies... that is 100% a hopes-of-dodging-jail baby. Should've just said it was an oops baby but she couldn't bring herself to terminate, the alternative has awful optics lmao.
Certain media trying to paint her as a mother instead of a criminal speaks volumes when there are many mothers, especially of color, in jail. She should get the same treatment as everyone else, no leniency for this woman.
I hate how having children ges her out of prison time when so many inmates have kids and are still incarcerated for far less crimes than scamming people and nearly killing them.
as someone with blue eyes i make a point of making my eyes as wide as possible while i stare blankly at people in public. it's the least i can do for humanity
I’ve been a lab tech for over 15yrs and I was FLOORED by this whole story. The one good thing is it does show its very difficult to fake science. You WILLL be found out. It’s terrifying how she doesn’t see how she could have (and I think did) hurt or “unalive” many people! Doctors are only as good as their lab results. Lab is the unsung hero of the hospital. If the doctor doesn’t have accurate lab results then they will make wrong decisions for care. Those results tell them what’s going on. Yeah this whole “personality” shift is creepy. She sounds like a sociopath. I find it disgusting of the author to fall for this BS. Just because she pushed something out of her vag doesn’t me she’s not a sociopath 🙄🤦🏽♀️
In these fraud cases someone always says “at least nobody died” but people DID lose their lives over this. It had major impact on peoples lives and she and Sonny simply acted like it didn’t. And I find it terribly interesting that her dad was one of the execs at ENRON (which had a major fraud/scandal) and shows that this whole mess started in motion many many years earlier than people think. RIP Dr Ian Gibbons
And it’s heartbreaking to see the effect this has on women entrepreneurs. It has set women back in their fight to be taken seriously in business, and sexist people still use it as an excuse to shoot down funding opportunities for women to this day.
The matching nails and glasses with that same shade of blue in his shirt... dude, his style is impeccable. I love the coordination and the general vibes of his fit. The overalls and stripes are so good, and I love the clear chain. So awesome
One of my favorite things about her big re-brand is that the family photos look completely AI generated. Like she could not fathom what having genuinely loving, interpersonal relationships looks like so she asked a bot and the bot was all, “Idk, fully clothed on the beach?” 😂
Frankly I would not even surprised at this point if it turned out those images really *were* actually AI generated. After all, you can train Stable Diffusion on a certain face and have it make images with that face so it wouldn't even be an impossiblity. At this point I'd put nothing past her.
@@edelleaa it's likely it was a set in a sense, if new york times wrote an article about it then it's probably their own photographer who took those photos. But even if she sent some of them in, idk how you can see how these photos don't look fake.
@@santosic after you said that i went to look at their hands and only saw four fingers on Elizabeth's hand that's holding the baby in the back lol (maybe it's the angle though)
No one mentioned the employee that actually took his own life because he couldn't deal with the weight of lying? And how she basically sent an email with a shrug emoji and kept lying?
I hate that the author can't seem to understand that just because she's breastfeeding doesn't mean she's not also a terrible person. Literally how can we pull the "she's just a mother" card when she ACTIVELY TRIED TO PUT FAMILIES IN DANGER
It’s white female privilege. Having grown up around an abusive and manipulative single mother, it’s unbelievable the amount of mistreatment and bad behavior she was capable of getting away with without repercussions. A man couldn’t have gotten away with half the BS she did.
@@saulgoodman7858 What exactly is the point of this statement? Is it to be contrary or an affirmation to the conversation? I have a traumatic brain injury, so I'm genuinely asking here.
I love how she got over on men! She used their own game against them!!! Girl get your money!!!! I wish women were more accepting of women !!! Men do this ALL of the time!!! I mean look at this Society!! It’s a whole society created to cater to men!! That’s why they’re mad. Is because people aren’t buying into it much. And by people I mean “WOMEN!”
