BOJACK HORSEMAN - Princess Carolyn and Bojack Talk & Season Finale Dance 

Pretty sure PC loved herself the whole series, or at least since the half of it, but things just didn't work out for her the way she wanted

It works out for BJ as she wont be enabling him anymore. Neither will Diane. No enabling means he WILL CHANGE.

@@righthandstep5 Holy shit you're right

@@righthandstep5 Weirdly enough I kind of feel like they'll work together again because I remember she quit on him a few seasons before but then they started working together again

@@mikemorro140 maybe.

i think the real punch is the 'why' of Bojack, even he lost faith in himself

It hit me too. I loved that line.

I balled during this scene

Maybe cause thats how it is in life We always overlook the people that are always there cause we start to believe we are entitled to them

@@user-pi3hd2bt3f are kids entitled to parents? Because I think I feel entitled to the food and house my parents provide, but I’m not happy to see them because I do not like them as people, or at least their goals don’t align with mine, it’d be a lot easier to treat them as equals if a) they acted like real people, and b) they didn’t fucking treat me like a child and try to “win” my love because they’re desperate for validation from me, I think you’re right but I think people like my parents and I worry, people like me, end up thinking everyone should fill the role that their parents didn’t fill and still feel entitled to love because they didn’t get the love they they were entitled to.

What if it can be worth the trouble sometimes.

They said sometimes.

PC broke up with bojack and turned 40 in season 1 and Bojack turned 50 in season 1. If 25 years is true they started dating when PC was 15 and BJ was 25 which doesn't seem possible to me. 25 years I think was a huge exaggeration

@Gmoney 12 mha hart, mha soul...

@@shannenlibres2365 maybe she meant she loved him like she was a fan before they ever even met

At least not by the end of the show. Without it being awkwardly insincere. Which makes it even more remarkable.

To be fair they did have a romantic relationship at one point

Yaa like don draper and peggy olsen in.mad men

@Robo not everything is a statement of facts. The point is...they don’t end up together. They clearly have a past and feelings but they have both moved on. I have people in my past like that, that I have to let go of, but when we have reconnected the vibe is still there....this hits real

One of the biggest reason I liked elementary

and the fact that she breathes a sigh of relief at the end because he accepted it maturely and reacted so well. A little note of hope for both of them after she visibly struggled when it SEEMED like he was going to fall back to his old toxic attention-seeking tactics.

It’s such a great line. It establishes a boundary while still showing she genuinely does want bojack to do well.

He seemed accepting of it too. I love this scene a lot.

​@@FeministCatwomangives me hope one day that. While they can't be the same anymore, boundaries where stablish and maybe one day they can be friends again. One step at a time

I think PC actually did oblige with Bojack’s request, in her own way of course.

While I hadn't ever done anything as bad or been as broken as Bojack, I had my own extreme downward slope. This was years ago, and reflecting on it now after watching this clip, it's so surreal to even remember being like this. The anger, stress, toxicity, it all cakes on a person like layers of mud. Underneath is still you, but there's so much to dig out of. I'm really glad we got to see a cleaned up Bojack. Sure, this is all new to him and he has his doubts and anxieties, but I think this ending set up a Bojack we won't get to see but understand is on a path to healing. We're seeing a Bojack finally starting to realize how free he is from underneath those layers. Even though all of his friends are moving on in their lives and the spotlight is no longer on him, Bojack I think can move on in his own direction too.

He'll always have his insecurities, but now instead of dragging people down with him, he offers helpful advice that he's learned throughout the show. He's still pessimistic, but not self destructive. That is a huge step for him.

They dealt with the sudden ending so well, I’m so happy it ended the way it did!

I honestly thought they'd do something to Ruthie to make PC suffer more, but they did not. They let her be happy with Judah and Ruthie, she got what she wanted all her life.

Que A And she bloody well deserved it.

And mr peanutbutter?

@@jeremiejerome6743 MR PB finally AT LEAST learned his character flaw man.,........ it;'s HIM that is the problem lol. Man i miss this show.