@@BlackberryTittiesthat doesn’t make what she did ok😂 unless you’re joking, in which case, carry on 😂😂 they’ve arrested and indicted some high profile male scammers recently, so hopefully we’ll start seeing actual justice for all genders soon
I genuinely think if the financial fraud had been from something like community fundraising she would’ve gotten like community service or some light sentence, similar if there had been no financial fraud at all, I find it hard to believe the ‘justice’ system would’ve lifted a finger against a rich white woman if it hadn’t been rich people affected
you'd love Anna Delvey then. she's also a fake who defrauded rich people but she never endangered anyone's life (but to be fair, she was a huuuuuggeee asshole, like massive jerk)
She's such a perfect example of wealth and family connections giving you a permanent lifeboat from the disasters you cause. She will always be able to find media publications willing to make her seem sympathetic. No door will ever be truly closed to her, even in jail she will have privileges that no other inmate can fathom. It makes me feel very french in a 1700s kinda way.
EH's image is like an exercise in gender roles. When she was trying to become a tech titan, she divested herself from her feminine image as much as possible - clothes, voice, posture etc. Now that she's been exposed, she's weaponising femininity to get sympathy. Also, a world-renowned magazine publishing a profile where the author insinuates that someone can't be evil because they were nice to the author is almost offensive. Newsflash: bad people are not cartoonish caricatures that go around stealing kids' lollipops. Like everyone, they have nuance and can have their good sides. Even Nazi guards in concentration camps played with their kids. Their good sides don't erase all the bad stuff they did and for a journalist to write like she's surprised that people don't come with a "100% bad" or "100% good" badge is ridiculous.
It's also pretty hilarious that the author thinks they can draw ANY truthful conclusions from this single interaction with Holmes. They're literally there to write an article about her. Obviously Holmes is going to put on this fake ass act. Ooh she wiped sand off her shoe, like that's not something a psycho like "Liz" would do intentionally to make herself LOOK considerate and down-to-earth. We all know nobody is 100% good or evil, what matters is the proportions. Holmes made her choices and they were evil, kissing a journalist's ass and popping out babies doesn't balance out the scales. Even the "good" in her case is all just manipulation.
It's kind of eye opening that the only way for a woman to be the fastest growing millionaire in Silicon Valley is that she had to be a scammer. There's so many barriers for women that this person was the first..
Yeah that article pissed me off so much. Like if I meet someone and only ever have pleasant interactions with them and then later find out that they're a serial killer, I'm not going to think "oh but they cant be all bad, they were so nice to me" I'm going to think "wow I guess they were good at hiding what a terrible person they are"
This is why we have to get rid of the “monster” mentality. One of the most uncomfortable videos I’ve ever seen was one of H*tler smiling and seeming like just another person, then it hit me, he was. Despite all the atrocities, he was (unfortunately) human. Dehumanising evil is a coping mechanism as old as time. There are two sides to even the most horrid people.
I work as a lab technician. When we first heard about theranos, nobody in my company could believe that this machine worked. Larger amounts of blood are not drawn because all companies in the medical field are cruel, but because many tests simply require larger amounts of starting material. We are constantly working to reduce these amounts, but eventually there just isn't enough to measure anything. We should finally stop putting school dropouts on a pedestal. Yes, some have succeeded, but assembling a computer in the garage or starting a social network is different than developing a medical device that can run such a large number of different medical tests. you need a lot of experience in a wide variety of biological, physical and chemical fields, which you simply can't have at 19. yes, she was good at raising money, but that was about it. She has undoubtedly known for years that nothing worked. When it comes to patient health, "fake it till you make it" is unacceptable and it's a shame she wasn't charged for this.
I mean, it's not like anyone's view of Zuckerberg is favorable right now. From the 2016 elections, to his SM platform Instagram showing you "too much" about people... He's not well regarded in any way today. What do you know he's a businessman with no ethics, and that's those morons in a nutshell
Even in IT, most successful dropouts are not the only and often not the main creators of a product. School dropouts can be successful in blogging, advertising (mostly as the face of advertising, because the rest also requires knowledge), and as a child who asked rich relatives for money for a startup that accidentally worked (because startups never guarantee success, never). Such children can also be hired as a boss somewhere due to nepotism, but this does not mean that they will understand what they are doing there and bring real benefits.
I work with environmental analytical and even I knew the claims of her equipment were suspicious. I didn’t buy it. I’m shocked she scammed folks in the industry.
lmao the amount of blood they had to take from my body to test when the problem was that I was losing blood! Yea I wouldnt believe it easily either, and Im not great at understanding medical stuff. idk how she fooled people?!
I think a large percentage of the people in jail have children and partners and didn’t get to entertain the idea of not actually having to report to jail and serve their sentences. This woman is most talented at manifesting her own version of reality.
Spent most of my career as a prison healthcare provider. Can confirm. Women give birth in prison with such regularity that there are multiple RU-vid videos from women talking about the trauma.
@@pembrokelove I thought about that too. Why should she not have had to be shackled to the bed during labor like I or any other normal woman could have expected to be. This is some BS.
@@pembrokelove I remember reading about how women in prisons were regularly handcuffed while giving birth and frequently denied them proper care. It was a horrifying read.
It also seems like the people in her life talk about it like she was sentenced to death. They should be kissing the ground the judge walks on for letting her defer the sentence.
Shes a terrifying person. The first time I saw the way she looked at people and almost held people captive with her persona, it reminded me of my abusive ex husband. If you met him, you'd like him. Even if you knew what he's capable of. The way this author reacted to her is exactly how I reacted to him, even after his ex sent me a heartfelt message warning me of what I was in for. I just "couldn't believe it " god how I wish I could go back 😢
Scammers and abusers have so much in common, because what they both do very well is emotional manipulation. I've actually found a lot of solace recovering from abuse by listening to podcasts about fraud and recognizing the shared patterns.
@@Sky-bx9mn yes exactly! People talk a good game now about how this all seemed fake from the beginning but that's not true. She had nearly everyone fooled, even me. Even looking at her and knowing what I was seeing, I still thought this company would change the world. She made me believe her, even though I have experience with her kind. The way this reporter responded to her makes a terrifying amount of sense. She still has that charisma, even if she's changed how she uses it. Just imagine someone completely overhauling their personality and still somehow believing they're being authentic. It's bizarre, but they're just that freaking good 😬
I tried to warn a few before. And I’m not even the TYPE, honestly. I barely even reach out to talk to my friends, it is always them. And when I leave someone, I cut off from them completely and it’s really easy for me. 😅 but warning doesn’t work. They believe him over us. It’s shitty. But I learned now, they’ll find out… eventually. And then they do. 😢😢
IMO one of the most frustrating parts about this is that female inmates are forced to give birth in chains and give up their babies max two days after having them (usually much sooner) but her prison sentence is delayed because she was pregnant. Like maybe I misunderstood but the average person doesn’t get that kind of grace when it comes to the US judicial/penal system. While imo parents should get some form of grace for the benefit of the child, it doesn’t make sense to just delay her sentence. Yeah let’s just wait til her kids can remember her and be sad before sending her off to prison…
The selfishness of consciously having children right before you go to jail for 11 years is mind blowing. Even if they genuinely thought she’d go free, they should have waited until a final decision was made. Now these kids are going to go the first 11 years of their lives without their mom, and also live the rest of their lives as Elizabeth Holmes’ children. Edit: fixed typos and some grammar mistakes 😅
I totally think they planned that pregnancy for sympathy points...even if it was subconscious. Otherwise to your point, why bring a child into the world. She is an educated woman, I am sure she knows how to get birth control 🙄
Not to mention that she flat out lied 🤥 in saying “we didn’t know.” The reporter could’ve easily checked that timeline since she only JUST had her 2nd child (becoming pregnant between the guilty verdict & sentencing trial). They also sent the judge photos of her holding her children in the hospital after its birth…
@@Snail_Nailz fr. this article definitely will play a role in that. because, "but look at what a good mommy she is! she needs to be let go!" even though multiple mothers have lost their children bc of her.