@Simply bobajojoba Yeah, I agree. There are three endings to the show, and I think people get hung up on the one they want most. The first is the second to last episode of season 6a. It's the one with Bojack finally sober, and for the first time not burning any bridges. It's his happy ending, the one that shows that if he tries hard enough, he can get better. If we lived in the era before the metoo movement, the era where we fetishized redemption no matter what the person has done, this would be his end. The second is the View from Halfway Down. Bojack has lost everything, and it looks like he's going to lose even more. There is no forgiveness in the people he talks too, just as Hollyhock chose not to forgive him. We remember that these are just some of the people Bojack hurt, and hurt deeply, and that can never be forgotten. At the end of the day we are our actions, and our actions have consequences, and that was very nearly his end. If it was a morality tale, it would be his end. And then there's the third ending. In real life, people don't commit suicide because they deserve it, or because it's ordained from on high. Bojack did shitty things, and he has to live with those things. The public has short memory, so after jail he'll be able to chase his high if he really wants too, or he could stay sober. It's up to him. Just like it's up to his friends to decide on their friendship. Some can't help but love him, like PC or Todd, but know that they'll just be sucked back in if they get too close. Others, like Mr. Peanutbutter, want to support Bojack, and have Bojack support them. Not out of forgiveness, mind, but because it's healthy to have someone else in the house to come home to. And then there's Diane. She likes Bojack, she understands Bojack more than anyone, but knows if she leaves that bridge open it'll be unhealthy for the both of them. It's not his fault, not anymore than it was her fault, or really anyone's fault when you're codependent. But still, she closes the door. Because it's what's best for her, even as she loves him as a friend. The bridge was never burned, because at the end of the day she can look back and still love him, and he can look back and love her. But it won't be crossed anymore. If Bojack gets drunk again, then he can get sober again. If he's sober one day, he might lose that the next. The point for him isn't whether he deserves redemption or death, but to keep trying every day to be a better person for himself. It's up to his friends whether to stick around and risk getting burned, or to help him. Diane can't risk getting burned anymore, but she does give Bojack the best gift she could have given, what he's craved so much over the years, and what I think a lot of the audience craves. Closure.

Bojack didn't deserve a happy ending

In a way he didnt he faced consequences and went to jail, Diane will probably never see him again after the wedding, Hollyhock has completely cut him out of her life and Todd and princess carolyn have moved on from him but may still keep up a friendship.

Princess Carolyn did nothing wrong

@@EDALLSANT as i agree with you, you have to keep in mind that this show is very much about life. And usually, in business as in life, we never get what we deserve. In any case i dont see this as a happy ending for bojack, just an ending. He lost plenty for sure.

And the relieved sigh that PC gives in finally letting go of the toxic relationship with Bojack

milan kalita Yess, her vulnerability in these scenes and Bojack’s honesty was refreshing.

It's important for people to be vulnerable.

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@@mackielunkey2205 to hell with that. I say never be vulnerable in front of any-goddamn-body

@Doomer Guy right but some people hurt vulnerable people, so how do you know who’s toxic, Like with my parents I can’t be vulnerable and tell them any secrets or things I’m struggling with. Like what is it even mean to be vulnerable? Sorry these are kind of personal questions that I don’t want to answer myself, so no pressure

Haha lily grace that made me crack😂😂

Woo, 777th like! ....I dunno why I thought that was interesting.

Ayyy, Neutral Milk Hotel pfp

Thats not true... what about the countless victims of war and famine you don't think any of those people were good & kind-hearted?

@@Usef1371 yes barring a catastrophic calamity brought on by malicious warmongering demon people whose toll is wrought upon the innocent I would say its true

@@Usef1371 and this is related to bojack... how??