She&her team definitely thought if she was pregnant/had children the jury&judge would go easier on her. 11 years is nothing, she'll get out in less than half that for "good behaviour and/or overcrowding" but really because she's a rich white lady. Id be shocked if she serves any time in a real prison, she's probably going to buy her way into one of those white collar prisons
It's baffling how she endangered the public and promised a snake oil, becoming a billionaire and ONLY received 11 years and STILL hasn't begun serving her time. The audacity with her attempt to "rebrand", knowing plenty of women have served time in prison and will never get a chance like her despite their crimes nowhere near as bad as hers. The concept of justice seems like a fairytale at this point
I can definitely believe her not thinking she would face jailtime. Plenty of CEO's get away with heinous shit their company do, the only reason she didn't get away with it was because she defrauded other wealthy people.
With her dad defending her so much and everything, she gives me the vibe of that girl in the high school theater department who’s shocked she didn’t get into a performing arts college because “her parents have always told her she’s the best”
Her dad worked for Enron...of course he doesn't think she didn't to anything bad. I'm sure he didn't think he and his buddies didn't do anything wrong to their employees.
I’m not fascinated by her, I’m actually in disbelief how this women is not in jail already. It’s hard to believe how her husband and loved ones can even trust her.
I'm fascinated by her in the same way I've had a lifelong fascination with the likes of L. Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, or Jim Jones: what kind of monster is willing to ruin the lives of countless other people just to prop up their own personal myth? What within them is broken to the degree where that becomes possible? Perhaps fascination is not the most accurate term: forensic curiosity might be more accurate.
@@tjenadonn6158 I would liken it to morbid curiousity. And the case of Jim Jones especially is fascinating because when he started out he was doing good things, fighting against segregation and having a list of non-racist businesses the congregation should visit, leading a bunch of stores to reverse their 'whites only' policy for the sake of getting the business of a rather large church congregation. Like, he could have taken the path to civil rights leader or at least civil rights ally from there. Instead he went with crazy cult. Makes me think of people who did do good, were they one decision or brainfart away from being another Jim Jones?
Holy cow I just had a kid, I should be out there knocking over banks and liquor stores! Surely the New York Times would be willing to give me: a working class person the same amount of empathy as Mrs. Holmes.
This really plays off the stereotype that only "evil" people go to jail, and anyone with good qualities shouldn't have to. No one is a cartoon villain, most people in jail have families and people they love. Every single person is a complex human being with good qualities and bad. If you have the idea that someone who can also be nice sometimes does not deserve punishment, then you also agree the legal system just should not exist.
People go to jail for way less worse incidents that were genuinely accidents, young dumb mistakes, or wrong place at the wrong time kind of ordeals. Her crimes were very deliberate and she knowingly hurt a lot of people and was ready to hurt more
The whole thing is so weird and gross. The prison she'll be going to will be likely filled with underprivileged women of color who also have families that they care about. The major difference is that a lot of them didn't get as many chances has her to do better so, I'm not sure why she matters more than them.
@@leena5875 yep. There’s hundreds of thousands prisoners that are actually innocent. Then there is people in prison with a life sentence for weed. So many people in there for the tiniest mistakes. Of course there is people who deserve to be there, but i would argue that there is more people free who deserve to be in prison than in actual prisons.
I am an abolitionist, so yes. But it isn't about being nice, its about a deeply wrong system that does untold harm while not centering restorative justice.
Well done. I just want to add that her chief scientist committed suicide, and she basically destroyed the reputation of everyone who worked for her, particularly George Schultz and his relationship with his grandson.
Schultz's grandson was the first whistle blower, and talked about how Holmes convinced George Schultz that the Theranos gear as already being used by the military in the field. Other thing, one CIA head said that reporters were cheaper than high class hookers.
she really used her kids as way to get out of jail time, and shes totally willing to let those children grow up without their mom if it doesnt work out for her
i think the plan was to use her kids to buy her lawyers more time to magically produce a way to get her out of jail permanently, but apparently "could have caused a mass death event in america" was too big a crime for them to handle. wouldn't be surprised if they still managed to use the kids as a way to lessen her jail time though.
@@m0L3ify …that might be true if the alternative is seeing their mom get away with it. I hope they can get a better maternal figure to look up to though
@@alexreid1173 She's a sociopath. She'll be abusive to them. It's just how those things go. I'd love to see them get a shot at being raised by a healthy parent. They deserve a fair shot at life.