@@Usef1371 Your empty whataboutism accomplishes nothing, other than exposing yourself as a big ol' phony. For starters, none of that has anything to do with this show, or Princess Carolyn, or how a fictional character deserves happiness after we've seen her suffer and struggle for so many years. Nothing. Just because other people are suffering, does not invalidate PC or mean that anyone else isn't allowed to suffer, nor does it mean that they're any less deserving of relief from that suffering. Secondly, what have YOU ever done to help those war-torn civilians, hm? Here's you, safe at home in a country where you'll never have to worry about experiencing anything like what they're going through, living it up with your broadband internet, easy access to food and clean water, enjoying a cushy, high standard of living. You clearly are in a more privileged position and have plenty to give, so why haven't you? Tell me, what have you done to directly help those people escape their situation? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you've done absolutely nothing for them, because of course you haven't. You just use them as tools to keep yourself firmly atop your high horse, demanding that everyone ELSE is the bad guy for not fixing the problem. Maybe, just maybe, instead of exploiting other people's suffering to make your baseless moral arguments, you can put your money where your mouth is, and avoid looking like a big fat hypocrite.

You mean Hollywoob right?

Bro same!

We all need a PC in our life but whether we deserve her or not is the real question

its powerful, having the love of your life doesnt mean it will work out, or that youll be happy with them, just that you wont love someone like that again, but even in a more soft way, your next love can work out

Their relationship is so beautiful, and so profound. It's truly amazing to see two people love each other with such intensity, and to see them be able to adequately express that love with a simple dance and hug, no sexual implications at all. Brings 15 tears to my eyes.

Yeah but PC has fertility issues so she can’t conceive. But if Bojack and PC got married they may adopt a horse or a cat child or heavy maybe a dog child ( puppy would probably be confused for a pet)

I guess, but BoJack still has a long way to go. He's on the road to redemption, but he's far from achieving it. Had PC stayed with him, I don't think either of them would be happy. BoJack didn't change until he'd finally saw consequences for his terrible deeds. With PC constantly getting him out of trouble, why would he ever have any reason to change? He'd just keep on being toxic, keep on being unappreciative of the best woman he's ever had in his life, the one he didn't even realize was so important to him until he knew he'd lost her.

Their relationship was really realistic. And I can't believe I'm saying that to a fictional character which is also a horse and a pink cat. Wild.

I'm also reminded of Bojack's line to PC from S3. "I do love you, by the way. I mean, as much as I'm capable of loving anyone. Which is never enough. I'm sorry." In the end, what PC said to Bojack in that office was the other way around; SHE was the great love of his life. He's had lots of one-off flings, and some longer-lasting (presumably?) relationships with Wanda and Gina, and Sarah Lynn (but really it feels like they were only ever romantically interested in each other for like 2-3 episodes in S1. Yes, Bojack tells her he loves her at the end of S3, but he's also on a hell of a bender and Sarah Lynn is asleep/not paying attention anyway)... but Princess Carolyn stuck with him longer than anyone.

And always landing on your feet

@@cristinarivera7981 ASHAJSBDBJSNSAK that makes so much sense.

oh man this made me laugh

Piece of shit. Stupid piece of shit. You're a real stupid piece of shit. But I know I'm a piece of shit. That at least makes me better than all the pieces of shit that don't know they're pieces of shit. Or is it worse?

@@bastardjokemen8518 *Breakfast.*

tell me about it

you should totally watch!! it's such a beautiful show, one of my favorites of all time :) definitely an important viewing, especially if you're struggling

You absolutely should. It takes a few episodes to get going (not that the first episodes are bad, they just have a different feel to the rest of the show) but it's absolutely beautiful and genuinely the best show I've ever watched.

@Dark Demonik great, you just missed the entire point of the show. All those hours down the drain ouch.

@Dark Demonik stfu dumbass

@Dark Demonik a racist jerk

@Eagle Fang you really are an insufferable little ignoramus aren't you? I agree with Syed, you completely missed the point entirely.

@Eagle Fang you’re actually an idiot dude😂

It's ironic how in season 3 it's was the other way around. That's character growth. I do not mean that Bojack didn't, though. I think season 6 was the only season, not episode, where Bojack did indeed try to make a change for the better no matter how shallow it was. In a way at the end of season 6 he's almost where he started. In a "safe" place to get his shit together. But I do not mean it in a bad way. Life is about just starting over. It's hard but it's get easier. I think Bojack is really too messed up to make a "substantive" change or the change we want it as viewers. But he has to keep trying. That is all about.

I think he kinda deserves to be close to her. He toke resposebilyties and became actual a good person.