She’s a monster. Back in 2011 Theranos wanted to hire me for the microbiology department (I’m a molecular biologist). The Human Resources Department started cold calling me at my lab in Berkeley. It was a strange experience and I remember thinking initially that even for a headhunter the person trying to recruit me was over the top aggressive to the point that I started feeling like a stalking victim. I’m so glad I didn’t take them up on their offer even though they offered me an insanely high salary. I would have ended up unemployed and with a dark cloud hanging over my resume because the scientists that refused to lie and produce faulty data for Holmes were fired, then when the truth finally came out these same scientists had to prove they could be trusted before other biotech companies would hire them. I definitely dodged a bullet.
She went from girlboss to mom-who-moms to avoid responsibility. I feel sorry for her kids. They are as much props to "Liz" as the the non-functional Edison machines were to Holmes.
+ extra respect for taking well deserved breaks when needed! Mental health can be tough but im glad he’s gotten to a good place and even started creating content again. Missed him.
As a new mom I feel bad for her kids.... if its true, the fact that she purposfully brought children into this world with the intention to escape from jail time only to end up having to go to jail anyways is really sad. I have a sister who is 10 and I cant imagine how her life would have been had our mom not been in her life this whole time.
Exactly! It scares me that they might just be pawns in her new game…that game being the “loving mother” role that she’s playing now. I really hope her children are in a safe place, and I hope that they don’t get brainwashed into thinking their mother is a genius or something like that. :/
D'Angelo is so inspirational. He was doing well on youtube and decided to take a break, came back and he's killing it. There's a lesson to be learned here!
That makes me sick. If she didn’t get caught she would have “succeeded”. Ummm after how many patients lost their LIVES or got the wrong diagnosis?!! She’s delusional 🤦🏽♀️
can we talk about how fire d’Angelo’s outfit is? The rainbow shirt w overalls, and a subtle jacket draped, w the earrings tying the shirt and necklace together while complementing the glasses 🫣
Yeah the extreme selfishness is so infuriating. She created her whole persona because she knew its harder to succeed in tech as a woman, but didn't give a shit that what she did has now made it that much harder for women in tech, especially young women. Makes sense though I guess since she also didn't give a shit that her fake invention could lead to deaths.
i'm dying her quote "how would you spend your time if you didn't know how much time you had left" is just a rebranded version of her infamous motto "what would you do if you knew you could not fail"
She gets to go to burning man while she defrauded people and endangered people and then expects us to buy that she's sorry and shouldn't be punished. Grifters gonna grift.
I was personally so impressed with The Dropout on Hulu. They did a great job of starting with Elizabeth as the protagonist and following her until she is fully the antagonist. In the show she starts out with relatively good intentions, but when creating a successful technology turned out to be actually hard (lol) she started cutting corners and never stopped until she was deeply corrupt and hurt people she knew personally along with so many strangers.
You mean the hero she is the protagonist, the antagonist is someone who opposes the main character but I get what you mean Thats interesting coming from someone who hadn’t watched it
@lovemeh7899 They essentially change who the main character/hero is - they turn focus from Elizabeth to show the struggle of the people she is hurting. It gets to the point where you barely know what she is doing or what her intentions are, which is why I think it was so effective.
The thing is, people actually DID die... several that worked for her unalived themselves because of the situation they were in because of her. It could have gone much further if theranos hadn't had the whistles blown, but she knew what she was doing
When they cast Stephen Fry to play someone you drove to suicide (I can't bring myself to use the Orwellian speech on this one), the average person would be deeply concerned for their future. The last time this happened, he was escaping a totalitarian regime, Elizabeth - NO, that doesn't mean Theranos was Guy Fawkes... fuck, this one is going to take some time to explain....
Yes!! Exactly! She never made any comment on it either. Disgusting. I NEVER say that someone caused someone else's s******, EXCEPT in this case. She and her scummy ex boyfriend are 100% responsible for it and need to accept the consequences for their actions.