He faced the consequences of his actions and as much as I think of what he did was wrong he has come a long way and became better. Life goes on and people can change.

Sigh. You will. You always think you won't, but trust me, you will. The only reason you might not is because you waste your life so hung up on one person, one flawed, incompatible person, that you blind yourself to the possibilities ahead of you. If you were compatible, you'd still be together. Idolisation is unfair, not just to your ex, but to yourself. We're all just human.

You will never love two people the same. Every person you'll meet is different. Don't go into relationships expecting the same thing you had, but keep an open mind instead.

@@kallamarsspouse i think this is the most important thing i ever learned. love is unique. it is infinite. reframing the way you think about love is good. at the end of the day, my ex and i broke up. loving someone like that again will lead to the same heartbreak. i want to love every person in a new and special way, and exist in those relationships feeling their strangeness. feeling their unfamiliarity. there is joy in being new.

I agree on most points except for love being infinite. It's not. It's a choice. You choose to love someone. For some people, it can feel infinite but if that were true for everyone, people who disowned their kids or other friends or exes or family members when they used to love them wouldn't have been able to do so. Love is not just feelings.

Damn, that's actually extremely accurate. I've loved one guy for close to 17 years or so, and I'm not sure if it'll work out anymore, I still love him of course, but I feel like maybe we've just grown apart. However, I can't bring myself to feel strong emotions again without comparing them to him first...I hope it'll work out but shit, at this point I really don't know.

Dude that’s a great observation I didn’t even think of it like that

And in a way, she wants to help him without having to do it directly.

moobslikejagger me too, but at least they ended it in its prime instead of dragging it on like many other shows that started off good.

Should've been given 2 seasons instead of just 1 extended one. There's more than enough content for it to happen (todd's relationship with his mom and dad, gina and kelsey, building up the pc-judah romantic aspect of their relationship, explainig the angela arc better etc)

@@bryanleow5024 Yeah, who knows ? This was an ending that could be continued. While I don't know the situation behind the shows cancellation, based on the ending alone the show could still go on.

@Dark Demonik And be glad it's not also like Family Guy and Spongebob as those 2 shows are also like Weekend at Bernies (ever seen that comedy classic movie from 1989 that deals with making a dead corpse seem to act like it's still alive when it's not?) when you think about it like Simpsons. It's better to pull a King of the Hill, Futurama, Regular Show etc. where it's better to end than end like those 3 shows i mentioned. Zombie Simpsons, Zombie Guy and Zombie Spongebob are like dying old men who have been on life support for a very long time, you've come to accept they are gone and waiting for someone to finally pull the plug to end their suffering and misery and remember the good old days.

Honestly I think the creators were going for 8 seasons, and even if Netflix butchered the show, I think that even though theres a lot more it could have told, it couldn't have ended more perfectly as it did 👌

If by “meeting at a social event”, then yes, but there’s a lot of context that needs to be ignored for that to be true.

Close your eyes and listen, their voices even sound similar. Especially with Bojack and his dad sharing the same voice actor

Only unlike them they were much more sensible

Well we all saw him as a theater teacher in the the last season

I think that's the point, he mentions in the series finale, that even after his 14 months in the Super-max prison is up. He wants to go back and volunteer. So, that could be foreshadowing that he does become an acting teacher (which was his peak happiness) again, this time volunteering (at the place that was his rock bottom). There is a bit of cross-reference that sometimes you can find happiness in a place you never thought.

Contradicted yourself there but I agree, she's the best kind of friend one could possibly hope for.

I think it could also be said to that we all need to be a PC in someone's lives as well.

I wish I had a Princess Carolyn in my life 😢

Thinking there's an "if" to needing them 🤥

Life is unfair. There are so many times where a romance ends because life just got in the way. Princess Carolyn had a miscarriage, she was a total wreck, Ralph's family was still racist af against her, and at least in that moment, even looking at Ralph was nothing but a painful reminder of what PC had lost. There's a reason many relationships end after a miscarriage, it's just too painful for one or both partners to cope with. And that sucks, because they may have otherwise been so, so happy, but....you know, life. It just do be like that sometimes.