@@GhostsRustyKnee , the chemist was Ian Gibbons, who committed suicide because he was called to testify in a lawsuit which may have him admit to, under oath, about Theranos' non existent technology, and he do not want to commit perjury. This piece of shit Holmes would later, during her trial, claimed that Gibbons told her that the machine worked. A man who can no longer refute her words or call her out on her lies.
As someone that works in pathology it irks me to no end that people think you can get many tests done from a single drop. That *may* be possible in the future, but not currently since some tests require a minimum of 600 microlitres (just over half a mL) for that test alone. Way more than one drop. She lied and grifted her way through things and continues to do so now to try and avoid jail time
And the fact that she still thinks she could have made it when even superiors at university told her it was not possible as of yet is insane. Like she seriously thought that by lying for long enough, one day she would actually be able to achieve such testing, but instead of focusing on developing the tech, she was spending more time and resources to cover up her lies 😑😑😑😑😑😑
I remember being a bio major in 2013 and someone brought up the Theranos deal to a prof, only for the prof to openly mock the company and its core idea.
Venture capitalists need to hire competent people to hold the purse strings methinks. They're chomping at the bit to be the one to invest in the next THING to everyone's detriment.
Okay but hear me out, as a lab scientist 600uL is still a super small amount! in my experience a "drop" is roughly 75-100uL, so its like six drops and when considering the size of humans this is still VERY little. 700uL is the maximum I can get from a lab mouse during a post-mortem collection. I'm just amazed honestly that 600uL is workable for some testing
I'm so happy you're in a healthier mindset and back to uploading. I missed your content. Though you almost exclusively talk about darker topics, your video style is how I best consume this type of content without walking away entirely depressed by the subject matter. I also love that I can hear a smile in your voice. And your wardrobe, as always, slaps.
“She is so nice and charming, she can’t possibly have been a con woman!!!” I have news for y’all… con people succeed specifically BECAUSE they are charismatic and good at getting people on their side 🙄
i would like to draw attention and appreciate d’angelo for putting ACTUAL subtitles on his videos, because i have audio-blindness and i can’t understand what’s being said properly unless i can read it too thank you d’angelo :’)
YES! I have a lot of audio processing issues myself, and I am so so thankful he actually does subtitles. In my opinion, if YT is a main source of income, you need proper captions. Period
In my opinion, The Dropout (the TV show based on Elizabeth) is one of the best TV shows to come out in the past few years. Seriously recommend watching it if this video interested you, it's so underrated! (Amanda Seyfried is brilliant in it.) The way Elizabeth has instrumentalized her femininity is disturbing and disheartening. She rode the millennial "girlboss" train to silence doubts against Theranos as anti-feminist efforts to undermine her work - and people believed her because it is too true that women face an added set of obstacles in developing credibility and respect in their industries. She capitalized on a cause people cared about, systemic issues women were fighting to break down and garner support for. Beyond Theranos' medical and ethical horrors, Elizabeth used real problems facing women to get the support of well-meaning people who believed in reversing the business world's male-dominated narrative. The saddest part is that her "mistakes" are not limited to the damage she did to unsuspecting patients hoping to address their health needs. In the minds of those on the fence with "feminism" and gender-based equity, she undermined the hard work of the brilliant, talented, and hardworking women fighting tooth and nail for respect not only in their careers but as complex, capable people. Her crimes will make it far more difficult for competent researchers, if/when they have actually developed the "one-drop" blood panels, to make testing of that kind accessible to those who truly need it. And the world (and the US...) desperately need accessible blood tests and healthcare. In summary: she has directly damaged people's health and lives, indirectly hurt the chances of developing accessible and equitable healthcare, and given misguided and bigoted people another reason to doubt and oppose women/gender-based equity frameworks. Let's not forget the passionate, talented employees disconnected from Theranos' deceit that may very well have lost their hard-won careers and the opportunity to pursue their goals and dreams. (I'm referring to the perspective of people who are looking for reasons to undermine women in business or any other male-dominated field. In my opinion, Elizabeth's mistakes should not for a second be used as a reason to discount women. Men make "mistakes" all the time and often keep their careers and/or success. Women have not been given this kind of forgiveness. Maybe everyone should be held accountable for their actions, regardless of identity!!) After Theranos' collapse, she and Theranos were the "victims" of Sunny Balwani. He is absolutely not a good guy and has done an enormous amount of damage in his own right. I also don't doubt that he was abusive in many senses and am not at all discrediting Elizabeth's claims of his sexual and emotional violence (37 year-old guys who try to pick up or groom 18 year olds are not typically stellar men...). What I do struggle with and am disturbed by his her inability to take responsibility for the choices she made and the damage she did herself with Theranos. Again, she is capitalizing on the experiences of actual victims of manipulation to distance herself from the terrible, terrible things she did. Now, she's rebranding herself into a maternal and innocent brand of femininity. She's a mother and partner; she's too scared to watch horror movies on her own; she's an advocate for women in crisis. What allows her to shape shift in this way? The "palatability" of white feminism. She is able to shift from empowered, almost masculine entrepreneur to an innocent victim, to a feminine, sympathetic mother because of the flexibility of her whiteness. She has had a "boss" persona, a "victim" persona, and a "maternal" persona and gets support for all. She's basically consolidated all three to grab at any shred of sympathy she can get. I don't believe for a second that a woman of color would have been given anywhere near the same leeway and sympathy. I'm glad most people aren't falling for this shit. Sorry rant over, hahah...Thanks for making the video D'Angelo!! I'm so, so happy you're doing well and that we get to watch your videos again
She emulated masculine traits on her way up , her dress, her voice, even sitting like a man with one leg crossed on her knee…. and used every negative feminine trope to avoid accountability. I have no problem in calling her sexual abuse allegations bullshit and people should not be afraid to call it out as they see it, as that is what she is relying on, the shield of political correctness.
I agree with most of your comment. However, she hasn’t been successful with her ‘rebranding’ attempt yet, so you can’t really comment on the outcome. She’s definitely trying hard, I know that women in SV such as myself are NOT going to forget how she harmed all of us with her shameless frauding. Women here have to work 100 times harder than the incompetent man-children we have to put up with in the office. In SV you can be lazy but be white, have a penis as well as big narcissistic mouth, and you’re pretty much guaranteed to get ahead. Until they figure you out, you get your huge golden parachute payout as they fire you, and on to your next gig.
Imagine being on trial for such a huge crime and deciding it's fair to bring children into the world before you most likely to go prison for years. Trailer trash has more class.
Rebranding herself as "Liz" is like when you go from middle school to high school and you decide to start calling yourself "Topher" instead of "Christopher". But everyone is like, "STFU CHRISTOPHER WE STILL REMEMBER THAT TIME YOU PEED YOUR PANTS IN THE CAFETERIA"
I said yo my son that D'Angelo makes me smile just by being D'Angelo. And I love his well-researched deep-dives too. He agreed. This is bringing together generations as we sit and watch the videos together ❤️
Imagine how many unfairly and harshly sentenced women of color, or financially disadvantaged women, wouldn’t be in jail right now if they could play the “soft feminine mother” card
You would think with all their money and privilege Holmes and her partner would be able to hire a competent PR person, but instead of doing that this is what they chose to do. This is what they thought would work. It’s beyond astounding to me, because thinking this article or the answers they gave were ever going to paint Elizabeth “Liz” Holmes in any kind of positive light is beyond delusional. She comes across as far worse than she ever did before; like, how do you even do that? How did you not see that coming? Seriously, all I could think about was those who’ve committed a far lesser crime than Holmes but received a significantly longer sentence, were taken away from their children without anyone batting an eye, or you know all those people who are currently in jail/prisoner waiting for their trial. They haven’t even been found guilty, but they have to wait in prison, because they can’t afford bail, while Elizabeth was finding true love, partying, and making a family. But sure, tell me how Lizzie here is the real victim because she “girl-bossed” too close to the sun. Unbelievable. I mean it is believable, because rich people... but still, fucking unbelievable.
That her family is defending and excusing her actions says a lot about what shady behavior they must consider normal, and how normal it is to get away with it.