Yeah everyone loves the PC and Judah ending, and while I love Judah and I love the idea of PC being happy I don’t like the pairing. Besides their good working relationship why would they be a good couple? Ralph and Judah are the same, they both care about PC and tried to take care of her and give her what she wants. But Judah did that for her professional life and Ralph was doing it for her personal life… and seems like that’s why PC didn’t love him.

Don’t forget the loyalty Caroline always showed Bojack. And they say cats aren’t loyal

This show is gold

What if the guy is like this but he hides his intentions when he actually dates the girl

@@kevindary5991 everyone hides their intentions at first, you can't trust anyone easily nowadays. It's perfectly normal.

@@alexong2542 its just...the way she described him he seemed like the best guy to her, but I dont want her to get hurt if hes hiding any bad intentions

Can you explain that? I guess I've forgotten some details about the previous episodes.

@@markhawaiian1115 Bojack was PC's boss. PC fell in love with Bojack, but Bojack didn't return the feelings PC was Judah's boss. Judah fell in love with PC and PC returned the feelings. That's what I understand from it

@@TheGreatestSpy4life Pretty straight forward, yet I couldn't understand it. Oh well. Thank you for clarifying.

Mark Hawaiian also bojack wanted to to have closure saying that he could walk away from PC. Their last scene was PC having the ability to walk away from bojack

@@markhawaiian1115 I thought they meant that Judah got the ending that PC wanted with Bojack, and that PC got the ending Bojack wanted because she now loves herself and is happy. That is what Bojack has wanted the entire show - to be happy and love himself.

Kyle Campbell so you want a mother

33027day OOF

shes a cat

@@dad4436 He’s talking about her personality lol

@@dad4436 It's ok to like furry chicks as they are people who are different and what makes that no different than say an extraterrestrial chick or cyborg/android chick or magical creature chick or mutant chick? I mean it's ok to find Minerva Mink from Animaniacs, Julie Bruin (remember that sexy busty redhead bear woman) on Tiny toons, Lola Bunny, mutated Selina Kyle (Catwoman is lovely no matter how she looks) on that Batman TAS episode Tyger Tyger (remember that one?), Cheetah on Justice League, Felicia from Darkstalkers, Goldie Pheasant from Rock-a-Doodle, Rebecca Cunningham on Talespin, Peg from Goof Troop etc. hot. As there's a difference between them and say something like Nala from Lion King and Lady from Lady and the Tramp who are just plain ordinary feral animal creatures as those 2 are not sexy or hot but just plain ordinary feral creatures who aren't meant to be desirable..

You will...trust me.

Kelly She’s the character I always resonated with the most too.. If you’re strong headed like her I’m sure you’ll turn out just fine!!

Nope. In real life people rarely get happy endings. You are going to die cold and alone.

Kelly there aren’t any “happy” endings but there are happy moments. Just try to focus on the now.

Not Sans I believe there aren’t perfect or amazing endings to ones life, but there definitely can me comfortable endings. Bittersweet, obviously.

yeah, kinda. diane cut off bojack more than pc did. i think pc just wants to distance herself more from bj but not completely cut him off. they're still friends, but that's pretty much it. as for diane, i think she's better off without bojack in her life entirely.

I wouldn’t say Todd and PC cut him out ENTIRELY, per se (though Diane certainly did). Mr. PB clearly will still be friends with him. Todd has grown immensely since the series began and has learned to forgive BoJack, even offering him hopeful advice on the beach, and PC, while ending their manager-client relationship, loves BoJack too much to cut him out entirely.

@@ashyslashy22 Wow. It just hit me. The order in which Bojack interacts with all of them. It's a sliding scale. With himself and Mr. Peanutbutter, almost nothing has changed. Mr. Peanutbutter still frustrates Bojack with his constant chipper attitude, but Bojack has grown to appreciate him for what he is. And the two men have grown immensely over the course of the show, but it never affected their relationship with each other. Then it's Todd and Bojack. They have also both grown immensely, and their relationship has changed wildly, but Todd does ultimately forgive Bojack and support him now that he's actually improving as a person. Not to say Todd won't have limits, but he is setting them because he understands Bojack better than Bojack ever understood him. Third, it's PC and Bojack. She is clearly fond of him, but she is also clearly uncomfortable with his negative side, just look at how she reacts when he talks about going back into the film industry after prison. I don't think she'll continue to work with him, she won't represent him anymore, but she doesn't cut him out completely. Not yet, anyway. It's rather ambiguous what will happen to them. Finally, Diane. And it's clear that this is the end of the road for her and Bojack, in every sense. While PC may or may not be saying goodbye to Bojack, it's clear that Diane really is doing that. If Mr Peanutbutter is Bojack's shadow, or foil, then Diane is his kindred spirit. Bojack reaches out to her when he's dying because she understands him the best. They feed off each other's negativity in the second and fourth seasons, with Diane even telling him that he makes sense to her because he's a huge asshole, *and he takes that as a compliment*. It's clear that Diane sees their bond as toxic once she gets away from it and improves herself. Bojack hasn't fully reconciled that, since he's still trying to treat Diane the same way once he's out on the roof with her. From least different to most different. That's why the creators used that order. I never fully got it until now, and I love the show all the more for it.

Well, to different degrees. PC will always deeply care for him, but by saying "I can recommend some excellent people" she has firmly closed the door to ever working with him again, and damaging the happiness she has found with Judah and Ruthie. Todd has a business, an asexual relationship with Maude in a home they share, and he's willing to be friends with Bojack now that he sees Bojack is getting sober and ready to move forward. Diane is the one who appears to have closed all the doors in her relationship to Bojack, but I think she has to because of all the characters, that relationship was the most toxic of all. They cannot grow apartment if they remain in each others' orbit. And anyway, Diane is remarried and moving to Houston. The one who has left all the doors open is, of course, Mr. Peanutbutter, who offered Bojack a place to live when he gets out of the clink and gets back on his feet. I like to think Bojack gets out of prison, gets a great new agent, and is able to find stand up work in Las Vegas, back to his roots.

Ehhhh Diane was really the only one who completely severed ties.

What did Bojack take the fall for?

@@shivangparikh2933 So many things I can't explain it the list just goes on in the show. You might have to watch the entire seasons to know it. Dont worry it may be entertaining but also life lesson. Or you can go to watchmojo and go to top 10 worst thing bojack horseman has done.

You will

I wouldn't mind seeing a spinoff series of one of the characters and seeing how Bojack and PB's friendship has been going. Just so we can see that Bojack and PB.have grown so much from what they were before, particularly Bojack.

They really were the ones that hit you hard. The episode where PC tries her hardest to get him a job because he said he needs to hear good news at the end of the day, and then when she gives it to him he completely brushes her off was heartbreaking. I remember feeling so frustrated

Ex Lovers.

@@EnchantedSmellyWolf still, even after breaking up princess Carolyn stayed with him when he was at his lowest And even after all the shit he pulled she still stuck by him And they’re very close I want a friendship like that Someone that will stay by my side no matter what happens And still be close friends even after the worst of the worst It’s so sweet to see bojack and Carolyn like this Ex lovers can be friends too if they really wanted to

Nah I would not wish for this 💀 too much drama

Explanation: So often we end up trying to live up to our perceived notion of ourselves, that person we think that society thinks we are, that we tend to forget who we actually are along the way. We spend so much time trying to maintain that sense of societal normalcy, that perception of ourselves that we have, that we destroy ourselves trying to maintain it, instead of relaxing and genuinely being who we are. "I'm a piece of shit, so I guess I have to act like a piece of shit." "I'm a drunk, so I guess I should drink." "I'm a perfect model citizen, I HAVE to be a role model for those around me." We put so much pressure on ourselves to be this thing that we an society have told us that we are, we forget who we actually are. Relax. Just...exist. Don't try. When we say "be yourself," what we really mean is relax, and the true you will come out on its own.

@Gil Hannity yeah definetely the first season is the worst, and maybe mind blowing was an overtatement there, but in context with the rest of the the show its fucking awesome, and does an incredible job of setting up the show, in my opinion atleast haha